If He Enters Free Agency, Brandon Carr Should Be A Hot Commodity
by Joel Thorman on Feb 9, 2012 10:50 AM CST
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs have two big free agents this year -- Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr -- and both of them are considered to be two of the top talents available. At receiver, perhaps only DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson would rank above Dwayne Bowe.
And at cornerback, Carr might be the No. 1 guy available. At least according to the free agent rankings from Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com. In a ranking of the top 50 free agents, Carr comes in at No. 2.
How often do good man-cover players in their prime hit the market? This kid is about to get paid. He is this high because he plays a premium position well. He turns 26 in May.
Young. Premium position. Good locker room guy. Homegrown. There are more than a few reasons Romeo Crennel said Carr (and Bowe) was among the team's top priorities.
So how is everyone feeling about Carr? Nervous he'll leave? Confident he'll return?
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Dwayne Bowe > Vincent Jackson
Brandon Carr > Brandon Flowers
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 9, 2012 10:50 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Truth
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 9, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dwayne Bowe def. better then Desean jack
Carr better then Flowers? Not yet, at least in my eyes
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
Their numbers are close, if I remember right.
But Bowe wins hands down with less talent throwing to him.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 9, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Flowers can't hang with Carr in man coverage.
He just can’t.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Flowers is a 4-3 corner
in the fashion of a Tampa 2 defense like Indy, Herm, and the Bills used to run. Emphasis placed on smaller, quicker DB’s that can play the zone. Carr is a better fit for our defense, and because of his man coverage skills & size I see him as a the better corner
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Much weaker against the run, though
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This
Where Flowers lacks in man coverage he more then makes up in run support and tackling. Probably the best open field tackle CB in the entire league.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Unless its a big back with a full head of steam
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
He generaly does a fantastic job going low in those cases
takes out the legs.
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Antoine Winfield disagrees.
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Feb 9, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well the reason why
But Flowers has more tackles PassDef and INT’s and INT’s for TD’s…
Crazy that Flowers didn’t start every game in his career like Carr.
But since they mostly play Flowers Right side and Carr Left of the QB’s facing them. That means Flowers will match up against the #1 WR 75-90% of the time.
Also teams love running left more than right cuz of the left takle… Just like passing right than left cuz most QB’s are right handed..
He sees #1s halff the time
However he is more likely to see the hot route at this percentages, ehich isnt always a #1 wideout.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
weaker against the run?
If you are counting on your corners to stop the run, you have major problems elsewhere in your defense!
by Forever eagle green on Feb 11, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly, Shuffle.
Flowers’ instincts are fantastic in a Tampa 2 scheme, but when he’s asked to play bump and run, he loses a lot of what makes him a great corner.
That said, we need ’em both.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
No way.
Flowers > Carr
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 9, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe.
Flowers and Carr are different players with different strengths, but it could be that Flowers needs Carr and vice versa. A CB tandem like this is rare.
I don’t know if he’ll return. I certainly hope he does.
Either way, it provides ammo for one side of the management argument, I guess.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
If things get a little "testy"
Franchise Carr, and deal with Bowe. I have a feeling Bowe will want to stay, but I’m nervous about Carr. It’s like – Albert Lewis all over again. He was in his prime, and we lost him to the Raiders.
by David Winton on Feb 9, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
Franchise Carr and deal with Bowe
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
You can't franchise one and deal the other
The only way you could deal one, would be by franchising them, and you can only do that to one player per offseason.
;)
Yeah. I could have been more clear on that.
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KC will use the franchise tag on Carr if they cant sign him before FA starts...
Carr has been more of a leader and less of a headcase than Bowe. Also, there are similar talents available at WR available in FA but there is no doubt Carr is the top DB available. At the top of his game at the age of 26 makes this decision a no-brainer. That said, I think KC is furiously trying to sign Bowe before the FA period starts if the can. And if they can’t get Bowe signed by then… I put the chances at him staying a Chief at 50/50.
Bowe has always been a show pony and while he says a lot of good things about Haley now, you could tell how bad it chapped his hide to be called to account by the team. And I cannot see the team’s position on Bowe changing in that regard. RAC is a nicer guy and all that, but he DOES expect excellence and it’s clear the only way you get excellence from Bowe is to hold his feet to the fire.
Knowing this, Bowe may opt for top dollar elsewhere and then return to form as a deadbeat loser only good for a few dance moves each season. I hope Bowe decides to stay and show some loyalty and committment to the team and the fans who have given him so much. But if he goes hollyweird on us it won’t surprise me even a little bit.
Underneath all of this I keep remembering the comments you heard from some of the veterans in the locker room after the Thomas Jones/Jon Baldwin incident about “Players with a sense of entitlement”. I cannot help but wonder if Bowe’s attitude off the field is part of the reason Baldwin was acting so bad it would force a guy like Jones to get in his face.
All we know for sure is Bowe has demonstrated maturity issues most of his career. Granted he’s done a better job of keeping his name out of the papers the last two years… but that doesn’t mean his attitude is not still a concern in the locker room.
The thing I find most disappointing about KC over the past 5 years is the way they have changed their policy for dealing with problem players. When Dale Carter and others had drug problems – they were instantly ‘Former Chiefs". We’ve seen a marked tendency since Herm was hired to overlook character issues if there was some chance a guy could be productive on the field (re: Larry “Ogre” Johnson). It wasn’t always the best thing for the W/L column to place this much emphasis on character, but it did give us a team we could be proud of ALL the time – not just for winning. I miss those days.
by CurtMerzFan on Feb 9, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well put. Something to keep in mind.
I may have incidentally flagged instead of rec’d… Mea culpa…
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
strongly disagree
He was somewhat of a diva WR before Pioli and Haley got here. Since they got here we’ve seen hardly on field silliness. much more maturity off the field. I think Haley really taught him a lot about being a mature player and person. I think hanging out with Fitz in the offseason really showed what it takes to be a great player. That it takes maturity and commitment to be among the elite. That it’s about the team first. I think he wants to stay but wants to be paid close the elite. I don’t think that’s asking too much. He’s been on the edge of the best WRs and when you look at the QBs he’s had it’s really telling
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 10, 2012 2:37 AM CST up reply actions
Agree on both points completey
Bowe is WAY better than Jackson at this stage of their careers. Gotta say though, Flowers and Carr are both extremely solid. Don’t make me choose one.
I am very nervous Carr will leave, but I think Bowe will be the closest thing to a career Chief we have had in awhile.
Nervous he'll leave
Hope promoting Romeo to HC can help sway him back if/when he makes the rounds.
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
The 1961 Ferrari, two-fifty GT California. Less than a hundred were made.
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
If you had access to a car like this, would you take it back right away?
Neither would I.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Damn you
now I want to go watch that movie.
I sense a mid-day bubonic plague coming on… I won’t possibly be able to work anymore.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 9, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I'm so disappointed in chai1836
Twenty bucks says he’s sitting in front of his computer debating about whether or not he should pop the top to the lotion.
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
Hell yeah I'm nervous he'll leave
One way they could remedy the situation is going D first round with Kirkpatrick, tagging and re-signing Bowe long term.
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 9, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply actions
Pioli wants hometown discounts
Which Hali, Flowers, and Charles basically gave. Carr has every right to get his money and despite our cap space he won’t be paid more than Flowers by Pioli
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Pioli couldve got Carr at a discount.
He blew it and franchise tendered him again. Now he has to pay.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
RFA tendered*
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
yep. Carr could have been locked up prior to this season but instead, got the bare minimum
I don’t think Pioli has shown in the past that he’ll overpay to keep someone, as it’s not part of his philosophy, so if either Bowe or Carr don’t get signed prior to FA, one of them gets tagged, the other is gone.
you can do that in New England
they have won Championships..players WANT to play there…you cant do that in KC…they have won nothing in 40 years…its about money AND winning…
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
I agree. There are some aspects of the business model that need to be recalibrated
based on location, recent history of superbowl appearances etc. Like it or not, the Chiefs are in the bottom 4-5 teams for last time to win a playoff game with the Bengals and the rest of the bottom dwellers.
Wtf are you talking about?
Hali is now one of the highest paid players in the league. 5 yr 60 mil with like 38 mil guaranteed. Hometown discount my butt.
by bossmanham on Feb 9, 2012 11:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He is arguably the best pass rusher in the NFL.
I bet he would have gotten over 70 in the open market, maybe close to 75. Seymour despite his contract issues is getting 15 a year in Oakland. Hali in my opinion is better, he just isn’t as greedy. He would get close to 15 if he really tried.
Carr won't be back unless he's franchised.
I expect him to test the market and the Chiefs to get outbid for his services if he is a FA. Bowe, on the other hand, finds himself competing against other good FA WRs. Bowe could be re-signed by KC at fair market value. Not Carr.
he will be franchised.
i just can’t see romeo letting him slip away.
I'm very nervous.
I think he likes KC and I know he has a very special relationship with Brandon Flowers…I hope they can make it work…If he is offered the same contract they gave Flowers last season, I’m not sure he will take it because he would demand more on the open market…Having said that, the people who think offering more to Carr would upset Flowers are foolish and do not have any idea the relationship between these two…not saying I know a lot but I know enough to confidently say Flowers wouldn’t be mad that his best friend is making more money then he is…
I like Dont'a Hightower if we can trade into the 25ish range in the first. Think he is going to be a great NFL ILB and would look great beside DJ. He is known as a run stuffer who is pretty good on the blitz but what I saw when watching him play was a very smart footbal player and a leader on the nations best D. Haven't really seen anyone else say that he plays well in coverage but vs. LSU he was excellent in coverage. If we can move down and pick up more picks that's who I take.
Losing either of these guys...
Makes me feel a little sick. I still get a little sick about Jared Allen. I know we got something out of the trade, but still, I am not convinced it wasn’t a zero sum deal. I just hate seeing hometown studs playing for other teams.
by PrairieSchooner on Feb 9, 2012 11:00 AM CST reply actions
maybe here.
Our man Octophosphate paid them a visit yesterday.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
From Michigan, went to college in Michigan
Team is good and needs a corner on a good defense.
Fits well. Sadly.
Twitter - @bkissel7
got ya
I’s just throwing out recent interest in Carr.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 9, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
yeah....he's going to have a lot of interest I would assume
Always have to put Redskins up there.
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yeehaw! busted!
but true – if I were Washington I’d put him over what they have now. Was never a fan of Deangelo Hall’s antics.
But really – he’ll be a solid fit just about anywhere he goes. He should be highly sought after.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 9, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Detroit owes megatron 20 million
No way they can afford a premium corner like Carr.
Last year some (including myself) were ridiculed for suggesting this:
Brandon Carr is possibly the best #2 corner in the league, and he’s better than most team’s #1’s.
Now I think it’s hard to argue that.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
He had a big year
Pioli made a big mistake not re-signing him last offseason. I hope he doesn’t make the same mistake with Albert.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
Albert should get locked up during the season this year, if not sooner.
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He's only improving too
Just came off his best year and was his best by a long shot. If he gets to the Pro Bowl next year after being snubbed this year his price will only be that much higher.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Kind of like Carr
He was pretty good in ‘10, but was much better in ’11. I hope the same mistake isn’t repeated.
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He was a top 10 corner in '10
It wasnt noticed because Flowers had that 3 game stretch where he was the best in the league.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I still didn't see him get his head around enough that year to call him top 10
But I trust you :)
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Well shutting down the WR is good enough for me :D
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I've always been big on Carr
But if you told me last year that there would be this many fans stressed about him possibly leaving I wouldve laughed at you.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I've said it. And gotten ridiculed. He is now better than Flowers, I believe that. And Flowers is damn good.
I knew as soon as Carr started getting his head around and finding the ball when he is 1 on 1 that he would totally be a stud and about halfway through last season something clicked and ever since then he has been finding the ball incredibly well. Less penalties, more batted balls, he is just better.
I'm getting there
We know he wants to get paid, and I don’t see us shelling out more money to him than to Flowers. That’s a lot of money to tie into the secondary.
OT, remember when we had NO free agents we cared about losing?
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Jimmy Wilkerson
gave Carl a good run for his money for like 1.5 season’s.
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I can get behind that reasoning
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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Interesting stat
Twelve QBs made the playoffs this last season, and only 5 of them completed more than 60% of their passes in the playoffs.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 9, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Defenses tighten up in the playoffs
Refs allow more physicality.
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only 11 made the playoffs
Tebow doesnt count
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not.
Because he’s not.
You’ve got a top 10 secondary that is young, and should be performing at this level for many more years. Lock that shit down. Not worth the experiment.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Exactly.
His relationships with Flowers and RAC are irreplaceable. It makes zero sense for him to go elsewhere.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 9, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
more like cents
I am guessing he can find about 37.5 million reasons over 5 years to leave, play in his hometown, and fill a need on the Lions. The pressure is to get Bowe signed, so the Chiefs can tag then trade Carr so we don’t lose him for nothing.
by TheValleybetterthanPAC12 on Feb 9, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
One would IMAGINE
That Berry, Lewis, Flowers, and Carr all realize the opportunity in front of them… right?
The weakest link there is Lewis, and he was a very good ballhawk for a 2nd year guy.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 9, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I don’t know how you don’t lock up one of the best secondaries in the league.
by PrairieSchooner on Feb 9, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
After his play this year, Kendrick's right up there.
He was above and beyond what I expected, especially with the crap we threw on the field at the other safety position.
But yeah, playing for Emmitt Thomas and RAC, alongside three other guys you love playing with? Gotta think that factors in.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
The problem with this line of thought is........
…it doesn’t take into account how far under the cap we are. The Chiefs can easily sign Carr & Bowe, plus make a big splash in free agency. (they won’t)
Money isn’t an issue, philosophy might be. Personally, I just think Pioli is a dumbass and will fuck this deal up because he mistakes arrogance for intelligence.
Nice insight.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 9, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'm having trouble following why I should be taking cap space into account
When discussing Carr’s motivations?
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There are a lot of factors to take into consideration
What other positions they plan on pursuing in FA, development of our players here…
What if, for example, they believe they can bring in or rotate in a guy who is 80% as good but costs half as much so they can make other moves?
Now, given our space, I’m not sure that’ll be an issue, but it’s something to consider.
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True
But that’s a gamble with a secondary that is one signed player away from being set for five+ years
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True
And it’s quite the secondary. If your worst player (and by quite a long shot) in your starting secondary is Kendrick Lewis, you’re doing VERY well.
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I like Lewis, but I don't love him as much as most
He missed a lot of tackles last year from what I saw.
Still a good young player though. And with those other guys around him, it’s still a great secondary.
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WEll he is a FS afterall
Tacklibg RBs should be his last concern, see: last year
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Actually
His first priority should be to get the ball back for the offense
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
first priority
is getitng the ball back for the Offense and the easiest way to do something like that is to let the opposing offense go 3 and out… that should include tackling and taking the ball away
By definition,
as a free safety, his 1st priority is to cover pass plays (get the ball back), his second responsibilty is to tackle anybody around him
i agree
Kendrick Lewis reminds me alot of Jared Page, and one of the reason why we got rid of him was because he couldn’t wrap his damn arms around somebody… always going for the shoulder big hit which big WR’s just bounce off of and run in for the TD
My favorite part about this secondary
is it’s all home-grown talent. In fact I like the look of the Chiefs as a whole compared to the 90’s and 00’s. Much less reliance on free agent veterans than the Carl years.
The only starting position on the defense that hasn’t been a Chief for life is NT.
by CapsLockKey on Feb 9, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, I hadn't realized that
The defense is almost entirely homegrown. What about Belcher? I’m pretty sure we didn’t draft him. Was he an undrafted rookie?
by TheScootness on Feb 9, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
That's right.
If they start Powe or pick up another NT in the draft, the base D will be entirely homegrown. That’s actually pretty amazing. I wonder if any other team could claim that?
What about the rotational guys? We drafted Bailey and Javi. I think Gilberry was also an undrafted rook. I believe Studebaker was also undrafted. Drawing a blank on the others right now.
by TheScootness on Feb 9, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
We acquired Studebaker
off of the Eagles practice squad. He was a 6th round draft pick for them.
Why gamble?
If you’re top 10 with a bunch of young players, it’s not out of the question to think those same guys can be top 5. We’ve got way too much cap space to be taking gambles to save money…especially since we’re never active in FA.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
I agree
I’m just trying to figure out other lines of thinking.
The only excuse in my book would be if they’re going BIG in FA this year and don’t believe they can afford Carr. And it’d have to be big to justify it… Like Nicks, Soliai, AND Manning
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youre writing a book?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Whatever's clever.
Point is, Carr’s more important to the team than the other FA’s.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Hmmm... maybe. I could probably go with that
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I think he knows he is more valuable playing across from Flowers.
Major worry would be Detroit for a hometown move.
by ChiTownChiefs on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Hopefully they retain both
but if you want to prioritize who they need to resign or tag, has to be Carr. There will be a slim supply of good young corners on the free agent market, unlike receiver.
Can't overlook the draft
Pioli could set himself up with leverage similarly he did with Bowe by drafting a player at that position in the 1st round. Bowe:Baldwin/Carr:Kirkpatrick. There are options, just limited
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 9, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Re: Lions
They’re in cap trouble. All those years of drafting in top 5 are coming back to haunt them, especially after hitting on some of these picks. They have Avril & Johnson they need to re-do and they already have a lot of money tied up on that D’s front line. I know Gunther and ties to Detroit add up, I’m just not seeing it
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 9, 2012 11:08 AM CST reply actions
Question is:
Does he take a discount to go back to Detroit to help them out, does he take a discount to play across from Flowers and for RAC, or does he go for the big payday?
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
All good questions
Him having never really received a big payday, it’s not hard to imagine that he just wants to make the biggest bucks he can.
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True.
But is a significant bump and playing for a team/coach he knows he likes enough to make that happen?
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
I can't say
I do know that if it were me, I’d want to stay with the Chiefs. All homerism aside, his job just gets harder if he leaves here. Here, he’s got a phenomenal secondary he’s comfortable with around him. He’s also got Hali, you gets to the QB more often than pretty much anyone in the league, and Houston, a gifted up and coming pass rusher.
Even throw in DJ, a great ILB who helps out with coverage and keeps the CBs from having to deal with RB’s very often.
It would seem like the most logical course for me unless he’s getting offered way more money elsewhere
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
And if that's the case, I put another hashmark in the "Pioli, Negative" category.
No excuse.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Pretty sure he knows Gunther too
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 9, 2012 11:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Best years of career > not great rookie season
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
No doubt.
But is Gunther a bigger pull than RAC and Thomas?
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Then he knows how terrible he is
I’m surprised the guy is still employed in Detroit. That defense was a colossal disappointment.
They're in real trouble with Johnson
Not sure off the top of my head what the cap hit would be if they had to franchise him. But I remember it being astronomical because of some incentives he hit or something.
Twitter - @bkissel7
How do you franchise Megatron?
You HAVE to pay the best receiver in the league.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
he has all the leverage
his franchise number would be like $21 million or something redonkulous. He’s going for the biggest contract ever. Has to take time to figure that out…..but he is worth it.
Twitter - @bkissel7
Jesus.
That cap hit alone is enough to sign the deal. Get it over with so you know what you actually have left.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Cap hit if they franchise him is over 20M$.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
I could have sworn that they owe him 20 mil THIS year
It’s already factored in. The concern is next year, when his contract is up. You don’t let Calvin Johnson walk away.
http://www.examiner.com/sports-media-in-detroit/the-detroit-lions-and-the-salary-cap
Nervous he'll leave isn't the way I'd say it.
I’m nervous our front office is going to fuck this whole deal up. It is going to be extremely difficult to see Carr and or Bowe playing in another uniform if it comes to that. There is no reason why we shouldn’t lock both of these guys down.
Right. I don't want to hear about being outbid. There's no excuse for that to happaen.
There is no reason why we shouldn’t lock both of these guys down.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Nope
This should be the perfect example of why we have been so far under the cap the past however many years: Resign our own, badass talent.
Sad to even be talking about this
I know it happens but man….smh……You need Carr. The Draft is always a guess. You never know if someone is going to be good or a bust. This guy is proven right now and in his prime? Pay him and get over the strategy crap.
You have to tag Carr if you can't resign him.
He’s too talented to let walk with the depth we have. He cannot be replaced easily with this current team. His only replacement can be a top draft pick. As far as Bowe, If we were to lose him, it would hurt. But we could hide his loss easier with guys currently under contract. Plus with Cassel throwing…….
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
Exactly
as much as I love Bowe, there are other options that will be out there that can easily fill the hole left by him (Jackson, Colston, Lloyd, etc). Unless Jalil Brown is ready to rock, Carr will be hard to replace anytime soon.
I would almost shocked if Carr isn't the guy we franchise.
There’s just too many good, big time WRs hitting the open market which should either keep Bowes demands lower or offer up plenty of replacements. Also Bowe’s talking lately like he’s just waiting for the longterm deal with us to get done like it could happen any week now and he expects it to.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
yep
Of the 2, Carr is more likely to be tagged
I think both get signed, though
by stagdsp on Feb 9, 2012 11:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm half expecting to hear about Bowe within the week.
And Carr I would think will get franchised and signed before the season like Hali did. Id bet Carr doesn’t want another one year tender so once tagged he’ll be negotiating in better faith. Another advantage of franchising Carr is if you’re going to tag and trade someone Carr is going to get you more in return.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Great Point
No way that Carr (or Bowe for that matter) walks out of KC, leaving us empty-handed. If either one goes to another team, it’ll because KC franchised & traded him. Personally, I suspect and hope that we re-sign both, but the worst case scenario in my book is that one of the two gets franchised and traded (think Matt Cassel deal with NE, without Vrabel).
Bowe and Carr
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Yes, I’m nervous about what might happen, but I still see one getting a long term deal and the other getting franchised. Both will be in KC in 2012 and beyond.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 9, 2012 11:20 AM CST reply actions
All you have to do is sign one.
I don’t see either holding out if getting the franchise tag. Carr will make more in one year with a franchise tag then he has his whole career.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 9, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Since Crennel is a defensive guy
I think he’ll push for Carr over Bowe. Obviously the decision will come down to Pioli, but I think he’ll have Crennel in his ear about Carr.
Also, I think most of us are nervous because we're
Royals fans as well…. and every time we get a good player, they leave and sign for more money than we can offer. At least there’s a cap in football.
Yes
And because we lost Donnie Edwards. That hurt too.
by PrairieSchooner on Feb 9, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Another take
is folks know how Pioli let Asante Samuel walk.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 9, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
If we resign Carr like we should,
we would have the best secondary for years to come… and for that reason, I think we end up re-signing him
Flowers vs Carr for the $$$
Hahaha love where this is going!?!?!?!
Well compare the 2 almost the same stats…
But Flowers has more tackles PassDef and INT’s and INT’s for TD’s…
Crazy that Flowers didn’t start every game in his career like Carr but has more.
But since they mostly play Flowers Right side and Carr Left of the QB’s facing them. That means Flowers will match up against the #1 WR 75-90% of the time.
Wild conspiracy theory but...
What are the chances that Carr and Bowe both agreed to one another to not sign a long-term deal so that one of them would hit free agency?
Maybe they had an idea on which one would get tagged if they didn’t and that guy was more open to staying in KC anyways.
Twitter - @bkissel7
I dont think they plan together not to sign for reasons you are suggesting.
They both know they will be paid pretty good no matter where they are. They both know they dont have to sign with any team the dont want. Even if they get tagged, I cant see the chiefs letting them play that out without trading or signing them longterm to a deal they want.
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
If one signs the other is tagged, for certain
If one wants out for sure and absolutely doesn’t want to get tagged. You think there’s no chance that could have been brought up?
What if Carr 100% doesn’t want to return, but he knows if Bowe signs long-term he’s getting tagged. You think he might not bring it up, or his agent?
Twitter - @bkissel7
Maybe
I personally dont think its that deep, but I could be wrong..I think they both would rather stay and its just a money issue at this point… Negotiations take a while and I think people are more or less jumping to conclusions at this point
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
This is what happens with no new news....mind wanders :)
I still think these kinds of discussions happen around the league, just not sure if it leads to influencing actual decisions.
Twitter - @bkissel7
Lebron/Wade /Bosh did it in almost same kinda way
always possible
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
HIT!
Boom Bip with a brother named Tip and we’re ready to flip
East coast stompin, rippin and rompin
New York, North Cak-a-laka, and Compton
Checka-checka-check it out!
The loops for the troops, more bounce to the ounce
And wow how now wow how now Brown cow
We’re ill till the skill gets down
For the flex, next, it’s the textbook old to the new
but the rest are doo-doo
From radio, to the video, to Arsenio
Tell me! Yo, what’s the scenario
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
by severn58 on Feb 9, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for ATCQ w/LotNS
fuckin love that song
by Ochophosphate on Feb 9, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Too much of a gamble.
The only slight advantage Pioli has right now is both guys are tag worthy so if neither wants to be tagged they have to negotiate in good faith. From the way Bowe talks he seems like the easier contract to hammer out but Carr has been upset with a one year deal before and probably wouldn’t be thrilled with another so he might take a little less money because of that.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
maybe... but when these guys are less than a month away from free agency, why would you sign a long term deal now unless you are getting above market value?
Test the waters and get teams into a bidding war to drive up their value.
Because one of you is going to get tagged
And players don’t like one year deals so they’ll take a bit less to avoid it. 25M$ guaranteed is better then 9M$.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
On the open market the money isn't going to be all that different
Maybe a million or two in guaranteed money? Probably less, especially in a bidding war. No one wants to take a franchise tag at 9M$ with the risk of injury or drop in ability and leave a big chunk of guaranteed money on the table.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 9, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I doubt it
He and Bowe have a level of camraderie along with Flowers(painting their shoes red and getting fines), it wouldnt make sense for either to lose that and end up playong against each other at some point
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Im all for keeping both
But if I had to choose, I would have to keep Carr, I mean, if bowe is gone, then we better make a play for blackmon from OkSt.
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 9, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions
No good reason not to keep both.
Hell we probably have to pay both just to get in line with the new cap regulations.
Pioli should have had this taken care of before the season ended. Yet again he proves himself a moron and sits on his hands while the rest of the league circles like vultures.
I’m really starting to hate this guy.
You honestly think they weren't trying to work something out before the end of the season?
that’s asinine. It’s called negotiation which requires a little give and take from both sides and it doesn’t just happen overnight.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 9, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
The other guys they've resigned didn't drag into the off season.
The closer this gets to the opening of free agency the more likely these guys will test the market. There’s no mystery among GM types what certain players will get on the market. If Pioli would offer 95% of that, they’d be signed by now. But no, instead of putting all of their attention toward raiding other teams rosters, plus knowing exactly how much money you have to work with, Pioli will let this drag on and have to deal with both.
If he loses either guy, it proves he’s a fricken moron!
I don't see that happening
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Carr is a beast
He may not be a ball hawk but he is still growing into and can go toe to toe with the best more often the not.
Pay the man a Flowers-sized contract and play him, opportunities like this dont cone around very often.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Even if Manning wasnt going to get cut and we could trade
I wouldnt want to trade Carr and Bowe for him.. Long term, we would be making a mistake
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
If your going after Payton
He would be the key on both of them signing back on with the Chief’s. Who knows but Bowe and Carr won’t sign till after the deadline or if Peyton comes to town.
He'd be crazy not to take advantage
…of this situation and while he is good he isn’t THAT good to break the bank. I think a 2nd round pick replaces him a Minnifield or Gilmore
by FrankPitts on Feb 9, 2012 11:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Picks take time to develop
Carr already knows how the rest of the secondary play… To start over and use a draft pick on an unknown wouldnt be smart.. I thought rebuilding through the draft means you re-sign the guys that actually can play.. To keep going back to step one over and over doesnt make sense
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Not nervous yet - give me some time
I like Carr and want to keep him, same for Bowe. Won’t start to freak out till we get a little closer to FA.
Looking at that list… damn I’d like to have Carl Nicks inside with Asamoah and Hudson…. maul city. We’d have to keep a big RB just to run up the gut behind those monsters.
Do you guys think Carr will sign a bigger contract than Flowers?
If so… I’m sure that will piss off Flowers :(
That could be the hold up
Carrs agent maybe asking for money bigger then flowers got.. If Pioli gave it to him, he would have issues.. Thats a good question
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Nah Flowers is a leader in the 2ndary
Berry was making more then him as a rookie allowing the most TDs and he re-signed here.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
I mean...
do you really not follow the potential issue? or are you just being cute.
You do not base personnel decisions on hurting the feelings of another player
Especially another player that is locked into a long term deal.
bullshit
You dont give your number 2 corner more money then your 1.. You do that, you will piss off quite a few players in the locker room, including the number 1… I am not saying some decisions you make are going to please everyone, and they shouldnt, but it is in the minds of these football GMs about what the outcome might be of certain moves
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Bullshit right back at you
We don’t have a #1 or #2 CB
We have a LCB and RCB.
There isn’t a depth chart with Flowers #1 and Carr #2. Many believe that Carr is better than Flowers, possibly the Chiefs front office does, IDK.
Again, in no way should Flowers’ ‘feelings’ be a part of this decision. Flowers is locked up, and getting paid well, honestly I could care less about his feelings.
by kcsno56 on Feb 9, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Nicely said.
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
95% of the time
the #1 WR will line up on the right side of the QB. The #1 CB (Flowers) lines up in front of that guy.
Thats not true at all
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not nearly as much as you think
matchups can dictate that Carr be on the bigger receiver no matter where they line up. Doesn’t matter if that is the #1 or #2 or whatever.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
You know what I meant when I said #1 and # 2
Whether his feelings are part of their thinking is beyond me and you. But for you to say that isnt a part of re-signing player (making sure it isnt effecting others) is wrong. Its a part just like other factors
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Flowers had been looked at as our best CB, Carr being in second
and for everyone saying Carr is better, that just started this year. Though he gives flowers a run for his money, Flowers is still better IMO..
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Carr is better at covering the man, and Flowers is better at breaking on the ball. But other than that there is no difference in eachothers talent level.
So you realize that it is your opinion that Flowers is better?
While many feel the other way?
With that in mind, and the fact we have no #1 CB in terms of a depth chart…sorry, but that pretty much voids your argument.
Many feel the other way?
this just happened… If it was between keeping flowers or Carr, it would be hard pressed to find more people wanting Carr.. Carr might of had a better year, to some people, but that doesnt all of a sudden put him over flowers.
Ok, we dont have a #1 or #2.. you win… Teams not putting players feelings into the mix while re-signing or drafting players, you lose.
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Nah,
I win on both accounts. Thanks for playing though.
if you feel that way
this is coming from a guy who doesnt think politics have their part in football
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
sad but true
players feelings play a part of this game.. Like it or not.. As bullshit as it is, it happens
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I never said politics don't play a part of football
I said paying when negotiating a contract with Carr, the feelings of Flowers are inconsequential.
He was better then Flowers last year
People were to infatuated with the first three games to notice he fell of significantly, Carr meanwhile stayed completely solid the whole year.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
that is 1 year.. Flowers has been better every other year. That makes Carr better? Cassel has had better years then great QBs, that make him better?
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Last year
And the year before, i meant to say 2010 not this actual last year.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
2010
i remember Carr blowing plenty of coverages and dropping anything that hit his hand..I recalled another story
by TheScreenName on Feb 9, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Then you remember wrong
Flowers was the one getting beat horribly, and was seriously inconsistent after the first three games. Hell Flaaco pretty much ignored Carr during the playoff game and just kept targeting Flowers.
Carr was rated top 10 as a corner for that year, Flowers missed the cut.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Dude just wants to get paid
I don’t think players get jealous over each other’s contracts. If Carr gets more than Flowers, wouldn’t be by a whole lot any way.
This will be very interesting 2 weeks.
Either Bowe or Carr will get the franchise tag. I am real curious to see which one does. My instict is that they may be able to sign Carr long term, but I really think Bowe will either be franchised or will walk. I think he will want more money than he is worth. He is going to want Andre Johnson Larry Fitz money, and he is not worth it.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Lose one...shame on them
lose both…shame on Pioli
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
Unless one of them comes out and says they didn't want to be here
Or they were willing to take less money to play elsewhere, if we lose either I’m blaming Pioli/Clark.
What kind of money is Bowe worth, and what will he want.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
What kind of money is Bowe worth, and what will he want.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
What kind of money is Bowe worth, and what will he want.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
I think he is gone unless he is franchised.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Are you saying he'll want more than he's worth?
Possible. But will he get offered more than he’s worth from someone else?
This franchise simply has no excuse to let their best players walk in FA when they have spouted for years that this is the reason they have been so cheap.
I think he will want top 3 WR money. I don't know if he is worth it.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
I honestly don't care what he wants
I care what someone else is willing to pay him. I doubt anyone else pays him top 3 WR money.
In fact, I’d be shocked.
I think he wants to find out, so he will not sign before the start of free agency.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
That's ok with me
Not ideal, but ok. We should be able to beat whatever is offered considering our cap position and need.
Would I pay him top 3 money? No. But no one else will either.
I hope that is the case.
I worry someone might.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
There's absolutely no excuse to lose either one
We all know they won’t make any high profile signings in free agency. What else to spend money on besides draft picks (which are cheaper than before)?
If they play hard-ball, so be it. Just pay them. Both players are integral to this team and we’d be taking a step back by losing either one.
There’s nothing else to save the money for. If Pioli doesn’t get both then he’s failing as a GM.
I love Bowe and Carr, want to see the both be succesful, would LOVE to keep them both.
That said, I think that Carr RAC makes Carr look good. If he walks somehow I doubt that he will look ‘as good’ with his new team. Something about the way RAC coaches his Defense to get the ‘most’ out of his guys.
Bowe…If I could only keep one of the two, it would be Bowe…beacuse we are struggleing more on O then D right now and he is NEEDed more.
That said, Pioli needs to lock them both up to long term, team AND player freindly deals. Send the message that if you perform for this team as a player, you WILL get paid (and well).
Gunther Cunningham Fing with KC AGAIN
I believe that GC has talked to a couple of our players and promised them a SB ring and tons of Money. Maybe when Detroit Lions kicked KC butt all over the field was a way of Carr proving it that he was coming….lol
Nah
I dont think that Brandon Carr was the reason the Lions scored so many points. If you look at the game Brandon Flowers was the one burned up and down the field by Megatron, plus KC’s D-Line was horrible in that game. I seriously doubt that the Lions can even afford him. Nice try though.
You can't promise guys a Super Bowl ring
That’s not how it works
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Carr is gone
Pioli will offer him a middle of the road type deal so he can say hey we tried but a handful of other teams will offer him huge deals and he’ll be gone. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was Detroit.
Pay the man!
Pay both Carr and Bowe for the love of God. They made a mistake by letting Jared Allen go. I don’t care about how he wanted out. They should have made their wrongs right and did whatever it took to keep him in KC. Do not make the same mistake with these 2, please.
When life gives you lemons, take them to wal-mart and get something that you really want or need. They will take anything back, receipt or not.
by Tim Marcus Ferrell on Feb 9, 2012 12:16 PM CST reply actions
Fuck Jared Allen.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 9, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
He is a beast. Imagine him and Tamba destroying QB’s. I know it’s the past and I know that Houston is coming into his own, but one can dream of what could have been.
When life gives you lemons, take them to wal-mart and get something that you really want or need. They will take anything back, receipt or not.
by Tim Marcus Ferrell on Feb 9, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Allen would have a rough time playing 3-4 OLB
His natural playing weight is higher than Hali’s (or Houston’s)
When he was a rookie he was closer in size to where Hali is now, and he was fast but had difficulty in run defense so we asked him to put on some weight
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
We got Albert and Charles for Allen
A rare deal that worked out well for both teams.
I’d take that trade again in a heartbeat.
Twitter - @bkissel7
I agree too
I was just day dreaming about what those 2 would be like on the same team now
When life gives you lemons, take them to wal-mart and get something that you really want or need. They will take anything back, receipt or not.
by Tim Marcus Ferrell on Feb 9, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Carr is the truth!! Has improved every year since he’s been here, and he’s better than Flowers! Pioli better get it done!! No excuses!
by Chiefsallday25 on Feb 9, 2012 12:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Pay Carr... Dispose of Bowe
Bowe is way more inconsistent at the WR position than Carr is at DB. Plus, KC’s defense is the part of the team that is doing well. Bowe has dropped so many passes that could have made a difference that as a Chiefs fan I am tired of seeing him play.
If the defense is playing better than the offense why would create another hole in the offense? That doesn’t make much sense. If anything the defense is better-equipped to lose a guy like Carr than the offense to lose a guy like Bowe.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Write this one in the books….Jonathan Baldwin WILL produce more in his career than Bowe will. Plus his hands stick to the ball they dont slide off like Bowe’s.
I remember a Cassel interception on a certain Monday Night game...
It hit Baldwin in the gloves and slid into…Jammer’s(?) hands
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Feb 9, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Okay I'm in...Lets play this I remember game!!!
I REMEMBER….a game between the Chiefs and Oakland on Dec. 24, 2011 against Oakland. Now understand, if the Chiefs would have won this game they would have made the playoffs because they ended up beating Denver the following week. The Chiefs ended up losing to Oakland 16-13 in O.T. In this loss, your beloved Bowe dropped a touchdown pass that hit him in the numbers. If he catches that ball we are in the playoffs, but he didnt so beating Denver was for nothing more than pride
If you aint first...you're last!!!
You're basing that off a rookie season
That was about 1/100th as good as Bowe’s?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
And who happened to be the clown throwing to him that rookie season?
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
Cassel/Palko/Orton
And it’s not like he suddenly came on when Orton (who is better than Huard/Croyle/Thiggy, the guys Bowe had) took the helm.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
He doesnt separate very well
But hes shown that hell catch the ball if you throw it in his direction whether covered or not, that catch on Dawkins was a thing of beauty i wish it wasnt called back die to a stupid penalty.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Lol when I said rookie season, I meant Bowe's
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
Bowe is the best WR in Chiefs' history
You’re saying that Baldwin will surpasse him based on last year?
Twitter - @bkissel7
Otis Taylor would disagree with you
And I would as well. You can’t go just off of yards receiving, eras were completely different.
But I agree with your premise, thinking Baldwin will be better than Bowe at this point is rather ridiculous.
He mat disagree
But he doesnt have the stats with horrible QBs to make an argument
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
You don't simply compare stats from the 60's and stats from 2010 as apples for apples
Otherwise, Len Dawson wouldn’t have a prayer to be in the HOF. He was a 57% passer.
by kcsno56 on Feb 9, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bowe was the Chiefs only offense this year.
One of the most exciting players on our team. Has lead our team in TD’s the past two years outside of QB play.
I am tired of seeing him play.
Just ridiculous.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 9, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
YES!
Let’s get rid of our only 1k yard receiver who has had QBs such as Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle, Matt Cassel, and TYLER PALKO! We don’t need that 1k yard production! Or his TDs!!!!! DISPOSE OF HIM!!!!
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Feb 9, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Oh his FIVE touchdowns. Thats not a whole lot to lose. I understand the quarterback situations definitly havent been favorable but Jabar Gaffney had 6TDS and less than a 1k yards thrown from QB Rex Grossman. Even though Huard, Thigpen, and Cassel are definitly not the greatest QBs it does take some skill to play in the NFL. I just dont see how five touchdowns is tough to lose
By that argument, who needs Jamaal Charles?
TD’s are not all that matters when judging a player.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
And even if they were
Didn’t he JUST come off a 15 or 16 TD season?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
We scored the lowest amount of points in a season in franchise history
I blame the whole offense for that lack of production…and yes he had like 16 TDs last season so what about that?
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
After going through that CBS rankings of the top 50 FA...
I don’t see how we’re going to keep Carr unless he wants to stay :(
It Depends on Who Pioli Thinks he can draft a replacement for
We have a first round pick that will get us an immediate starting OG or OT.
And it is pretty likely we can still improve either OG or OT in the second round as well.
We probably are too low to get one of the 2 WR who would start right away.
We may have a shot at one of the “Large” CB who can start right away.
If Pioli thinks he can get Kirkpartick, he will probably tag Bowe and let Carr go with the flow.
I think I'd rather have Carr
More even keeled, taller, skills are roughly equivalent.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 9, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I pick Carr
I believe Carr is more skilled and also won’t cost the team in costly penalties.
by O.C.ChiefsFan on Feb 9, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Not only is Courtland not that good
he’s kind of a bitch too.
I think Carr is gone
Reason 1: He wants to win
Reason 2: Pioli and Hunt are too tight to pay him
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 9, 2012 1:46 PM CST reply actions
See: Hali, Charles, DJ, Flowers, Cassel
Your argument is invalid
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think Bowe is gone before Carr is
See the two retorts above ^^
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Hopefully Pioli realizes he just has to sign one by mid-March
Get at least one long term deal done, and slap that tag on the other.
Oh, my bad
I didn’t realize we played in the bg game last week.
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 9, 2012 1:54 PM CST reply actions
Are some of those things
Pioli is the best gm in the league,Matt cassell is the best qb and Daboll is a proven winner?
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 9, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
No, some of those things are the fact
that not everyone makes the Super Bowl every year. The fact that our young talent is starting to put things together. The fact that we easily CAN be winners if we resign our home grown talent.
Stuff like that. It’s ok though. Maybe you should take a brain break for awhile.
If the team could " easily" become winners,
Why hasn’t it happened in my lifetime?
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 9, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Because Carl Peterson was the GM?
(just guessing…I don’t know when your lifetime began)
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
What does that have to do with anything
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 9, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
I has to do with playing for a winner
On one hand you have the Chiefs, sure they show they have a chance to be decent. On the other hand you have any of this last seasons playoff teams (excluding the broncos),and they are offering you the same money. Who are you going to sign with?
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 9, 2012 2:02 PM CST reply actions
If Carr leaves & isn't overpaid by an absurd amount
It’ll be Pioli’s equivalent of playing Tyler Palko for four games. I’ll lose all my belief in the guy.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Oh shit!
I didn’t realize Pioli was coach :-\
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I love how every wrong decision is blamed on Pioli
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Truth Be Told...
Brandon Carr’s ceiling higher than Flowers…QBs target Flowers more than Carr due to his size but both of em tough…SECONDARY THE BEST IN THE NFL…Lewis better, Berry is Berry so its gon be trouble for teams tryin to throw that pig skin
WARNING: VISITORS...DO NOT SWIM IN THE RED SEA
by JustaArrowheadDude on Feb 9, 2012 3:04 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Everyone signed, everyone health =
Best secondary in the NFL. For YEARS! Bottom line, Carr is more important than Bowe, and is also more of a danger of leaving. Lock that shit up.
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