Chiefs 2012 Off Season: Poised to Make Noise
The 2012 Chiefs off season should be a memorable one, in fact, it better be. With a new coach, a new coordinator several needs and a lot of cap room the Chiefs are poised to make some noise.
The Staff-I like the hiring of Crennel for a few reasons, mainly because the players like him and believe in him. I feel as though a lot can be said for a confident team and they certainly seem to buy into what Romeo is selling.Although the defense was inconsistent, mainly due to the lack of a steady pass rush, they made strides as the year went on. I give a lot of credit to Romeo for getting the most out of this team, bringing along a guy like Houston slowly but giving him more snaps as he progressed. If Romeo can get the pass rush to step up the way he got the secondary to progress the defense will be a top 12 defense.
I do not like the Brian Daboll hiring. Not at all. I don't like bringing in a guy from a losing environment like Cleveland and Miami. He does nothing for me. I want to change the culture a bit and I don't see him as that guy. Please prove me wrong! The offense needs to be less predictable and to hopefully take some more shots down the field.
Our Free Agents-
I think Carr is a must re-sign, I see Flowers and Carr as a poor man's version of Carter and Hasty. Back in the day, you had those two manning the corners with their in your face attitude and dared people to throw on them. I love when I see Flowers and Carr do the same. Flowers needs Carr, the Chiefs need Carr. Pay him.
I think Bowe is an integral part of the offense, not indispensable, but a key cog. The offense bogs down without him and he has strung together several good seasons without consistent quarterback play. Without Bowe, they take a step back and will have to rely on Baldwin (unproven, can he be counted on, on and off the field?) and Breaston (a great complimentary player, not a lead guy) and whoever else they choose to bring in (Lloyd, Garcon, a rookie- none as good as DBowe). Pay him.
I like McGraw for depth but he cannot play as many snaps as last year. Langford can help, maybe. But we keep hearing about how athletic he is and what a hard hitter he is. I just see him chasing after open receivers and wishing he was faster!
Gilberry, Richardson, Battle, Belcher- all fourt can be brought back for depth/back up positions. None of the three should see significant time but can each foill a role. Wally can get to the passer, but lets see him drop 20lbs and get his quickness back. Barry can be the backup swing tackle, but he cannot start 16 games again. Belcher can play in some sets but I think they need an upgrade at the ILB position. I like Battle as a compliment to both Charles and Dex.
I think Wiegman is going to retire and hats off to him for a very good career. To me he defines the word solid. Never spectacular, always reliable and a solid player.
To me McClain can stay or go. The offense does not do much with the fullback so of he wants to stay for a decnt salary and block a bit fine. If not, go younger and cheaper. His 20 carries and 15 catches are easily replaced.
Thomas Jones- see Wiegman. If there was a Hall of Good not Great Players, they could go in together.
Pope, Palko, Becht, Urban, O'Callahan, Gregg, Sabby, O'Connell- thanks for the effort and good luck next year. Mr. Farmer wants to see you, bring your playbook.
Who To Target-
QB- In my opinion Cassel defines mediocre. He is average in every facet. He is as good as the players around him. They lift him up, he does not lift them up. I am tired of the Chiefs QB being brought "up" by his teammates, let's get a QB that elevates those around him. is that #18? If he's healthy, then yes. He is the type of player to help them take the next step. If Peyton cannot go or chooses balmy Miami or the riches in DC then we need a plan B.
Orton is a bit better than Cassel and I do feel as though hes an upgrade. If for no other reason than I don't have to see Cassel "turtle" and take sacks in big spots. Orton > Cassel, but not by much.
I have zero interest in Campbell and I don't think Flynn will be worth the contract he gets. To me, it's Manning, then Orton (versus Cassel in camp) or go with Cassel and hope he reverts to 2010 form.
OG
Carl Nicks would be a huge upgrade and he comes from a winning organization. He's not a retread from the Miami/Cleveland regime (see Daboll, Brian). he is a physical presence along the line that they sorely need. This will allow Lilja to slide to a backup role as he winds down his career. If he is too costly, I like Ben Grubbs too. He is a poor mans Nicks. The Chiefs have the cap room, let's spend some money on a stud lineman!
LB
Curtis Lofton has been a leader on a decent Falcon defense and he would be an upgrade to an already emerging LB corp. Atlanta will have to choose to pay him or Grimes, I say they keep Grimes as CB is a tougher spot to fill. Lofton stays in Atlanta, Stephen Tulloch from Tennessee would be a nice option too.
C
Scott Wells or Chris Meyers- both guys are hard nosed centers who are 30,31 years old with a few good years left in them. Both will offer an upgrade of Wiegman. I liked Hudson but the fact that he rarely played last year is a concern to me., Hudson may prove to be a valuable reserve but not quite starting material.
TE
JerMichael Finley-if the Packers let him go we should be first in line. I like Moeaki but his scouting report coming into the league was "talented but injury prone", and in two years he has proven just that. Finley is a stud and if we could pair the two of them the offense would be that much more dynamic.
WR
If Bowe stays then we do not need anything here, I like the group we have including Copper as a special reams guy. If he leaves then we need to look at a guy like Stevie Johnson. A guy entering his prime who has proven he can produce on Sundays, even with some bush league antics. I like him, I don't love him...
The Draft
Huge opportunity here to upgrade the offensive line with a tackle like Martin or the defensive line with a guy like Still. I also like some of the receivers coming out and if Bowe goes you may see a guy like Blackmon if he drops to 12 or maybe Floyd from ND.
I think we need to go OT first, DT second. Then fill in with a WR, a Safety for depth, an ILB and a RB. I can also see them taking a flyer on a QB in the later rounds.
As I said, they are poised to make some noise. Some core pieces are in place. Any team in the league would like to build around guys like Hali, Johnson, Berry, Flowers, Carr, Houston and Lewis on defense. On offense, guys like Charles, Bowe, Albert, Asomoah, Moeaki, Breaston, Baldwin are all players you can win with. With these guys in place, there is talent; with the cap room they have there is money to spend; with their draft position there is opportunity to get better and younger in a hurry. They are poised...to make some noise!
Well, tell me what you think...GO CHIEFS!!!
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Agree with everything
But I see Stevie Johnson re-signing, and If we get Manning, Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli probably won’t pay another huge contract, considering they’ll be paying Carr and Bowe also.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
You would think Buffalo would re-sign Johnson
I live in the Buffalo area and if you guys think Clark is cheap. Ralph Wilson makes Clark look like Donald freaking Trump.
by jared_calhoun on Feb 7, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
awesome, another brand new poster ... welcome Mike, great first post and thanks for your contribution to AP
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
very cool
for a minute I mistook your name with the guy who commented above (Aaron Mannici) … similar names there :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Nice post
I disagree about McClain. I think we was not utilized properly at all this year. He can be the guy to eat carries to keep JC fresh.
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he wasn’t used a whole lot but i don’t think any FB will be in this offense (or any offense for that matter). i think he’s a good player, has the fire in his belly that you love to see. i just don’t think there is much of a role for him in this offense. that being said, if he is affordable and ok with a secondary role, bring him back; but i wanted chase him.
Well, we reallly don't know anything about the new offense. Without two stud TEs
I would hope for more creattive playcalling involving the FB. In addition, McClain was the loudest, most positive cheerleader this team had when 99% of the world had already written them off. I don’t want him going anywhere else.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 7, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
yah, I like McClain
most definitely a “team player” for sure
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Definitly
He should be able to be even better with a New RB maybe, and charles.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 8, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
McClain
I would 1000000000% rather keep McClain as a running back (ignore the FB role) than Jackie “6’2’’ of sissy” Battle who can’t get an inch with a huge hole in front of him because he wants to be Jamaal and dance… McClain can be used as our big back even if we don’t utilize a FB, which I disagree that we wont use one. If you watched him, he did a very good job with the ball in his hands when he had the chance.
I love McClain, and they HAVE to keep him
but, I couldn’t disagree with you more about BAttle
the guy ALWAYS puts his head down and falls forward for the extra yard.
he’s one that can only take what the OL gives him, but calling him a sissy is offbase
I wouldn't say that, he runs very, very hard, he gets 3 or 4 yds everytime!
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 8, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
What??
Jackie "6’2’’ of sissy" Battle who can’t get an inch with a huge hole in front of him because he wants to be Jamaal and dance
What games were you watching? I saw a ton of times that he slammed into the defenders, gaining 3-4 extra yards than Jones would have in the same situation.
Dude has no moves whatsoever (0 cut runner), but he’s a straight bruiser. Sissy is the last word I’d use for him.
by TheScootness on Feb 8, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Great post
We desperately need to pick up good players in the draft and in f.a.
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 7, 2012 8:09 PM CST reply actions
Manning will never play again
And settling for Kyle Orton is throwing in the towel. He played 3 of the weakest defenses in the NFL yet averaged only 13 pts per game. Anyone remember his last 2 losses to the Chiefs?
If Stanzi who like Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kurt Warner, Trent Green saw little or no playing time as rookies isn’t the answer the Chiefs need to draft someone else. But for God’s sake stop settlign for this Carl Peterson esque garbage of thinking people like Kyle Orton is a savior.
Carpe Diem
Manning MAY never play again ...
it’s not yet settled, even though if I were him I’d retire gracefully … but I’m not him, and who knows what he’ll do
as for Orton, if you think the Broncos won 8 games on the strength of their prolific offense you better fall back and punt and think again, my friend … he at least moved the ball and rang up 300 yards passing 3 games in a row … w/o a running game
I’ll take Orton any day
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
They won 8 games based on their prolific defense for the 1st half of 2009
Not Orton’s arm, if he is so great explain again all of 3 tds against bottom rung defenses like the Packers/Raiders/Broncos?
Carpe Diem
Lack of first string RBs, TEs, and a poor Oline? You know, the Chiefs' offense.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 7, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Except one only had maybe 10 practices and the other one had 3 years
Nevermind that Orton was throwing for over 3500 yards 20 tds under those conditions in Denver.
Its amazing that you think that Orton shouldve been lighting the scoreboard up with a dislocated finger on his throwing hand and a couple of practices
by Willie Beamon on Feb 7, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
I am not asking for 'lighting up the scoreboard'...but I would like a QB that can throw from more TD's then Intceptions, and for SURE throw for more than 1 TD in 3 games.
You know, all those things Orton did not do for us last season.
by DivineGrace on Feb 8, 2012 6:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What about the 2 TD drops
can’t blame those on Orton
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
LOL you think that Romeo was focused on getting Orton some nice numbers or just winning the game ?
Before the final game what did Romeo say ?
It wasnt about Orton and vs Tebow it was about the Chiefs and doing what was needed to win the game .
3 games
limited practice
a dislocated finger
300 yard games but struggles in the redzone
How is low tds passes not surprising considering how much practice time is required for redzone success considering the low tolerance for errors of any kind.
by Willie Beamon on Feb 8, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I was at the Green Bay game and saw first hand Ortons 299 yard game.
When Josh Freeman is hanging 342 yards and a couple of TDs on Green Bay…and after watching Orton AT the game…I am not impressed.
Then he had a 300 yard game vs Oakland…this stink bomb is the main reason I DON’T want Orton to be retained…guy give up the ball in the end-zone and had we just gotten a feild goal out of that drive it could have sent it into overtime.
The talk on Cassel is that he doesn’t ‘put the game on his shoulders’ and win a game ‘because’ of him, not in ‘spite’ of him. Orton’s game vs. Oakland we lost that game ‘because’ of the shoddy QB play (throwing and interception in the red zone) and not in ‘spite’ of Ortons great (or even ‘good’) performance.
I am not saying Cassel is the long term solution to the QB position, but Orton isn’t even a short term solution to anything other than maybe a backup QB…let alone a ‘long term’ solution.
lol what does Freeman have to do with Orton ? Orton was here a couple of weeks with limited practice and Freeman was with his team two years
As i said before trying to say Orton should do what other qbs with tons of prep time should do is ridiculous. Its a disingenuous argument no matter how you try and spin it .
Your logic that if Orton doesnt throw the pick in the redzone we wouldve kicked a fg ignores the fact that he set us up for two other fgs that got blocked that wouldve accomplished the same thing ?
You then also seemed to ignore that Orton against Oakland drove us down to tie it in the 4th and then drove us down and setup the potential game winner that was blocked so this whole its all Ortons fault we lost against oakland because he threw a pick in the redzone is a stretch
by Willie Beamon on Feb 9, 2012 2:28 AM CST up reply actions
Point being that you don't have to be a 'top' or even mid-range QB to put up decent stats vs. Green Bay
The Green Bay defense gives us a TON of yards, to everyone. It is not a good ‘yard stick’ to measue by. Orton has not, and will not ‘put the game on his shoulders’ any more (and likly LESS) the Cassel and the Oakland game drove home that point (at least to me).
Now if rolls were reversed (Orton was under contact and Cassel was the URFA) I would say keep Orton and let Cassel walk because neither are ‘all that’, game managers at best (Slight nod to Cassel as game manager, because he does not throw picks in the red-zone)…but that is not where we are at. As it sits right now…let Orton walk, play Cassel, and draft a ‘team’ around him.
Good point
I cant disagree but i still don’t really want another season of Cassel dumping the ball off, getting sacked etc. But we all need to come to grips that Kyle O is no Johnny U!
but no one was talking about Orton stats they were talking about his intangibles pocket presence quick delivery etc and the fact that we won the game
Nothing against (Palko) or (Cassel), man, just — Kyle is a new beast out there with us," fullback Le’Ron McClain said. "He ran the whole game on the sideline, coming to us on certain plays, telling us in the huddle — boom, boom, ‘Just get open for me right here.’
Its not about few stats here its about command of the huddle and what youre trying to accomplish . Orton tossed 3 tds against the packers the first time he faced them but lost .
Im so tired of people simply not fact checking that pick thrown by Orton in the redzone is a rarity the guy has one of the best td to int rates in the ratio in the league and youre not game managing anything throwing for over 7 yards per attempt .
Orton isnt some of HOF QB but the cherry picking of certain things simply to compare the two is getting ridiculous here .
by Willie Beamon on Feb 9, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
My thoughts on Manning
Whether or not Peyton will play again remains to be seen. I think he will, His desire to play is too strong. However, I think the best possible scenario for the Chiefs would be to bring Peyton in on a duel role contract. Bring him in as our starting QB for a few years, then keep him in house as QB coach/ OC once his career is done in a couple years. Considering his skill at commanding the offense and calling plays, I think that he’ll eventually become a coach anyway, why not guarantee him the opportunity to have that role here. He’d be an immediate upgrade to our team, provide in essence the QB coach we currently need, plus eventually be a valuable addition to our coaching staff. Will it happen ?…I won’t hold my breath.
Manning isn't done.
He clearly said he has no plans on retiring, and multiple reports say he will be ready.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 8, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
You'll take medicore any day
Have an immediate family member thats a pt he has said for nearly a year now he is done. Remember Troy Aikman 11 years ago thought he could still play too. Hes done.
Carpe Diem
Aikman had concussions...
Peyton had a nerve issue. 11 Years ago they didn’t have stem cell surgeries to regrow nerve fibers. Don’t count Peyton out yet.
Why would you want a cancer like Stevie Johnson?
He is all about himself. Would just be a big problem in the locker room…
I sure hope our 2nd round pick is better than a “valuable reserve”. Hudson should step in and the offense not miss a beat.
by Traegil3 on Feb 7, 2012 9:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Plus Stevie is owed a payback by one E. Berry.
Carpe Diem
by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 7, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No more than
One Mr. Dwayne Bowe. They both have an awesome record of dropping the big time passes. It would be the perfect replacement.
But Bowe doesn't get stupid penalties
by acting like he shot himself in the leg
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
since he's into the idea of a problematic receiver
why don’t we go after T.O? He would be much cheaper than stevie and knows that he’s on his last legs literally and figuratively. I could be serious but then again I could not..
I'm guessing "not"
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
McClain's carries and receptions could be replaced, but what about his stellar blocking?
People don’t realize who much a good, brusing, smart fullback can really do for a running game. Chiefs fans were spoiled by Tony Richardson. He never got the credit he deserved from the average fan because he was “just a fullback”. I mean, what does he really do? A lot, I can assure you of that.
Also, can McClain’s leadership and attitude be replaced, too? He was probably the teams most upbeat and inspirational player this year when we really needed it. If he gets dropped I… I… I don’t really think I would do anything but I sure wouldn’t be happy about it.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 7, 2012 10:34 PM CST reply actions
agreed, he's awesome
Tony Rich … that man! hell yeah … was it him who would always ALWAYS be thee for a screen pass with the BEST hands in the business … one FB we had for awhile …
McClain, unsung hard working beast … would like to see him a bit more involved (other than blocking)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
might be thinking Kimble Anders ... liked him a lot
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah, Anders was the guy from the 90's who was always more of a runner and receiver.
Richardson was more of a blocker. However, in 2000 he led us in rushing and was used as the 3rd down receiver for quite a long time.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 8, 2012 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
Richardson paved the way for Priest and LJ, Anders blocked for Marcus Allen, Donnell Bennett, Bam Morris, etc.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 8, 2012 7:26 AM CST up reply actions
Donnell Bennett was the real deal..
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 8, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Favorite part was the comment on Daboll
especially where you wondered why KC settled on a guy from a culture of losing. My sentiments exactly.
In accordance with the prophecy
Marcus McNeil may be released by SD
Could Marcus McNeil be used as a RT?
To expound
since my boss was walking up behind me. McNeil would likely sign a fat contract to play LT wherever he goes. Albert could be moved to either LG or RT and be an instant upgrade. I am happy with Albert at LT, but if we signed McNeil it would be to play LT, otherwise he will sign somewhere else like the Vikings, St. Louis, Detroit, Colts… the list goes on with teams needing an upgrade at LT.
What if we start Stanzi?
Then RT becomes the important spot, right?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
The advantage of getting Manning is this:
In two or 3 years,Stanzi should have by theen picked up a lot of valuable things from Peyton, and starting role by then. If not, we will be able to draft somebody, go free agency, etc. If he’s healthy we have to go for him.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
Something to think on
Was thinking, after watching the Giants in the playoffs, I saw multiple times them utilizing their fullback Hynoski or what not pretty effectively, was making me think of what we could do with some missmatches on McClain and some FB to the flats or FB screens, esp. if Jamaal gets back to normal and we have a QB that can handle PA well, could be an interesting facet of the offense for 4 or so plays a game. (Was really funny watching Hynoski running over people.)

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