Some Chiefs Fans Coming Around On Brian Daboll Hire
by Joel Thorman on Feb 9, 2012 8:02 AM CST
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PrintWhen we first heard that the Kansas City Chiefs had hired Brian Daboll as offensive coordinator, we ran an approval poll asking readers to vote on whether they approved of the move. The initial poll wasn't met with very good results for Daboll -- 20 percent approved of the move, 37 percent did not approve and 41 percent were not sure.
But that poll came with very little information on the guy. We noticed some fans warming up to Daboll's hire in the following days so yesterday we ran another poll asking readers if they approved of the Daboll hire.
The numbers are a little better this time around with about half of the do not approve folks switching to approve. The results: 39 percent approve, 19 percent do not approve and 40 percent aren't sure.
So now that we have some more information on the hire a few people are coming around but that's still not a great approval number. We'll have to wait until September to see if Daboll can change the initial reaction of a lot of Chiefs fans.
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Sometimes we have a unrealistic sense that we know more about football than our front office and coaching staff. Hind sight is always 20/20. We have a young and experienced coach, who may be just what we needed to get offense going. Time will tell.
I believe many of us here...
have played enough Madden in franchise mode through the years to know exactly how this team should be run.
by RA_ChiefsFan on Feb 9, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
ha
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I win the Super Bowl every year.
I must know something.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 9, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd work with Cassel
If it got me a fat paycheck. Hell, I’d work with Palko for an NFL OC paycheck.
I'm willing to cut the guy some slack, after all, he wasn't impressed with Colt McCoy.
Ten points in my book!
Daboll will be a good OC for us.
Too many people are caught up in stats at previous stops. Many times it isn’t the chef, but the crappy ingredients that spoils the meal. Miami started to get it going and Cleveland just had crap to work with. Our offense can be a little more explosive than those two.
I have a srong feeln
That our offense is going to be gud and If I can say this, I think that daboll has something to prove and what othr place then too start with us! He can say all he wants but I know he hears all tht crap ppl are sayn about him, it has to light a fire under him, I hope.
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 9, 2012 8:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Daboll deserves a chance to prove himself.
As for making the proverbial chicken salad…
There’s this:
Written by six women imprisoned in Texas, the recipes can be made from basic items a prisoner can purchase from their commissary
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
haha ... great link!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Bad move
Another year of Cassell and screen interceptions like in the Charger game
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 9, 2012 8:42 AM CST reply actions
Lol
It is soooo funny to hear ppl bag on cassel, I mean come on, theres nothn we can do about it but root for our team!
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 9, 2012 8:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
exactly!
I forgot the good times when Cassel took us to 10-6 and the playoffs.
Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"
I've already accepted the fact
that we are going with Cassel in 2012, so I might as well hope for the best.
Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"
"The Team"
Made the playoffs…NOT Matt Cassel!
Argument to be made that
Dwayne Bowe, Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry, Tamba Hail….
…wait, yea, the TEAM made the playoffs
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
I agree...
I’m not taking sides on Matt Cassel being the answer. Believe me, I would rather have Orton or Stanzi out there. BUT if Cassel is going to be behind center what are we going to do? I’m still a Chiefs fan no matter who is QB. Would I want someone else at QB? Hell yes. Is that going to happen, probably not. Luckily we will have excellent outlets for Cassel to LEAN on to get the job done i.e. the Killer B’s, Charles, Moeaki, McClain (I hope) DMC…..etc
Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"
Skepticism is a good thing:
Prove us skeptics wrong.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
The move just shows more of the same to me
What will we say when FA has passed again and we’re 20 million under the cap and still have bad depth? The only way I will be pleased is if they resign Carr and Bowe and pick up at least one starter for the O-line in FA.
what does the OC hiring have to do with Free Agency?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
It's just how I feel overall about the team
I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think he can be the guy to turn the offense around. I would’ve much rather had someone that has proven that they know how to run the offense.
Everything about our team since Vermeil left has reeked of settling for less. Not enough depth, not trying hard enough to develop or find a good QB, etc. I understand not breaking the bank in free agency but our secondary and o-line depth has been terrible for a while. The GM can overrule the coach on a hire if he wants to.
Carr, Flowers, Berry, and Lewis
Would like to have a word with you. If we can get these 4 healthy it is a pretty solid secondary….maybe one of the best in the league. Now we need some depth at the safety positions.
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
I love our starters
but we saw too much of McGraw, Langford, and Washington last year. And O-line has virtually no depth right now.
You're pretty quick to jump to conclusions
Pioli has only been here for 3 seasons. He inherited a team with pathetic depth. I’d take the team we have now over the team Pioli inherited any day.
Nick Barnett was on NFL Network yesterday (or maybe it was Tuesday and it was a replay) and he mentioned the same thing about his own team. The GM there has only been there for 2 seasons and it takes time to build depth. They had some severe injuries that slowed them down, and they lacked depth behind starters.
A GM can’t come in and snap his fingers and all of a sudden depth is there. It takes time. What will you say if FA passes and we sign some depth players and maybe even a few starters? I’ll be looking for your posts.
Agreed with this...
Also I personally don’t believe you can buy quality depth without hurting the future of your team. There are only a few positions we don’t have a legitimate starter (RT, NT, ILB, QB). You don’t hand out big FA contracts for second string players. Most FA want to be a starter not a backup. QB you would have trouble finding something better than Cassel in free agency…teams just don’t get rid of elite QB’s. There were a few RT and NT prospects last year but you have to remember the Richardson had a pretty decent year with the help from Moeaki. We offered Shaun Rodgers more money but he choose the Saints over us. I don’t remember any real strong RT prospects except for the guy from the Broncos Harris I think. Bottomline is that depth is built through the draft not Free Agency and we are finally getting to the point where we aren’t drafting starters.
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by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
yup ... still a starter (DeCastro) or two (Cody Glenn) to grab in the draft but this is true ... we've come quite a ways
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I expect a pretty big emphasis on the Oline this year.
It appears to be the next in line. With that said it wouldn’t surprise me to bring in competition FA (Not big names) on the oline and continue to draft a lineman or two in the 2nd and 3rd each year. I think if we continue that we will have a dominate oline with dominate depth for the future.
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by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
yup
and of course, sometimes you hit (Asamoah) and sometimes you miss (Colin Brown) … I think this year we absolutely need to hit a homerun (DeCastro) and go from there
if we do, and find a RT in 2nd, I think we’ll be looking good for a long time to come
Secondary is looking damned good (need to re-sign Carr) and LB group looks very solid overall, Soliai is one of a very few FA’s on my wish list for Defense
slowly we’re getting there, a few more key guys here and there and we can be pretty damned good both sides of the ball
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I don't think we need to break the bank to improve our depth
We could draft a couple guys but we need to bring in a couple of decent backups in FA as well. After the first few weeks of FA there are usually quality players to be had that won’t cost as much as you pay starters.
Regardless, we’ll see soon how committed Pioli is re-signing our core players.
I think that is big thing....
If Pioli finds a way to sign Bowe and Carr and next year Albert. I just wondering we are willing to pay top 5 money for those players. Part of me says spend the money, but the other part of me questions if they are worth it.
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
those 2 you named are absolutely worth the money
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Wait till September?
Try December.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
come on, Buck
we can be judgmental long before then ;-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I upgraded from "do not approve" to "not sure"
based almost solely on the fact that he wants our offense to “attack” (his word). That’s something we haven’t seen in almost a decade.
Also, because he's not a position coach (in addition to OC)
Though I don’t thin it’s necessarily a bad thing, it has been a common denominator in several years of mediocre Chiefs offenses.
by independent739 on Feb 9, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
I'm glad you said "seen" in your second sentence. I'm sure saying we're going to attack is the MO of every offense coordinator though
It’s one thing to say it, it’s another to figure out how to do it. I don’t think Muir/Haley/Zorn’s plan was to lay down and run 3 plays, punt and then let the defence try to score on a turnover
Its wasn't the plan until Muir fell asleep
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Daboll is just relatively unknown
Sure, he wasn’t the sexy pick. I’m not sure anybody out there really was a sexy pick. However, I’ve yet to see any football writers knock the Chiefs for the hire. Most everyone says he’s a great, young offensive mind. He fits the same description as Josh McDaniels without the drama.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 9, 2012 8:57 AM CST via Android app reply actions
this would have been a sexy pick ...
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Another one Pioli get away.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
you must have missed the one that said Daboll offence averaged only 6.6 yds more a game than the Chiefs
and the Chiefs were without Charles and Moeki and started Palko 3 games. They said they were setting the bar low with the hire or something to that effect
LIMBO!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
You must have missed the part that said Matt Moore was his starter
We weren’t the only ones suffering injury to our number one starters.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 9, 2012 9:08 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
No, Matt Moore is a good QB. Did you see him in Carolina in 2009?
in 2009 in Carolina he started 5 games, had a QB rating of 98.5, 61.6% completion percentage, 7.6 yd/attempt 8 TD : 2 INT. Daboll didn’t do anything magical with Moore last year. His numbers were better in 2009 under a different OC in Carolina
well... he played 7 games instead of 5... so 8 TDs don't look as good...
Also, he was on pace for like 2400 yards…hardly note worthy.
I said 5 starts, he appeared in 7 games (according to NFL.com)
if you want to use your 8 number, he only attempted 138 passes or 17 passes/game in your scenario. Double that if you want to project it over a 16 game season where a typcial QB would average 34 passes a game and you’d get 4800 yards
THIS JUST IN FOLKS! BREAKING NEWS!
MATT MOORE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE A 4800 PASSING YARD QB
HAHAHAHA
I'm just projecting the numbers upwards the way you're trying to diminish 5 starts downwards
I’m just saying Daboll didn’t work any miracles with Matt Moore last year to turn him into a great QB. He’s had better seasons elsewhere. Has better potential than anyone currently on the Chiefs roster at QB
You can't just take his pass attemps and double them because other QB's pass more
His has that few of pass attempts because he’s awful and cant pass. figure it out dude.
ALSO
if Matt Moore was a good QB…why has he been a life long backup? Why would they start Chad Henne in front of him?
maybe for the same reason that Cassel
was a backup in college and in the pros until Brady got hurt. And then got traded here. Where he’s had no competition.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
sitting behind Tom Brady
is different than sitting behind Chad Henne
But riding the bench at USC
is not
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
You must have missed the part where yards don't mean much...scoring does.
Miami averaged a touchdown more per game than the Chiefs this year.
Miami: 20.5
Chiefs: 13.25
and… we’ll have SO much more talent next year than this year playing.
WOW! It's Amazing
How many fence sitters there are here on AP!
I don’t like it…wait, yes I do…huh??? What was the question again?
Pick a side and stick to your guns!
Totally.
We should totally decide whether or not Daboll was a good hire before he’s even coached a game. Very logical.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Looks like we need another poll next week.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I would have been more impressed if Crennel/Pioli (whichever one you believe calls the shots) hadn't picked the obvious guy with a Patriots connection
Crennel says Daboll was the first guy they offered the job to, but how many people were denied interviews from their previous team or just plain declined before an offer was made after meeting with the team? Not that there are many great candidates available but someone that wasn’t mentioned in the Patriot Way book I could have got behind and gave them the benefit of the doubt because he wouldn’t have been perceived to have been hired soley on who he knew, but on qualifications. Daboll? seems like everything else that’s been wrong with the organization since Pioli started bringing his own guys in here. I like Romeo as DC, but over a full season I don’t know if the players will put in as much effort as they did when he was named the interim coach at the end of this past season.
Are you saying a GM shouldn't bring in his own guys?
That just doesn’t make sense on so many levels. To be successful a GM needs to bring in his own guys and mix in new guys that have the same philosophy and goals. It appears to be exactly what Pioli is doing. Did you know only 5 out of our current 16 coaches has ties to the Patriots? Romeo Crennel, Maurice Carthon, Brian Daboll, Anthony Pleasant, Otis Smith…Let’s not act like these coaches aren’t well respected in the league and have had many different stops also. Did you know currently we only have 3 formal Patriots players on the roster? This illusion of us being the Patriots West is getting pretty old.
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is what I find absolutely hilarious
If a coach was a water boy for the Patriots when he was a kid…. Chiefs fans/media would still find a way to call it a Patriot connection.
by Brad-KC on Feb 9, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Im reserving judgement
initially I was pissed…the Patriot connection..AGAIN…and it seems like a “yes man” hire….his 22nd, 27th, and 29th offensive rankings dont do much for me either…..but ive decided to wait and see how things pan out…this year
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Another question... why does everyone bitch about trying to mimick the Patriots?
If we only accomplish HALF of what NE has done over the past decade…I’d be ecstatic.
Since 2001:
3 SB wins
5 SB appearances
9 Playoff appearances
I mean come on…
Could you please enlighten the rest of us on what the Patriots connections have done in the NFL away from Brady/Belichick?
This would include Mangini, Crennel, McDaniels. Also Weis, Daboll, etc if you want to include coordinators. How many have been lasted more than 3 years in one place? How many play-off wins?
It appears the Chiefs are more off the Parcells tree than the Belichick tree...
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Really? Is this to get Belichick to fall under the Parcells umbrella to make Pioli's group look better? Haley was a Parcells guy
Haley brought in the Parcells connections. Pioli has brought in the Belichick connections
Also
you hire guys based on their potential. If there is a Belicheck guy or Parcells guy available… why would you not look at him? Those are some of the best coaches in the history of the NFL..and if they hired them originally… then there must be something there they liked.
NO wants a Norv Turner guy.
Well lets look at History here...
Crennel, Pleasant, Cathon, Wies, Smith, and Haley all worked for Parcells
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
BTW this was before they worked under Belichick
So if anything we should be telling Pioli to get out of trying to do things the Parcells way not the Belichick way. If you are going to complain about something at least do it with the correct information.
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 9, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Sure
Mangini didn’t work out.
Crennel got promoted to HC of the awful Browns… good luck winning there. Then went to KC and turned their defense around and is now their head coach. In 2011, he was interim coach for the Chiefs where he created a perfect game plan to beat the undefeated Packers, giving them their only loss in the regular season.
McDaniels busted at HC but found his way back as OC for the Patriots
Weis…got Matt Cassel to the pro bowl then stopped coaching in the NFL.
Daboll (who got his first OC job at 34) started getting into his groove in Miami. Now a promising OC for the Chiefs.
In the end, not every coach works out…and they’re all taking a step up from their positions they had with the Patriots…which takes time to work out as well.
you're right, Brad ... the Patriots Way is the Only Way
so, we’re getting Tom Brady, right?
ok, seriously … there’s more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to run and build a football team … the Patriots have indeed been very successful, but so have other teams and other coaches (NY Giants ring a bell? Steelers? Niners?)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah, they've been kind a big thing, in that dynasty kind of way. Look it up.
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by electriclight on Feb 9, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
The discussion is about coaching/team success since
the 2000’s. Where all of these current coaches are coming from.
If you can’t keep up, don’t reply to me.
Also, i'm not saying the Patriot way is the only way
but if there was a way to copy… it’s definitely not a BAD one…
I mean... at least we're not saying
Ohhh man, not another Tampa Bay connection.
im willing to give the man a chance, why not?
as for the pioli poll im about to vote on…
NO SIR
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Dolphin fan here
I like Daboll he brung explosive plays to Miami as you can see on plays 20 yards or more. Wasn’t predictable on certain downs and he called the right plays on certain downs that just wasn’t executed by the players. Now with that being said the players on the team had a different take on Daboll and didn’t approve of the job he did here. I think not being liked by the players is a HUGE worry. I’ll post my link to the source of this information as soon as I can get to my desk
by Goon305Boy10 on Feb 9, 2012 1:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
interesting
looking forward to it
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