Jared Allen's Days Numbered In K.C.

by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Apr 17, 2008 11:40 AM CDT Comment 111 comments

**UPDATE** #3: Here is the Chiefs' official statement. And let me remind you about the draft time BS factor that could be a part of all of this.

"We will confirm that we have been in conversation with a few teams regarding the possibility of acquiring Jared Allen’s contractual rights. Any potential agreement would be contingent on the Chiefs receiving appropriate compensation and Jared’s representative reaching a contract agreement.

"Jared is not an exclusive franchise player. Therefore, based on the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, he has the right to visit and negotiate with other teams. However, for any trade to be completed, the Chiefs would need to reach an agreement on compensation. At this point, all of these discussions are preliminary."

- Carl Peterson, President

**UPDATE #2**: Clayton again:

The Bucs have offered their first-round pick and a fifth-round pick next year, and their proposed deal could also include defensive lineman Jovan Haye, Smith reported.

Meanwhile Minnesota is considering offering its first-round pick and a second-round pick in 2009, while the Chiefs would prefer to deal for picks in this year's draft, sources told Smith.

**UPDATE**: From KFFL -- "John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Minnesota Vikings are considering offering their first-round pick and second-round pick in next year's NFL Draft to the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for DL Jared Allen, according to sources."

From the diaries. -Chris

According to FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer, Jared Allen won't be a Kansas City Chief for much longer.

Jared Allen's days with the Chiefs appear to be numbered.

Allen told FOXSports.com that the Vikings and Buccaneers have held trade talks with the Chiefs and he anticipates a deal will get done prior to next week's draft.

Allen said he had a visit set up with the Vikings this weekend in Minnesota and is tentatively scheduled to meet with Tampa Bay next week as well.

The Pro Bowl defensive end is the Chiefs' franchise player, but re-signing in Kansas City will be a problem as the team is looking to stockpile draft picks.

Allen said the two sticking points are working out terms of a deal with a new team and the Chiefs agreeing to compensation for a trade.

If they was any doubt about the Chiefs going into full re-building mode, this should put that to rest.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Wow

You're not kidding when you say full rebuilding mode if Allen leaves town.

Thanks for the heads up.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I've just gotta wonder

there is a lot of vagueness in this article.

"..re-signing in Kansas City will be a problem as the team is looking to stockpile draft picks."

"It's unclear at this point what it will take to get the deal done."

I think Glazer is just stirring up shit (at least I hope). Allen is being shopped and will ONLY be traded upon fair compensation. While I think Carl is difficult and unfair, he isn't a freakin idiot....

by dkugler838 on Apr 17, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHAT IF?

Jared signs an offer sheet, KC can match and if they don't they receive 2 1st rounders. Isn't that the way it works?

by dkugler838 on Apr 17, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

There is no way anyone is going to give two 1st round picks for Allen. What they are doing is trying to do a trade with terms that will be agreeable to both sides.

If they agree, they will do a formal trade for the agreed upon amount.

by DJ on Apr 17, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not just stirring up shit

As I wrote below, Adam Schefter of NFL Network says he is going to Minnesota tomorrow. This is real, or the most elaborate and dangerous smoke screen in history.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is the serious quote from the article

"It's a situation that works out best for both sides," Allen told FOXSports.com. "I can go to a team that is competing for a championship right now. The Chiefs can get valuable draft picks to rebuild with."

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

further proof that no one at 1 Arrowhead drive

has a foggy clue as to how to build a world's champion

by sm7600 on Apr 17, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It also means

That the Chiefs are so committed to a total rebuild, that even a 4th year player is too far gone.

This could work out well for the Chiefs...depending on what we get back in trade.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, I'm not so sanguine

so the best person on the defense, a 4 year pro at the peak of his skills, with at least 4 more to go barring injury, is going to be washed up by the time the team turns it around? Gee, all I hear is how it only takes a team 2 years to build a contender any more.

And lord knows Carl's been fleecing people left and right over the last three or four years.

Stupid, stupid, stupid

by sm7600 on Apr 17, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope

still have the proven vs. unproven debate. There is NO way anyone can predict that any of the players we could acquire via a trade of Allen would get 15.5 sacks next season, or in any season in their entire career.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

To be clear

I am not in favor of this happening. I'm with PVChiefsfan -- I don't want to go with the unproven over the proven. But, depending on the picks we get and how the draft works out, this could turn out to be decent for the Chiefs.

Yes, it sucks that Allen looks like he'll leave KC. Hopefully, we maximize our return.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Vikings

would likely give an arm and a leg for Allen, considering they had no one with more than 5 sacks last season. But Allen would demand two first rounders, right? If we get the Vikings pick in 2009, and they end up being great this season, wouldn't we feel dumb, since their 2009 1st rounder would almost be a second round pick?

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a conern I suppose

I'm also curious why Jared Allen thinks the Vikings or the Bucs are "competing for a championship"?

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Vikings

are a decent pass defense and less risky QB play away from resembling the Giants. If Tavaris Jackson can limit the INT's and they can get after the other team's QB, they could be a playoff team next year (assuming Adrian Peterson's rookie year wasn't a fluke).

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we are looking at this the wrong way

The Chiefs aren't trading Allen just to get picks.

That would make no sense since one of those picks, probably a first rounder, is going to be spent replacing him with someone that most likely will not be as high quality. Basically we would just be hoping to get someone close to Allens ability and then hopefully get a halfway decent player with the extra pick. Either or both of those picks could turn out to be busts.

They are trying to get something out of a player that apparently they cannot come to terms with and are going to lose anyway. In that situation, you take what you can get.

by DJ on Apr 17, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am so INSANELY pissed off right now!

Adam Schefter of NFL Network just reported that the visit with the Vikings will be on Friday (tomorrow). Then Tampa next week.

Herm and Carl can suck my b@lls if they trade Jared!

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

RE

I've been seeing TV commercials of Allen promoting a draft day party at his new restaurant.

Wouldn't be surprised if the place goes under when he leaves.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Goes under?

Shoot, I wouldn't be surprised if some pissed off fan burnt it down :)

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why are my ears burning?

j/k

I am not upset with Jared at all. I am furious that Carl would gladly trade Jared. Why is it so damn hard for us to pay fair market value to keep our best players?

They tried to trade LJ during negotiations last year too. And Carl let Donnie Edwards go instead of paying him. I am sick of us being so damn cheap!

Great, so we get more first rounders who we won't be able to get into camp on time because we have to play hard ball constantly, and then end up paying what we should have in the beginning.

I might burn Carl's house down (that is just a joke).

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edwards

Carl let Edwards go to SD on the advice of his coaches. CP actually wanted to keep Donnie - but I get what you're saying.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If this were to happen I would want OT Ryan Cook

along with picks 17(1st) 47(2nd) and 117(3rd) from the Vikings.

http://www.vikings.com/TeamPlayerProfile_ryan_cook.aspx

by Tom Bahali on Apr 17, 2008 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

pick 117 is a 4th sorry

by Tom Bahali on Apr 17, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tanking already

The Chiefs are just tanking before the season start in hopes of opening the '09 season in a remodeled stadium with Tebow running the show.

by Bill Grigsbys Cirrhosis on Apr 17, 2008 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We don't need another fullback.

Give me Stafford from Georgia instead.

by Tom Bahali on Apr 17, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So

We get a mid to late first rounder, hopefully, and some other bits and pieces. For a ProBowler. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Allen fan because of the repeat drinky-drinky-drivey-driveys, but still.

Jesus.

We may not win three games next year.

Not criticising Herm Edwards for anything since December '07.

by Ridiculous Matt on Apr 17, 2008 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

At least the Royals care about winning.

by Bill Grigsbys Cirrhosis on Apr 17, 2008 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I know. Are we in the Twilight Zone?

The Royals are winning and paying for players. The Chiefs are losing and are the farm team for the NFL.

My head hurts.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and are, in fact, doing so

their personnel moves seem like genius compared to their neighbor's moves over the last 18 months

by sm7600 on Apr 17, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You guys know

I'm not a bash Carl Peterson at all costs fan. But we will benefit from a fresh strategy and mentality in the front office when he leaves.

Not unlike the Royals...

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's gonna be a long two years

just sayin

by sm7600 on Apr 17, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now that was funny

I don't care who you are! I'm sure you didn't exactly mean it that way, but lets try to find some good out of this and stay positive. Nothing has happened yet. This possibly could be smoke signals.

As hard as it seems guys let's keep our chins up. Jared was a diamond in the rough 4 years ago, who says we won't find that again.

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's my problem

Anyone want to take a look on how many rookies end up as a guy like Allen?

Everytime I think it can't get worse...

Not criticising Herm Edwards for anything since December '07.

by Ridiculous Matt on Apr 17, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since we are more than likely trading Jared

what does everybody here realistically hope to get in return?

by Tom Bahali on Apr 17, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I would like a 1st and 2nd

But probably more like a 1st and 3rd.

The franchise tender on him now is 2 1st rd picks and no one has bitten so that's probably about as high as we could go.

by primetime 07 on Apr 17, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Vikings #17 pick and....

at least a second rounder.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he has to go (which he doesn't),

I would rather dangle him in front of the Falcons for their 3 2nd rounders, as stated in the WPI Chiefs mock recently. But since their new GM is from the Pats, he probably isn't that stupid.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They spent a ton of money at DE last year

by primetime 07 on Apr 17, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man Do I Love Us Being the Object Of Ridicule

Again.

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/sports/rss/rumors/nfl/SIG=13jdotq5p/*http%3A//sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutd own_corner/post/For-some-reason-Chiefs-to-trade-Jared-Allen?urn=nfl,77367

Not criticising Herm Edwards for anything since December '07.

by Ridiculous Matt on Apr 17, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Perfect opinion by that blog

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, instead of spending "beer money"

on the type of free agents Herm said they would target, we have to trade one of the most popular players to get rookies to fill our FA screw up.

And we're supposed to rest easy in the draft skill of Carl (Herm's pretty good though, comparatively).

AWESOMENESS.

Sounds like perfect front office "strategery." Let's piss of the fans some more.

Why don't we trade Tony Gonzales and Brian Waters and Dwayne Bowe while we're at it?

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

where does this end?

You keep your best and proven players and complement it through the draft.

The man who built his house on sand comes to mind!!!

by UKChief on Apr 17, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So is anyone else thinking there could be another

problem? What if Carl, in his (weird) wisdom, through in our first round pick with Jared for some ind of trade? Don't ever rule out the possibility. Looking back in his years here, we traded our first pick how many times?

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ind

Kind

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

interesting to think

about. But what could either the Vikings or Bucs have that we would want in exchange for Allen? The only guy I can think of is AP from Minnesota and no one in particular from TB....

by dkugler838 on Apr 17, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh well...

...if we're going to lose Jared Allen, I guess I'd rather we got a couple of picks in this year's draft for him rather than let him walk next year. The bad thing is, though, that the Vikings' pick in the first round is high enough that the good o-linemen are projected to be gone by then and that also means we'll likely be spending our top pick on a defensive lineman who may not be anywhere near as good as Allen.

So full rebuilding mode starts with grabbing a bunch of roster scrubs, signing a mediocre 28-year old linebacker, and trading away a 26-year old All-Pro defensive end because CP doesn't want to pay market value. It's now official...we're screwed. Break out the pitchforks, torches and the gas-soaked King Carl effigies.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You're right, at #17

who would we pick? The first round OT's will be gone by then and they value would be at CB. No DE of Allen's value is there.

If they take a CB, I will officially go insane. In our vaunted Cover 2, you don't need a top CB. You need elite DLs to pressure the QB, and functional CBs. YOU NEED JARED ALLEN in our scheme.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There could be a couple of

solid linemen at that point. I think USC's Sam Baker is undervalued right now and he's going in the late first round, early second.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He may be undervalued, but

he is not worth #17. And we still need to replace Jared. Does that mean we go Chris Long or Gholston at #5?

We have to pick a DE at some point now, assuming he is traded, so that is one pick that 1) Is wasted in order to replace what we lost and 2) Has to be a homerun. That's a lot to ask, and it's a lot of picks to get in compensation to make it worth it.

What about this scenario? We get Vikings 1st and 3rd. We end up packaging picks to move up to grab a self-inflicted need at DE.

So we lose a pick(s) to grab a "prospect" to replace Jared. In the end, we would lose one great player and gain one unknown player. No additional picks left. That is lose situation.

Add on top of that, we still have to pay the rookie. If he is a #5 pick (or we move up in the Top 5 to get him, we end up paying money not far off from what we should have paid Allen to stay.

Short of an insane compensation, I don't think it is worth it.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's be realistic

Why won't Jared Allen get another DUI and be suspended for a year?

I want to keep him. Let's get that straight. But I understand the Chiefs viewpoint in getting all the value they can out of him now because he is just one more screw up away from being gone for a year.

And why won't he screw up again?

by primetime 07 on Apr 17, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Is this as cut and dry as we're making it out to b

Or is there something behind the scenes we don't know about?

Jared could have flat out said, "Trade me". We know he has a bad taste in his mouth from Carl Peterson's "negotiations".

Just throwing out another view.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

if that's the case

then here's to Carl for once again souring a good player on staying here

by sm7600 on Apr 17, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Definitely

If that's the case, its all on CP.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sideburns

It was always about the hair wasn't it!

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Apr 17, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Hair, The Hair...

...when I saw that it was Carl Peterson who proposed that stupid regulation I just knew that was going to come back and bite us somehow. I hope the rest of the team grows mullets and dreads in protest if Jared Allen leaves. What a brilliant move on CP's part...propose a regulation about chopping off hair in the same off-season that you're trying to negotiate a contract with a star player who's proud of how long he grew his hair. King Carl has basically become the cheap, crabby old man of the NFL neighborhood, whining about how "disrespectful" all the young whippersnappers are these days.

Maybe next Carl Peterson can get into a public spat with Oprah to alienate Tony Gonzalez. Or ban all rap music from the clubhouse to start LJ sulking (not that LJ needs an excuse). Or call out Dwayne Bowe for not having a rookie season like Randy Moss. That's what cheap, crabby old men do after all.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

As for Herm's Drafting Skills....

...you can't seriously evaluate a draft class until three or four years later. Herm's only had two draft classes since he's been here, so let's see how many of those great picks actually turn into anything more than roster filler and bench players for a bad football team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Here's a thought for the front office:

(I am really bitter right now, so I apologize)

Get a freaking KICKER. Your scheme depends on one!
Keep your young, All-Pro, DE. Your defensive scheme depends on one!
Sign the FA OL you said met your criteria, instead of sitting on your hands thinking players will fall all over themselves to play in KC. Your offensive run scheme depends on them!
FOLLOW YOUR OWN DAMN "PLAN!" Your career and the franchise depend on it!

This is ridiculous. Jared is exactly the player Herm said we needed to rebuild. He is young, coming off his first contract, and is an elite player at his position. OK, so Herm said he wanted to target a guy that was not starting but could who was young and coming off his first contract. Herm's right, Jared is too good for his "plan" because he is not a 2nd stringer.

The "plan" also included drafting good players and KEEPING them.

So, the front office is violating the only 2 known tenants of their mysterious plan by trading Jared. So, their not following their own plan.

OK, we, fans, will all just cover our eyes and accept your slings and arrows, and ignore your diverging from your own stated plan. Thank you, may we have another?

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good points

which make me think there are other factors involved.

I'm thinking Jared Allen doesn't want to be a Chief under any circumstance.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe so,

and if it is so, there is only one person to blame for it. Just like the situation with John Tait. 100% Carl.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Players Change Their Minds

Chris,

"I'm thinking Jared Allen doesn't want to be a Chief under any circumstance."

A year ago Lance Briggs swore he'd never sign another contract with the Chicago Bears. This year he signed an extension. Players can and do change their minds about their situation and sometimes the rhetoric is about nothing more than getting management to budge a little.

But with Peterson, it's always seemed to be about loyalty first...if you kiss his ass and speak nicely of his team (or if he's desperate and thinks you might help him squeak into the playoffs), he'll give you a big deal even if you're old and declining. If you're ungrateful to the King and dare question his generosity and the wisdom of his team-building, he'll let you walk faster than you can say "John Tait".

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Allen > Briggs

DE > LB

Two different situations in my opinion. Allen's a threat to be suspended for a year.

by primetime 07 on Apr 17, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

primetime, he is a suspension threat, but

if that threat is so great, why would we expect to get great compensation for him?

We need 1 or 2 picks just to have chance to replace him with an unknown commodity. Not exactly a great trade, in my mind.

He isn't Pacman Jones or Chris Henry. I'm not saying his DUIs are meaningless, but he has proven he can refrain from driving a car while intoxicated (not that he won't ever do it again).

He has Herm and Gunther watching over him here. Besides, the front office already played that card last year when he wanted a new (and cheaper) contract.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He IS Pacman/Chris Henry

Or at least his situation is similar.

Where Pacman and Chris Henry are now, is where Jared will be with another legal incident.

With him being so close to being suspended again, why not trade him now when his value is guaranteed to be high?

This is no surprise from the Chiefs. We are a conservative franchise and this is a conservative, risk-free move.

He has 2 DUIs and we have no reason to believe he won't get another one.

by primetime 07 on Apr 17, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The there is no reason to expect

to get fair compensation for him? You can't use the argument both ways.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Should have read:

"Then there is no reason to expect to get fair compensation for him."

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Briggs Is No Choirboy

primetime,

I beg to differ on Brigg's potential for suspension...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/08/27/lance-briggs-lamborghini-goes-fast-but-stops-at-red-lights /

And DThomas is right, if he was that much of a problem child I doubt anyone would be seriously considering him for a big deal considering Goodell's harsh approach to troublemakers. This just reeks of cheapness/stubbornness on the part of King Carl.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Who knows him best?

The Chiefs do. And we're trying to trade him. I doubt any other teams have any insight into what his troubles are that we don't already know.

Briggs legal situation (at least as it pertains to the NFL) is very far removed from the severity of Allen's.

He actually did what was smart. He was probably drunk and left the scene of the accident. I would rather have a leaving the scene of an accident charge than a DUI.

Huge difference between the two incidents. Allen is one move away from a 1-year suspension as designated in the CBA. Briggs has nothing against him at this point.

by primetime 07 on Apr 17, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

Nothing personal, primetime, but are you saying it is better to flee the scene of a crime than realize you screwed up and accept your punishment.

Jared was wrong for driving, but he also did time in JAIL. Where is your moral compass?

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No moral compass in the NFL

From a professional (and legal) standpoint, is it better to flee the scene than suffer the public fall out from another alcohol related incident?

I wouldn't bring up morals in the NFL. It's not our position to be questioning the morals of players. We know very little about their personal lives. You know what I mean?

by primetime 07 on Apr 17, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But, it is a factor when

Roger Goodell is making a judgment call on a player's future based off his perception of the player's character/moral fiber.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I going out on a limb

and throwing out this hypothesis. What if Carl and Herm told Allen to toss up this smokescreen? I say this because I absolutely can't believe that the Chiefs would do this. It would be like trading #58 away after his 40 something sacks over his first 3 seasons so we could get a shitload of draft picks. Allen is almost as "face of the franchise" at least defensively, as Thomas was in the '90's. Also, if it isn't a smokescreen, remember, Carl does have a boss. If Clark doesn't want it to happen, it won't.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

New update

"John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Minnesota Vikings are considering offering their first-round pick and second-round pick in next year's NFL Draft to the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for DL Jared Allen, according to sources."

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Another update

Check the top of the post.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This is a sad

day. JA is just as much a part of the new Chiefs image as LJ and TG are. This sucks! The best player in '07 gets traded? Doesn't make any sense.

by Ilamuku on Apr 17, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

"Meanwhile Minnesota is considering offering its first-round pick and a second-round pick in 2009"

So the Vikings and Bucs want to sign Jared Allen to make their team a championship contender this year and give us the draft picks next year (which, if it works out for them, would be in the high 20s or 30s) to build on? If I were the Chiefs' GM it would take me about .00005 seconds to tell them to go screw themselves and not come back until they're serious.

If that's as good as their offer's going to get, I don't think there's any way that Peterson's going to be dumb enough to sign off on it. And if they sign him without negotiating with us, we're getting two first-rounders (which works for me).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Just to brag a bit

We did mention this possibility yesterday. It's tough to tell what rumors will come to fruition and what won't.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And to brag a bit myself,

In the comment immediately after yours, Chris, I said I would go completely ape shit.

And so I have. :)

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, it was DJ's comment.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Two things

Jared's "one DUI away from a 16 game suspension" status is not an issue - any contract we (or any other team) offered to him would be set up to protect the team if that were to happen.
If this is a smokescreen, it's a goody. If it's not, Carl isn't doing this alone. A decision of this magnitude is going to require the input of Clark, Carl, Herm, and probably Gunther. I am almost certain that Herm and Gunther would take the proven guy entering his 5th year over 2 or even three unproven guys in the next two drafts. If this is legit, and the trade happens, it is because the powers that be truly think that we are so far away from competing that the team would benefit more from multiple younger guys. Everybody blames Carl for only wanting to sell tickets - you think having the NFL sack leader would help that?

p.s. my vote is elaborately concocted smokescreen. to what end? I don't know.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

RE

"If this is legit, and the trade happens, it is because the powers that be truly think that we are so far away from competing that the team would benefit more from multiple younger guys."

Exactly. And if it is true that we are much further behind than we all realize, the rebuilding needs to take place sooner rather than later.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But how can we rebuild

with someone inferior in talent to replace Jared, while spending one or more of our coveted draft picks on him?

Jared is the age with which Herm want s to rebuild. If Jared was a FA, he would have been a target for us to acquire, not lose.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean

You're right. I really don't have an answer for that. I've been trying to play the Chiefs side on this one and it's difficult to do.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We appreciate your stance

And it fosters healthy debate. Thanks for your restraint/objectivity.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

"Jared is the age with which Herm wants to rebuild. If Jared was a FA, he would have been a target for us to acquire, not lose."

This is why I think it's a smokescreen. No way do the Chiefs preach to us about how they only want ascending free agents who are coming off their first contract, and then get rid of our ascending guy coming off his first contract.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So Chris

Just what is the record of the number of responses to a post?

Just had to see you guys laugh a little...

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh man

I think we've gone over a hundred in a non-gameday thread.

I can't remember which threads though...

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gameday threads

Typically run over 100.

by primetime 07 on Apr 17, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rebuilding Is A Two Or Three Year Deal

Any team with that much cap space and a core of talent comparable to Allen, D. Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Hali, (maybe Pollard and Page) and whoever we get with the 5 pick that can't rebuild to at least playoff status in two to three years is simply not trying. Not with free agency and a salary cap that forces quality roster cuts every year. No team in the NFL that isn't mired in salary cap hell (and the Chiefs aren't) or catastrophically plagued by injuries (which we haven't been) have any excuse for being non-competitive for more than two straight years, regardless how devoid of talent they are. Any team that is non-competitive for longer than that simply hasn't got a clue on what they're doing...so I don't accept that the Chiefs are more than two years away from being competitive again unless we let Peterson wreck it for us by giving away those core players.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Correction

should have said "regardless how devoid of talent they are everywhere else".

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Is it settling in on anyone else

That this is such an idiotic decision that it can't be true?

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I came to that conclusion

about an hour ago while discussing it with a coworker and then DTReigns comment above about FA clarified it in my mind.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is want I want to believe too, but

what if the Vikings and/or Tampa offer him money we know Carl won't pay. That is how we lost John Tait to the Bears.

Carl is playing a sick version of "The Most Dangerous Game," but he refuses to use the ammunition.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Correction 2

"unless we let Peterson wreck it for us by giving away those core players and whiffing on free agency like this year"

Sorry, long day.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

3:38pm CDT Carl Peterson's Secretary overheard

a phone conversation a few minutes ago from Jared Allen to Carl.

"Carl did you see the response on ArrowheadPride.com? Our idea is working! I'll cut my hair, I'll sign the contract at my restaurant the night after the Draft and we get our pick(s)in the first round"

"I should have charged you extra for my idea!"

"You deserve an Oscar for that performance Jared"

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

In Other News...

...apparently the Dolphins GM let slip that they may not be interested in drafting Jake Long at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3351721

Which, if it allows Jake Long to slip to us, would make a trade of Jared Allen an extremely stupid move if we're trying to rebuild.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Who said any of this was Carl's idea

I'm no sports agent and I don't know the complete logistics of NFL contract negotiations, but as an outsider this seems like it would be Allen's agent's move.

I mean Allen and the Chiefs appear to be in a deadlock, they franchised him, he's pissed, there's nothing he can do but go shop himself at other teams. Why not? If you're Carl you almost HAVE to let him go visit out of respect, not that I'm sure Carl could even stop it if he wanted to. But if I'm hardline negotiating with our top prospect whose pissed about the deadlock in negotiations and we've franchise tagged him of course I let him go visit with some non-rival teams.

I'm not saying trading Allen or any of the possible deals coming out of this situation would not be MONUMENTALLY stupid, but with Herm "options/competition is good" this doesn't seem all that out of character.

I agree that this seems to stupid to be plausible, the suspension devaluation is moot in my mind, my main concern is what if somehow an amazing deal does pop up. Are two 1st round picks worth trading Allen? Are they thinking trade Allen for a pick and OL with the intention of replacing him with the 5 pick? I can't imagine Gunther is kosher with that, but it could explain the Krumrie combine workouts.

Creepy.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 17, 2008 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Michael Bennet on Allen to the Bucs

Link.

"It would be unbelievable," Bennett said of Allen, who led the league in sacks with 15.5 last year. "You know, you've seen what the guy can do. He's a defensive end, he's a pass rusher and he can catch touchdowns. The motor that the guy has and the work ethic that he has day in and day out, I've never been around a guy who wants to get better each and every day like this guy, whether it is practice or working on his technique. He's a superior athlete and a guy I know would help our defensive line tremendously. He's a guy that is going to require a double team. If he can do that and take pressure off [defensive tackle] Jovan Haye and [DT] Chris Hovan, then that is going to open up [defensive ends] Gaines Adams, Kevin Carter and Patrick Chukwurah."

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Jared has

stated publicly that contract negotiations would be a lot easier and smoother if Carl were not here. There is bad blood there, on both sides. I have resigned myself to the conclusion that we are going to suck until Carl and Herm are gone. It may happen at the end of this season if we suck bad enough. Trading the Chiefs most productive player, young player at that is not going to make us better with a bunch of unproven rookies. Carl, Herm if this is true you both need help. The light may not be on upstairs.

by Eric on Apr 17, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Would you consider Vikes #1 and

Ryan Cook (RT) for Allen? Cook will be a third year starter at Right Tackle if we get him and with Niswanger, Taylor, Waters and Cook, all we need is a LT and wahlah!
Instant improvement on the O line.

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Tom Bahali mentioned Cook earlier

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heres an interesting question

I keep seeing that If the trade goes down, the Chiefs would be compensated with two first round picks.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d807d1f6e&template=with-video&confirm=true

However if they agree to a first and third for example, would they then be eligible for a 1st round compensatory pick next year?

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

1st round?

i didn't know they offered compensatory picks that high...that seems unfair

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 17, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am still unaware of how

it works altogether.

by Lanier63 on Apr 17, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the 2 first-rounders...

...only happen if the new team doesn't come to an agreement with the old team. Sort of a default compensation designed to keep franchise players with their teams. I think compensatory picks are only for non-tagged players.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry...

...meant that "additional compensatory picks are only for non-tagged players." If Jared Allen wasn't franchised and someone else signed him we might get a compensation pick for him (but probably not a first-rounder). As it currently stands if Jared Allen signs with the Vikes and we've agreed to a 1st and 2nd rounder in 2008 or 2009, that's all we'll get because he is franchised. If Allen signs with the Vikes and we haven't worked out an arrangement, we get the Vikes next two first-rounders automatically.

At least that's how I believe it works.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

New offer on the table

The Atlanta Falcons have offered Michael Vick and a 5th round pick in 2012. Carl is said to interested.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Apr 17, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I heard it was Vick and Bobby Petrino

by DThomasReigns on Apr 17, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In the new SB Nation platform

The comments will have an auto refresh feature and an "only show new comments" feature while nesting the read comments.

I'm excited.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

My point was

That it will make big threads like this much more manageable.

That is all.

by Chris on Apr 17, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe I'm crazy...

... but after getting over the shock of this news, I'm coming to terms with it and am finding some positives.

Let me give you an idea what I'm seeing/thinking:

Assuming the rumored trade goes down and we're drafting with #5 and #17 or #22

1) It's not bloody likely that Jake Long is going to make it to us. We're too low to draft him and to grab someone on the O-line higher is a waste and an "overdraft".

So we go for the impact player who is still available and worth the #5 pick. Likely that will be either Dorsey or Ellis.

Need I remind you that Turk McBride was drafted as a combo DT/DE?

He moves into the starting lineup as DE opposite Tamba and our new DT fills his spot opposite Tank- making Tank even better b/c #5 draft pick draws double teams for the first part of the season whether he deserves them or not.

Now with the later pick, we're able to shore up the O-line with someone capable, Otah, Clady, Albert, without overreaching in the Draft.

That's it.

It's actually pretty logical if you remove the emotion of losing JA and his passion for the game.

I'm upset that this is an option. Honestly.

But if it's out in the press and there are no staunch denials, it's because both parties want it.

JA isn't going to get what he feels he deserves from Carl.
Carl is ok with letting a "loose cannon" go for the opportunity to draft new players.

JA wants out and despite his performance CP wants him gone too.

It makes me think back to the TD play where he was inserted into the lineup with a little more skepticism... were both parties raising his value knowing that this was the path we're headed down? Why was the most valuable defensive player on the field for a gimmick play? Didn't everyone see that play on SportsCenter?

Makes one think a little bit...

Conspiracy theory aside, they both want it to happen and I'm resigned to it happening.

Now I just want the best from it- and I hope that's a 1st and 3rd this year with a backup O-lineman thrown in for good measure.

Not too much to ask for a 6th round pick who worked his way to the Pro Bowl.

by mikvogel on Apr 17, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He was a 4th round pick

I hope we get 3 picks this year out of him. If its a 1st, 3rd, and 4th then I think it will be a good trade for us. Then Baltimore becomes desperate and trades up to 5 for Ryan, giving us pick #8 and another 4th. Here is what that would give us:

(assuming it is the Vikings we trade Jared to)

1st Round #8,17
2nd Round #35
3rd Round #66,82
4th Round #105,106,117
5th Round #136,140
6th Round #170,187
7th Round #210.239

My predictions for the top 3 rounds:
#8-Branden Albert
#17-Jeff Otah
#35-Reggie Smith
#66-Jordy Nelson
#82-Mike Pollak

With these picks we completely rebuilt our O line, picked a nice DB, and Jordy will become a nice 2nd or 3 WR for years.

by Tom Bahali on Apr 17, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs