PHOTO: Todd Haley As A Steeler
by Joel Thorman on Feb 9, 2012 11:24 AM CST
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Looks a little odd, doesn't it?
The picture above is Todd Haley being introduced as the Pittsburgh Steelers new offensive coordinator.
The picture is a screen grab from the Steelers live stream of Haley's introduction so the quality isn't great but it appears Haley's sporting a fresh hair cut and a shave. A closer shot is posted after the jump.
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Hmm...
Looks a little odd, doesn’t it?
You mean that he bothered to shave and not find a Steelers hat he has had for 20 years (you know he has one). Yeah, that does look odd.
by kcsno56 on Feb 9, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Todd Haley...
…has always looked odd… Oh wait, you’re talking about him in a Steelers press room. He looks like he’s taking a mug shot, or a dunk.
But seriously, good for him! I hope he does well, but not better than us of course!
by JQuest on Feb 9, 2012 11:30 AM CST via Android app reply actions
He has to be pretty darn happy how all of this turned out
I wish him and his family well.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 9, 2012 11:30 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
who IS that man?
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I guess personal hygiene was written into his new contract.
by Tarkus on Feb 9, 2012 11:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's funny
I guess the Steelers organization has a dress code? Just wait until they get on a winning streak, then the true Haley will emerge. Actually, I’m happy that he landed this gig. Great position to be in.
When life gives you lemons, take them to wal-mart and get something that you really want or need. They will take anything back, receipt or not.
by Tim Marcus Ferrell on Feb 9, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That sonuvabitch shaved for them but not for us?!?!?!?!
Outrage!
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 9, 2012 12:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He looks more comfortable in a black sweat shirt
than a metro-sexual Chiefs jacket
by Brad-KC on Feb 9, 2012 12:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wonder
If they pre warned him that there was gonna be cameras and microphones in the room so he didnt freak out.
"If your gonna do it...DO IT"
by isimo on Feb 9, 2012 12:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions 16 recs
Funny,
But I would like to know how you pre warn someone. Wouldn’t that actually be warning them?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Ya caught that myself to late
"If your gonna do it...DO IT"
by isimo on Feb 9, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Let the Dysfunction Begin!!!!!!!!!
Trade up for RGIII and profit
by ArrowheadHunter on Feb 9, 2012 12:55 PM CST reply actions
Kinda sucks
I wish he could have just been our OC before HC.
He is so young and has a passion for football.
I wish him well and hope that Daboll does better than Haley….or watch out.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 9, 2012 12:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Eh, I'm happy for him regardless
I don’t buy into all the downplay on how “bad” he was. He developed a lot of Chiefs players with little to work with.
I bet Mike Wallace and company will improve this season and next under Haley. If successful, I think that should put to rest any question marks on his tenure with the Chiefs (i.e. going to a solid franchise that Pioli and Hunt referenced as a model to follow and making them successful).
by JMagsKC1 on Feb 9, 2012 12:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I watched the presser
Haley was great and I wish him the best of luck. I have no doubt he’ll be very successful. The Steelers are a first class organization. Clark says he wants the Chiefs to be a first class organization.
It’s hard to be that when you fire and don’t pay first class people.
Haley is a good man and coach. First class NFL people know this.
by ChiefConcern on Feb 9, 2012 1:00 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
Most likely he will have the final laugh.. As we are stuck in hell with our #7 he will be in heaven with his.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha well then he will be in familar territory.. No QB
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I hope he has a good fullfilling life but
if you are not a chief i want every other team to suck with anything to do with football. so yea i hope his offense is horrible.
If he's so, happy, how come he isn't giving that bright smile he's known for?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
X
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
by severn58 on Feb 9, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome!
I am Todd Haley of the clan Parcells. I was born in 1518 in the village of Glenfinnen on the shores of Loch Shian. And I am immortal…
There can be only one!
You Play to Win the game!!!
by Wichita Chief on Feb 9, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Now the scumbag shaves
and puts on a clean shirt. Fuck him…he’s an embarrassment.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
no sir, thats you. growing out a beard and wearing a rally shirt is hardly what id call embarrassing
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
He set us up for failure
If that makes ME the embarrassment, then it is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about….as usual.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
So he went all Tanya Harding on everyone's knees?
He set us up for failure
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
1. Poorly prepared training camp
2. Benched Baldwin longer than necessary.
3. Started Thomas Jones over JC.
4. Played Palko.
5. Caused issues with every OC that came to town – screwing up rhythm with our average to below average QB that needed coaching and succeeded when he had it.
6. Kept Orton on the bench (egregious enough to be listed separately from #4).
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
1. Tried something different for a one of a kind offseason- didn't work.
2. Should have started receiver with broken thumb. Sure
3. TJ and JC shared carrries and it worked out great.
4. THere is only one half of one game in question. People keep making it sound like he had a haelthy, prepared ORton onthe bench for 4 weeks. Never happened that way. The only other option was a 5th round draft pick with no offseason who had been running the scout team.
5. Fired holdover Gailey when they didn’t agree on philosophy. Everything else is speculation.
6. Half of a game. Whatever.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
1. That no other coach (all with more experience than Haley) thought was a good idea to try with their teams.
2. Again – SEVEN weeks?!?!?!?
3. meh…not worth arguing
5. Speculation? It’s pretty well known that people have a hard time getting along with Haley, both in KC and AZ…
4&6. Orton rode the bench for 1.5 games before Lord Haley determined he was in any way better than Palko the Arena league dropout. I would rather have lost with Orton against SD to prepare for the remainder of the season than see Palko throw another ball for this team. If your best defense of Haley is Palko didn’t play that long…then we have nothing else to discuss.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Sorry...against Pittsburgh
don’t know where I got SD from.
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however firing a coach for those reasons, and undermining him after winning the division, etc etc etc
definitely is
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
by SDChief on Feb 9, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't starting Palko
Be Haley undermining the entire team?
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup
I know many of the Chiefs Ambassadors and have it on good authority that Haley was intentionally trying to piss off the organization. It did not stop after he left, with allegations of wire tapping and whatnot.
The guys a bum, but don’t tell SDChief or he will get all butthurt.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
I jus don't get peoples defense of him
What, cuz he put DJ and Bowe on the 2nd string depth chart before an actual meaningful game? Our offense has been terrible when he’s had a good amount of input on it, and we’ve looked less fuckin prepared than any other team in the league, regardless of this he said she said bullshit with the GM, thats no excuse for those things to happen on the field. Oh, and owns about 1/5 or 1/6 of our historic blowouts. That dude deserves nothing but the finger from us chiefs fans
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, not many coaches would start their #2 QB when #1 QB goes down.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Riiiiiight
and stick with that #2 when he played like “#2”….
I hope you don’t have aspirations of coaching any time soon.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Palko shouldn't even have been our #2 and that was on Haley
Everyone said he didn’t have an NFL arm but he was Haley’s boy. He floated passes like they were kites in the wind. He stunk it up and never got benched until we fired the coach. Haley said Stanzi wasn’t ready and if the guy wasn’t ready by the 10th – 11th week of the season then that’s on coaches. Palko didn’t play like a #2, he played like a #4.
By the end of his time here Haley was no longer trying to win games, he was trying to screw the organization and Pioli. If he wasn’t trying to screw the organization and really thought Palko gave us the best chance to win then Haley should never ever coach again because he has no clue.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Did anyone listen to it?
How did he sound. His pressers were usually pretty monotone and repetitive, every once in a while he would drop somethin interesting though.
by RamX21 on Feb 9, 2012 1:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I really hope we destroy them next season.
Romeo’s D vs. Haley’s O.
by chiefFANatic on Feb 9, 2012 1:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think HALEY O's
would make a better cereal that offensive unit. Pittsburgh has enough talent to do well, regardless of who the OC is (at this point).
Sadly, Haley will get the credit, just like he did for being fortunate enough to have Warner and Fitzgerald in AZ.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Sadly, like Daboll will get credit for Charles' and Moeaki's return?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I dont, first time id be happy to see someone learn their lesson like that
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Kansas City Chiefs Football Fan
You’re doing it wrong.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
So you want KC to learn a lesson by losing to the Steelers
Screw that, save that crap for after-school specials and PBS documentaries. Blow the Steelers out 27 – 0 and keep walking.
Not sure I have seen a Chiefs fan root against the team
unless it was to get Luck.
I understand hating Pioli or being on Haley’s side but to root against your team. Says a lot.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
You still haven't :)
An actual fan does not EVER root against their team…that’s all I’m saying.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
good luck coach
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
by SDChief on Feb 9, 2012 1:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yawn
Who cares about this dude. Enjoy the bubble screens 3rd down delay draws and toss sweeps with your slowest running backs!
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Pitts offense will now be
Take the fastest and smallest running back and put him up the middle
Take the slowest RB and run him around the end
Take a 7 step drop and get sacked
Punt.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Terrible Towels remember the head coach before the current one for the steelers
If memory serves used to be in Kansas City, as a Defensive coach, now he is a Sportscaster with a few Superbowl rings on his fingers, remember him, i think they founds some diamonds on our sidelines huh!!
Haleys done nothing to be considered a diamond
Come on
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Went 10-6 with Cassel... I beleive that speaks for itself.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Oh no doubt, but my point is he won with a below average QB, knowing day one he it would be close to impossible.
This is what truly broke up Pioli and Haley.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Weiss won with him
Tired of those excuses.
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jamaal thrrew 27 TDs?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
No...
But he did account for like 40% of our offensive yards.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Pretty sure Weiss has more to do with that
How’d our offense do before and after, hell just on preparation alone. Gimme a break this guy won’t be on the Steelers sideline next year, watch.
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm, let me think
everytime Haley had control of the offense it sucked.
Yup, if memory serves, it was horrendous. Like this year, team worst 13.2 points per game. I looked at every year back to 1980 and we never had it that bad. Closest was 15. He was 2 points a game less than any other year. That’s terrible and at 13.2 we were less than half of the top team in the league this year. Haley doesn’t know shit about an offense. Battle, oh run him outside. Dex, oh run him inside. Jones, just run him. Pioli, you signed something called a fullback? How do I use that? Oh, I’ll just keep him on the sideline.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then
Plus he had to be forced into having 2 SB winning and very well respected coordinators to do it.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
the dude still needs some serious fashion advice
candidate for the worst fitting sweatshirt of the year award? the black podium in front of him isnt helping his waistline either.
If that picture doesnt tell you how unhappy he was here...
Then you should be stabbed in the eye by a soldering iron.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Which picture...?
The one where he is in the Chiefs shirt not smiling?
OR
The one where he is in the Steeler’s shirt not smiling?
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Having to watch him screw our O up,
I would have rather been stabbed in the eye by a soldering iron
RonSkitzo FOR PREZ BRAH
Head coach in 2014.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
It'll be interesting to see how Ben responds
with Haley telling him to Go F&#c himself after every INT.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I dont think they are going to throw as much as they did this past couple years.. Haley is detemined to run the ball and all the Haley haters have to admitt he did turn our running game around
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Did he really turn it around?
Or, after TRYING to ignore it, did he finally see Charles’ 6 ypc college/NFL average and finally give him the ball more? Did Haley turn the run game around or Jamaal?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
by Tomahawk29 on Feb 9, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
People forget he stuck with LJ
And if not or twitter we’d still probably have that piece of shit
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, that's how I remember the Priest era starting off, too.
I remember that we tried to throw quite a bit at the beginning of that first good offensive season, and only started having more balance after a few games when it was obvious our running game was kicking everybody’s ass. The Saunders talk kinda reminded me of that.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Exactly, we didn't know what we had with Priest or Jamaal and then their time came.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Thomas Jones playing is not turning the run game around.
JC is just so much of a beast he covered up a lot crap.
Not sure that justifies giving Haley a bunch of credit for turning the run game around.
I could have coached this team and still got the running game going, given the talent on hand.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Turn it around from what?
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
We had the best running game last year(2010).. Id say hed turned it around, just my oppinion though
And he made charles into what he is today, because he didnt just hand him the job. He earned it, just like Bowe!
" The world is Yours"
How does Haley get credit for JCs 6.4 yards a carry
When he didn’t call the running plays?
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Meh.
2010, with Jamaal and a healthy Jones: #1 running game.
2011, no Jamaal, shitty Jones: #25 run game.
Jamaal had far more to do with the run game being elite than anything Haley EVER did for us.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
When were we the #25 running team?
2011 we were 15th.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I didn't mean to really argue his point
Was just injecting a fact.
Carry on.
And BS Haley made Charles who he is today.
The guy has been averaging over 5.5 ypc for his entire career (both college and pros). Jamaal is just being Jamaal. Haley had little to do with making him the RB he is today.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Funny how Charles "earned" the job
right after LJ called Haley a golfer who didn’t deserve to be the head coach. What a coincidence.
Fact is he mailed it in because of beef with Pioli
how can you be about team and do that kind of thing. he is no better the Terrible Owens, he put his own problems before the team.
I agree terrible approach, but he young and he will learn from this. When your singled out, alone, and pushed into a corner a man will do what he thinks is best for him.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Wrong definition of a man
having standards and integrity in the face of that would have been an even bigger statement and i would have rooted for him the whole way.
by km230015 on Feb 9, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Absoolute wrong defintion
of man getting paid A LOT of MONEY to do a damn JOB.
I may not like my boss either but I still DO MY JOB!
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Exactly i work with a team.
i would never do anything to screw them just to prove a point to my boss.
...and if you did
you would expect the same fate that Haely received.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Im calling shenanigans on this one..
Its easy.. infact i wounld venture to say that everyone of us has had a beef with our boss that hindered our production and either got us fired or some sort of disciplinary action. Its not that uncommon.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
So Haley either sucks as a coach or he mailed it in which is it?
I am saying he had a responsibility to the players regardless of what was between Pioli and him and after having the team prepared with less talent in 2010 to look like it did coming out in 2011 is sad.
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And no, muir gets that blame. Haley gets the blame for our team looking so fucking unprepared we’re cheering for 1rst downs and less than 20 point defeats. The dude owns 7-8 of our 30 something horrible blowouts in chiefs history. Yeah, good coach.
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 1:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Tipical reactions blame the coach, sometimes it just comes do
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
to the players, my bad hit enter to quickly
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Those players...
Did pretty well when they won 2 of 3 after Haley was shitcanned.
What’s that you say, Orton was the starter for those three games?
(after also being on the roster for the two previous games when Haley “had confidence” with Palko as our starter)
I blame the coach.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Who's reponsibility is it to have their team prepared?
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its teh HC and i think he was prepared, but the games got out of hand with bad luck early on. Our D couldnt get off the field and whe they saw Berry go down.. they went down and nearly took half a season to recover.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
I agree Haley could have done things better, much better. But overall i think he has what it takes to be successful. I love his passion and when players buy into him he can win
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Running Palko game after game
Is not doing what it takes p be successful gimme a break. This dude has no in-game adjustments whatsoever and just gave up and put himself and his fight with the GM over trying to put the best players out there to try and salvage our season.
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He felt Palko was most fimilar with teh playbook, until Orton got there he had no choise.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Bullshit
We had the most generic playbook in the fuckin league. I wouldve rather ran stanzis ass out there than that bum. Haley did that shit purposely. There’s no excuse for letting him see the field after 1 game.
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 2:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well so would I , i hated and pray no one will ever have to watch something like that again.
But obviously Stanzie wasn’t ready, and he wanted to start Orton vs the bears but felt he needed more time. After 1st couple series he puts him in there and hurt first play. He did what he felt was best and he is titled to that being HC.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ready or not
you have to exhaust all avenues when something isnt working. i am sure all the rookies that played this year weren’t “ready”. you dont know if you are ready till you get in. and you cant always tell ready by practice or tom Brady would have started the season over bledsoe, Steve young over old montana.
Bad Luck <> Palko
Bad Luck <> Benching Baldwin for seven weeks for a broken flipping hand.
Haley made decisions to “teach people lessons” that wasted a season of Chiefs football. A season that many fans paid a lot of money to watch at Arrowhead.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
He can when it's 3rd and 15 and he runs a %$#&*(* DRAW PLAY.
YEEARGGH!!!
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Thought he didnt call run plays?
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
When he's had influence on the offense
Those are the plays he runs
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 2:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
jc was a third rd rb who couldnt hold on to the ball before Haley.
Jus saying. Give credit where credit is due
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 2:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He was the 3rd RB because of Haley
Give blame where blame is due.
That was by design, sometimes that will drive a player and obviuosly it works AKA Charlse and Bowe
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
that crap works in training camp and preason
but it could also have negative effect when you have an inferior player getting respect when it is supposed to be about production.
Is this Todd Haley?
Go away Todd. I will not give you any credit for you deserved none.
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 2:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nope just a chiefs fan, who happens to think Haley is a good coach, but didnt work out here. is that ok?
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
But honostly its looking like i might be the only one on AP :)
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
He may be a good coach but i just dont like the way he handled the team this year
in the face of adversity you often see people’s true character.
I understand, i think he made some bad decisions.
But name one coach that can win when you lose your best players, have a below average Qb, a GM thats not willing to help, and a top 5 schedule. Just saying
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Its the GMs job to make sure that players like this are barried on the Depth chart. Jones was a good add a couple years ago, but even Haley played battle over him when it was obvious he(jones) had nothing left
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
But
Its these are guys haley lobbied for and he cant then look at the gm and say your talent eval sucks, the Gm will just look at those guys and say really, you can do better? Point is THIS year he did not put the team in a good position and left them in the middle of his tiff with Pioli. He had his condition program in place for 2 offseasons i think they could have spent less time on that in the shortened preseason.
Name a Coach? Todd Haley
He could have won with the team he had.
BUT
he chose to bench Baldwin,
he chose to play Palko,
he chose to condition rather than play football in training camp,
he chose to undermine the ownership and GM.
Rome did all that Haley could not do or was not willing to do with all of the same players available to him at that time.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Pretty sure Baldwin had a broken thumb...
Everything else though seems true enough.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
For seven weeks?
Not buying it. Especially when interviewed about when he would be read to play and he gave the typical Patriots Chiefs response of “I dunno go ax coach?!?”
Haley did it to teach the rookie a lesson for messing with his boy T. Jones at the detriment of the team and the 2011 season.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
I would have
personally delivered 5 gallons a day if that would have made a difference. It would only have been a benefit to have him play earlier….but I cannot WAIT to see him next season!
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
id feel like undermining gm too if i am stuck with cassel and the lowest cap in the league. lamar hunt would have never run the team like that.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 2:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
then he should have quit
if i was a player and my career depended on a coach screwing with the team to prove points i would be waiting in his office to beat some sense into him. He gets paid to coach not have girl fight with the gm.
Just saying he chose to react negatively
where had he done so the other way i think he would have been drooled over for sticking to his integrity and remaining composed as a coach in that situation. He would be a HC somoewhere if not here.
i agree with that statement
He was just a passionate guy always. I think our team was a reflection of his inconsistencies but I think that if he had more time he would a figured it out. If we blame Haley then blame pioli for not being a better judge of his character before he hired him.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 3:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That is true i think the Haley hire was
his attempt not to hire a Hoodie cast off and go his own way.
Definitely blame for Pioli in all of this.
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the biggest fault on haley was the way he chose to approach the preseason after the lockout. but after winning the division i feel like you get a chance to redeem yourself. the steelers game and the pats game we had no option but palko and stanzi.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 2:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He did have a chance to redeem himself
And instead he chose to take a big steaming dump on his boss’ and his bosses Boss’ head.
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How bout crediting his position coach
Haley has nothing to do with JC whatsoever
by KCinIL on Feb 9, 2012 2:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mo carthon was haley's guy. im just pissed that they couldnt work it out. one year ago we loved everything Todd Haley. now were just ready to wish failure upon him.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 2:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Might have something to do with:
Intentionally playing Palko over Stanzi/Orton.
Badmouthing the organization with crack addled rumors.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
yea badmouthing during the season (yet he didnt mail it in) and
gave 100%. not whisking reporters away to conference room so have secret conversations. instead of that how about better gameplanning. just saying might have helped.
Gameplanning?!?
BRILLIANT!!
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im gonna root for every player/coach who was ever a chief.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i just dont feel like he was trying to screw the team
Ask breaston, McClain, Baldwin, flowers, or Charles if he was trying to screw the team. They loved that man.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 2:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmmm...they appeared to love RAC a whole lot more.
They may need to work for Haley again some day, I doubt they will talk shit.
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Trying to say they "bugged his phone" and all that
either go to the authorities and lodge a criminal complaint or shut it. No he was trying to paint the team in a negative light.
pioli isnt the chiefs
He hasn’t proved that yet. He isn’t from kc nor has he done anything to earn that honor. WE are the chiefs.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 3:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That is a public shot at the whole organization
It tried to make the Kansas City Chiefs look bad not just Pioli.
You’re right about that. Don’t hide behind reporters. Just call pioli out.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 3:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That’s one thing I loved about herm. He was at least upfront with the fans and media. RAC is showing signs of that which is good
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 3:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, McClain said the atmosphere changed for the better after Romeo took over.
He said that the players had a clear game plan and felt better prepared.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Of course he did. He said the something similar after the 4 game winning streak. That’s what good teammates say.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 4:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good teammates speak about how much better a new coach is?
I agree.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Weak.
Going into this year he was listed as the 2nd RB who had just tied a record that hasn’t been touched since Jim Brown set it.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Did I say that?
No. I think Haley as always had his hand in calling plays for the offense. Big reason why we’re going on our 4th OC in 4 years.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Interesting
Haley has been unofficially on the job or at least hired or slated to be hired for four days now and has yet to speak with his new QB?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I don't think Ben can talk to him
within 100 yards of Haley’s teenage daughter.
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This is the honeymoon phase where he shaves and wants to present a good impression
He did that here too. Give it a year and it will start going downhill. 2 years and he will have been in a sideline fight with a player. 2-3 years and he will look like a mountain man and will be starting Tyler Palko for them.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
I have a question
Do you think our offense was hendered by our coaches or by the QB they had to play? Just asking
A little bit of both
I would have loved to see what Cassel was capable of, if Weis stuck around.
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You think a coach can really have that big of a inpact of a player that couldnt even start in college? a back up his whole career until KC. It doesnt matter who the OC is Cassel will never be good.
Weis was helped out with any easy schedule and a break out yr from Charles.. Remember the 4th down call made VS balt in playoffs? if Weis was so great and made cassel better i think he would have put in cassels hand on 4th and 2 instead of running a HB toss.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
He could have started in college.
He couldn’t start at USC, with two Heisman Trophy winners ahead of him.
Ok seriously? thats your argument?
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Wait...What???
Isn’t your name plastered all over the posts above about how great of a coach Todd Haley is and how he is the reason that the team was able to turn itself around…and how the
Tipical reactions blame the coach,
You then have the stones to ask:
You think a coach can really have that big of a inpact of a player …
If you’re going to throw one play at me instead of the multiple years of inconsistency at OC thanks to Haley’s asshole behavior then you have already invalidated any intelligent argument you could possibly have had.
To answer your question though: Yes.
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I believe i said that i think Haley is a good coach, and a lot of time it comes down to the players on the field.
These are professionals, with egos, and different personalities. I think that to many people give Weis credit for the success when there was alot of things that fell just right. And when i said “you think a coach can have an impact” meaning and directing it towards a player like cassel a 30 yr old journey man who in all honesty had a lucky year.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
All I know is...
Charlie Weis has a shit ton (official measurement) of NFL gold and diamonds on 3 fingers where a certain 6th round draft pick excelled under his tutelage.
No doubt Brady has a buttload of natural talent but it takes coaching fundamentals and a keen eye to help players develop. Hell Cassel won 11 games under Weis in New England too.
If there were no value in coaching, there wouldn’t be any coaches. Think of the payroll the “cheap ass” Clark’s could save if they didn’t need to hire coaches.Obviously the system works.
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Never once said there was no value, obviously there is huge value.
And im not sure I follow your point, What has any coach out of NE won since leaving? Cassel took a 16-0 team and missed the playoffs. Enough said!
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
You're right...
Cassel took a 16-0 team and missed the playoffs. Enough said!
I simply cannot argue with that rock solid logic. Winning 11 games and not making the playoffs is common.
He won 11 flipping games….
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weis wasnt there when cassel won 11 games
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 4:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thats what i thought, but didnt know 100%. Thanks.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 9, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Uhhh...
Cassel HAS had some pretty impressive success at the NFL level. The knock on him has always been consistency. So yes, a good coach, who stays for a consistent amount of time would have done good things for Cassel.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Ok question number 2
Do you think Pioli (im sure Hunt has a say also) bring in (fork out he cash) a legitimate QB to compete with Cassel to give our new OC options?
Depends on the definition of legitimate.
1. Manning (if available) – No way.
2. Orton – No
3. Jason Campbell – Maybe
4. Any other free agent – Maybe
I think we go with:
1.Cassel
2.Stanzi
3. [Insert draft pick OR practice squad player from some other team here]
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Given his statements along with dabolls, I doubt it. Not real competition. Hope i m wrong
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 4:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Last question then i have to go
If you were empowered for a day and could send just one of our players packing who would it be?
In a trade or what? Are we just getting rid of players just to?
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 5:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yes just to
Just trying to get a general consensus of who my fellow Chiefs fans think could be holding us back
qb.
Defense is gonna be stellar, rb and receivers can be great. Cassel supporters will say o line
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 9, 2012 5:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
For being straight men...
you guys seem to care an awful lot about what another man looks like.
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