AP Draft Discussion Thread 2/8/12 to 2/15/12

But thats exactly what I mean, he shows inconsistency in practices then dominates on the field the next day. Consistency has been an issue since HS if you listen to OSU fans.

Just saying gotta be cautious, theres a reason some arent sold on him and their are pretty valid reasons.

Oh you…

Its a passing league, and we could usr all the help we can get with Cassel at the helm(for now)

Church of RGIII around here?

DeCastro is a great choice at 11/12!

That’s fine. Apparently you’re happy with our O-Line and trading all our picks away, and putting our investment behind that OL. I’m not.

But do you think the haul for Bowe would equal the haul for Carr? Typically people aren’t willing to give up a ton for a WR.

Smaller DB who looks a lot better when he is able to play press man and be very physical… not quite the recipe for a safety prospect

that come in reaction others’ mocks. You see a guy out of place , just from the general discussion, and you point it out to the group. Good blogs do that. One guy offers his wisdom, another does a fact-check, then the fact-check on the fact-check, and by the end of the open discussion, the wisdom provided by the blog is much greater than the wisdom of any of its members.

Like NObody knows how many jellybeans are in that jar, but if you ask 1,000 people how many jellybeans are in the jar, take the average, et voila, the sense of the senate is within 1 or 2 jellybeans of the actual. Seriously. They did a study! It’s just one of the cool things about being social animals with separate intelligence. Pretty cool.

I think STL will want the farm in picks not so much players as a trade partner, the Vikes would be a better trade partner if we want RG3, since they have specific holes that we could give picks plus a player or 2 to fill. I hope STL asks for too much nobody bites and we could package picks and maybe carr or Bowe for the pick, then pick up RG3, but we will see.

The other part is.. they have Brady. They don’t need top talent, nor the old huge contracts when Brady can keep them in most games by himself and the group of WRs he has had. They could trade down for players that fit specific roles(pass rushers/cover guys/etc), instead of looking for guys that are the total package.

Here’s Riley Reiff, projected Top 10 player going up against guys that may or may not be drafted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmS0XmkMeJ0

I ain’t happy with what they’ve done in 3 years on the OL. I think more needs to be done, before I’m putting QB ahead of OL in the draft. I thik adding a 2nd- and a 3rd-rounder is good, but it’s far too little, too late, entering their 4th drafft, considering the quality of play up front.

I’m not defending Cassel, at least not much. They’re a team that should’ve done their due diligence in the draft @ QB, sure, but OL should’ve come before Cassel, McCluster, Arenas, hell, even Baldwin. I think that to maximize your talent, you want your skill players trying out behind linemen that dominate, or at LEAST compete at a high level with the sorts of teams we see in the playoffs. I really want them to get THAT right, before turning to QB as the priority. In the meantime, make sensible QB picks and look for good all-around veteran FAs.

If you’re good with your team-build, I think there’s an excellent chance that a QB emerges, and if one doesn’t, then it’s time to get worked-up about it. But you’re always on the look-out for QB, sure. But, like I keep saying, getcher ducks in a row, and THEN, if it ain’t happenin’, you get more aggressive. Right now, I’d want to see ’em add one, maybe two new faces to OL. Not stand still at QB, but not some of these crazy trade-ups people seem to want.

Stockpiling picks for a future player is no better or worse than expending future picks on a current player to be chosen.

Spending a future pick is actually more positive than spending a past actually chosen and groomed active player in my Opinion

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Jeff Childress is just too bald to succeed as a HC. Crennel has a pretty good helmet atop his head. Haley’s hairline is receding. Bad sign. And everybody knows Cowher got out of coaching because his comb-over just got too damn thin. Get you a helmet of hair and you’ll do well. Most of the best coaches have a full head of hair. Mike Smith was pretty hot in Atlanta, for a while there, but you’re starting to see a little too much forehead, there.

Mike Holmgren finally went and got Rogaine or somethin’, didn’t he? But you knew his days were numbered, and why he went to the FO.

we want our cake and eat it too. We are not going to get RG3 without gambling our future i.e draft picks, and if we get DeCastro and beef up the oline like we need to do then we have a noodle armed qb that will get us 9-7 seasons just like we’ve had for what seems like we’ve done for 40 years. I’ve been over this in my head and I know yours too, and it just seems fucked any way you quantify it. Then again maybe we see why Pioli was so highly sought after and he finds that qb that falls out of the sky every10 years or so

I don’t mean to stifle. I know I tend to do that, I’m actually still embarrassed about how often I did that to people when I was younger and more hot-headed.

Anyway, here’s where I’m at big picture wise – I’m just recently coming around to recognizing that the QB is really, really important. That’s not my preference, my preference would be for the game to favor strategists, which are the people who are good at piecing a team together and keeping track of all the moving parts and basically NOT being a star-struck douche. I definitely don’t like the way the game is evolving toward depending on a star player…with a pretty-boy smile, and a model wife with an accent, and focus-spots on Sportcenter where he’s sitting on the beach playing a guitar in front of a female correspondent….blech, puke, barf. BUT, I recognize that’s the way the game is not just evolving, but being pushed by the powers that be, and is probably only going to be pushed even more in that direction for the simple, basic, evil purpose of making more money. And even though I don’t like it I still want my Chiefs to succeed, so….

I look at the QB nowadays the same way I look at buying a house or a car, or starting a business. When you start out financially, and you have no equity in anything but your own paycheck, you’ve got to take a little pain and spend some of your stormy-day savings on that first big purchase. After that, you should be able to use the equity and stability you now have to move on to bigger and better things, AND take bigger risks, a lot more cheaply than if you just kept spending cash for everything. Like the Packers trading for Favre, then picking up Rodgers when the opportunity presented itself. They could afford to spend a first round pick on a risky, backup QB because they knew that Favre would keep them winning even if they put off that O line maintenance for a year.

I don’t want to trade away opportunity. But I also don’t want to just wait and hope to hit the lottery, that’s no kind of investment strategy at all.

I’ll look up and chew on and spit out numbers to try to bludgeon a point, but my real opinion just comes from what I see. I see several teams right now with QBs that can make up for piss-poor O lines. But I haven’t seen a standalone, SB type Oline since our 2003 Chiefs. Before that, maybe the Cowboys? I also see a highly drafted QB in NY playing behind a pretty good O line and not doing so well. But then I see that Dalton kid in Cinci succeeding because he’s got a good head on his shoulders. AND, I see David Carr, whose career most people assume was ruined by bad O lines in his rookie year. I recognize that our chance to hit on a Pro Bowl QB in the draft is decidedly below 50%, but I also look around at our other possible paths and don’t see anything that empirically presents me with any better odds. Not really stats for me, just looking around at how things seem to be.

Another really, really simplistic idea of mine that I frame in terms of numbers – Anything bad that can happen to a QB can also happen to an O line. But it’s magnified with the O line because that unit needs at least four really good guys to be a championship level unit. So you worry about injury or just plain poor performance taking out a QB, but it’s 3 or 4 times more likely that same set of problems will take out one of your O linemen and thereby take it down from that championship level.

Ya know, one thing I DO like about the QB evolution is that it definitely seems to put more and more emphasis on a QB’s brain. And not just their brain, but their temperament. Manning > Leaf, Dalton > Sanchez. Hell, Lenny the Cool > Jeff George. That’s why I like Griffin, he seems like he’s got it upstairs. I’m not tied to him though. Before Pioli makes that first big investment, I definitely want him to check ALL the woodwork for termites.

I wouldn’t mind trading a third this year for a second next year. There’s plenty of ways to acquire picks. Only time will tell if this FO is prepping to move up next year. Its all speculation of course, but I’d be pleased to see us acquire a high pick next year somehow. If anything, it’ll slightly validate my thoughts on what this team needs to do to contend for a SB.

And guys always shoot up, it happens every year.