Chiefs Offseason Questions: What To Do At Offensive Tackle
by Joel Thorman on Feb 8, 2012 10:52 AM CST
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We're going through some of the big questions facing the Kansas City Chiefs this offseason. Yesterday was the return of the injured guys, like Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry and Tony Moeaki. And today we'll be looking at the offensive tackle situation.
The Chiefs have just three offensive tackles under contract next season -- Branden Albert, Steve Maneri and David Mims. Albert, of course, is the starting left tackle and the other two are reserves. OTs Barry Richardson and Ryan O'Callaghan are scheduled to be unrestricted free agents.
Left tackle and right tackle are really two different issues but we'll combine them here, starting with left tackle. Does Branden Albert need to be replaced?
You can always upgrade at a position but Albert probably shouldn't be a priority at this point. 2012 will be the final year of his contract so he should get the opportunity to play next season out before the Chiefs determine what they'll do with him longterm. And if 2011 is any indication, Albert may very well return to KC for the foreseeable future.
Here's what Pro Football Focus said about the guy they called the most improved Chief:
In some respects, Albert looked like a guard playing tackle his first three years in the league. You can't say that anymore after a drastic turnaround in performance that saw the Chiefs' left tackle finish the year in fifth position in our Offensive Tackle Pass Blocking Efficiency ranking, giving up just 24 combined sacks, hits, and hurries. A year earlier, that number was 40 (on 59 fewer pass blocks) - an indication of how far he has come.
So, yeah, there are probably bigger priorities than left tackle.
Moving onto the other side, right tackle is an area that everyone knows the Chiefs need to upgrade. GM Scott Pioli pointed out the offensive line specifically as an area that needs to be better and I think that starts at right tackle. Richardson, the starter last season, is scheduled to be a free agent and I think the Chiefs should let him walk. I also think the Chiefs should strongly consider drafting his replacement in the first round (yes, gasp, a first round right tackle). I get the feeling this season is about making Matt Cassel successful (as it is every year with every team and their quarterback) and the easiest way to do that, outside of adding receivers, which the Chiefs have done, is to upgrade the offensive line.
So, methinks the Chiefs are getting a new right tackle in 2012. Who that is...I don't know yet. But Pioli will have free agency and then the draft to figure that out.
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Thanks for getting the site back up,
I was having the shakes bad.
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by dbakerku on Feb 8, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I know, me too
Sorry about that, ya’ll.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 8, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Love the Jackie Chan though. LOL
RonSkitzo FOR PREZ BRAH
Fo real
No AP at work?! What a guy to do? Actually work???
by ArrowDread on Feb 8, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm avoiding that right now.
Client callbacks what?
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 8, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I was lost and confused.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
My only question is when he'll be moved to his natural position of SB Nation Network Administrator/IT guy.
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by severn58 on Feb 8, 2012 10:57 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
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would be nice to have the spellcheck function available in this header section, though
seeing as how comments are not editable (hint to the ACTUAL SB Nation Network Administrator IT guy: please do something about that lack of spellcheck availability, would you please? thanks ever so much!)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
it works in this header part? (here)
cool! I have spellcheck in this lower area …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I accidentally flagged your comment. Sorry
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
What to do about RT
If we go into the season with either O’Callahan or Richturdson resigned and starting then we should just write off the season. Richardson would be a better pass blocker if his hands and feet were tied together and he was laying on the ground, at least that way he could act as a speed bump instead of a swinging door.
I still think we draft tackle in the first round, guard in the second or third, and possibly either sign another or draft another depending on how they feel about Mims progress.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
by Fozzyboyd on Feb 8, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good point about Mims.
The part of the equation that fans don’t have access to is the progress of the younger guys. Just because they were never activated or thrown into the starting lineup doesn’t mean they won’t be ready when next season starts. Don’t forget that Brian Waters was one of those guys when he started out. It worked out pretty good for him. I think if they feel Mims and/or Maneri are making good progress, the draft priority may go down a bit.
True story
It’s tough to count on, because generally those guys don’t end up panning out. But it’s something to at least consider.
The same applies with Powe on defense.
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For all those Stanzi homers out there…
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta remember the Stanzi homers :)
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Stanzi TRUTHERS, pal :)
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 8, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Maneri making progress?
He needs to be locked in two places, for nine hours a day each: IHOP and the Chiefs’ training facility. If he had any meat on his bones or muscle on his frame, I think the move to tackle would be panning out a little more clearly.
Instead, he still looks like a damn blocking TE whenever he comes on the field. Of course, since that’s how we used him in ‘11, maybe that’s not all bad.
STILL. If we’re going to pay a kid to hang around, we need to put his skinny ass in a position to develop.
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 8, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'm OK with him as a #4 OT and #4 TE for short yardage
but, I don’t see him ever doing much more than that
It's nice to be able to comment again
I don’t care what they do at RT as long as it’s addressed through free agency or the draft. B-Rich must be a backup next season. Hopefully the move they make will allow Albert to stay at LT.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 8, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions
@#12
Chiefs draft Mike Adams. Re-sign Richardson (backup RT) short term & Albert long term. Allow Adams ceiling to dictate whether Albert remains on the left
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 8, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions
...or moves into the slot.
Guy’s going to make Welker look like Doug Baldwin, and Doug Baldwin look like Samie Parker.
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You're a slot
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Don't threaten me with a good time
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 8, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
how about not messing with our left tackle
it seems to be about the only think on that line that works
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I've read
we can trade down and still get Adams. Isn’t he the 4th best tackle available?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 8, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to see Richardson resigned if the price is right.
I don’t want to see Richardson starting though. I think he could play any spot on the line except center which will allow us some flexibility.
Good point.
I’d like to see Richardson at guard durring the preseason. He may very well be a beast on the inside. He is quick enough to be a pulling guard on running plays, and his size – coupled with his experience at tackle – would be an advantage. I still think they need to look at guard in FA or the draft (or maybe center, if they move Hudson to guard).
by David Winton on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
If we go to more of a man/zone combo scheme, or an "angle" scheme, I think B-Rich would be an awesome guard.
If we stay in the zone, he’s a little too tall for the position—I dunno if he’ll be able to get low enough to execute some of the movement blocks.
There’s a couple of guys built like B-Rich who have made it work, lately, though (Snyder in SF, Gallery in Seattle) so we’ll see.
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Off topic
I have been having problems with AP all morning getting the “503 error” screen. Is that a picture of Jackie Chan?
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That is, indeed, Jackie Chan.
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Don't stop at Carr and Bowe
I think they would be smart to lock up Albert longterm too with his contract up next year. He’s consistently got better and better and debateably, based on stats, got snubbed at the Pro Bowl this year and we may not get so lucky next. Learn from your mistake with Carr and lock this guy up before he gets really expensive.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Don’t make the mistake of waiting until a guy…
A) Has a career year, and
B) Is about to hit the open market.
Arguably the first has happened with Albert already. The best way to save money is to get him locked up now.
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Why?
Asamoah isn’t moving, and Lilja is still a lot better at LG than Barry was at RT. Richardson should be on his way to being either a back up or looking for a new team.
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Lilja what?
Back in ’10, Lilja was a beast. I think age and maybe some hidden injuries got to him last year, because his play was not nearly as solid.
And what happens if we lessen the amount of zone we use? Or switch to a man scheme?
Keep him as depth, let him compete against anyone else we bring in, etc…but I wouldn’t hand Ryan Lilja a starting job just yet.
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Maybe Lilja suffered from declining center play?
Lilja is still relatively young. I find it hard to believe he went from a beast in 2010 to not even being a viable starting option in under a year’s time. I wouldn’t give up on him yet, but we should definitely focus on getting a replacement to develop behind him, just in case.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
That means DT will kill the QB
like that guy did in GB in the preseason
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Do we draft a RT with the 11 pick in the draft.
If we draft Reilly or Martin in the first rd, do we switch Albert to the RT or make Reilly or Martin the RT. I would rather them trade down several times and pick up ILB Hightower, or guard Glenn, or center Konz. Then draft RT Adams or Sanders in the second round.
Albert isn't moving.
It’s amazing that we’re now going on 4 years… and every year this comes up… and every year it doesn’t happen.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
what if LT really IS his Natural Position?
AP might explode or dissolve or something
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Maybe it's just because he's an all around good lineman?
Yeah, he can play LT or G. Whoopee. But he’s not the problem on the OL. Don’t fix what ain’t broke. Address RT directly, not via LT.
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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 8, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That makes too much sense to work
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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Huh
AP might explode or dissolve or something
So that’s what happened earlier!
by TheScootness on Feb 8, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Explode?
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 8, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Or, we could grab a couple of OL through the FA,
And trade up to draft RG3… I’d be ok with that.
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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 8, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I heard RGIII was so good he didn't need olinemen.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
And someone will be dumb enough to do it.
We can only hope its the Raiders or Donkeys.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Psh, like the Raiders have any first round picks left in the next decade.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Did they say that's what they want?
Or are we just speculating?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I dont speculate but just a rumor
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/323271-price-for-st-louis-pick-and-who-might-pay-it
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A question worth revisiting is who won the Giants-Chargers trade that sent Eli Manning to New York? Unless there is a major surprise, Andrew Luck will be selected with the first overall pick. The St. Louis Rams have the second pick and coach Jeff Fisher recently said his team is open to trading the pick to the highest bidder. That pick can be used to select [Robert Griffin III]. So what would it cost the Dolphins to rise from No. 8 or No. 9, depending on a coin toss, to No. 2? A lot. It will take at least two first round picks and probably closer to three first round picks. And it might actually take this years No. 1, next year’s No. 1, the 2014 No. 1 and possibly something else like a third or fifth rounder thrown in there.
The Miami Herald
Yep.
The Jets traded far less (like a 1st, 3 mediocre players and a later round pick) to move 12 spots to the 4th pick and get Sanchez. 3 firsts is ridiculous.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I figure they are gonna bank on the fact that
the salary is cheaper and some team is gonna get drunk on RG3. I say two 1sts and a starter is where the floor is.
Could happen.
What with the way the new CBA worked out rookie contracts. But it might not. We’ll see.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
For the record i would trade up for RG3
i hope they ask for to much and nobody bites. then Minny is on the clock and at least we have a trade relationship with them and could work out a deal.
Dreams
I have a feeling it's going to happen.
It’s a long sot, I know, but the Chiefs have already said they are going to “aggressively upgrade the QB position”, and they are on the coat tails of a bad public image right now. An aggressive move to acquire RG3 would cure a lot of ills.
I am probably one of the few that won’t be surprised if they make a strong play to get him. This off season has huge implications for the Chiefs future. They’re definitely at a “fork in the road” moment.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Strictly my opinion
If Pioli meets RG3 he is gonna love him. but i think we have a better shot trading with minny that STL because they need so much help in STL and Fisher wants to rebuild it his way and is gonna want more picks. I at least want us to try 2 1’s is not alot really it is only 1 since you are swapping.
If we somehow move up and land RG3
I’ll be absolutely giddy.
Seriously, I’ll giggle like a little girl for weeks.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
High picks are worth more now.
So you can’t directly compare the Sanchez situation. RG3 is probably more coveted than Sanchez was too.
That said, I don’t see anyone spending three firsts on him either.
yea but i have read other writers say similar
2 1’s. because the salaries make it easier to trade and teams can offer more without the financial bind.
so what would be a good price for KC to offer before it is too much?
2 firsts, Glenn Dorsey, and a 2nd?
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i would do that
if that 2nd is a 3rd jog to the podium.
*i know this will never happen unless Pioli falls in love with him at the combine or something.
Yeah.
Also, a 1st, a 3rd/4th and Bowe would be acceptable.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
yea i just wouldnt want to give a second unless we get the Oline done in FA
by km230015 on Feb 8, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very good call
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That could well work too
I’d MUCH rather keep Bowe than lose him, but if he’s asking for Fitz money…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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Yeah if he demands Fitz money
We line up Baldwin, Breaston and draft another guy or hit up free agency – and hope that Baldwin has #1 WR skills. (I think he can, for the record).
But I’d waaaay rather have all three killer B’s on board.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Me too
Bowe’s a great, great receiver. He can produce despite lousy QBs.
Not many other receivers can say that. That said, no receiver is worth Fitz money, and QB >>>>> WR in level of importance.
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Hopefully we can trade him if that is the case and get something in return
then just draft another rook and sign a stop gap like Braylon or B.Lloyd (to keep the B’s) or some other WR. If you are getting RG3 having him grow with the WR wont be as bad like what Dalton and AJ Green got going in CIN.
We wouldn't need to draft a WR
Just sign one of the many in FA.
When you’ve got a good QB (which I think RG3 will be), your WRs matter much, much less.
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Agreed
There’s about 20 guys in FA that are decent WR…about 7 or 8 of those are WR1 guys….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 8, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
I would pay that for Luck
Not Griffen though
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 8, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well we do have Mims
How many O-linemen do you need? Greedy bastard
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 8, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
CHOOSE! CHOOSE THE FORM OF THE DESTRUCTOR!!!!!!!!
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Did some people NOT read the post above about albert doing so good?
in 4 years he has had 2 really good years, and coming off a really good year now, thats a good sign if you ask me.
leave him at LT the guy is not moving no matter what unless he is no longer on the team. its a broken record at this point and I think its time to come to realize the guy is legit.
He will never be willie roaf I think thats why people are so down on him cause they always compare what willie was able to do, there is no willie roaf in the whole league at this point though either.
Albert stays, AND it shouldn't even be in discussion to move him.
Dude gave up 5 sacks last year. Not too shabby. But he’s also a monster run blocker. He’s one of our best O Linemen.
B Rich, on the other hand needs demoted to backup or cut. Gotta upgrade the RT position. And, IMO, it should be done via free agency.
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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
There is none but saying "It should be done via free agency" is just too easy to say.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I like the idea of Pioli betting 400000$ on him coming to KC
And then paying him 20$ next season to make sure it happens.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Totally. There are no good OTs hitting FA...
Demetrius Bell
Kareem McKenzie
Brandon Keith
Plus another 27 that are going freely to FA, not counting Richardson and O’Callaghan.
Actually looking into who’s available is a lot harder than just saying “there is none”, I know.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
There’s no one in free agency that’s better value then drafting a midround guy and developing him and maybe hitting paydirt.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I'm talking about 2012.
What evidence has Pioli given you that makes you think a mid round rookie lineman will replace Richardson this upcoming year? You want to draft a mid round lineman? Fine. I agree. Keep developing the OL. But what are we going to do about the upcoming year? Look to Lilja and Weigmann as examples…
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Because he's already stated that the oline is an issue that needs to be addressed?
And Pioli isn’t one to specifically label things like that. There’s no reason a 3rd or 4th round guy can’t step up and be an immediate upgrade over Richardson. And what I’m inferring is there is alot more value in doing that then there is signing a FA who would be a marginal upgrade or a huge question mark at your position of need.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Ok.
I’m pretty sure he’s known or stated that the OL needs addressed every year. My question again, is what have you seen from how he handles OL upgrades to really make you think that a rookie mid round lineman will be his plan over a FA?
I’m NOT arguing that he shouldn’t continue to draft and develop linemen. That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
my point was
I’ve looked at the list, and I’m not convinced those guys are viable options that would be clear upgrades
by stagdsp on Feb 8, 2012 11:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
You don’t think out of 29 OTs about to hit Free Agency, with no restrictions, there isn’t a clear upgrade over Richardson? Ok then.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Why would we want just another replacement though?
All the guys you’re listing are marginal upgrades and all he’s saying is that he’s not convinced by them.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
right
I don’t see the point in swapping Richardson out for another guy that we’ll hope gets replaced soon.
I’d draft a RT early. period.
Seems like marginal upgrade is the fad around here, what with a lot of people clamoring for Orton over Cassel.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Marginal upgrade is better than no upgrade.
But a huge upgrade is preferable to both of those.
If huge upgrade ends up not being an option, at least marginal upgrade is a step in the right direction until we can make a bigger upgrade.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Seriously though,
If that’s how Stag feels, I’m not going to change his mind. I’ve agreed with Stag on several different things in the past, and respect his opinion. My opinion however, is that Richardson is about as good at blocking as a sack of potatoes. IMO, any player that has reasonable experience and ability would be an improvement. I see Bell and McKenzie as considerable upgrades.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Of the list mentioned above (which is not exhaustive, I know)
…only McKenzie is an upgrade. And he’s getting up there in years.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
Sounds like he's right up Pioli's alley then:
only McKenzie is an upgrade. And he’s getting up there in years.
Sign him to a 1-2 year deal, draft and develop his replacement, similar to Weigmann.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Marcus McNeil is rumored to be getting cut after a neck injury and Gaither's good performance.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't rather have Gaither.
I think he is too proud or didn’t want to play RT and that’s why he didn’t start. He mailed it in until he thought he could get a shot at LT again. RT’s make far less money and he knows it.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 8, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
your opinion
which is fine.
but, I didn’t see anything from Gaither that indicated any truth in your statement
we’ll never know, though
He never got a chance to learn the playbook
because Muir kept falling asleep during film study when the lights went dark.
See wild speculation can be fun just embrace it.
Well you either have to believe that
1. He didn’t want to play RT and therefore didn’t try.
2. He wasn’t better than B Rich at RT and therefore didn’t play.
3. Haley didn’t play him on purpose even though he was an upgrade.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 8, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
think thats one of the things haley got fired for?
cutting gaither and pioli seeing what he did in san diego after cut, he did alot of stupid stuff like that cough cough pollard, alot of poeple dont like him but we could have got something for him.
Or from another angle
There’s no one in free agency that’s better value then drafting a midround guy and developing him and maybe hitting paydirt.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Demetrius Bell
Kareem McKenzie
Brandon Keith
Those are the main 3 I’d be happy with.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Bell is the exact opposite of BRich
Good pass defender and not very good in the run game. He’s also a LT and may not convert to the other side. McKenzie I don’t mind but he’s not getting any young and like BRich had issues in pass defense.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
First off, all 3 of them would be an upgrade over Richardson, IMO.
Second, I don’t put much stock in LT/RT differences. If nothing else, moving to the RT position would be easier for the lineman, since they’re not tasked with the opposing teams best pass rusher most of the time.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
This isn't Madden and the difference between the two spots is very real.
Look at Gaither for example. Among other issues surrounding him, when he did get the opportunity he looked terrible on the right side but played pretty well on the left with San Diego. The footwork is different, the type of player is different and the responsibilities are different.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Gaither's one snap that he played was pretty damning evidence.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
One snap at right tackle?
You better go back and re-watch the games.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 8, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, I will. Can yopu remind me which games he played in?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Keith blows. Hard. He pass protects like a '77 Olds 88 (i.e., he doesn't because he canNOT move efficiently)
Bell….MAYBE. He’s been powerfully underwhelming with the Bills. A new scene and a new position MIGHT be good for him.
McKenzie I like too, but he was drafted by the Al Groh regime with the Jets. Yep, in like 2000 or 2001. He’s got a mile or two on the tires and might not be able to play at a high level for another year.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
I like Albert...
but I suspise (meaning to make stuff up with little to no knowledge…really) that he has played poorely in the past at times due to injury…ie, bad ankles. I wouldn’t be against bringing in some competition for him just for that reason. Worst case, he moves to G/rt, and we crush teams up front.
I would like to get competition after we get starters in place
5 guys who wont get whatever QB killed then bring in talent to challenge them.
ok...
might be one reason…but it’s not qbotf…we could take Weadon on the cheap and be good for 7-8 years…maybe.
by 12t on Feb 8, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
just messin
i dont think it is far fetched to make a splash and sew up the oline in FA then get depth/competition in the draft but that has not been the track record so far it is build through the draft then patch holes with FA.
I think Richardson should be resigned as a backup. I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at G. His run blocking is good and G has less space to cover for Pass Pro.
I dont think they will take a T in the 1st round, because I think Martin and Reiff will both be gone before we pick. There is some nice options in the 2nd and 3rd round. I like Z. Sanders and Bobbie Massie in those rounds.
I would really like to wait on Ricky Wagner next year from Wisconsin.
I thought he might come out this year and what a beast this guy is.
Would we need a top ten pick to get him, though?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
We really need to fix the interior line.
Weigmann was terrible and hopefully Hudson will make a difference but I’m not sold on Lilja either. Never thought I’d say this but at this point, I think upgrading the interior is more important than replacing Richardson.
OT
Albert is solid… he, Hudson, Asamaoh are a fantastic young core to build upon.
Richardson would be a great backup/swing OT
Mims is the wildcard… they MUST have seen something in him to promote/keep him over Gaither… it’d be a HUGE boost to this team if Mims were somehow ready to take over at RT in 2012. I’m not banking on it, but it would be nice.
Albert*DeCastro*Hudson*Asamoah*Mims ? :)
I would draft a guy in the first 2 rounds, just to be sure the position is locked down… unless Mims is ready, then a G and TE would be awesome.
The lack of Mims jokes almost made me forget he was on the team
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
David Mims will be the answer at either LT or RT
All jokes aside, David Mims is the answer to these tackle questions. Chief Nation, take a leap of faith with Mims, he will be a star in the NFL, he only needed coaching and time, and last season afforded Mims both. Go Chiefs
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by Big Daddy Booster on Feb 8, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
While I'm not big on giving "The Offensive Lineman who shall not be named" any unnecessary publicity
I’ll say I’m a little intrigued to see where he stands come OTA’s.
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
Makes two of us. He's athlete enough for the zone scheme but he's big enough for a man or "angle" system too.
But…let’s see if he learned any technique this year.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
Mims stands wherever Mims chooses...
(Sorry, had to be done…)
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 8, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Draft guard DeCastro or Glenn in the first rd.
Then ROT like Sanders in the second rd. We can use free agency to get a RB, TE, and ILB.
You could replace Richardson with Roaf in his prime and all you'd be doing...
is giving the QB more time to throw a bounce pass
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Can Martin play RT? Even though he was Stanford's LT?
Richardson was the WORST RT in the league. He NEEDS to be replaced, there isn’t really a bigger hole than that right now. If KC goes out and fills in the other positions in FA, like TE, NT, ILB. Than getting an OT is #1 priority in the draft.
I would like to have DeCastro, but can he play RT? I know Lilja is depleting, but drafting say Rieff or Martin for RT and going out and getting Nicks or Grubbs would be huge for the line.
Albert/Nick-Grubbs/Hudson/Asamoah/Martin-Reiff
RT should be the #1 priority, regardless
DeCastro is the man, and NO, he shouldn’t be asked to play RT…
that being said, there’s a chance you could take him in the 1st, and come right back for a Sanders-type-guy in the 2nd to play RT
Ding Ding
now that’s a good idea and then what after a TE,LB,DT or RB in the 3rd and after
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 8, 2012 12:08 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Is there still issues with the site?
Seems like “reply” on fanshots isn’t working.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Does anybody else find it funny
that everybody mocks a tackle to the Chiefs first round every year since Albert was taken. I think we can hold off to the second and hopefully snag Zebrie Sanders
Decastro is fine for our 1st rd not a RT
I don’t see other then M.Adams someone worth a 1st rd pick even Adams I’d say a late 1st but early 2nd so I hope Scott addresses most of the OL in FA and maybe a NT the other positions can be taken in the draft
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 8, 2012 11:53 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Might Make Sense To Trade Down
Pioli is not going to cut Cassel so Pioli must revamp the offensive line. I concur that Albert can play LT for another 2 seasons. The Chiefs can draft a quality RT in the second round so if a top defensive lineman or corner back falls to the 11th pick , the Chiefs should consider taking advantage of the extra positional value & trade down 8 to 10 spots & hope that they can draft 2 players with less positional value (OG DeCastro, ILB Kuechly RT Adams or NT Poe) & still have their 2nd round to draft a RT. The extra pick can be used to draft a RB or TE. I would also draft Trent Richardson if he falls to the 11th pick in the 1st round. You can never have too many franchise running backs. Of course this assumes that Clark Hunt will resign Brandon Carr
by Chief Fan from DFW on Feb 8, 2012 11:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
ya I like that
I wouldn’t mind do that I like all of those guys you mentioned they all could help our team and also think its better to look at a RT in the 2nd rd
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 8, 2012 12:05 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think we should
Draft an OT.
Go after Nicks in FA
if we don’t get him
Move B.Rich to guard.
The guys is still just 25 years old…6’6 319lbs of human.
I still do not like drafting a RT with the 11 or 12 pick.
A very good RT can be taken in the second rd. If Hudson is the answer to Center, then draft a guard DeCastro or Glenn with the first pick. If they think Hudson is the answer at guard, then trade down and get a center. If they are able to fill one of these spots via free agency then grab a TE in the second rd that can actually play 16 games a year.
So you can't find guards in the 2nd round?
I honestly think the Chiefs will upgrade one of the positions through free agency (my hope being Carl Nicks) and the other in the draft. I think Reiff has the best all around potential of the three Ts in our draft position (with Martin and Adams) and would be a great addition at RT.
10-12 quality TE's in Free Agency
Rather have one with NFL experience than one without…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 8, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
If you draft for a starting RT it has to be in the first round.
I just don’t think you can find a starter outside the first round. I’m not saying you can’t, it’s just that the likelihood drops dramatically outside the first round. IMO RT is a position the Chief’s have to address in 2012. BRich is just not getting the job done. It’d be great if they’ve already got the solution in Mims or Gaither but FA doesn’t look like the long term solution the Chief’s need. I have no problem dropping the hammer on a RT in the first round. If the talent is there we need to move. Personally, I like the kid from Iowa Riley Reiff. I think he’s the typical Hawkeye .. not real sexy but you plug him in and forget about the right side.
Anybody read The Blind Side?
It turns only half the book was about Leanne Tuohy. Michael Lewis makes a strong case for the LT being nearly as vital as the QB. I think Albert should ultimately move to RT.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
I bet the Offensive Line coach we hire will have a huge say on who plays where and does what next year.
DaBoll slams a Red Bull and gets busy :)
If we draft a tackle at 11/12, he has to have LT upside.
Right now, Adams is the only tackle I see projected in the first round besides Kalil who’s shown ability to be a good RT and possibly develop into an Albert-level LT. And he has some character questions that might justify a pass.
It’s just not a good tackle draft class. Whoever we draft at 11/12 is almost bound to be a reach, and that’s no way to use that pick.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
3 options as I see it
1. Go after a franchise QB. Give away at least two 1st rd picks and a starter, then spend like a banshee in FA to upgrade RT and a G with whatever is out there. (I don’t like this option at all, and this is counter to the Hunt/Pioli way).
2. Use FA to address RT, probably picking up a servicable but aging veteran, sign BRich to be a back up, and going after Decastro to imporve the interior. Potential to also draft a young RT prospect understanding that they are developmental.
3. Use FA to address G, spending more $$$ to get a guy like Nicks. Draft a RT in the first rd, being willing to reach to fill PON.
Curious as to which is a bigger reach—G or RT in 1st rd. If we are building for the long term and next year has a good OT class, then option 2 is the way to go. The reality is that we can’t do everything in this year, so what makes the most sense in the long run? It could be that the year to build for is 2014, the year we make a move for a franchise QB because we finally have a killer line in front of him.
I hope they trade down and get Cordy Glenn who can play left guard.
Then come back with Sanders or Massey in the second along with a TE Fleener or Charles..
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