Playing DabollBall, and a look back at past head coaches
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What are we, as a team?
That answer has changed approximately times since 1989. Let's review.
The Schottenheimer Era. Marty built this team from the ground up. The Chiefs of the late 70's and 80's were very sad. We didn't have a lot of quality players and Marty had to develop basically everyone, and he did a damn good job at it. He assembled a powerful and physical offensive line that fit his style of offense perfectly, molded one of the greatest physical specimans ever into an actual football player (Christian Okoye), assembled a respectable defense and also gathered a rag-tag crew of leftover QB's that were actually kind of able to succeed in our system. He maintained a playoff team through all the years, but just had some sort of mental block in the playoffs. So...
The Cunningham Era. Playoffs on our mind, we entered the 1999 season with high hopes for our new head coach. Coming in as a defensive coordinator, Kansas City became a largely defensive team but still maintained the physical style of offense reminiscent of Marty. Despite a fairly good defense and fair offense, Gunther failed to make the playoffs in his two seasons. Onto...
The Vermeil Era. When it all came down to it, Vermeil piloted probably our best teams not including the 69 Chiefs. He brought in and developed a bunch of late-round/undrafted misfits into probably the best assembly of blockers in league history to pave the way for other castoffs Priest Holmes and Trent Green to light up defenses. One of the best offensive lines in football history up front, future Hall of Famer Tony Richardson lead blocking, and giant Jason Dunn and ever-evolving blocker Tony Gonzalez manning the tight end positions. While Priest was a good player, I think anyone could've gained 1,000 yards behind that line. Along with Green's superb passing and a fairly respectable core of receivers, the Chiefs offense of that era was arguably one of the greatest ever. If it wasn't for KC having a defense ranked anywhere from 25th to 32nd in those years, I'm sure that team would've won a Super Bowl sometime. But Dick retired, leading to...
The Edwards Era. This was an ugly couple of years. Sure, we made the playoffs in 2006, but that was entirely because of Larry Johnson and the running game. When LJ got pissed for forcing him to take 450 carries in a season, which is seriously endangering his health, he got all mad and refused to do well anymore, and it didn't help that almost every good lineman we had ditched us. So we were faced with a defense that couldn't stop molasses, an offense that couldn't get on the board, and some draft picks that have more or less failed to live up to expectations. This Era couldn't last, so...
The Haley Era. What to think of Todd Haley... Well, what I can say is that when he's got the talent available to him he can make the most out of them (on offense, anyway). But his temper got the best of him and a lot of what seemed like personal grudges really hurt us. He had a shitty first season, made the playoffs in 2010 and got fired in 2011. After he dropped Jared Gaither for one stupid false start (Gaither then went on to play at a Pro Bowl level in San Diego when he actually got a chance to play), I got really pissed but didn't give up on Haley. What really sealed the deal for me was his refusal to play anyone but Palko. Sure, Tyler was a veteran QB that knew the plays. But he failed to realize, PALKO IS ABSOLUTE SHIT. He is possibly the worst QB I have ever seen start a game. I didn't care if Stanzi sucked in practice, didn't know the playbook, or wasn't ready. He shoud've been in during the Pittsburgh game after Palko turned over the ball 4 CONSECUTIVE TIMES. After the Palko era, I was ready to let go of Haley. Which brings us to...
The Crennel Era. It's now or never. We have the pieces (for the most, we may need a draft or two) to finally become a truly elite team on both sides of the ball. The defense, built by Romeo, is arguably elite. But for this team to finally win a damn playoff game FOR ONCE IN 16 YEARS, the offense will have to do something with the pieces they have. That's where Daboll comes in.
Observations of former offenses led by Brian Daboll.
This category is... depressing to say the least. 2010 he was with Cleveland, who racked up a grand total 4,635 yards, which was 29th in the league. Not impressive to say the least. Granted he didn't exactly have an arsenal of great offensive weapons, but that's still pretty sad.
The 2011 Dolphins offense was better. They ranked up 5,078 yards, which was 22nd in the league. Not great, but not necessarily pathetic. He had this reasonably good offense because he maintained balance in the offense by having a very effective running game, ranked 11th in the league.
What will he really do to us?
This is the biggest question mark for me. We have, when healthy, a very effective offense. A good yet very streaky offensive line that needs a little help, a very nice receiving core, and some amazing RB's (another in free agency or draft for depth couldn't hurt, however). Sure, we have fairly mediocre to good QB's in Cassel or Orton, but it's not like he's not used to that. He did work with Colt McCoy and Matt Moore, you know. So he's finally got a good group of talent, and it's up to him to do something with it. He's used to working with big receivers like Bowe and Baldwin and will hopefully help bring Jon up to his ceiling. He's also got a soft spot for fullbacks and utilizes them a lot in his offense, so I really hope he sees Le'Ron's potential and does something with it. I saw McClain being utilized a lot more during the end of the season, and I really liked what I saw.
What will he do to our blocking scheme?
This is another big question. He used a man-blocking scheme, I-Form in Cleveland that powered Peyton Hillis to 1,122 yards rushing. He used an even bigger line in Miami that was the second heaviest in the league behind only Cincinnati's, and that actually worked for little, fast and elusive Reggie Bush (that basically does away with the myth that small RB's can only do good behind small, fast lines). It'll be quite the shell shock for him to go from the giants up front in Miami to the shrimps we call O-linemen here. Hopefully he adds some much needed physicality and beef up front, as I blame our weakness at the line for our pathetic red zone percentage.
Finally, on a little more off-topic note, what are some free agents he's associated with?
Not even necessarily offensive free agents, either. He was a defensive coach with the Pats, so he can appreciate a good defensive player when he watches one play every single day against HIS offense. He has played with and could potentially put in an opinion for...
Lex Hillard
And most notably and the free agent I find the most interesting given our circumstances, Peyton Hillis. Daboll was the guy who really helped him out, gave him a shot. He built an offense that knew how to work with Hillis, and surprise! When Daboll leaves Hillis sucks ass. If Peyton comes to Hillis comes to KC, he might be able to revive 2010 Peyton Hillis and how bad ass would it be to have 2010 Peyton Hillis and Jamaal Charles sharing the same backfield?
Thoughts?
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Good read, except I have one disagreement
The Chiefs are not an effective offense at all even when everyone is healthy because of Cassel. I believe Orton and Cassel are completely different level of skill because Cassel is terrible at literally every aspect of QB play but toughness while Orton does some things right, but can’t finish off drives.
Orton is much more accurate than Cassel, has more pocket awareness than Cassel, can convert on third downs, has significantly more long pass plays, and reads the defense much better than Cassel.
Orton is prone to turnovers like Cassel, can’t finish off drives like Cassel, and hasn’t shown to be a big stage performer like Cassel.
No more Cassel… Orton is a few steps better and that difference can be huge next season if Pioli doesn’t get Manning, RG3, Flynn, Pipedreams etc. There is no point in having a great defense and great skill position players if Cassel dinks it 2 yards to his safety net every single time on third down.
People here are willing to blame Haley for everything bad that ever happened to the Chiefs
but then give him a pass on the results of the other favorite scapegoat here, Matt Cassel.
It was apparent to only me I guess, that Haley never trusted Cassel and handcuffed him by insisting he never take any chances whatsoever in the passing game. Their sideline altercation seemed to concern this very subject – the ultra-conservative play calling that had Cassel throwing 4 yard dinks and dunks. There is video proof that Cassel can and has thrown long, can and has gone through progressions, but I believe he was primarily coached to dump it off when his primary receiver was not open.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 10, 2012 6:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So you are saying that if the play calling and coaching allows it, Cassel would be a good QB?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would agree with that
He had a system in place in NE and with Weis. He thrived in both. In chaos, he looked…chaotic.
by Steve_in_RI on Feb 10, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Me too
I would say we still need an upgrade eventually, but wgile he can be real jittery in the pocket sometimes he looks smooth (Yes still talking about Cassel)
1) Granted, he has one guy on this play, no progressions. However, look at the ball placement. Ignore its Cassel for a moment. Just watch the throw and catch.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8228eeb9/Cassel-s-43-yard-bomb
2) Again, one option for him… play action again… Hit as he throws…
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d822bfbf8/Cassel-to-Breaston-connection
3) We all remember this game I am sure. Nice pass, nice catch. Again he has the ability to throw down-field with protection.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d823aa54d/Baldwin-39-yard-TD-reception
These are all from this year. I think with a better O-line and certainly a better O game plan he can get to his 2010 form. Again, I still want an upgrade. He will never be a Montana, Horse face, or Marino…
And yes, I could just as easily find videos of when he shit the bed. Hopefully DaBoll helps this and allows him to use his strengths and hides his weaknesses.
I have caught myself thinking the same thing several times..
and I’m still inclined to think that if Cassel were to have “a system” and a playbook (something similar to what Harbaugh did with Smith in SF) that we might be able to hit the “reset” button with him and actually have ourselves a winning team.
We need to be able to protect whoever is taking the snaps and running the ball, so like many have posted in the last month or so…we need to address the interior line (Hudson to Center, DeCastro or legit FA to LG and…
Cassel > Orton
Even McD wanted Cassel > Orton….and McD traded for Orton.
Cassel is as good as the coaches/players around him, in N.E. he went 11-5, 2010 with the Chiefs 10-6 and a trip to the pro-bowl. The only ‘down’ years Cassel has had was 2009 when he took over a team that had gone 2-14 the season before, and last year when the line not only let HIM get injured, but the also let Orton get injured as well.
Cassel has been comp%, QBR, TD/Int ratio, and most important….winning% then Orton. In what way, and on what planet is Orton > Cassel. I have heard people say that all off season, and after going back and watching the games again I am just not seeing it.
on this planet Orton ---> cassell of course you dont see it youve been saying Orton sucks for weeks now nothing is gonna change that
by Willie Beamon on Feb 12, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
To clarify, Orton doesn't suck, in fact the difference between Cassel / Orton is not that great.
They are neck and neck-beard in just about every stat tracked (with Cassel having a slight edge in all of them…comp%, QBR, TD/Int ratio, etc).
The difference is, one is already under contract while the other would have to be singed. Keep the one under contaract and let the one who is not walk.
by DivineGrace on Feb 13, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
Nice read, NN
The trip down memory and nightmare lane of coaches was fun.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Oh, sorry all. THe 2010 Browns actually had 4,635 yards which was 29th in the league.
I was reading the 2011 Browns. Sorry for the mistake!
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 10, 2012 7:21 AM CST reply actions
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
let's give Daboll a chance
while his time at Cleveland and Miami wasn’t super impressive remember that there wasn’t much to work with on those teams.
I’ve read (can’t remember where) that he’s not a “system” guy but a coach who looks at what he’s got and runs an offense that maximizes his guys abilities. To me that is good news because this team does have talent, it just needs to be used correctly.
I think it's time to retire the Gaither/false start thing
Todd Haley doesn’t release players. Nor does it appear that he would have been in a position at that point to make that happen.
Really nice post
I’m curious about our blocking system as well. While our line is small, if you swap out Hudson for Weigmann (which I think we will) we’ve got more beef at C.
Albert and Asamoah can do either. B-Rich can do neither well.
The one that would NEED to go would be Lilja.
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Surprising fact (or maybe not so much)
According to PFF, our line was pretty awful at run blocking last year.
So perhaps we switch to man blocking, since what we’re doing isn’t working?
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meh ... I think it's a matter of needing to do it better instead of differently
which isn’t to say ZBS is intrinsically better (or worse) than a Power scheme … either one you go with you still have to do it well and be better at you do than the defenses that you face
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Daboll ran the PBS with ZBS elements in Miami
That “2nd highest weight” is misleading, Long/Carey/Pouncey are all highly athletic and can get downfield to block.
Bush looked horrible in normal Man scheme, Sparano kept pushing for it and Bush just isn’t a between the tackles runner so the offense would sputter.
When Daboll was given more reigns to the offense, and worked Bush into space with guys downfield blocking that’s when things started to click.
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I noticed that, too.
It wasn’t a slow, brutish line like Cincy’s that averaged like 330 pounds. It was a bit smoother and more athletic. But it still was a power-blocking scheme for the most part. We already have the most athletic and mobile line in the league, bulking up couldn’t hurt. Miami had an agile line that was huge, it could suit both elusive runners like Bush and bruisers like Thomas and Hillard. I’d like a versatile line that, too.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 10, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
That makes me want DeCastro on this team even more.
Size, speed, nastiness, quickness….I love it. Let’s make it happen.
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 10, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
If we do more power runs, I wonder what that does for McClain and for Battle.
Jackie got shit on last year with all of those outside runs they kept calling…dude runs sub 4.5, but he is NOT Charles. Ugh.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 10, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
go-sal ... glad you're with us on The DeCastro Train
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I definitely tend to agree with this statement...
I blame our weakness at the line for our pathetic red zone percentage
Nice post NN…and I so recall all those teams and coaches…and am hoping to wipe out the bad memories of so many eras in the next few years.
For me, the jury’s still out on Daboll, but I’m open to seeing what he can do. If he’s been learning and knows what he’s doing, the offensive future could be bright for some years yet since he’s ‘youngblood’. :-)
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Don't care as long as the O-Line is effective
Was it my imagination that Albert was more effective his first couple of years and then regressed? If so let’s go back to whatever it was he was doing.
I will shovel the coal on the DeCastro Train, but only if we have both Bowe & Carr returning, otherwise we’ll need that pick for a replacement, if available.
Can anyone else see resigning BRich and making him the utility OG? He has the size, and I think he would be more effective inside rather than outside, and cheap—the way Pioli likes them.
Truth is I would be happy with either DeCastro or Martin as both are young, big, fast, aggressive, and smart!
And there are some big effective O-lineman that will be available later in the draft, and at least this time we can draft and coach them up before training camp.

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