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I live in Iowa and have been a Chiefs fan for as long as I can remember. Being an Iowan I' also a huge fan of the Hawkeyes and watched every game that Stanzi played in. From what I can tell from all the post lately is that Cassel is not the answer and Orton is a little better but we should pick up a real franchise quarterback or snag someone is free agency. Seeing as Stanzi has only been on the team for one year I don't understand why he's being overlooked as a viable option for the future.

I don't really feel like rambling on about why I think he should be the best option for next year and the next 10 years so I'll stop here and let you all give me your opinions on this.

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A full offseason. An open competition. I hope he is the guy.

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Feb 7, 2012 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

If he was the guy

He would have been active over Tyler Palko

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 7, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope

Haley lost his mind at that point. As soon as Crennel took over he bumped Palko off the depth chart. Nice try though

by RamX21 on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

A joke huh

How many rookie QB’s started the past 3 years? I’m not talking about him having success, I’m talking about the fact he couldn’t beat Tyler Palco out. That tells me about all I need to know

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 7, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Kinda like Jared Gaither couldn't beat out B-Rich

And Wade Smith couldn’t beat out Goff. And JC couldn’t beat out LJ (or Savage for a couple of games). And DJ couldn’t beat out Williams. And Bowe/Breaston couldn’t beat out Urban/Copper for many 3rd down snaps.

almost like there’s some kinda weird pattern there :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

But most of those guys got playing time and were high round picks

Stanzi couldn’t even get activated. Besides, other than Tom Brady how many elite QB’s have there been that were taken after the 4th round? I am talking about guys that came in after 01. Not very many, in fact, the only guy that comes to mind is Tony Romo

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 7, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Kurt Warner

3 SB, 1 ring – UDFA.

Rich Gannon, 4th round.

Matt Schaub, 3rd round.

Matt Hasselbeck, 6th round.

Earlier in the NFL:

Joe Theisman, 4th round.

Brad Johnson, 9th round.

Dan Fouts, 3rd round.

Fran Tarkenton, 3rd round.

Joe Montana, 3rd round.

Bart Starr, 17th round.

Roger Staubach, 10th round.

Johnny Unitas, 9th round.

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 8, 2012 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Schaub is not elite

Nor is he after the 4th round like the question was

Nor is Fouts or Tark or Montana

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Stanzi is a benaficiary of the Tom Bradt effect

Now every late round is looked at as the next Tom Brady , when in reality ,they were drafted late for a reason. That is not to say that you can’t find a diamond in the rough. But, as we go deeper and deeper in a passing league, it has become harder and harder to do.

Christian Ponder is a great example. The guy is a 3rd round talent that was picked 12th overall, a huge reach. But because teams are so desperate for a franchise QB, they will reach for a QB with any talent at all(see Ryan Tannehill this year) . Thus, finding a late round steal is harder to find because the demand is so high and no team wants to miss out on ‘’the next Tom Brady’’

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 8, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Ponder was a 2nd round talent only because of injuries

Dalton was a 3/4 guy who jumped to the top of the 2nd.. and that was a great move so far

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Silly argument..

like ‘Haley no likey Stanzi’ isn’t? Seriously?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

My take on it isn't "Haley No Likey." I think Haley was more COMFORTABLE with Palko, because he knew Palko knew his system.

Stanzi is green as grass in many aspects (coming from a Ken O’Keefe offensive system, any passer will be).

I’d have more confidence in Stanzi getting meaningful PT in 2012 than in ’11…although i wanted to see what the kid had in him last year, I knew it would likely be a train wreck if we put him out there.

Vermin Supreme in 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY

by go_saleaumua on Feb 7, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I also still suspect that Palko was kind of Haley's "Foxtrot-Umbrella" to Pioli and Co.

But I have little evidence to prove it, it’s just my suspicion as a fan, so take that for what you will.

Vermin Supreme in 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY

by go_saleaumua on Feb 7, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

With how bad Palko was playing, the post season chances at that time

I don’t see how Stanzi was not put in UNLESS he was just not better than Palko. That could be from the lack of the offseason, to whatever else.. do I believe Haley did this and this or that just to spite Pioli? Nope I can’t buy that, would screw his chances to be a coach in the future if he was that idiotic.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

So a fired HC says something.. and its the same as game decisions?

Sorry, but no

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

He was still the coach

And yes, I think making accusations like that against his boss could screw his chances to become a head coach again. You don’t think so?

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 7, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Haley was the coach on Jan 14th when AP had the story?

Not as much as not playing the best players

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Or is that the new argument for Stanzi?

I’m confused…

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

really?

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 7, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually, the conspiracy theory makes sense in light of Haley's hiring in PITT

Think about it, PITT knew BALT was going to win the division. They knew they’d finish with the #5 seed, making them forced to play against the #4 seed, namely the AFC West Champion. They feared KC with Stanzi/Orton. Haley went to Omar Epps Mike Tomlin and told him that he would gladly throw the division to the Broncos in exchange for Bruce Arians job the following season. Tomlin, thinking that Tim Tebow would be ideal matchup in the playoffs round one, consented. But the Almighty, himself a Chiefs fan, granted Tim Tebow with the miracle of not overthrowing wide open receivers who got behind poorly designed coverage on the first play of overtime in order to punish Tomlin for his Faustian bargain.

When you mess with Daboll, you get the horns.

by Sudden on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you work for Jerry Springer?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Springer couldn't possibly come up with anything that imaginative

not in a million years

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by upamtn on Feb 7, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

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by CPT.Caveman on Feb 7, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

was the guy

maybe if haley did not have a man crush on Palko, he would have started. Haley had blinders on when it came to Palko.

by trchief on Feb 7, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

OR he couldn't beat out Palko

Why people twist things all the way around so it fits their man crush’s best interests I have no idea.

Seriously people.. what is more logical? ‘Haley no likey Stanzi’ or a late round pick couldn’t beat out a guy who knows the system? Hmmm…

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I liked the fact that Haley stuck with his qb...

You’ve got to give a guy a few games to get settled. The problem I have is that he was there from the beginning.

by 12t on Feb 7, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Plenty of reasons

Tebow-lite, a lefty with some mobility
Knew the system better than Stanzi.. so the best #2 option we had at the time

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

point is...

after 3 years you expect better, but really, it may just be that I don’t like lefty qb’s not named “snake”

by 12t on Feb 7, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed about expecting better

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

No man crush here.

But it was awfully suspicious how quickly Crennel made the QB change, making Palko an inactive 3rd stringer.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 8, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Orton was healthy

So why not keep Stanzi in the place he was at all year? Give Orton the shot, then Stanzi has his chance if all else fails.. Palko already did

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Tyler Palko was Haleys way of telling Pioli he could win with his guy, not Orton.

It cost him his job in the end.

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by CPT.Caveman on Feb 7, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

He was active over Palko...

Weeks 15-17 (after the madness stopped)

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 8, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not?

Just like elec said, put him in a fair competition to start through training camp. May the best player win.

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 7, 2012 1:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

And he should

As long as he’s given a chance to play with the first stringers. I’m not in the mentality we need to waste 3-5 picks for someone like RG3 like a lot of people are. I don’t think Manning is an option either as it will probably be yet another year before he’s even fully healed.

by Chief_Deus on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think trading away a few picks would hurt this team one bit

Looking at our starters, we don’t have a big need for many. And the ones we do need, like RT, NT, RB, aren’t major needs to justify a top 12 pick, especially in a draft this weak. We definitely need depth, but not to justify a using a couple of first rounders that we would lose in trading up.

We need a QB. We could use a couple of starters at some positions obviously less vital than the QB position. We could use some depth.

Go get that QB, even if the cost is a few picks. That could put us over the top.

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 7, 2012 1:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

We can still trade back

That would be the smart move. Just like you said at our position and the players available we’d be spending too high a pick on someone like a RT or NT. We should just move back get a couple picks and add to our lack of depth.

by Chief_Deus on Feb 7, 2012 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

According to you

There’s plenty of talent in any draft class. There may not be people you know but that doesn’t mean anything. In any case I don’t want to give away draft picks for an option QB and be forced to start him at some point in the middle of the season just to see if he can play like every other team that drafts a QB in the first round. In any case I don’t think Pioli will trade up in any draft ever. He’s all about those “value” picks.

by Chief_Deus on Feb 7, 2012 3:06 AM CST up reply actions  

According to me?

Not sure where I said that.

I will agree that I think Pioli does like those value picks. However, he did trade up for Moeaki. So its not completely unfathomable to think he could trade up.

On RG3, I would suggest you go back and watch some Baylor games from this last year. He really wasn’t an option QB in the way I believe you are inferring he is; he ran a pass-option offense, not unlike what Mizzou runs. He didn’t run the ball like Tebow does, he fakes the run with play action, then throws. He is accurate, makes good reads, decently strong armed, good mechanics and has poise. He had all of the intangibles: very smart, graduated, multiple seasons starting and playing at a high level. He is worth his top five ranking, and plays very well the position we need the most.

If there was ever a year to give up a couple of high picks to get in the top 3 and get the one position that could put this team in the elite range

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 7, 2012 3:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

and pioli did say he would make that trade atlanta made if in their position

so seeing our need for a qb, who knows.

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 7, 2012 6:31 AM CST up reply actions  

My only issue with RG3

is that it seems like every time I actually got to see him (which admittedly was was only 3 or 4 times) he was shaken up a couple of times per game running the ball.

If he’s having to sit out plays in college, he may end up having to sit out games in the NFL.

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 7, 2012 6:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

There’s no doubt the kid can throw the ball, but his ability to scramble will cost him in the end. If I’m looking for a Franchise QB it’s a pocket passer who I can count on long term. If I was trading up it would be for Luck not RG3.

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by CPT.Caveman on Feb 7, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

obviously thats not going to happen

so stay with Cassel is the best we can do this year?

by tomachop on Feb 7, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He already has traded up - see Moeaki.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 8, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

If the competition is fair

Then he should win out… I’ve watched him for a while too and he definitely looks like the best on the team, if not Orton.

by kc_Chiefs_31 on Feb 7, 2012 1:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

really

I don’t really feel like rambling on about why I think he should be the best option for next year and the next 10 years so I’ll stop here and let you all give me your opinions on this.

At least give some stats or videos to qualify this as a fanpost.

Stanzi was not a viable option because he was a rookie, had a shortened off-season, and needed to learn the system. He’s a 5th rounder, projecting to be a back-up. Just because he’s in that round, does not mean he’s the next Montana or Brady.

by kckrazy25 on Feb 7, 2012 2:14 AM CST reply actions  

Just because we picked him up in the 5th

Doesn’t mean he’s not as good as all the other quarterbacks picked before him as well. You want stats? Ok…i wasn’t really in the fact finding mood at the time. 2010 in his senior season… He had a 64% completion percentage and threw for over 3,000 yards with 25 TD’s and only 6 INT’s. He’s also 6’4" so he’s just the right height and he weighs in around 225-230 which is about Brady’s size. A little more to add..He’s great in the play action game and even a better passer outside of the pocket than inside which could be useful if our line isn’t any better next year.

by Chief_Deus on Feb 7, 2012 2:25 AM CST up reply actions  

ehhhh, where he was drafted is incredibly irrelevant. as it is for kendrick lewis at safety, etc.

someone can always buck the trend, and stanzi is just the type of guy to do so

if he fails, it wont be because the man didnt want it enough, or because he didnt try hard enough, both things that can take down even the best of qb prospects, see russell, jamarcus.

kiper loved him, other websites had him with zero red flags, going back 10 years only 15 qbs were on that list, and all but 2 were legit players

stanzi is one of the more promising, improving, 5th rd qbs in quite some time

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 7, 2012 6:30 AM CST up reply actions  

How is it irrelevant for Lewis?

He is slower in NFL terms.. which is important at the safety position.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 6:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Looks fast enough on the field.

Game speed is not always found in 40 times.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 7, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Except he has been beaten deep and taken bad angles to where he ran himself out of the play

Yes usually he looks great back there, but when those plays happen.. you see how slow he is.

Pointed out the reason Lewis fell, that is all. Not hating on the guy

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of conspiracies ...

you should take a look at the Bowe/Haley (via Trotter) thread in shots … seems our ol’ buddy Mr Wright may have spoken a bit too harshly about Todd back in Dec

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by upamtn on Feb 7, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I saw that

At this point I’m done with the Haley talk.. its the past and its all sorts of messed up ya know

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If i remember correctly

he fell b/c of a bad 40 time. He was considered an early round pick beforehand. I’m not really trying to argue your point. I’m more just amazed every year how much draft boards change from during these coming months.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 7, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone needs to tell RG 3,

to run a 7 second 40, so that he can come to KC…

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 7, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Let not forget

That with that short off season asking a rookie to step in is even harder. The kid needs to learn the playbook which I think many people do not consider. The QB needs to learn not only his position but what the entire O is doing, who is running what route where the pocket is designed to move how fast the play should/shouldnt develope, timing so on and so on. Thats a lot to ask a rookie to come in and learn in less than half the time a normal year would provide which is hard enough. This year is back to normal. Stanzi has seen the speed of the game, maybe learned some of his teammates tendancies and worked with an actual QB coach for a year. He may well be able to step in and win consideration for the starting nod who knows. That is also another plus for a player like RG3 though who not only has the intangible talents for the game but the head on his shoulders to be able to quickly learn a system. That being said, we dont know how RG3 would respond either but I personally like the upsaide a whole lot more.

Regardless of who is starting at QB I do realize they are going to be learning another new playbook this year. I really hope this is the last OC change for years to come.

**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**

by BDCinSA on Feb 7, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Im the same

Im from Iowa. Been a Chief and Hawkeye fan all my life. I was happy when the Chiefs drafted Stanzi. And his progress was slowed by no offseason and only Cassel to rely on for info during that time. Stanzi can be the guy, but he needs time. Or really the right coaches to get him to where he needs to be.

by Mancakes2002 on Feb 7, 2012 3:48 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Which they were forced to play him

Due to injuries to the other 2 QBs then no FA’s being worth a damn

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 6:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, if Orton had gone down again

Stanzi would’ve played. RAC said as much

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Stanzi

I think the fans are the ones not counting him. I like him. But if you bring in a draft pick at quarterback, then you breed competition. Stanzi is good. But RG3 could make Stanzi great. But the main reason is that the more quality QB’s you bring in, the more quality backups you will have on gameday. Just like at Tailback. We had a guy step up and will probably replace Jones. But we still need a replacement for Charles if he gets hurt. That may be McCluster. But another stud running back wouldn’t hurt anything.

by Totally confused on Feb 7, 2012 4:28 AM CST reply actions  

This whole season was a wash in most respects

We at least found an answer at OLB (Houston), and found that we have a pretty good young core of players that can compete. With a full training camp and guys coming back from IR, this willget interesting. Stanzi’s time will come if he is the answer. We will find out soon.

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by Tokyo Chief on Feb 7, 2012 4:38 AM CST reply actions  

He might be good but we can't put all f our faith on him when he hasn't played an nfl snap.

I bet he’ll get some attention in camp though

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 7, 2012 5:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

sure, give him a chance but don't rely on him

it’s just smart management to bring in multiple guys to compete for the starting job.

by aFan4Life on Feb 7, 2012 7:52 AM CST reply actions  

He's our firm 3rd QB

Just hope the 2 guys above him get hurt this season :)

by Brad-KC on Feb 7, 2012 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

If Stanzi cannot beat out Palko, there is something wrong.

Everybody want to trade up for RG3. I don’t thing the Chiefs are one player away from the playoffs. We need to hit a home run in the draft and free agency.
Need ROT, gaurd or center, good TE if Moeoki is on the sideline, inside linebacker, DT, and another RB.

by Mustang fever on Feb 7, 2012 8:40 AM CST reply actions  

I personally dont see the problem with that

For all we know Haley knew that Stanzi was the better option but for some reason felt the season was lost. Because of this he might have been trying to protect Ricky from taking the beating Palko did and trying to prevent what was happening with blane gabbert. Is that a stretch? Yeah, but I dont think its entirely impossible

swish

by swish7209 on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he's going to be overlooked now.

Crennel will give him a chance this year, so it’s all up to him. Changing O.C has to set him back some, but the year on the bench had to help. I’d be happy if we improved the o-line through the draft and let Orton/Cassel/Stanzi fight it out, or even trade Cassel for a 3rd round pick.

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by CPT.Caveman on Feb 7, 2012 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

Gotta sign Orton first...

that’s def. not guaranteed…heard Washington might want him…

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 7, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

We don't know

The chiefs are the only ones who know if he is fit for the job. We don’t know how well he has been developing. We are only speculating based on the information that we do know

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Feb 7, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

Orton couldn't get us in the end zone either!

I just don’t see where Orton was so damned impressive. He did the exact thing Cassel did. He moved the team down the field, but couldn’t get touchdowns, once in the Redzone. Hell, at least Cassel had 10 TD passes, in his 9 games. The defense won the 2 games that Orton started. I’m sorry, but Denver chased Orton out of town, for a reason. Why is he all of a sudden our savior? Once again. Be careful what you wish for!

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by Racyman on Feb 7, 2012 4:43 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Orton=Settling for mediocrity

For all the Orton supporters out there consider the following:

Packers 19th in points allowed/22.5

Raiders 27th in points allowed/27 per game

Broncos 24th in points allowed/24.4 per game

Yet the “Kyle Orton is a real qb” crowd wants us to settle for a qb who averaged 13 pts per game against 3 of the worst defenses in the league.

Anyone remember how awesome Orton looked in his last two losses to the Chiefs?

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 7, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not Stanzi

Thats what i’ve been saying all along. I would love hear your thoughts chief_deus since you watched guy from college. But Here’s my opinion. I think we may bring in Henne or Campbell to compete with Matt. Personally think Orton will get starting job somewhere else. Stanzi will beat out whoever else is brought in. Cassel will play well this season but I think once again another injury or either he’ll have another subpar game which will get him benched to him not trying wish anything bad on the guy I just think something is going to happen Stanzi will get his opportunity to start and like Romo and Brady he want give the job back. Stanzi has stronger arm Cassel more accurate and has benefit of actually playing in college. Which means things like looking off safety or throwing receivers open are things Stanzi can do because of that experience in college he’s just more developed QB because of that college experience. Its just somethings Cassel can’t get back. No matter how much time he put in nothing can replace experience of actually playing in games.

by joed2001 on Feb 7, 2012 7:10 PM CST reply actions  

Henne=Tyler Palko that made it, Jason Cambell=Black Kyle Orton

If Stanzi isn’t the guy then the Chiefs need to draft another qb, stop settling for .500ish qbs, that is so Carl Peterson.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 7, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

And i'm tired of hearing Stanzi couldn't beat out Palko

Lets get one thing straight it wasn’t a matter of Stanzi not being able beat out Palko how about that was coaching decision. Much like in New England Brady outplayed Bledsoe and Bellichick admitted he went with more experience guy. Same with Palko. IF you watched preseason when both guys wasn’t running for their life last yr you could actually see when both guys were giving time Stanzi was clearly better QB than Palko. But Haley went with Palko because of his experience with Playbook and also how much of student of game kid was. Not to mention Western PA connection Haley would always bring up when talking about different players and coaches from the area. IF Palko was better when Romeo took over at very least Palko would’ve stayed backup. Trust me Stanzi will be here next yr not Palko which tells you all you need to know about who’s better.

by joed2001 on Feb 7, 2012 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

I think Haley, with injuries and lack of depth, felt the best option for the team was

the hurryup, which is what palko ran, and ran pretty well actually at times. I only mention that because it shows what haley was going for, and only a qb familiar with the offense can really run effectively I imagine. If stanzi really is more of a pocket passer, and doesn’t excel at any one thing ( like orton with play action), i imagine Haley thought the offense would be worse under Stanzi than Palko, despite his obvious short comings, if he thought the hurryup was necessary.

Obviously all speculation, but I think it makes sense, and is pretty much what they where saying the entire time.

by LHO on Feb 8, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

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