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Comparing Todd Haley and Herm Edwards in Their First Two Kansas City Chiefs Preseason Games


This is most certainly an exercise we'll undertake when the preseason is over and I think it's also a great conversation starter to have now on this Monday morning.

We're now two preseason games into Todd Haley's tenure as the eleventh coach in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs franchise. The tenth head coach of the Chiefs, Mr. Herm Edwards, pretty much ran this team into the ground before getting kicked out.

Will Haley do the same? I don't think so. And a quick comparison of just the first two preseason games the start of each coach's career in KC will show, even if it's just preseason, how much better of a coach Todd Haley is than Herm Edwards. Even if it's just an anecdotal feeling, it seems that back in 2006 the general feeling was that the team was on it's way down with Herm Edwards. And now in 2009, despite no wins in the preseason, a sense of optimism still prevails with Todd Haley at the helm.

Interestingly enough (or not), both head coaches opened up their careers in Kansas City with preseason losses to the Houston Texans.

Like I've been saying, the preseason is not a place to get absolute perspective on a player and comparing two different preseasons, on two different teams playing under different circumstances isn't comparing apples to apples.

But...I think you'll see in the comparison on the Herm side of signs of problems that threaded themselves throughout Herm's tenure.

After the jump, a look at Herm Edwards' and Todd Haley's first two preseason games as head coaches of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Herm Edwards (2006)
Todd Haley (2009)
Off. yards
283 605
Points 14 23
Touchdowns 2 2
Field Goals 0/0 3/3
Passing yards 137 392
Rushing yards 146 221
Passing plays 42 74
Rushing plays 42 62
Penalties 12 13
3rd Down % 29% 39%
Turnovers 2 5
Opp. Penalties 9 25
Yards allowed 634 640
Points allowed 41 33
TDs allowed 5 3
FGs allowed 2 4
Def. turnovers
1 0

Here are some of my obseravations:

  • You knew the offense was going to be more prolific under Haley, right? Me too but I had forgotten how inept Herm Edwards was at running an offense, preseason or regular season.
  • Haley's squad has run significantly more plays both running and passing than Herm. That means more drives and fewer drives squandered.
  • Part of the play increase is the increase of 3rd down conversion percentage, which killed Herm while he was the Chiefs coach.
  • The defense seems to be playing similar, which I haven't decided if that's a good thing yet or not.
  • One really interesting major difference between the two(and this may be random over two games) is penalties by the opponent. Haley has almost three times as many penalties going in his favor than Herm had. 

Check out the stats yourself.

Herm - Game 1 and Game 2

Haley - Game 1 and Game 2

Thoughts on the stat comparison? Is Haley already showing that he's that much better of a coach than Herm Edwards was?

Yeah, yeah he is. Through two preseason games you can see it! Man, Herm was a sad coach.

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