Brian Daboll Approval Poll, Take Two
by Joel Thorman on Feb 8, 2012 12:59 PM CST
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PrintWe've already documented the initial reaction of the Kansas City Chiefs fan base to the hiring of Brian Daboll as offensive coordinator and it's not very good. Daboll had a low approval rating on our poll but that came shortly after the move became official when we had little information about the Chiefs new OC.
Now that it's been a few days we've had a chance to do so some more reading on Daboll and hear directly from both him and Romeo Crennel on the hiring. And it seems some fans are coming around, at least compared to the initial reaction shortly after the hire.
So, armed with a little more information, we wanted to have a "Take Two" of our Daboll approval poll. Catch up on the stories we've written about him and then vote in the poll.
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I think many want to see the difference
When the “but what about Al!!!” cries had died down and people had looked into more than “Browns sucked, so Daboll sucks!” for their information
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I just started listening to his conference call posted on the mothership and this stood out to me
…And Tony. I remember doing him coming out of college. He is a very skillful tight end.
/no homo
When you mess with Daboll, you get the horns.
Gonzalez? yeah he is ... very skillful indeed
oh, wait …
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Approve
For the simple reason that it shows that the Chiefs front office is giving the coaching staff every opportunity to succeed. They are giving these guys time to develop a game plan, communicate between coaches and players, and build relationships.
Whether or not it turns out to be a good hire remains to be seen, but the fact that they haven’t sat around waiting shows that they do have some sort of a plan.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
i see
Daboll is starting to grow on us a little at least me. I love his attack comments but not sure with Cassel behind center we can actually attack maybe more like a pounce or something.
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by wwJamaalCharlesdo on Feb 8, 2012 1:05 PM CST reply actions
More of a disapprove of Pioli who can't attacrt anyone outside of his group of Belichick lackeys
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 8, 2012 1:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
And Emmitt Thomas.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
The NFL is a very small fraternity
Its common for people to hire within groups they are familiar with. Not saying its always best mind you.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Indeed... or was Sparano trumping him?
Impossible to say with just a one-sided comment like that from a “prominent offensive player”. Without knowing the full story or having been there, this is all we have to go by.
I don’t know how involved Sparano was or how much he let Daboll do his own thing – but we all experienced situations here where we felt (or knew) our HC was trumping our OC – so it’s not like it’s anything new under the sun.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 8, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Or, since he considers himself a situational coach (playcalls and schemes are based on attacking the defense they're seeing at the time)....
…maybe that player had a game or three where their contributions WOULDN’T make the offense stronger on the field. No one likes to hear that their particular strength isn’t helpful, so maybe there’s some frustration there.
Or Daboll’s a dick, who knows. Time will tell, because none of us can yet.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
Same as before. Not sure.
He has a bad track record, but his talent to work with has also been sub par. I’ll give him a chance to prove himself.
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I don't know if you can call his track record that bad
He’s got a track record of running some poorly talented offenses, that’s it. I don’t think you can criticize the guy too much for not getting Colt McCoy/Seneca Wallace and Chad Henne/Matt Moore ran offenses in the top 10. I’d rather take a guy who’s improved the team everywhere he’s been regardless of the talent there rather than take someone like a McDaniels or Philbin who basically got their next jobs off of the back of their elite Quarterbacks.
I like that perspective
He seems like a guy who says “ok this is what you have, then we can do this, this and this.”
As opposed to "THis is my system i need you to get these types of players and get rid of those types, then my plan will work.
Especially when the "type" needed for said system to work is a Kurt Warner-caliber QB
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 8, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I do prefer coaches who work with the talent around them
Rather than re-ionventing the wheel
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Probably his start as a defensive guy has something to do with that.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
So what's he gonna do with a Matt Cassel/Ricky Stanzi offense?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Not Sure
Voted disapprove last time as I am just not thrilled about the hire, which I am still not especially seeing that Miami players seem to be happy he’s gone. I will however see what he does as I have no choice in the matter.
I Google searched Daboll and Miami Herald, and was shocked to see several articles praising him for communication, creativity, passion, putting players in a position to succeed....
Now, he might’ve misused a guy or two throughout the season, or told someone their skills wouldn’t work against a certain “D”, and they didn’t like it.
It doesn’t seem like his players hate him, that’s for sure…old Herald articles make it seem like the opposite is true. So do Phin fans.
I dunno.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
Feeling a little better about it.
Not that I was devastated or anything. Still will wait and see. The player acquisitions this off season will have far more implications than the Daboll hiring.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Approve!
All we need is RGlll to start this new attack offense!!
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Feb 8, 2012 1:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Changed my first vote from Do Not Approve, to Not Sure
At first, I was like our old buddy Jackie here, that I swear I’ve seen before..
But now, I’m a cool and calm..
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
by severn58 on Feb 8, 2012 1:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Positives:
- Good to great relationship with HC
- He wants to be in Kansas City
- Seemingly he has bought into what both RAC/Pioli are envisioning
- From the Beliskunk tree (yes, that’s a good thing)
- High energy
- Seemingly plays/gameplans to his players strengths
- Seemingly knows how to expose defenses
- Seemingly holds his players accountable
- Multiple former coaches/staff/players/fans are speaking highly of him
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
I wouldn't say TH was a high energy coach.
And we are only talking about our OC. Daboll gets to worry about the offense by himself.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I also wouldn't say that Haley was very good at:
Gameplanning to player strengths
Exposes defenses
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
by Tomahawk29 on Feb 8, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Same as before, he’s still a Patriots croney hire, whose main job qualification (unless you count having his best offensive season be the 10th worst in the league), is that he is a former Patriot. In addition, we have now seen several instances where it’s documented that his former players have been glad to see him leave their respective cities, and it appears this is nothing more then another good old boy network hire. Hope I’m wrong, but nothing I’ve seen would suggest otherwise.
What players were/are glad to see him leave?
Not doubting you, I’m genuinely curious.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I don't know why anyone would change their vote just based on what the guy says at a press conference
I have to see action, not words. Talking about bringing in an attacking offense doesn’t do anything for me. I talk about how I could be a rock star but yet I still have an office job.
How is being from the Belichick tree a good thing?
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Over the last ten or twelve years the Patriots have been serious contenders.
Back when they were winning championships they happened to have a few guys that are now running our team. These are all guys that have multiple rings and know what it takes to win championships. Settle the QB position in KC and we are in good great hands.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
but no one from the Belichick tree has had any success outside of NE
I don’t know if anyone has kept a job for more than 3 years other than Pioli so far actually.
Saban, Schwartz, Crennel, Ferentz, Weis....
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Who has the most successful "tree"
there is always talk of it but really who produces the best coaches?
I ask because i don’t want to do the leg work.
Paul Brown.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Big picture
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Wow, that's impressive.
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
Yeah, I guess that's why he only does it once about every three years.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He will recognize what an elite, future hall of fame QB can do for you?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Wow, my posts over the last few days are starting to make sense
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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the poll
I didn’t change my “not sure” but it seems like the “not approved” is down alot.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
i will approve after a playoff game has been won.
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by reedeasy on Feb 8, 2012 2:02 PM CST via Android app reply actions
What if the offense is awesome and the defense sucks?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Then people will be
clamoring for either a new DC or RAC’s head.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
voted "not sure"(enter idiocracy joke here) the first time
this time though, i went with approve….its tough because i really am not 100 percent for the hire, but with what was available, outside my homer crush on al saunders run offenses…this guy seems to be very capable, young, promising. gets the most out of mediocre qb’s which we have in spades.
i still want to vote “not sure” but just wanting an offensive coordinator, with what has been said, im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and be positive on it.
if hes like haley as they say, then i especially approve this hire
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Don't worry, I voted "no" the 1st time
To approve this time. Yep, I made a snap decision. Within 10 minutes of doing some research I changed my mind. That’s why I was so against the 1st poll.
No one from the Belichick tree has done shit in the NFL without Bill. Not. A. Single. One.
If it wasn’t for Saban, not a single one has done shit anywhere.
/still no reply for me
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
No one from the Belichick tree has done shit in the NFL without Bill.
Who knew? You have to have a good head coach to be successful in the NFL?
But with certainty, you’re believing that no coaches will become successful under Bill? I don’t believe that for a minute. Our offensive staff last season disappointed to say the least; changes were made and now many fans are still left upset. You act like winning first matters or something. ;)
These guys are not Beliskunk. But we do know they have worked close with him, and I believe they probably learned a lot from him too.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
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worked [closely] with him
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
You could argue that Belichek hasn't don't shit without Brady.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Except go 11-5 with Cassel.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You're right.
11-5 credit, DENIED!
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I stand corrected, he must be a genius.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
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When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I actually think he is a great coach, just pointing out that some poeple say it is more about Brady than Bill, and there probably is a little truth to that as well.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Does it really make a shit whether or not
we, as the fans,. give a rats apple of approval?? The hire is done, whether we approve or not approve. I say, at this point, we should support the hire. He has done nothing with our team to prove that we should disapprove of this hire. The past is the past and the past is a entirely different situation in that he was with 2 other teams besides the Chiefs. I like what he did last year, but that was an entirely different set of players with different mentalities and athleticism. We shall see what goes on as time goes on. I think that regardless of what happens, true Chiefs fans will continue to love their team.
No, but what do you want to talk about in the mean time, if not approve/disapprove of Daboll.
No one is trying to claim that this poll, or any lack of fans’ approval will have any impact on the Chiefs’ decision making.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I'm still not happy with this hire
and after getting over the initial rage… I gave him a “not sure” vote in an effort to get back to objective thinking. He’s just gonna have to prove his worth.
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Who has the best coaching tree?
I think you could make a strong arguement for Marty. He had Herm, Cower, Mike McCarthy, Wade Phillips and Gunther. Not bad.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Didn't Dungy coach for Marty at one time?
Why do I feel like he was a secondary coach for us or something.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 8, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
that's because he was
I watched him in training camp that first year and I don’t think he yelled at anyone once.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Well there we go
Not a bad coaching tree at all.
If we look at “immediate” tree – Marty is up there. If we look at “deep” tree (coaches that came from his coaches) then Bill Walsh takes the cake.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 8, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
The hell, Haley didn't come from Marty's tree!
That bad apple fell straight off Tuna’s…..looks like I’ve got some pruning to do over at wikiblahblahblah
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
Ha! I didn't even see that
I guess they’re tying him to Wisenhunt since he was OC under him before he moved to HC.
They also put Mike McCarthy under Paul Hackett where others have him under Schottenheimer.
There are often so many ties to these different areas I suppose it’s hard to pinpoint the exact origin of some.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 8, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
I'm really excited about this hire
I didn’t know much about Daboll and still don’t know all that much but he is YOUNG. Our staff currently was getting a little long in the tooth and Daboll will bring some much needed youth to the staff. He sounds like a coach that is willing to adapt to players he has and situations that come up from week to week which is what I was hoping for. Plus he should be able to stay awake the whole game which is always a plus
you're really excited about a guy you don't know all that much about?
logical
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
and you're illogically on the other side.
There’s no harm in being excited about your favorite team. Equally, I can understand why some are skeptical.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
He can be excited about the potential....
Say there’s a really hot chick that you just met and she wants to have sex with you…. You’ll get really excited. Now, she might make donkey noises in bed and be a let down…but you can still be excited before knowing.
I would suggest that seeing a hot chick
might provide me with all the data I need about her.
I cannot say the same about an OC at the pro level.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
The truth could be said about most OC out there
I know Al because he was here but I don’t do extensive research on the OC out there each year. I’m excited because he showed some promise last year with the dolphins and all great coaches were not always considered great. About time we got in on the ground floor with a coach.
"So RAC hasn't done shit in KC?"
Going by points, he had the #22 D last year and the #21 D this year. Not exactly lighting the world on fire. He did go 2-1 which blows away anything his Belichick coatriding peers has done.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Yay! Stats!
Over the last two seasons, RAC’s defense has allowed a 78 (in 2010) and 79 (in 2011) passer rating.
79 was good for 7th in the league in 2011.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Daboll last coached in New England 6 years ago.
He’s still riding Belichick’s coattails? Is it your position that once someone coaches for Belichick, they’ll never be a good coach anywhere else?
just hope this hire isnt a rendition of Aerosmiths
Same old story same old song and dance
Yay! Stats!
Unfortunatly you can’t win or lose games based on QB rating. You can however win games based on points scored and points allowed.
/ still no reply
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I had the same "no reply" issue
Logging out, and then back in fixed it
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
How many sacks did Orton have on Aaron Rodgers?
Yes he moved the ball well between the 20’s but we also remarkably re-discovered the beauty of play action fake in that game, not too mention playing one of the wrost defenses.
Carpe Diem
So Orton
had absolutely no effect on the Chiefs winning the time of possession and yardage wars, keeping the ball out of Rodgers’ hands?
Yes he had an effect
In moving the ball between the 20’s and not getting us in the endzone and keeping us to below 20 pts against one of the worst defenses in the league.
He also had an effect the following week in throwing a pick right to a Raiders db in a game we scored all of 13 pts in against a defense that on average in 15 other gamea allowed an average of 28 pts per game.
He had an effect the following week against an overrated but opportunisitc Broncos defense and got all of 7 pts and once again our own defense rode to Kyle Ortons rescue just like the Broncos defense did the first 6 games of 2009.
Carpe Diem
I did answer your question "Yes he did"
You act like Kyle Orton alone could do what he did. I pointed out facts that what he did was far from unique or impressive and certainly not what the Chiefs should settle for if we want to end a 42+year skid.
Carpe Diem
lol the redzone is the toughest place and requires the most practice time and we had a qb who had very little practice time
How come we didnt run it in ? is that Ortons fault too ?
Under Matt we were getting to the redzone just over 2 times game
Under Palko that fell to under 1 time a game
With Orton we were getting to the redzone 3 times a game and that was with him only being here a few weeks and being able to practice less than that
What you are asking is for everyone to simply ignore basic football common sense ? We should ignore the timing issues that come with limited practice ?
Orton threw a pick against the raiders in the redzone after we ran the same play twice in a row but the first time the receiver dropped the td pass ?
Against the broncos Orton and the passing game to Bowe was looking great prior to Bowes injury now after he went down we shouldve kept trying to throw against one of the leagues best pass rushes ? despite the fact that there offense had been struggling and the difference in most of there games had been turnovers ? There is a certain thing called a game plan.
I dare you to go watch the video of Romeos post game lockerroom speech after that denver game and tell me how Orton had played poorly in it .
by Willie Beamon on Feb 8, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Must be exhausting passing that buck all the time
When the offense looks bad, blame the defense
When the defense looks bad, blame the offense
When the QB looks bad, blame the line or receivers or coachincg turnover
When the line looks bad, blame th QB
Wjen the coach looks bad, blame the players
When the players look bad, blame the coach
Never blame the GM or owner, they are infallible
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 8, 2012 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
what are you smoking?
When Cassel looks like shit… we say he looks like shit. The only pass we’ve given is to the Defense. They showed that if they’re not on the field for 85% of the game…they’re pretty good.
i take it you havent been around here long
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 8, 2012 3:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol - I wasn't going to speak for you
but that made me chuckle
by Ochophosphate on Feb 8, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Still off the cigs HIV?
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Tobacco free since Nov 1
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 8, 2012 4:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
give me the choice between any ponts based stat and QBR and I'll take the points 10 oit of 10 times
Especially wjen QBR is based on passing yards and teams don’t need to pass when thwy’re running all over us
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 8, 2012 3:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh I get it. Nothing we/I have said is worthy of an HIV reply. I thought you were classier than that...
Unfortunatly you can’t win or lose games based on QB rating.
Sure you can. But you can’t convince a deaf man by talking.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
still no reply as in the reply button hasnt been working
Show me one game where the winner was determined by which team’s QB had the higher QBR rather than which team scored the most points.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 8, 2012 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My bad for the accusation.
QB = MIPOTF
A good QB rating figures in points/TDs scored, if I remember right. It’s all related.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 8, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Positive for Brian Daboll
Last 9 games the Dolphins broke the 30+ barrier 4 times
Chiefs have gone 18 straight games without getting a 30 burger
Carpe Diem
I think Tarkus
deserves his own sarcastic font.
Tarkus is his own sarcastic font
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
QB rating
Bad QB’s (low ratings) are not accurate or consistant in throwing the ball. We’ve all seen this with cassell right? He gets lucky on a couple long balls over the course of the year but isnt likely to beat you with his arm when your down in double digit scores. A under rated QB allows the defense to pack 8 or 9 guys in the box which creates problems for your running game. So I would have to agree that a low rated QB can lose games.
I'm still sick about this hire
The only thing I learned about this guy is he’s going to start Cassell, which makes it even worse. Voted not approve both times.
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 8, 2012 4:30 PM CST reply actions
listen to his interview
he spoke highly of cassell that doesnt mean cassell will get the start. i dont think pioli can except that cassell isnt the 2nd coming or that he was wrong in signing cassell to a long term contract. With cassell being under contract through 2014 I dont think pioli will bring in another money man (QB). Time will tell we’ll just have to wait and see
Daboll has to play who is on roster
Look at chain of command
Owner>GM>HC>OC, who knows he may have wanted to play Matt Moore from day one in Miami and crybaby McCoy from the start in Cleveland. Not like he can say “I want to play Drew Brees, peyton manning, hell anybody but Matt Cassel”.
Carpe Diem
maybe in Miami that's how it goes, but the org chart at 1 AH drive is a lil diff:
………………………GM——————————————————————
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………President……..Candywrapper…………………………………………..\
…………………………../……………..[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8230;………………………………………….\
………………….Owner…………..Dallas Pioli…………………………………….\
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Dwayne Bowe…….Back office workers younger than 30…………………………\
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Scapegoat HC (RAC)……………………………………………………Any successful coach
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All failed coaches
I don’t think Daboll is going to have any say on whether or not he starts Cassel. Pioli will be one the who will be having him start Cassel. After all, can’t admit you are wrong.
agreed
hard to get excited about a six win season (miami) we won 7 as we were
wins and losses don't always correlate
to the success of an offensive or defensive coordinator.
Wins and losses good point
Bill Walsh 1st 2 yrs as 49ERS hc 2-14, 6-10
Mike McCarthy OC 2005 49ers 4-12, scored less than 250 pts
Marty Schottenheimer DC of the 1977 Giants 5-9 record, Schotty canned.
Carpe Diem
the only thing I know about him is this...
He better be a hit, or Pioli’s done.
did you hear RAC's interview
Rac said the hire of Daboll was 100% RAC’s decision lol DOES ANYONE OUT THERE BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE?
It depends on how you want to define that.
I do think he was RAC’s hire, but I’m sure Pioli had input and certainly veto power. In short, I think he was RAC’s choice, yes.
You're probably right...
although he could have been the only OC willing to go with Cassel…
by 12t on Feb 8, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently Saunders wanted the job.
So did Zorn and I’m sure others. An NFL coordinator position is pretty coveted, and not one that most can be real picky about. Plus, I don’t think the rest of the NFL is near as down on Cassel as Chiefs fans are.
I was joking about Cassel.
I believe we can win with him, but it would be much easier with a next level qb. I think even Orton is a step up. Unfortunately, most fans don’t uderstand how hard it is to get that “elite” qb. There’s usually 28 other teams wanting to improve that position.
by 12t on Feb 8, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
another way to look at it...
If every team had an elite QB they would all be average.
by 12t on Feb 8, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Many others.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
His or not...
We can’t fire Hunt…or can we? Besides, they both come back to Pioli.
I still think cassell is our problem
we need a QB that can stretch the field keep those db’s honest and maybe Charles moves up to 7.4 per carry. Im not from KC so I get nothing local regarding the Chiefs. last I heard there was a 3 man competition between Charles, Berry and Moeaki anyone hear how they’re progress is going
The most realistic option to improve the QB position...
is to bring Orton back. Do whatever you need with Cassel. Trade him, keep him, whatever. Orton has proven he can move the ball and sustain drives. Day-bull would have a lot more to work with and could open up the playbook more (opposed to Cassel).
We don’t need a QB right now to set the world on fire. We need an offense that sustains drives, keeping the defense fresh and allowing KC to dictate the flow of the game. Manning or RG3 ain’t happenin’ folks. Orton is familiar with the organization and the most reasonable answer to upgrading the QB position. He has his faults, and he’s not Brees or Rodgers. But you can’t just go find one of those guys any old time.
I will be supremely disappointed if KC doesn’t make a major attempt to retain Orton.
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
Orton is not fixing the problem
Fixing it is A) seeign what Stanzi has B) Gettign another qb in the draft, not settlign for a guy who averaged 13 pts per game against bottom feeder defenses.
Carpe Diem
Didn't say it was 'fixing the problem'
I said it’s the most realistic option to improve the position.
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
How much should he had averaged in a couple practices ? lol
bottom feeder defense vs a guy who had limited practice and a dislocated finger on his throwing hand ? somehow we shouldve been averaging 30 ppg ?
Who are these magical td makers that we had ? Baldwin was the only proven td weapon we had available .
Breastons not a td guy neither is Baldwin ?
by Willie Beamon on Feb 8, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think there's a direct correlation to those who approve and also think either Stanzi or Cassel are the answer at QB
Either way too optimistic, or delusional Time will tell
I approved, and I don't think those two are the answer.
Stanzi may be at some point, but who knows at this point. I don’t see it as a QB approval poll.
Stanzi may not be the answer
But I would rather see what he has than tolerate the Kyle Orton/Matt Cassel glass ceiling that has worked so well for us the last 40+years.
Carpe Diem
The thing is, YOU don't have to see what Stanzi has.
The coaches do. And they can see just fine in practice.
Stanzi might be one of those Jeff Garcias who look totally different in games than in practices, but those guys are the exception. I’ll hope for Stanzi to succeed, but if he doesn’t see the field then I’ll assume he’s sucking it up in practice.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
if Stanzi sucks
The draft another qb but don’t settle for Matt Orton or Kyle Cassel.
Haley had a bad record here of not playing our best players. With no fofseason and no training camp Stanzi was set back. I can understand that once Romeo was auditioning for HC it was not a good tmr to have open tryouts at qb so he went with the veteran, I dont blame him for that. Long term though the Chiefs needed to find a good young qb or advertise “Season ticket holders we guarantee 7-9 with Makyle Ortassel”
Carpe Diem
I like Orton to come back,
but whether he does or not, I HOPE we don’t have this high of a draft pick again for a long while….so I agree, we need to do something with it to improve our chances of getting an elite QB, whether that’s drafting RG3 this year or trading it for a stockpile next year.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Kyle Orton
Will guarantee we are drafting 16th or earlier next draft, notice how well he did for the Bears and Broncos even when there defense played lights out? (the only way he can win).
Carpe Diem
Denver didn't have lights out defense their first five games this year.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You mean lights as opposed to what the broncos were doing normally which was giving up 30 ppg ? You do realize that during Ortons time there that defense gave up 30 ppg this lights out periods you talk about was simply holding teams to under 20 points
Check your facts!!!
I guess this also applies to Eli manning
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants
There last 6 games the defense gave up
14
14
2 playoffs
20 playoffs
17 playoffs
17 SB
yep thats ppg by the Giants . Your theory is ridiculous
If its somehow a crutch in your mind for a QB to have there defense play lights out well then a whole bunch of Qbs are using that crutch
The pats were
10
20
then 19 + safety by on Brady
notice how well he did for the Bears and Broncos even when there defense played lights out? (the only way he can win).
so apparently this special way that Ortons wins is actually the way that most good teams win
by Willie Beamon on Feb 8, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Denvers lights out defense
EXACTLY!!!! Kykle Ortons record then? 1-4!!!! Can it be any more obvious that Orton is not the answer!! Keep in mind our defense didn’t step it up a notch until after Cassel went down, not that far a leap to think Cassel doesn’t return similar even better eturn in the 3 Orton starts.
Carpe Diem
Romeo says that Daboll is the real deal.
My first impression was totally contrary to that assessment, but I am going to give Romeo the benefit of the doubt and not bitch until I see if this guy can pump up some offense. So I am very reluctantly approving subject to immediate withdrawal at such time as the offense scores less than 21 points.
"The Hammer"
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