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Expectations for SB under Cassel/Orton

Matt-cassel_mediumI decided that I would give Cassel and Orton supporters some numbers for what would be required to expect a Super Bowl season with Cassel or Orton at the helm. I did some number crunching of the numbers SB QB's put up on avg all the way back to 2000 during the regular season (so that does mean Trent Dilfer's cruddy numbers factor in) and compare them to Cassel and Orton. Not suprisingly, our chances are not great. One thing to note here is that these do not include playoff stats. These are more of an indication of how the QBs will need to perform during the season to be likely to make the Super Bowl. via sportsandrec.files.wordpress.com

GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT FUM RAT
Avg SB QB 15.2 311.9 490.8 63.3 3773.6 7.7 26.3 12.5 5.8 93.7
Avg Cassel: 0.2 -25.2 -4.5 -4.4 -529.3 -1.0 -5.0 -1.1 -1.8 -9.5
Avg Orton: -0.5 -11.5 10.5 -3.5 -298.0 -0.7 -6.7 -1.5 -3.5 -9.0
Best Cassel: -0.2 -49.9 -40.8 -5.1 -657.6 -0.7 0.7 -5.5 -3.8 -0.6
Best Orton: 0.8 24.1 50.2 -1.2 28.4 -0.6 -5.3 -0.5 -2.8 -6.8

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Chief Concern


This is my first fanpost on here, I figured I would give it a try. I have a scenario for how the Chiefs can handle the pending free agency of Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr.

I've been saying for weeks that the Chiefs should franchise tag Bowe and sign Carr long-term. As free agency nears, it looks like that is less likely to happen because Brandon Carr is regarded as the top CB in this year's free agent class. So keeping him will be harder than keeping Bowe.

So I change my stance:

Re-sign Dwayne Bowe long-term and then put the non-exclusive franchise tag on Brandon Carr which will be around $10.6 mil. And here's why: The Chiefs need both of these players and can't afford to let either of these 2 players to walk. It will be harder to find a WR to replace Bowe than a CB to replace Carr (Stanford Routt visited the team and the Chiefs have showed interest).

What this does:

It locks up Dwayne Bowe long-term which is a win-win for both sides. Then with Carr it gives the team flexibilty. With the non-exclusive franchise tag it gives the Chiefs more time to negotiate long-term or see what another team will do. The non-exclusive tag gives Carr the opportunity to talk and negotiate with other teams. If another team makes an offer the Chiefs can either match the offer and sign Carr to that deal or decline to match. If the Chiefs don't match the offer then they lose Carr but, receive (2) 1st round picks in return for Carr. If that happens then the Chiefs should sign Stanford Routt who is a decent number 2 CB. That way the Chiefs have a plan B plus a 1st round pick in this years draft and next years draft.

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Trade Scenario with DT Glenn Dorsey

With all the talk and discussions going on, I had one that works for us and the Carolina Panthers. The team is now coached by Ron Rivera, an old Defensive Coordinator from San Diego who is pretty familiar with Glenn Dorsey. The Panthers really need a big time run stuffing DT for the defense, which is a 4-3, and most agree that Dorsey would flourish in the 4-3. Personally, when I see folks talking trade with Dorsey's name involved, it seems to me the trade value is really low for him.

As a former top 5 pick and starter since drafted, Glenn has plenty of value. A recent poster, MN I believe, showed him to be the #2 overall against the run while playing out of his comfort zone as an inside DT. With a really high first round pick in this upcoming draft and maybe not interested in bringing a young guy who takes a couple of years to become a top pro, Ron maybe would be involved with a trade for Glenn. Yes, a couple of maybes in this scenario, but Dorsey is worth a first round draft pick and most of his contract dollars have already been paid by the Chief's. Sure we might have to sweeten the deal some, but I expect Dorsey to leave next year in FA anyway, so trade him while we can.

There are 2 players worth trading up for not named RG3, as in the top prospects at OT and CB. I think Carr is done here, chasing those big dollars in FA so we could find ourselves in need for another CB, so why not the best one in this years draft? Claiborne is a young stud and his first round dollars would certainly be less than paying top FA money. The other is Kalil, who has been touted as the best OT in some time. He was better at USC than the OT that Dallas took last year from USC who played very well as a rookie.

FA could very well dictate our needs in this draft, and replacing Carr, should he leave, is something that needs to be considered. I believe Bowe is gone as well and was already planned for with the Baldwin pick. Pioli keeps us guessing in the drafts, thank God, otherwise it would not be as much fun as this endless speculation of what he is going to do. If you remember last year about this time, Scotty addressed the idea of drafting to replace players who might leave in the future. One thing for sure is that players move on. Some retire or get cut, others chase the dollars in FA, and some get traded. As ever, I bleed red, Go Chief's!!

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Kansas City=Elite Defense?

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What are a few words you would use to describe this season? Because I have a few.

Unfortunate. The first few weeks of the season, everyone would agree with this. Three of our star players went down with season-ending injuries, and we got destroyed in our first 3 games. Honestly, it was depressing and we were all looking forward to Luck. But Kansas City was not done yet.

Hopeful. After the shitty start to the season, we won 4 straight. Including a glorious comeback versus Indy, a blowout in Oakland, and a miracle in San Diego. But after a few bad losses against Miami, Denver, and New England. But we are not afraid! After a bad loss to Pittsburgh (the one that got away, but Palko threw it away) and a bad loss to New York (just a bad game overall), we dominated Chicago with a suffocating defense. But still, none of us would have truly believed that we would've been the team to shut down Green Bay. But we were. This gave us all hope to make the playoffs. But a heart-breaking loss against Oakland shattered it. Buffalo and Detroit held up their ends, we just couldn't follow through.

Adaption/Transformation. Last year, we were a solely offensive team. The offense was dominating, but defense was pretty weak aside from a certain few. This year with almost all of the offensive players that really produced on IR, the Chiefs were either going to adapt or give up all hope and Suck for Luck. So, after the offense couldn't get on the board after Matt went down (C'mon Cassel haters, admit it. Cassel is 50x better than Palko, at least he could get in the endzone) and the Tyler Palko era started, the defense stepped their game up. After the New England game (aside from the Jets), the defense became arguably the best in the league. But despite the incredible defensive performances, it never occurred to me that we became a defensive team until the second Oakland game. During pregame, the commentator (I forget who it was) said "Kansas City is a shut-down defensive team, a hard-hitting, physical team. The kind of team Oakland really has problems with." And it then occurred to me, "Yeah, we really are!"

I remember going to Silver and Black Pride right after the game to congratulate them, and they said many times that they couldn't establish a ground game because our defense was being too physical. That, was entirely true.

That's also how we brutalized Green Bay. Green Bay is a finesse team that likes to go around the real aspects of football and cheat by running real fast and catching balls. They weren't expecting Kansas City to go out there and really bully them. The defensive backs were harassing the receivers to a point that they didn't want to even catch the ball because they knew as soon as they grabbed it they would be drilled. And the front seven was being way too smart and aggressive for Rodgers to get any time in the pocket or for them to establish any sort of running game.

But are a few good games at the end of the season truly enough to make us elite? After Berry (who was arguably our best defender) was lost, I feel like our defense was straight-up demoralized. But then came the emergence of Derrick Johnson (who could be called the best linebacker in the league besides Patrick Willis) Justin Houston, Tyson Jackson, Brandon Carr and Kendrick Lewis. When they all came together along with former greats like Hali and Flowers, it was a thing of beauty. So I think if we can carry on that defensive swagger onto next year, we will easily be a force to be reckoned with (and we'll need it facing the AFC North next year). So, without further ado, BREAKDOWN TIME!

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NT: Kelly Gregg was a pretty good player this year. Nothing extraordinary, but he got the job done in run support up the gut and and even got a sack. But he's an old veteran and will most assuredly be retiring this year or he'll just be dropped in favor of a younger guy... like Paul Soliai. A massive, 6'4 360 pound NT who was a Pro Bowl alternate and will most probably be a free agent this year. Powe will be entering his second year with no playing time, and could use a guy to help him out and learn from (obviously his second job behind goalline fullback). If we can get Soliai or Powe can step his game up, I give NT a THUMBS UP.

DE: This is the thing the Oakland fans kept bringing up. They kept talking about how Dorsey and Jackson were out-doing the guards of Oakland with just pure physicality. That is quite the accomplishment, because you don't get much more physical than Oakland, anywhere really but especially up front. And really, they weren't far off. T-Jax, as fat and lazy and terrible at getting sacks as he may be(all hail Skitzo), he is a great run-stuffer and very strong. He oftentimes commands double-teams, leaving Houston wide open for the tackle. Dorsey is a bit more finesse and not so barbaric in his game, but his run-coverage is very good for a 3-4 defensive end. Right now, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to getting a big and still very athletic defensive end/tackle like Shaun Rogers who is an older, All-Pro guy with still some great ability and can help develope Powe/Dorsey/Bailey. THUMBS UP.

OLB: All the best 3-4 teams have a dynamic pass-rushing combo off the edge. Steelers have Harrison and Woodley, Baltimore has Suggs and Johnson, Cowboys have Ware and Spencer. We have that already, for the most part. Hali is a certified animal as anyone in Kansas City will tell you that he's arguably a top 3 pass-rusher in the league, and when RAC finally decided to let Houston go to work and blitz the QB he actually got some sacks and a lot of pressure. Also, he's arguably better than Hali at run support. Any offense will tell you, running at T-Jax and Houston is a LOT harder than running at Dorsey and Hali. THUMBS UP.

ILB: I always wanted, through all the years for Kansas City to get an elite linebacker just because I'm a just an old school (or just very sadistic) football guy who likes to see big hits and overall carnage. DJ always had the potential through all the years, and it was noticeable. I remember watching a lot of times when he would time the snap count perfectly, jump right through an open gap and due to his lack of maturity forget to break down and miss the tackle completely. However, disruption has always been DJ's thing, and just screwing the play up hardcore can really be almost as valuable as the actual tackle.

But, just like the rest of the defense Derrick finally lived up to expectations and became the linebacker that we were all expecting since he came out of college. Whether it was his 2 interceptions, his devastating hits, his perfect form tackles, his 4 straight stops on the 1 yard line versus Oakland Week 7, his 3 (I believe) forced fumbles (what a thing of beauty, I might add. The ball carrier thinks DJ is attempting a weak arm tackle, but little does he really know Derrick is cocking back his other hand to knock the unprotected ball loose) or his uncanny and very unique ability to dive under a blocker and take out the ball carrier behind him, Derrick won all of our hearts. He's been irreplaceable this season.

But the other half of the ILB equation was little Jovan Belcher, who I personally consider underrated. Maybe it's just the neckroll (I'll be honest, neckrolls are badass. Any player who wears a neckroll automatically becomes 10x cooler. I began to notice Alstott as a child merely because of his neckroll), but I think Belcher is a fine starter. He may be just 230 pounds, but he plays like a giant. His coverage skills are lacking, but his form and ferocity at the point of attack in the run game are second to none. I first really saw him explode during the Chicago game (a good game for all of our linebackers) when he had a seemingly unimpressive 7 tackles but really he was all around the ball. One particular play in general stuck out to me. Marion Barber had a seemingly huge hole in the 4th quarter and Chicago fans saw it and started hollering and cheering and all that nonsense, but in a heartbeat Jovan was there with a helmet planted in Barber's chestplate. Despite Barber's attempts to stay upright (and you know how Barber is, he's not going down easy. Especially to a shrimp like Belcher), Belcher just lifted him off his feet and into the turf, and Soldier Field got dead quiet. Many have called for Belcher to be replaced (by Kuchely, Burfict, Hightower, or D'Qwell Jackson. Couldn't disagree with Jackson, however), and I think that's malarkey, he's just fine. THUMBS UP.

CB: Not much bad to say here. Flowers, Carr and even Arenas are all fine cover/elite guys and good tacklers. I mean, we have arguably the best CB core in the league. THUMBS UP.

S: Aside from depth, we got this pretty much covered. Kendrick has had a very good season, he's a great cover guy with a few INT's and his own forced fumble on Tebow. He'll be FS next year and of course our big hitting safety Eric Berry will be back at SS. Jon McGraw's ok, but otherwise we need some viable backups. For the most part, THUMBS UP.


So, the ongoing question.

Do we have before us an elite defense? I can't help but say yes (not like I'm biased or anything). I mean, take a look.

Run up the gut... DJ, Belcher, Jackson, Dorsey/Rogers/Bailey and Soliai/Powe think that's a cute attempt.

Run to the outside... Dorsey and T-Jax are taking up blockers while Hali, Houston, DJ and Belcher are all over your RB and making the tackle.

Pass over the middle... I'm sorry for the season-ending hit Berry or Johnson will dish out to your receiver.

Short pass... Flowers, Carr, Berry and Lewis are already on top of the ball carrier.

Going deep... Hali and Houston are putting pressure on your QB while you can only hope to lob it up, and get picked off or swatted down.

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Triplettes

Ha, The Kansas City Chiefs attacking vertically. We all know why we have issues attacking Defenses deep.
So, the Horizontal attack with our ZBS Rushing attack and then maybe a little plunging fire from the Mortar battallion? Tight-ends are the New Passing attack.

Why Not, Lets get the opponent sliding left and right with a solid Front on the offensive Line and unleash the Three Horseman of Arrowhead.

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2 LaMichael James RBC Oregon
3 Orson Charles TE Georgia
4 Mitchell Schwartz OT Cal
5 Matt McCants OT UAB
6 Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
7 Janzen Jackson FS McNeese State

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Geaux Chiefs

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What Stanford Routt-Chiefs Visit Means

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Former Raiders Cornerback Stanford Routt, who was released a few days ago, Visited with the Chiefs today. He is an above average CB, and started with the Raiders the past 2 years. He racked up 4 interceptions, and 49 tackles, and he is 28 years old, 3 years older than Brandon Carr, who is also going to be a free agent, if not re-signed. Many of you may think that this means that Brandon Carr may not be back in 2012, but I'm going to give my 2 cents on what I think about this little visit the Chiefs and Routt had.

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What if.........



Ok so we all know that the o-line is the biggest weakness of the team and should be adressed early and often in the draft. Thats all fine and dandy but what are we going to do about d-line and middle linebacker? Thinking this over for some time now i think i have found the best plan (at least that i can think of) for the Chiefs off-season. Obviously we HAVE to resign Bowe AND Carr first and foremost................

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Reviewing AP's Predictions For The Chiefs 2011 Season

From the FanPosts. Awesome compilation of our awful predictions. -Joel

We all say them. Things like, "Mark my words," or "I 100% guarantee," or, "and you can quote me on that!" But how often does anybody ever actually mark our words, or actually quote us on that? Last summer I decided that, going into the season, it would be fun to do just that.

So, from the end of the lockout into the beginning of the regular season, I jotted down some of the bolder predictions I saw APers make and saved them to a file on my hard drive. I figured it would be fun to look back at them after the season was over and see whose predictions were awful, whose were spot-on, and whose still needed more time before we could judge them. But since I'm a horrible procrastinator, I'm doing it halfway through February instead of at the beginning of January like I had initially planned. Please don't judge me.

So, without further adieu, your predictions for the Kansas City Chiefs 2011-2012 season.

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Whats Your Opinion ?

Kansas City Chiefs

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Former Players


Saw the story on the front page and it got me thinkin about what all other former Chiefs players are in the AFL and UFL....... Here is a list i have come up with if you know of any others let me know and ill add them in!! Hope you enjoy!!!

Eddie Drummond

Samie Parker

Herb Taylor

Kris Griffin

Will Poole

Pierre Walters

Matt Gutierrez

Omar Jacobs

Chandler Williams

Rashad Barksdale

Bobby Sippio

Verran Tucker

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