You're not kidding when you say full rebuilding mode if Allen leaves town.

Thanks for the heads up.

"It's a situation that works out best for both sides," Allen told FOXSports.com. "I can go to a team that is competing for a championship right now. The Chiefs can get valuable draft picks to rebuild with."

Adam Schefter of NFL Network just reported that the visit with the Vikings will be on Friday (tomorrow).  Then Tampa next week.

Herm and Carl can suck my b@lls if they trade Jared!

I've been seeing TV commercials of Allen promoting a draft day party at his new restaurant.

Wouldn't be surprised if the place goes under when he leaves.

We get a mid to late first rounder, hopefully, and some other bits and pieces. For a ProBowler.  I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Allen fan because of the repeat drinky-drinky-drivey-driveys, but still.

Jesus.

We may not win three games next year.

Again.

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/sports/rss/rumors/nfl/SIG=13jdotq5p/*http%3A//sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutd own_corner/post/For-some-reason-Chiefs-to-trade-Jared-Allen?urn=nfl,77367

on the type of free agents Herm said they would target, we have to trade one of the most popular players to get rookies to fill our FA screw up.

And we're supposed to rest easy in the draft skill of Carl (Herm's pretty good though, comparatively).

AWESOMENESS.

Sounds like perfect front office "strategery."  Let's piss of the fans some more.  

Why don't we trade Tony Gonzales and Brian Waters and Dwayne Bowe while we're at it?

problem?  What if Carl, in his (weird) wisdom, through in our first round pick with Jared for some ind of trade?  Don't ever rule out the possibility. Looking back in his years here, we traded our first pick how many times?

...if we're going to lose Jared Allen, I guess I'd rather we got a couple of picks in this year's draft for him rather than let him walk next year.  The bad thing is, though, that the Vikings' pick in the first round is high enough that the good o-linemen are projected to be gone by then and that also means we'll likely be spending our top pick on a defensive lineman who may not be anywhere near as good as Allen.

So full rebuilding mode starts with grabbing a bunch of roster scrubs, signing a mediocre 28-year old linebacker, and trading away a 26-year old All-Pro defensive end because CP doesn't want to pay market value.  It's now official...we're screwed.  Break out the pitchforks, torches and the gas-soaked King Carl effigies.

Why won't Jared Allen get another DUI and be suspended for a year?

I want to keep him. Let's get that straight.  But I understand the Chiefs viewpoint in getting all the value they can out of him now because he is just one more screw up away from being gone for a year.  

And why won't he screw up again?

Or is there something behind the scenes we don't know about?

Jared could have flat out said, "Trade me". We know he has a bad taste in his mouth from Carl Peterson's "negotiations".

Just throwing out another view.

It was always about the hair wasn't it!

...when I saw that it was Carl Peterson who proposed that stupid regulation I just knew that was going to come back and bite us somehow.  I hope the rest of the team grows mullets and dreads in protest if Jared Allen leaves.  What a brilliant move on CP's part...propose a regulation about chopping off hair in the same off-season that you're trying to negotiate a contract with a star player who's proud of how long he grew his hair.  King Carl has basically become the cheap, crabby old man of the NFL neighborhood, whining about how "disrespectful" all the young whippersnappers are these days.

Maybe next Carl Peterson can get into a public spat with Oprah to alienate Tony Gonzalez.  Or ban all rap music from the clubhouse to start LJ sulking (not that LJ needs an excuse).  Or call out Dwayne Bowe for not having a rookie season like Randy Moss.  That's what cheap, crabby old men do after all.

...you can't seriously evaluate a draft class until three or four years later.  Herm's only had two draft classes since he's been here, so let's see how many of those great picks actually turn into anything more than roster filler and bench players for a bad football team.

(I am really bitter right now, so I apologize)

1.  Get a freaking KICKER.  Your scheme depends on one!
2.  Keep your young, All-Pro, DE.  Your defensive scheme depends on one!
3.  Sign the FA OL you said met your criteria, instead of sitting on your hands thinking players will fall all over themselves to play in KC.  Your offensive run scheme depends on them!
4. FOLLOW YOUR OWN DAMN "PLAN!"  Your career and the franchise depend on it!

This is ridiculous.  Jared is exactly the player Herm said we needed to rebuild.  He is young, coming off his first contract, and is an elite player at his position.  OK, so Herm said he wanted to target a guy that was not starting but could who was young and coming off his first contract.  Herm's right, Jared is too good for his "plan" because he is not a 2nd stringer.

The "plan" also included drafting good players and KEEPING them.

So, the front office is violating the only 2 known tenants of their mysterious plan by trading Jared.  So, their not following their own plan.

OK, we, fans, will all just cover our eyes and accept your slings and arrows, and ignore your diverging from your own stated plan.  Thank you, may we have another?

Chris,

"I'm thinking Jared Allen doesn't want to be a Chief under any circumstance."

A year ago Lance Briggs swore he'd never sign another contract with the Chicago Bears.  This year he signed an extension.  Players can and do change their minds about their situation and sometimes the rhetoric is about nothing more than getting management to budge a little.

But with Peterson, it's always seemed to be about loyalty first...if you kiss his ass and speak nicely of his team (or if he's desperate and thinks you might help him squeak into the playoffs), he'll give you a big deal even if you're old and declining.  If you're ungrateful to the King and dare question his generosity and the wisdom of his team-building, he'll let you walk faster than you can say "John Tait".

primetime,

I beg to differ on Brigg's potential for suspension...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/08/27/lance-briggs-lamborghini-goes-fast-but-stops-at-red-lights /

And DThomas is right, if he was that much of a problem child I doubt anyone would be seriously considering him for a big deal considering Goodell's harsh approach to troublemakers.  This just reeks of cheapness/stubbornness on the part of King Carl.

and throwing out this hypothesis.  What if Carl and Herm told Allen to toss up this smokescreen?  I say this because I absolutely can't believe that the Chiefs would do this.  It would be like trading #58 away after his 40 something sacks over his first 3 seasons so we could get a shitload of draft picks.  Allen is almost as "face of the franchise" at least defensively, as Thomas was in the '90's.  Also, if it isn't a smokescreen, remember, Carl does have a boss.  If Clark doesn't want it to happen, it won't.

"John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Minnesota Vikings are considering offering their first-round pick and second-round pick in next year's NFL Draft to the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for DL Jared Allen, according to sources."

Check the top of the post.

day.  JA is just as much a part of the new Chiefs image as LJ and TG are.  This sucks!  The best player in '07 gets traded?  Doesn't make any sense.

"Meanwhile Minnesota is considering offering its first-round pick and a second-round pick in 2009"

So the Vikings and Bucs want to sign Jared Allen to make their team a championship contender this year and give us the draft picks next year (which, if it works out for them, would be in the high 20s or 30s) to build on?  If I were the Chiefs' GM it would take me about .00005 seconds to tell them to go screw themselves and not come back until they're serious.

If that's as good as their offer's going to get, I don't think there's any way that Peterson's going to be dumb enough to sign off on it.  And if they sign him without negotiating with us, we're getting two first-rounders (which works for me).

We did mention this possibility yesterday. It's tough to tell what rumors will come to fruition and what won't.

1. Jared's "one DUI away from a 16 game suspension" status is not an issue - any contract we (or any other team) offered to him would be set up to protect the team if that were to happen.
2. If this is a smokescreen, it's a goody.  If it's not, Carl isn't doing this alone.  A decision of this magnitude is going to require the input of Clark, Carl, Herm, and probably Gunther.  I am almost certain that Herm and Gunther would take the proven guy entering his 5th year over 2 or even three unproven guys in the next two drafts.  If this is legit, and the trade happens, it is because the powers that be truly think that we are so far away from competing that the team would benefit more from multiple younger guys.  Everybody blames Carl for only wanting to sell tickets - you think having the NFL sack leader would help that?

p.s.  my vote is elaborately concocted smokescreen.  to what end?  I don't know.

Just what is the record of the number of responses to a post?

Just had to see you guys laugh a little...

Any team with that much cap space and a core of talent comparable to Allen, D. Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Hali, (maybe Pollard and Page) and whoever we get with the 5 pick that can't rebuild to at least playoff status in two to three years is simply not trying.  Not with free agency and a salary cap that forces quality roster cuts every year.  No team in the NFL that isn't mired in salary cap hell (and the Chiefs aren't) or catastrophically plagued by injuries (which we haven't been) have any excuse for being non-competitive for more than two straight years, regardless how devoid of talent they are.  Any team that is non-competitive for longer than that simply hasn't got a clue on what they're doing...so I don't accept that the Chiefs are more than two years away from being competitive again unless we let Peterson wreck it for us by giving away those core players.

should have said "regardless how devoid of talent they are everywhere else".

That this is such an idiotic decision that it can't be true?

"unless we let Peterson wreck it for us by giving away those core players and whiffing on free agency like this year"

Sorry, long day.

a phone conversation a few minutes ago from Jared Allen to Carl.

"Carl did you see the response on ArrowheadPride.com?  Our idea is working! I'll cut my hair, I'll sign the contract at my restaurant the night after the Draft and we get our pick(s)in the first round"

"I should have charged you extra for my idea!"

"You deserve an Oscar for that performance Jared"

...apparently the Dolphins GM let slip that they may not be interested in drafting Jake Long at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3351721

Which, if it allows Jake Long to slip to us, would make a trade of Jared Allen an extremely stupid move if we're trying to rebuild.

I'm no sports agent and I don't know the complete logistics of NFL contract negotiations, but as an outsider this seems like it would be Allen's agent's move.

I mean Allen and the Chiefs appear to be in a deadlock, they franchised him, he's pissed, there's nothing he can do but go shop himself at other teams.  Why not?  If you're Carl you almost HAVE to let him go visit out of respect, not that I'm sure Carl could even stop it if he wanted to.  But if I'm hardline negotiating with our top prospect whose pissed about the deadlock in negotiations and we've franchise tagged him of course I let him go visit with some non-rival teams.

I'm not saying trading Allen or any of the possible deals coming out of this situation would not be MONUMENTALLY stupid, but with Herm "options/competition is good" this doesn't seem all that out of character.

I agree that this seems to stupid to be plausible, the suspension devaluation is moot in my mind, my main concern is what if somehow an amazing deal does pop up.  Are two 1st round picks worth trading Allen?  Are they thinking trade Allen for a pick and OL with the intention of replacing him with the 5 pick?  I can't imagine Gunther is kosher with that, but it could explain the Krumrie combine workouts.

Creepy.

Link.

Ryan Cook (RT) for Allen?  Cook will be a third year starter at Right Tackle if we get him and with Niswanger, Taylor, Waters and Cook, all we need is a LT and wahlah!
Instant improvement on the O line.

I keep seeing that If the trade goes down, the Chiefs would be compensated with two first round picks.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d807d1f6e&template=with-video&confirm=true

However if they agree to a first and third for example, would they then be eligible for a 1st round compensatory pick next year?

...meant that "additional compensatory picks are only for non-tagged players."  If Jared Allen wasn't franchised and someone else signed him we might get a compensation pick for him (but probably not a first-rounder).  As it currently stands  if Jared Allen signs with the Vikes and we've agreed to a 1st and 2nd rounder in 2008 or 2009, that's all we'll get because he is franchised.  If Allen signs with the Vikes and we haven't worked out an arrangement, we get the Vikes next two first-rounders automatically.

At least that's how I believe it works.

The Atlanta Falcons have offered Michael Vick and a 5th round pick in 2012. Carl is said to interested.

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I'm excited.

... but after getting over the shock of this news, I'm coming to terms with it and am finding some positives.

Let me give you an idea what I'm seeing/thinking:

Assuming the rumored trade goes down and we're drafting with #5 and #17 or #22

1) It's not bloody likely that Jake Long is going to make it to us.  We're too low to draft him and to grab someone on the O-line higher is a waste and an "overdraft".

So we go for the impact player who is still available and worth the #5 pick.  Likely that will be either Dorsey or Ellis.

Need I remind you that Turk McBride was drafted as a combo DT/DE?

He moves into the starting lineup as DE opposite Tamba and our new DT fills his spot opposite Tank- making Tank even better b/c #5 draft pick draws double teams for the first part of the season whether he deserves them or not.

Now with the later pick, we're able to shore up the O-line with someone capable, Otah, Clady, Albert, without overreaching in the Draft.

That's it.

It's actually pretty logical if you remove the emotion of losing JA and his passion for the game.

I'm upset that this is an option. Honestly.

But if it's out in the press and there are no staunch denials, it's because both parties want it.

JA isn't going to get what he feels he deserves from Carl.
Carl is ok with letting a "loose cannon" go for the opportunity to draft new players.

JA wants out and despite his performance CP wants him gone too.

It makes me think back to the TD play where he was inserted into the lineup with a little more skepticism... were both parties raising his value knowing that this was the path we're headed down?  Why was the most valuable defensive player on the field for a gimmick play? Didn't everyone see that play on SportsCenter?

Makes one think a little bit...

Conspiracy theory aside, they both want it to happen and I'm resigned to it happening.

Now I just want the best from it- and I hope that's a 1st and 3rd this year with a backup O-lineman thrown in for good measure.

Not too much to ask for a 6th round pick who worked his way to the Pro Bowl.

MV