Had a good talk w/ Dwayne Bowe other night. Said he likes Haley and spoke to him recently. Said they had issues his 1st year, but not since.
Last thought on KC: I believe Bowe wants to stay longterm with the Chiefs, but the contract has to be right.
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So, we haven't spent up to the cap
still aren’t at the cap, and we have a ton of money we can carry over to next year. We better sign Bowe, Carr, and Orton, then bring in some quality free agents.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Tampering if Bowe heads to Pitt?
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Haley hasn't officially been signed by the Steelers so no.
But I don’t know how what the Dolphins have done so far in regards to Peyton isn’t tampering.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 7, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Based on this and his comments the other day its sounds like Bowe has every intention of signing.
Now if he could do the team a big favor and get it done before Feb 27 so we can tag Carr that would be great.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Can we tag Carr with a 2nd round tender if he doesnt sign?
Or something similar ?
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 7, 2012 5:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
nope. he's unrestricted. the only tags you can give him are franchise or transition tag
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Hmm. So its sign him, lose him, or sign and trade him.
Hopefully we sign and keep.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 7, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
If the Chiefs fail to sign Bowe and Carr, I wonder what excuse they will use.
I certainly would hope they dont use the “they wanted too much money” excuse.
Well, either Bowe is lying
Or Nick Wright was wrong.
Let’s try to guess which one…
by bossmanham on Feb 7, 2012 1:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
if that's what Bowe told Trotter then that means the flap about haley ragging on Bowe this year (and supposedly improper language, etc) is totally false
Said he likes Haley and spoke to him recently. Said they had issues his 1st year, but not since.
I know at least a few here on AP raised that ugly spectre when Haley was dismissed by the team … that Haley made a possible racial or whatever comment to Bowe who went to Pioli who fired Haley almost immediately blah blah blah
speculation and rumor at the time, but where did it come from> where did even the IDEA of that BS come from, and why?
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Leak from Pioli to try to soften the firing Haley blow?
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Because Wright is clearly a Pioli stooge.
by bossmanham on Feb 7, 2012 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lame excuse, perhaps ... yeah
I wouldn’t put much past Pioli … would you?
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although I wouldn't call it a "leak"
it’s more like a “plant”
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Yes, plant is the correct term
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from kcsno ... the Nick Wright bit
Final straw for Haley getting fired was: ‘Todd Haley and Dwayne Bowe had a major falling out, and…it culminated with Haley saying some horrific things to Bowe on the practice field, Bowe then went to Pioli and complained about this, SP told TH to stop it, and then TH mocked Bowe for going to Pioli to complain.’
Nick Wright – First and possibly last time I’ll quote him.
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by upamtn on Feb 7, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't remember who he said he heard that from
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not sure he even DID say who ...
but it certainly seems to be false at this point
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He just tweeted me when I ribbed him on it.
@getnickwright: @bossmanham I’m going to address it… The event happened, I had the timing of it incorrect.
That’s pretty bad timing, lol
by bossmanham on Feb 7, 2012 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what, like 2-1/2 years bad timing?
please … that’s the most lame excuse I’ve heard in ages
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Also, he said it was the final straw for Haley.
That seems to be a pretty specific screw up.
by bossmanham on Feb 7, 2012 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ya think?
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I saw this and it got me to thinking.....
Are you by any chance living in a northern suburb, working on a law degree and have a female cousin pass away in an auto accident a few years ago? I have a sinking feeling that we’ve crossed paths offline.
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Perhaps your wife's cousin passed in an auto accident
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Soften the blow
of firing a coach who has presided over more blowout losses in franchise history, including five of 27+ points in this year alone? Yeah, he must have been worried that fans would revolt over firing that guy.
by Tarkus on Feb 7, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He apparently was worried about the backlash when he wanted to fire him after the 2010 season
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Maybe.
But that was coming of a 10-win division title. He certainly didn’t need to make up any excuses to fire him this year.
such a picayune amount of money, too
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uh huh ... guess it was a good think Haley obliged him this year by losing
fewer lame excuses to dream up for Pioli, right?
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that he'd have needed a year ago
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At this point, the Chief's (Pioli) don't want to pay Haley. I understand
that first it is decided by the NFL, but then could end up in court. If it goes to court, we will find out the whole story.
Court? For some reason, I thought this kind of dispute would be brought to an arbitration board.
If so, then we wouldn’t necessarily find out anything.
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I think that's right but if Haley is happy with the results, I think it
would be his option to take it to court.
seriously, all Pioli REALLY needed to do is say that he and Haley didn't meet eye to eye on some things and he was releasing Todd from his contract
the team is moving in a different direction blah blah blah and here’s nice letter of recommendation for Todd and good luck
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after reading how Belichick runs his film study meetings and embarasses his players over and over again ...
… beginning to think THAT’S the Patriot Way
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What if it is?
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then I'm embarassed that it's happening here
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especially if Pioli has been working to undermine Haley and hurt his (Haley's) reputation just as a prelude to firing him
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Haley's a big boy, he doesn't need you to look out for him.
For that matter, all the employees at One Arrowhead are adults, including the players. If anybody’s being being subjected to worse treatment than they can stand, then…well, they won’t stand for it.
If the Chiefs become a SB winning dynasty known for smart, disciplined play, I won’t be a bit embarrassed by that.
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I'm sorry you have that kind of "ends justifies the means" attitude ... that's really kind of sad to me
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Oh for Pete's sake. What do you think is going on, slavery?
You think Pioli keeps a real mountain lion in a pit under his office or something?
Really, what’s the big crime that’s happening here? Adults being berated by their boss, maybe? Why is that a big issue?
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for starters, this team represents my hometown
what happens at One Arrowhead Drive reflects on the city, for better or worse …
secondly, if this was a 100% private entity I probably wouldn’t care, certainly not as much … but since at least part of Arrowhead (renovations) have been funded using public money, it’s a bit different than just a “private little office” someplace
third, if the prevailing public attitude is such that any employer can be such a schmuck towards employees just because he’s “the boss” then it does not bode well for anyone in the workforce, anywhere
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by upamtn on Feb 7, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, there's the road to hell right there...
What happens in my community reflects on me. So everyone in my community needs to stop smoking right now, filthy habit. Stop drinking too, that’s just bad for you….
Aren’t you a teacher, Ups? Are you a PUBLIC school teacher? Because somehow, I don’t see you publishing the details of every teachers’ lounge tif to all your students’ parents, much less to all the taxpayers.
“Schmuck” is subjective….. and no, you don’t get to define it for everybody.
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dude, I;d love to publish what I've heard about some of the schools I've worked in ...
you have NO idea … the taxpayers have no idea (or maybe they do but don’t care)
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My mom was a teacher.
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Milf, then? Congratulations.
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did he say "Got Milf"
what’s that white on his lip … milk?
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Just chalk.
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rock
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booooooooo
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Jaychickens
he’s misguided
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Jayhawks, a team named after pillagers.
Now THERE’S a target for your righteous anger!
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hey, at least they weren't slaveowners! :-)
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We're the Tigers, not the Slavers :)
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and that's why we're joining the SEc
Alabama, Georgia, Missississippi, Arkansas … yeah, great FREE southern states there ;-)
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They are now.
They got fixed, real good.
I do miss the Big 8, though. Wish we hadn’t sold out to Texas.
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I know, huh
Big 8 was Great
gonna miss the Border Wars … esp basketball
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Deep Throat was right: follow the money
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she was no fool
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and you don't wanna know what's happened to me lately
come to think of it, I don’t want to know, either … but sadly …
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I heard a bunch about some, uh, quirky people my mom had to work with and for,
and saw how impossible it was for her to get a job after she took time off to have my brother, because the school system was required to pay her according to her experience. Pretty crappy system. But then, most government-owned systems get that way after a while.
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let's say that right now I'm not working due to an "incident" that was beyond overblown
you’d fall over laughing at it, but the ramifications right now for ME are not pretty
and Mitt’s “sagety net” … from down here where I am, it looks like a string
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Yeah, I don't think I'd be surprised about any petty workplace politics stories at this stage in my life.
Always entertained, but never surprised.
As for Mitt….I really think we might be better off as a country if we just go totally without government politicians for a year or two. Kick ’em all out, give it time enough for those backdoor campaign promises to expire.
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I'm all for that
Pres, Senate, Congress … all of ’em
wonder about Supreme Court at times, too for that matter
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Pretty crappy that this country was founded basically as an alternative to royalty,
and now we’ve got a small group with their own separate health care system, pension plan, self-regulated ethics code and income system, doorkeepers, heralds…..
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And I'm not talking about the NFL!
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IOW ... Royalty
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you realize, of course ...
you sound suspiciously like a LIBERAL (angelic smile)
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Boing Boing called me a militant libertarian.
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Which I guess is close, if you only count spelling.
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you should read more and be a militant librarian
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I've heard that pays well.
/wikileaks
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And yes, you absolutely WOULD care just as much about a private entity.
You ALL up ev’r body bidness :)
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Dude ... I heard it was a freakin' LIGER!
If that’s true … Scotty P. is one kickass hella bitchin’ cool dude in my book! :+D
You think Pioli keeps a real mountain lion in a pit under his office or something?
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 7, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, until he said he wasn't gonna pay Haley.
Or maybe Clark said he wasn’t gonna pay Haley.
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Not in so many words.
But apparently Haley isn’t getting paid.
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According to whom?
It’s all been rumor and hearsay, and Hunt/Pioli aren’t going to comment on anyone’s contract, let alone a coach they recently fired.
Very true. I don't remember where the original report came from.
I’ve just heard enough about it around AP, I assumed it was fact.
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It does get thrown around a lot
But it seems to be still in the “rumor” stage at this point…nothing official as far as I’ve seen.
It would be fascinating if it were true though, because it would seem that they’d need a really good reason to go that route. Perhaps it would at least settle all the damn conspiracy theories spreading around here.
I don't know how to search it but it was mentioned
here on AP. Maybe someone can find the article?
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Chiefs-may-not-pay-balance-of-Haley-contract.html
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There it is!
It’s all based on the word of a radio guy in Phoenix. Everything else has been reporting what that guy tweeted. Beyond that, there doesn’t appear to be much to go on.
well Phoenix explains it, right
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odd, doesn't say if he heard it from haley or the Chiefs or ... who(m)
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Hearing the Chiefs R refusing 2 play Todd Haley the remainder of his salary, was terminated 4 cause, another words 4 a specific reason. #kc
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Indeed
It seemed to happen around the time Haley was down there for interviews…but it’s still something he was “hearing.” Who knows where it came from, really? It is fascinating how much that one tweet has affected the story though, especially around these parts.
Yeah,
Pioli’s candy wrapped not being picked up is an open ended ‘cause’ for any of those terminations. Of course there was no ‘age’ discrimination.
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" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
So far...this has been Wright's rebuttal...
@getnickwright Hey @SI_PeterKing, curious your thoughts on Todd Haley as Steelers OC after writing his interview “was a courtesy interview.”
@bossmanham @getnickwright What about the Haley v. Bowe story you propagated that Bowe just debunked? And you’re going to get on Peter King?
@getnickwright @bossmanham I’m going to address it… The event happened, I had the timing of it incorrect.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 7, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
What got me to even say anything was he mocked the apology.
by bossmanham on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought that was lame as well
He said ‘if’ he apologized…when anyone can look at his timeline and see that he did actually apologize.
and you already pasted your tweet above
so I apologize for the repetition.
It will be interesting to see what he says if he says anything at all.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
we need to get Kent Babb to do some "investigative reporting" and have him interview Nick Wright about this
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I doubt that would happen
Babb is on his show frequently, so I doubt he’d grill Nick very hard.
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shame
I’d LOVE to grill him to a nice “well-done”
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Yeah
but tainted meat is never good.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
unreal ... just unreal
remember, too … King didn’t break any “news” with the haley interview, that was posted 5 days ago here on AP in fanshots
Gerry Dulac: They do think the world of Dick Haley, which is why I think they granted his son, Todd, an interview. Todd Haley has had a difficult time getting any interviews since he was fired by the Chiefs, and part of the problem is his reputation for being unable to get along with players and, more importantly, his fellow coaches. The Steelers, in my opinion, are merely doing Haley a favor, which is why I also think they announced his interview on their website. Since when did they ever do that? Did they announce on their website that they interviewed Jim Caldwell for the same position two days earlier? Of course not.
They want to help Haley get the ball rolling again, as a favor to his dad. At least, that’s my opinion. Coaches who might know say Tomlin will not hire Todd Haley.
Steeler reporter Gerry Dulac helps shine some light on the Todd Haley interview in this online chat.
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LaCanfora quotes on NFL Network
“I don’t see Haley being one of Ben’s choices to coach him.” He said something else as well, but I don’t remember.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 7, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
good think Haley isn't the QB coach, huh
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Had to find my post, this is what LaCanfora said
"His style’s a lot different than what Ben’s used to."
"He wouldn’t be Ben’s first choice to coach him."
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 7, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
no argument about that ...
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Good job of pointing out those chickens coming home to roost UPs.
It would seem there are quite a number of bogus reports coming out of Arrowhead in the last few months…the common denominator? Scott Pioli.
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" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
IMO It does appear that Haley got the shaft in many ways. How about the story last summer
about him in a bar touching some woman in a “wrong” way. I did not always agree with everything that Haley did but I think he’s a darn good coach and as of now, “it’s the Steelers gain and Our loss.” Good Luck Todd.
forgot about that one
more and more it looks like “someone” was out to ruin his reputation … hmmmm, who would want to do a thing like that?
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I believe that story broke right before training camp
and went away as quickly as it got mentioned.
Then there was the cancelled team meeting in Chicago.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 7, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
which turned out to be what ... dinner date with the wife?
shameful!
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probably still upset that Haley went to a Jayhawks game w/o taking Pioli along
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Pioli isn't a Jayhawks fan
but he certainly loves him some Lil Wayne!
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ha!
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He was probably also really upset that Haley was getting consideration as
Coach of the Year. That had to really chap his a__. Lol.
And now that the Steelers hired him, and you can bet that they checked those stories out
very carefully and if there were any real truth to them, they probably would not of hired him. Unfortunately, this continues to make the stories about Pioli and working at Arrowhead look more and more like there is some truth to them. As fans, especially those that spend a lot of money going to the games and so forth, we just might be being fed a bunch of BS and again, if something isn’t done about FA’s, Manning, or other indications that this team really wants and will do what it takes to win, we all should be very, very unhappy and with justification.
in my mind this goes way past basic issues of running the team (FA's, personnel, etc)
these are management issues at the deepest levels … above and beyond the normal “BS”
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by upamtn on Feb 7, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that the Chiefs have hired 2 new coaches whose own teams wanted to retain
them, you can bet that the 2 coaches checked those stories out very carefully and if there was any real truth to them, they probably would not have come to Arrowhead. Fortunately this continues to make the stories about Pioli and working at Arrowhead look more and more like there is not a lot of truth to them.
if your logic stands, why doesn’t mine?
damn I wish I had Nick Wright's cell phone number
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there is a way to send a text to his show
send it to 69306
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 7, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, but it's not a "live interview" ... world of difference, IMO
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I remember reading about an interview with the Raider's new GM talking about The
Green Bay way and he was emphatic about how the GM and HC have to really get along and communicate closely on everything. Just think about some of the FA retreads that Pioli brought in the first two years. Any new coach would not be happy with the way FA’s were being fed to him and again, IMO, gives a lot of justification for Haley being upset (PO’ed). And then, if Haley acted unhappy, he got all the blame.
and a story by ... I think Jason Cole ... about Pioli and Haley at the combine a year ago
where Pioli is looking down at Haley talking to reporters with a look of “contempt” …
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yup, right after Haley was fired, Cole had this little tidbit
The look from Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli told you everything you needed to know.
Last February at the annual NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis, Pioli was strolling along a second-floor walkway above a large room at Lucas Oil Stadium where the media had been designated to work. Pioli looked down, as he is want to do, and observed then-Chiefs coach Todd Haley talking to a group of four reporters.
You could almost feel the contempt drip down and splatter Haley and the scribes.
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ahhhhhhhhh ... yet actual interviews with past employees isn't subjective either?
Tark, how much do you want?
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Nick Wright's blast about Haley using racist or offensive slurs towards Bowe was most certainly not objective
but then too, you dismiss the entire Kent Babb article as well, despite quotes … despite any and all evidence that might remotely paint Pioli in a bad light, you hold him up as being Mr Wonderful?
is that what you’re doing, Tark?
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Actually, what Wright said was objective.
It may have been wrong, but it wasn’t opinion, it was something he heard.
I didn’t dismiss Babb’s article as much as I said it was much ado about nothing. There was just a lot of speculation, but no proof of any wrongdoing.
so you dismiss the Babb article for lack of proof but don't demand proof of Wright's source of information?
come on, man
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Objective – Haley said @%$.
Subjective – I don’t like the atmosphere at work.
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try again
Objective: Babb wrote
Objective: Wright said
there is NO difference between a written account and a verbal account other than the medium …
if the Wright statement is objective then the Babb article is just as objective
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Are you purposely trying to confuse the difference between "fact" and "opinion?"
Maybe you’re just trying to say you don’t believe Wright? I don’t know whether to believe him or not, either. But if Haley DID say certain words, that would be a FACT. If he didn’t, then it would be a FACT that he didn’t.
People’s feelings about their work environment and their boss’ personality are opinions.
Why the heck am I trying to explain the difference between fact and opinion to a teacher?
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hold on..
Babb is reporting (objectively) that some people don’t like the work environment at the Chiefs. However, those peoples’ take on the work experience there is quite subjective…and doesn’t fit with the opinions of others, which is sort of what makes it subjective.
you're getting it
what those people who were interviewed thought is subjective … the article itself is objective
the deal about the wrappers, the coffee, the blinds, the parking spaces … all of that was objective (ie, statements)
here’s the kicker: Babb told us the sources of those claims and statements … Wright (to my knowledge) never told anyone the source of his “information” (ie, the Haley-Bowe incident) other than to say himself that it happened
see my point?
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Right on
I don’t trust much of anything that Wright says…based largely on his past misfires and general attitude.
Still, I think its important to stress where the subjectivity/objectivity line is with the Babb article for the sake of the larger discussion.
Poll - What comes first, we win a Superbowl,
or we cure Ups of his liberalism?
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Hah, I'm pretty damn liberal too
Not sure I’d want to “cure” ups of that. :)
Chiefs will win 10 Super Bowls before that happens :-)
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I'm Conservative but, good or bad, ups and
I seem to agree on most things Chief’s. However, I’m all for going after RGIII.
Whoa! Well, whatever you had with Ups,
you just shot it all to hell with that RG3 remark :)
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And I've told him he's a little too hung
up on DeCastro.
you know nothing about how I'm hung
wait …
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Your mind is made up.
You hear what you want to hear. I never said Wright was right. In fact, I’m one of the ones who is very skeptical about most things he says. All I’m saying is that what he said wasn’t him watching someone’s face and then making an assumption what they were thinking. He was providing info he heard, apparently. Not saying he was right or wrong, just pointing out the difference.
And I already explained my feelings about the Babb article, a million or so times. I’m not saying he made anything up. I’m just saying there wasn’t a whole lot of substance to it. Which is why most of us have moved on.
and your mind is made up as well ...
lack of substance, interesting you say that seeing as how the article from Babb was based in part on actual interviews
whatever, Tark
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yup, and I hope a lot comes out to the daylight
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Again, your priorities are so screwed up, its ridiculous
To hope for negative light to be cast on the team you claim to love is misguided and borderline sanctimonious.
Burning down the city to save it isn’t the way things are done.
Unbelievable that you would justify being in this boat, ups. Very disappointing
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
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If someone truly doesn't like someone involved with the team, hope for their release with discretion, not for all the dirty laundry to be aired so to make the team look stupid for hiring that person
Why drag down the whole organization for everyone to see just to prove you were right?
Isn’t this exactly what Aiken has become: so fixated on one thing with the team, they would rather see the team fall to mediocrity and embarrassment than accomplish greatness?
Can you imagine what would happen to aiken and ups if the team won the super bowl this next season? They might burn Chiefs merchandise in effigy.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
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Big 10-4 there Smokey Bear
Uppers would become suicidal if we traded up for RG-3 and lost our chance at DeCastro … or got Peyton, and won the SB.
Can you imagine what would happen to aiken and ups if the team won the super bowl this next season? They might burn Chiefs merchandise in effigy.
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 7, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
its just lousy in my opinion. obviously it was ugly on both sides at some point but my gosh...pay the coach and move on
makes them look so cheap…
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Must be why
fans from other teams call us “The Cheaps.”
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
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I thought we were The Chefs
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Keyshawn Johnson calls us "The Kiefs."
That’s why I don’t like him.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
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Uh, same could be said about your asinine sarcasm...
at least 75% of all comments on any website are “arguing” of some sort. Welcome to the internet.
Am I the only one who kind of notices that there is a chance of him going to Pittsburgh?
With Him, WQallace, and Brown, they’d by far have the best WR in the league. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
Should depend on their cap space.
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he does seem to like The Color Green from his statement above
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Don't we all.
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I wouldn't know other than grass
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Like you know.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
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Bowe don't know Diddley?
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Feb 7, 2012 5:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They don't have the cap space.
they’re going to be right up against it, they may need to cut some vet guys loose
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
plus with wallace, brown and sanders...one has to wonder why they would go after bowe
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Jim Trotter was wrong on this story initially
He stated (paraphrasing) that Haley and Bowe had an altercation late this year and that was the ‘final straw’ for Haley. Wrong!
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