Third Shift Open Thread
by Chris Thorman on Feb 8, 2012 9:02 PM CST
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We are in a slow couple of weeks in terms of football news. We've got the NFL Combine coming up and....that's about it. Free agency will start in March but there isn't too much lead up to that. Thankfully, we have AP. There are always conversations happening around here, 24/7.
Speaking of conversations, this is your open thread for the evening. Use it to talk about whatever you want.
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Chad Henne
Can’t help but think that we bring in Henne to compete for a backup job. Learned the Miami offense last year from our new OC and is free to sign. NOT saying that I would like this unless he is super cheap. Would rather sign Josh Johnson. That aside, I could really see this happening.
God no, what did Orton ever do except beat a team who only had one other loss all season?
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
If the Chiefs win with that identity, I'd be happy.
Close, low scoring games aren’t the best long term recipe from my eyes though.
But that's what the Broncos did and they're the best thing ever!
You just don’t think that will work long term because Tebow’s religious.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
That model stopped working for them after a few weeks it went there way.
When your model relies on random variables, count me out.
You can still win in this league
by fielding a solid defense and controlling the ball. Sustain drives and make the most in the redzone.
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Making the most in the red zone is the key
I’m coming around on DeCastro in the first to help in this area.
good, very good to hear! :-)
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I still think 11/12 is high for him, but the more I read, the more I think he's an exception like Steve Hutchinson
Bottom line is getting talent when you draft, doesn’t really matter what the group think on value of position is.
precisely ... and the guy is dripping with talent
I love that we could plug him in immediately and have a vry young but very good OLine interior group for many years to come
DeCastro – Hudson – Asamoah
that just makes me think of the Saints OLine … only potentially even better
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I see a trend here
Your legion of brainwashed idiots followers is growing
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
I know
but I still need to infiltrate Pioli’s office figure out a way to bribe the Chiefs draft team convince a few people yet
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G-Men Recipe for Success
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That and a fearsome defensive line that can get pressure with 4 guys
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Soliai would be a nice FA grab
wonder if he and Daboll get along
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Good point and question.
If MIA goes to the 4-3 like rumored then Soliai isn’t a good fit for them there. Daboll probably has pretty good insight on him too as to how good he actually is
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
and I imagine he's pretty good ...
he’s one of very few FA’s that interest me this year
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I'm not for picking Devon Still
but I have seen alot of mocks where people think the Chiefs moght go in that direction. Soliai might be expensive but offense we need to address first IMO
not bad for all the passing he did
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I see what you did there :-)
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The Big 12 race reminds me of the AFC West race this year.
Except I didn’t write an embarrassing-in-hindsight fanpost about it this time.
One of Chiefs, Raiders, or Chargers will win the division
shudder
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
They are mathematically eliminated.
Iowa State or Kansas State are probably the Broncos of the Big 12. They’re the only ones that are even within a miracle of winning the division.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
This Kansas win puts Mizzou in a tough spot.
the game against Baylor Saturday is now a must-win. And if we don’t win at Kansas, we’ll need Kansas to drop one of their remaining games, which doesn’t seem to likely. On the other hand, Kansas isn’t exactly known for taking care of business against teams they should beat.
If Mizzou wins in Lawrence in a couple weeks, the conference is pretty much ours. And that would be awesome to go out with a sweep of Kansas in Basketball and Football and a Big 12 title.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:22 PM CST reply actions
Yeah I was trying to figure out last night what would work best
KU beating Baylor and if we could too then Baylor is toast
Baylor beating KU and then if we beat Baylor we got em both down a game
I guess MU just has to keep winning :)
It seemed pretty obvious that Baylor was the third team.
They had already gotten blown out by Kansas and lost to Mizzou at home. Personally, even before today, I didn’t really think Baylor was a team I would be scared of. If Mizzou falls off enough to let Baylor jump us, we’ll probably finish behind Kansas too.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not so sure.
If there’s one team who could choke against a Texas Tech, it’s Kansas. Or they do play at Oklahoma State two days after the play Mizzou, that could be a trap game.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
What's all this "we" talk?
Sounds like your lumping me in. KU wins TW big 12 outright. Mark my words. Happens every year. Like clockwork.
by Shank Williams Jr on Feb 8, 2012 9:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
*not, not now!
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by Shank Williams Jr on Feb 8, 2012 9:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
except when it doesn't :-)
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just keep winning, that's all it is
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Matt Cassel is going to make a great backup QB for us next year
, Cassel, Stanzi. Fill in the blank.
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nice!
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yuppers he is
but I’m not sure Pioli is driven by logic at all times
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Just pick up your trash in the hallway
and you won’t have any problems.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 8, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
damn, I need some coffee ...
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Get any more expensive coffee, and we won't be able to afford Orton's $40 mil guaranteed contract
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 10:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How do we know Orton would cost that much?
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And how in the world would you think he would cost less?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 9, 2012 12:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting stats
Cassel has nearly the same completion percentage and average comp per attempt. with 2010 and 2011. I think the difference is Jamaal Charles. I think he made Cassel look good in 2010. Well anyway its just a thought
Dexter McCluster
In 2010, Cassel's NY/A was lower than Charles' Y/C
I’m willing to bet that we are the only team to pull that off in the last 10 years.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
well hey, at least we might get some attention for SOMETHING ;-)
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We need some gnus
Sign our guys and get some news going. Without news you get your face in the toilet or hugging on a boat, ha!
Trade up for RGIII and profit
North Carolina pushed in a 3 by Duke.
That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 PM CST reply actions
So barring a collapse of another team, Mizzou and Kansas are battling for the last #1 seed.
What a way to end the conference rivalry. Hopefully Kansas will join the SEC after the Big 12 collapses.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 10:20 PM CST reply actions
ha!
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I doubt the SEC would accept Kansas but
I would not be against that move. I was hoping Kansas could somehow get into the SEC back when shit was hitting the fan last year.
by Shank Williams Jr on Feb 8, 2012 10:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
they'd lose every game in football if they were in SEC
and win almost every game in basketball
IOW nothing would really change
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Hey, we have wies and Tim grunhard now
It’s getting better…until wies leaves next year…. I’m more of a college basketball fan anyways. Would love the fact that I could go watch some of the SEC football power houses up in Lawrence though. Plus the SEC would become a great basketball conference too with kentucky, Kansas, Missouri, and florida.
by Shank Williams Jr on Feb 8, 2012 10:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A KU fan that's more into basketball than football? I've never seen one of those.
But that’s actually a good point. Football is #1, but would the SEC consider the fact that they’re not too far off from being a good basketball conference, and adding Kansas would put them over the top, even if it hurts football a little? That would allow them to be virtually guaranteed multiple title contenders in both sports.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Plus playing Kansas in football would be like a bye week for all the other SEC schools.
by Shank Williams Jr on Feb 8, 2012 10:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
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Reminds me of a PE class in high school.
Where, when making teams, the guy decided to make it even by having one girl per team, but there was one guy who sucked so bad that he was included with the girls.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Heh
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You mean a dominant football conference doesn't want a basketball school?
On the other hand, I would find it really funny if Kansas had to go to the WAC or something.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Kirk Cousins
A guy I have been checking out lately. Looks like he has some major potential in my eyes.
22-5 in last two seasons at Michigan State.
Career 65% completion percentage.
He shows good poise in the pocket. A pro style QB. He makes good solid throws.
I think he could make a very good QBOTF for someone.
How long should you try? Until.
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by Matt_Grbac on Feb 8, 2012 10:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I always put him and Stanzi as just about even.
But Stanzi is a little more of a gamer IMO. I went the the Mich St@ Neb game this year and we absolutely embarrassed that team and offense. I had heard so much about Cousins and BJ Cunningham, but they fell flat on their faces.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Every guy has their days
Just by watching him play and his mechanics. I think he has great potential. I’m not saying he is the next Brady or Manning but he could run a team one day.
He is a pure pocket passer. He examines the field and makes the throw.
He has good size and is an amazing leader. They freaking LOVE this guy….I believe he was a 3 time team captain
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by Matt_Grbac on Feb 8, 2012 10:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nebraska, when tuned up and running right, can embarass almost any team
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Oh and
BJ Cunningham didn’t play against Nebraska….or so it says on his game log. Otherwise BJ is a big WR who had 12 TD receptions.
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by Matt_Grbac on Feb 8, 2012 10:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually Cunningham did play against Neb
We just shut him down for zero catches.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=313020158
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 9, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
I'd like to know what's up with all the "hate" for Carr
way too many people who think he’s second-rate or worse and willing to give him up … he’s actually a Top 10 CB in two major statistical categories
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You ready to lock up $50 mil guaranteed in two CBs?
Or let Travis Daniels shine with a chance to start/
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 10:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
is this an Orton or Carr situation?
glad I’m not the one making any of these decisions.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
It is not.
From the numbers I’ve seen, there is no reason we can’t have both.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
And if that prevents us from signing someone like Peyton?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 10:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Then no deal.
But I don’t think Carr and Bowe will take us out of the race. I used numbers from last offseason and made some guesses to estimate where we’d be this year when making that conclusion, so I may be off if we don’t have as much space as I thought. But we should still have $20 million in space even after signing those two.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
But then we need to get Mcclain too
Maybe Gilberry, Gregg?
And like shanghai said below, what of any other free agents to be brought in? Big time, long term NT? Imo, that is MUCH more important than a second $8-10 mil a year CB.
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#44 4evah!
sorry, turned in to a little girl for a minute.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
You could argue CB is more important.
Stopping the pass is the #1 priority of a defense, so you have to consider which position does a better job at it. The Lions have a fantastic D-Line, but still struggle on defense because of a lack of good defensive backs. We seem to have a lot of good d-backs, so we might not need Carr so much. But I don’t think the answer is clear.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
how much does getting #29 back help this?
i’d love to keep him. but he’s on the bubble in my mind.
QB, RT, NT, ILB, other OL OL OL etc are NEEDS, not “awesome to haves”
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Even with #29 back
we still need to gain some depth at both safety positions.
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totally agreed
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Antonio Allen, Round 3
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I think Berry will make a world of difference.
Look at how bad the Steelers are when Polomalu is hurt. That strong safety might be the most important position on the field outside of QB.
As for NT, I don’t think we can do much. I haven’t looked too much into it, but I doubt we can find much in FA. I think our best bet is to hope Powe has developed enough.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, he's on my short list
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Didn't know this..
Soliai spend two seasons at Coffeyville Community College in Coffeyville, Kansas. He was a two-time All-Kansas Jayhawk Community College Conference offensive lineman. He earned an honorable mention All-American selection in 2002, and was a First-team junior college All-American as a sophomore in 2003.
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get it done scotty
without googling, how old is he?
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
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sold
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Walter Football has him rated as top NT FA
At 6-4, 355 pounds, Paul Soliai is a monstrous, run-stuffing nose tackle. He made $12.3 million with the franchise tag this season.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2012DT.php
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I know, he rocks
and he’s gonna be ’spensive
but he’d likely do us more good than Noodle Arm manning … and for a lot longer, too
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It would be hard to turn down Solail over Manning
And I would still go with QB over NT, but man, I want that man on my d-line (that sounded naughty)
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 9, 2012 12:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But getting to the QB is just as important
Look at the reigning super bowl champs. Questionable secondary, strong pass rush. I think a pass rush can make up for a spotty secondary berret than the other way around.
A dominant NT will only help free up pass rushers.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But why get rid of strength when you already have one?
Shouldn’t they just keep the strength as is, and work to upgrade the pass rush thru the draft?
You got it. It’s counter productive to let Carr walk. I have heard several people say we can replace him in Free Agency. Why would we want to do that?
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Its not necessarily a downgrade if the team feels Daniels can step in
Which if Carr walks, I’m betting they are leaning that direction.
This was Carr’s best season, it was during a contract year, he flashed the “pay me” sign during the season. See a trend?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get the impression
Carr is a diva. He was a D2 guy and has had to work hard to get where he is now.
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yeah, I see a trend ...
Pioli’s failure to sign Cass a year ago when he SHOULD have!
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Fair enough
But considering many were ready to see him gone up until this year (turn your head around, carr!), is it really a surprise he wasn’t signed long term? Giving him one more season under the RFA tag was the smart thing to do, and Carr has definitely used it to his advantage by raising his stock, but does the team think his rise will continue, or was it for the money? Time will tell.
Likely the same for Bowe (“Contract has got to be right”)
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
we?
maybe YOU were ready to see him gone …
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Reading skills are on par with your math skills, I see
Did I say “we” wanted him gone? No, I said “many” wanted him gone.
And the only “many” that matter are the ingres who sign his checks. It was arguably the right call by tagging him to see how he developed for a season.
For all we know, the team tried to get a deal done with him through the season, and Carr pulled a Tamba, refused to discuss until the end of the season to allow his play to dictate his stock to rise, and now wants more than the team was willing to commit to him before the end of the season.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what's an "ingre"
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It was supposed to be "ones"
My swype just makes up words sometimes.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd ask what a "swype" is but I'm pretty sure you'd make that up, too
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Swype is the app that allows moving of finger over keyboard to type words instead of actually pressing each individual button
You “swype” over the keyboard instead of type
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if you don't say the word cellphone
he’ll think you’re talking about your computer. which actually would be a pretty neat trick.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 9, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
I'm actually talking about my Terminator robot
Skynet allowed me to have one
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 9, 2012 12:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
dude Cyberdyne is real
http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/ sure it all starts out with friendly helper robots but then wolfram down there gets involved and the next thing we know we’ve get in a car with a muscled up governor (if we want to live). its all very complicated and scary…
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 9, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
fine
grab Soliai … draft Poe if you must, but KEEP CARR!
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Delaney, have you lost your mind?
wait, don’t answer that …
but DUDE! you ask if having a pair of top CB’s like Flowers and Carr is worth it … in THIS league? by your own admission the NFL is a “pass happy” league … how could you NOT want two of the best CB’s in the league?
and having those two makes it MUCH easier for the SS and FS to work underneath and support the LB’s if needed … and/or blitz and/or allow the defense to be FAR more flexible than it would be otherwise
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Having Flowers/Carr on the corners
makes Romeo’s job a lot easier. He is able to do a lot more because he trusts those guys in man-to-man coverage. Sign.. Carr…
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there’s a reason they kept all those guys for so long … and kept winning for over a decade
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According to rotoworld...
BFlo is raking in 5.75 mil this year, unless I’m reading it wrong.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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a lot more than that
we should still have $20 million in space even after signing those two
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how about worry about Ol' Noodle Arm if and when the times comes that he's actually throwing like a real QB
And if that prevents us from signing someone like Peyton?
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and bowe
and stud NT?
actually, I do remember seeing something like that with cap. but again at the end of the day, are we going all in this year?
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
We have to reach the floor when the 2013 season starts.
So we’re going to have to spend money somewhere. And I don’t think Manning cripples us. As long as we believe Stanzi will develop or we draft someone who should be able to develop, we’ll be fine when Manning leaves or gets injured.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
as much as i'd welcome manning
IMO the QB brought in for competition will be considerably less drool-worthy. /nohomo
we’ve had tons of lists on the possibilities as to whom they may be. Orton and Campbell (yes I know but we’ll see) are the only ones I’ll sit up and clap for.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think they will go after Manning if they think he's healthy.
But short of him, I hope Orton is the guy. I looked at his numbers, and I’m starting to think he could be a good-but-not-great QB with our talent, and that’s all we really need with our defense.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Orton, please. We don’t need a world beater. We just need an upgrade over Cassel for now.
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yes
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Delaney, what imaginary universe are you pulling numbers from?
seriously
first, those contracts don’t always reflect the actual payments, and they can be structured a myriad of ways
second, Carr is one of THE best CB’s in the league right now, hands down … to NOT pay him the same as Flowers is ridiculous (and yes, I have done research – he’s well worth it)
third, we have the cap space so that’s not an issue
as to Daniels, if he’s that good then he’ll show it on the field as the next guy in the depth chart and he’ll be brought in more often in nickel or dime situations as needed … so what’s the problem?
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Flowers and Carr with Berry lurking
Reminds me of Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent with Brian Dawkins lurking. The Eagles thought that was a good set up, I’d like it here long term. You can always structure the contract to get out of one of the deals in a few years.
yup ... helluva secondary we have going
no reason to screw it up …
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Uhhhh, pretty basic math
App. $25 mil guaranteed + app. $25 mil guaranteed = app. $50 mil guaranteed. There are no imaginary numbers there
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ok, how about you go get the ACTUAL contract figures and payment schedule for Flowers
I expect it on my desk by morning
in triplicate!
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What part of "guaranteed" do you not understand?
I’m concerned about your employ as a contributor to this site if you are having trouble with a simple word like that ;-)
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what part of "it doesn't all count in the same year" do YOU not understand?
and I’m not a contributor, I’m an editor!
and I’m not employed, I’m … well, I don’t make $25Mil, that’s for sure
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Someone smarter than me wanna interpret that? I's no gud wit nombers
9/16/2011: Signed a six-year, $49.35 million contract. The deal contains $22 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus. $11 million of Flowers’ guaranteed money is guaranteed for both skill and injury, although the other $11 million is guaranteed solely for injury. Another $1.25 million is available through escalators applicable to the final year. Flowers is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in seasons two through six. 2012: $5.75 million, 2013: $7.35 million, 2014: $5.25 million (+ $2 million reporting bonus), 2015: $6.25 million (+ $2 million reporting bonus), 2016: $6.5 million (+ $2 million reporting bonus), 2017: Free Agent
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So, of his guaranteed 22 mil...
10 of it he received up front… where’s the other 12? Is it 6 years of 2-mil reporting bonuses? No comprende…
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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good man!
you may continue your employment here at One Arrowhead Drive …
… and pick up that candy wrapper on the way out
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Emphasis on the $22 mil guaranteed part
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds to me like it's prorated...
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp
Questions 1.7a-e
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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Minus the 10 mil signing bonus he got upfront...
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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And was that signing bonus fake money?
That is part of his guaranteed money, so again, we will have paid app. $50 mil in for seasons with a Carr contract that is similar to Flowers’
That is all my point was.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Goes back to Ups point...
If its prorated, its a bit more affordable. More to the point, you made it seem incredulous to put another CB 8-10 mil a year, as if they aren’t paying that much or more, total contract over seasons, to the LB corp.
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As if the Steelers aren't paying that much...
Where the fuk is my head
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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and if you honestly think your APPROXIMATIONS are precise OR think they apply to ONE YEAR of cap space then you need to re-think dramatically
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No one said one year, so don't throw words that were never said into this convo
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ok, but that's the issue here ... cap space
not total contract, cap space per year
we have plenty
look, do you REALLY think TJax is gonna get 13 Mil in 2013 just becaue the contract says so?
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I'm not talking about anything other than what the team would pay out in guarantees likely over the first 3 years of his contract
That is close to $50 mil in a four year span (Flowers in this last season, and Carr starting next season). Its really a simple question, ups. Do you want to commit that to the 2 of them? Yes or no? There really is no argument, it would just tell you the difference between our opinions about how to allocate money amongst certain positions. That is all
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do I want to commit that to the 2 of them?
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sorry, I'm still not getting it.
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
I operate under the Big Ben theory of conversation
No means yes. Yes means no.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 8, 2012 11:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
heh
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it is
and we have plenty of cap room to re-sign Carr, Bowe, McClain and still go after guys like Soliai, Orton and Bush or another FA RB
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I love wolfram alpha.
It has made my life so much easier.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 11:30 PM CST reply actions
you worry me at times
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Why? That seemed like a relatively benign comment.
Emphasis on relatively.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
and what, pray tell, is wolfram alpha?
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It's kind of like Google, except it does integrals.
It is a Physics major’s best friend.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 8, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
schweeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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duly bookmarked :-) ty!
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when the machines rise up, wolfram will be the motherbrain
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
My FA wishlist:
Retain:
Carr
Bowe
McClain
Orton
Add:
Paul Soliai – NT, Mia (Age – 27)
Kahlil Bell – RB, Chi (Age – 25)
Geoff Schwartz – OT/G, Car (Age – 26)
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FELLAS
Jeremy Renner and Ed Norton in The Borne Legacy??? HELLS YES!
youtu.be/NZbZm-uA0EU
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:51 PM CST reply actions
UGH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbZm-uA0EU&feature=player_embedded
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
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