More On Brian Daboll To The Kansas City Chiefs
by Chris Thorman on Feb 5, 2012 11:07 AM CST
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PrintLate Friday night, the Kansas City Chiefs hired their new offensive coordinator from the Miami Dolphins - Brian Daboll. The former Patriot, Jet and Browns coach held the same position previously in Miami.
We've had plenty of discussion about the Daboll hire here on the site so we went to The Phinsider, SB Nation's Miami Dolphins blog, for the southern Florida perspective on Daboll.
The Phinsider sent us a few thoughts on Brian Daboll. From the sound of it, the Chiefs are getting a solid offensive coordinator.
Brian Daboll is actually a coach a lot of fans did not want to see leave Miami this offseason. Obviously, with the firing of Tony Sparano and the hiring of Joe Philbin, there was very little chance of Daboll staying as the Dolphins' offensive coordinator, but many fans remained hopeful. I know Chiefs fans may not like the idea of yet another Bill Belichick / New England Patriots assistant coach, but Daboll could do good things in Kansas City.
The Dolphins' offense started slowly this year - not counting Chad Henne's 416-yard performance in a Week 1 shootout with Tom Brady - but I think that was a lot of the lockout not getting the players familiar with the new offense, new players coming to the team, and no one knowing how to fit them into the system, as well as Tony Sparano's desire to be a run first, power offense. Reggie Bush is probably the best example of both a new player on the team, and the desire to run between the tackles.
But, once Daboll was able to open up the offense a little and get Bush into open space, the offense took off. I think Daboll is pretty good at adapting his system to the players available, and he should bring a spark to Arrowhead.
With a full offseason to get the players into the playbook and familiar with the system, I don't think the Chiefs will have the same slow start Miami had this year. Daboll really is a good hire for the Chiefs.
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He had about 90% approval at Phinsider.
What kind of OC on a bad team gets that kind of love?
by Tarkus on Feb 5, 2012 11:12 AM CST reply actions 9 recs
I think that was a joke
The poll question was something like “Is Daboll a good OC or a bad OC?” The choices were “Yes” “No”
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
No, that wasn't it at all.
The question was whether they wanted him to stay. It was worded poorly, but the comments below supported the positive results.
it was worded poorly. but if you took the last bit off, it makes perfect sense as a question.
i do believe that’s what people were responding to. that’s how I read the poll.
Posterized. | @ | Fb
by Chris Sembower on Feb 5, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
It was worded poorly, but anyone who is literate understands the question.
It is clear that people who actually know Brian Daboll, think he is a good coach. Trouble is there is a lot of people who don’t want to hear that.
What is the excuse for the statement of the person above “Daboll is a really good hire”? Maybe Chris wasn’t clear when he asked the question?
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a team with low expectations
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
he’ll fit right in here at KC then.
This space for rent.
At some point
90% of Arrowhead Pride was sure Matt Cassel was a good QB.
by craig in calgary on Feb 5, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know
I don’t have stats to back up my blabbering as usual. It did seem during last year I was an island by myself.
by craig in calgary on Feb 5, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
it is nice that I got to be an some kind of 1% group.
i’m assuming 9% weren’t sure….
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by chief Stevie_k on Feb 5, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Tarkus when they first picked him up.
I was on board with it, after 3yrs of watching him play and what appears to be his ceiling. I think we need to move on with someone better.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
I'm pretty sure you vote "not sure"
Or maybe I’m not sure that you voted not sure.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Actually GB
I voted No, I was looking at his w/l record and honestly wasn’t impressed. although I’ve since sit back and listened to alot of the comments pro/con on the man, and I’ve warmed up a little bit . I think he probably deserves a shot at improving our offense with a full training camp, OTA’s and regular season before throwing a rope over the nearest branch.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
I'm encouraged by his experience in the NFL
as a Coach he may be entering his prime and hopefully he has learned a few things in his last couple stops.
At this point, it is what it is. Brian Daboll is a new coach with a fresh perspective that is a member of the Kansas City Chiefs organization.
For the fans, he will be on a tight leash along with Pioli and Romeo. If it doesn’t work out, the Chiefs will go through another rebuild sooner rather than later. So we can all complain now and get all bent out of shape or we can wait until he gives us a reason to act that way.
Either way, the season starts in eight months and I’m excite to see my favorite team play along with the return of Eric, Jamaal, Tony, Gabe and Brandon from injury. The Chiefs cut some coaching fat in 2011 and it will soon be time to see what they (newbies) can do.
Can’t wait to see who the rest of the coaches are, watch the draft, OTA’s and just not even have to talk about the lockout. Zero nuclear winter.
Go Chiefs.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 5, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe, but I have a feeling 100% of Canadians knew he wasn't.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
After reading that link, I am cautiously optimistic.
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by Pacific Chief on Feb 5, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Meh.
We’ll see. I’ll give the guy a chance, but I won’t get excited until I see some good things happen on the field.
by bossmanham on Feb 5, 2012 11:23 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
That's perfectly fair
and I would suggest that those experiencing a sharp negative reaction to this consider taking the same stance, rather than immediately knee-jerking into fits of rebellion.
I would also expect that if this were a different coordinator, several people would be of the same mindset with that hire (I would have been like this if we hired Huge Action).
I’m a notch or two in the positive on Daboll – We’ll see. I’ll give the guy a chance. I’m already excited and I expect to see good things happen on the field.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I'm just excited about the fact that we have:
An OC
A QB coach (for now, please stay – or get someone before OTA’s)
And a full off season with both on board
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
But will the pre-season consist of kick-boxing, lap-running and other MMA skills?
Heaven forbid KC should actually practice football during that time.
In accordance with the prophecy
That's where I'm at, too.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
by go_saleaumua on Feb 5, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I'm warming up to this move a bit.
A lot, actually.
If I’m not mistaken, I think this guy runs the Coryell offense and I like the idea of that. I like the attacking nature of it and a lot of folks on AP have said they think we should transition to a West Coast Offense, and this is a version of that.
Also, I just keep hearing about how this guy has all these crazy creative running plays and it’s making me pretty curious what he’s gonna do with Jamaal Charles and Dexter McCluster.
So I’ve changed my opinion from “Fuck this” to “Let’s see what happens”.
Maybe the guys in charge know more than we do about coaches than we do LOL. They did bring us Weis and Crennel.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 5, 2012 11:25 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
I'll green this
but the Vertical Offense/Air Coryell Offense isn’t a version of the West Coast Offense, but I know what you mean. It was called the “west coast” offense when Coryell developed it in San Diego, then renamed Air Coryell or Vertical Offense when Bill Walsh did his thing in SF.
It depends on a QB with a strong arm and downfield accuracy, so that would make me think KC will need to find a QB better at the long ball than Cassel. Orton would work in the short term.
But I’m pretty excited to see how he works the running game, too. Should be exciting. I’m moving from “not sure” to “good hire.”
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Air Coryell had two main facets:
1. Attack the defense relentlessly
2. Make sure Coryell has coffee when his own D is on the field cuz he never watches that.
I'd rather run the Air Croyle offense...
5 yard pass, injured from a sack, then goes home to this….
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*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.
Good insight
I’ll move from the “Fuck this” stance if his scheme requires Orton to stay and #7 to go and GOOD, young QB to be drafted. Until then…my ass is planted.
In accordance with the prophecy
He actually taylors his scheme to the players
So i doubt we run Air Coryell
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 5, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Wait a minute...
OC’s are allowed to adapt their system to the players we have? That’s weird…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Can he stay awake?
If so we have hope!
You Play to Win the game!!!
by Wichita Chief on Feb 5, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
agreed
we have never in the history of humanity overreacted to anything, ever … period
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
WTF do you mean?!?!
Never overreacted?…OMG OMG OMG! That’s so ludicrous!!! F U! F Daboll! F the Chiefs! F this I’m sooooo done!
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats not possible
didn’t you know that most people on here know whats best for this team more then the people who are running it and making the decisions, duh
To be fair
32nd, 29th and 22nd offenses don’t exactly scream success. But I’m hopeful as well.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 5, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
True but............
Look at what he had to work with? The Chief’s never had there coaching staff working together yet. Now bring in the people that can work together and lets see what happens. It will reflect on the playing field.
oh come on
What ever happened to coaching? You know, coaching up an average player to be good, a good player to be great and so on. It’s easy to coach guys who have elite talent. But, I want a guy that can make chicken salad out of chicken shit
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Youre in luck with Daboll
Made Jerome Harrison look like a beast, Hillis too, he even got Reggie Bush to look great and thats after everybody said he fell off
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 5, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention Colt McCoy who looked like a legitimate NFL quarterback (close loss to the Steelers in his first start followed by wins against New Orleans and New England and an overtime loss to the Jets).
Daboll gets the most out of what he has available to him.
Now with 30% more nuts!
whoa hold on
Don’t agree with this at all
Not to mention Colt McCoy who looked like a legitimate NFL quarterback
The guy looks average at the very,very,very best
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
‘Looked’, not ‘looks’.
He looked pretty damn good in his first half dozen or so games. Not a sure fire franchise quarterback mind you, but he showed enough to merit a closer look. Jeff Garcia looked to be his ceiling.
His regression this year, despite having more talent on hand and with a gaggle of supposed quarterback gurus in tow speaks volumes about Daboll and his ability to tailor an offense to fit available personnel.
Now with 30% more nuts!
the sun shines on a dogs ass to
He beat my saints, then again so did Seattle in the playoffs. But,the fact he regressed in year 2 is not a good sign.
His regression this year, despite having more talent on hand and with a gaggle of supposed quarterback gurus in tow speaks volumes about Daboll and his ability to tailor an offense to fit available personnel.
That doesn’t speak volumes about anything. If anything it speaks to the fact McCoy never grew with the offense and Daboll never adapted
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
How would Brian Daboll adapt to McCoy if he was in Miami
after 2010?
McCoy couldn’t continue to grow with the offense if the offense changed…right?
I’m not following your argument on this.
McCoy and Hillis had better years with Daboll and then didn’t do as well this year after he left (injuries, system change.) How is that a knock on Daboll?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 5, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Hillis was hurt last year
Miami in 2010 was 21st in offense, they were 22nd this year so they were worse under Daboll
Cleveland in 08 were 31st in offense, under Daboll in 09 they were 32nd…again worse
Clenveland in 2010 were 29th in offense under Daboll, the next year, they were the same 29th
Where is the upgrade? Teams actually got worse with him
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Okay that doesn't explain my question.
I understand what the stats were, they have been heavily circulated around here.
Was I saying he is an upgrade?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 5, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
I’m not following your argument on this.
That makes two of us.
McCoy and Hillis had better years with Daboll and then didn’t do as well this year after he left (injuries, system change.) How is that a knock on Daboll?
To be 100% accurate, both McCoy and Hillis were hurt in 2010 as well as this year. One more feather in Daboll’s cap: Hillis played through his injuries in 2010. He quit on Shurmer.
Now with 30% more nuts!
NOT AN UPGRADE
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 6, 2012 2:06 AM CST up reply actions
McCoy didn't have more talent
Hillis was hurt most of the year. what talent did he have?
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Greg Little?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 5, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
That is exactly what he has done.
He made Colt McCoy and Matt Moore look like adequate QB’s, made Bush look like a bell cow running back. Last year he even made a white guy look like a running back.
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This
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
This argument makes no sense...
Having talented players is one thing, but putting those players in position to be successful is the coaches job. In think Daboll will do fine here, but saying he had nothing to work with is more an indictment of his coaching.
by jsChiefs23 on Feb 5, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No but it shows improvement every year
by badassz1987 on Feb 5, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well ya
When you’re at rock bottom , the only way to go is up
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
How about 10th ranked scoring offense over the last 9 games last season?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
No Hes Horrible Terrible Vile & Despicable
Just another continuation of the Chiefs into mediocrity, Pioli doesnt know what hes doing, Hunt is Cheap & Crennel is just their scapegoat puppet. Nothing to see here folks woah is me and all us fans who have to put up with this crap for 50 years, because theres no way Daboll could ever or will ever be good. i mean just look at the stat sheet, its an infallible tool to measure success always & forever so that means hes garbage. He took a 30th ranked offenses and brought it to 22nd with no offseason and an HC that handcuffed him? GARBAGE!!!!
NANANANANANA
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
in all fairness, I imagine at least a few Cleveland fans might have a slightly different opinion than those Dolphins fans
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Feb 5, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This Browns fan doesn’t. Daboll is legit.
Now with 30% more nuts!
by golanbatrac on Feb 5, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
fair enough and way cool, thanks for the comment :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Dude, I definitely want to hear your opinion on this guy.
What did you like about him and his offense?
by bamachief5558 on Feb 5, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
He tailored the offense to the players; he made bad players look mediocre and mediocre players look good; he seemed to have a good rapport with his players; his players never quit on him (even on the back end of a 5 win season); he came up big against good teams.
Also: this.
Now with 30% more nuts!
by golanbatrac on Feb 5, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Careful, there are a lot of guys who never heard of him that will tell you that you don't know what you are talking about.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Dude
Everyone here has heard of Daboll.
There are reasons to not like the hire other than him being a “no-name” coach. I would say most people who have followed the Chiefs had heard of Daboll due to his connections with Pioli and his work with Crennel.
Ignorance isn’t the reason why he got a 19% approval rating, it is lack of production and the facts that all of his offenses have been mediocre at best and not much of an upgrade.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Another great example
of someone not understand the “facts”
You’re just looking at 1 thing… offensive rankings.
You fail to understand his age. The player personnel on the team. The POSITIVES he had in Miami, especially the 2nd half.
Say you have a car with a great engine except it’s paired with square wheels. Everyone knows it has the potential to be fast but its slow due to the wheels. You’re just looking at it’s speed without understanding the situation. Throw on some round tires and watch that great engine move.
by Brad-KC on Feb 5, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Muir had positives too
He managed to win a game with Tyler Palko under center.
In accordance with the prophecy
It's a great pick up
The playbook will be close of what the Chief’s have seen with Weis. Miss matches, use KC players strengths. Daboll has higher football IQ players with the Chiefs than he did with the Browns and Miami. Thats what Scott Pioli wanted and he’s been drafting. It takes time to build a team. Then you can keep it going year in and year out.
by AngryKitty on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I am just curious to see the offense, post-Haley.
This will tell us how much Haley had his fingers in the offense. Crennel will most likely let the offensive coordinator do his job, without much intervention. I just get the feeling a lot of the offense, last year, was being overridden by a coach, scared for his job.
by mdchiefsfan on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
for everyone that wants to use this guys previous jobs against him
remember this, Mike McCarthy had the LAST ranked offense in points and yards, when he was OC with the NIners, then got hired on with Packers where they had some talent on the team, guess he is a horrible coach too
by banshee_01 on Feb 5, 2012 12:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Nope.
You’re either great on day one or you suck.
by Tarkus on Feb 5, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME
Hello?!
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
by go_saleaumua on Feb 5, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is the argument I have heard for giving Haley some more time
McCarthy was bad at first in Green Bay too, but they stuck it out with him and then…Aaron Rodgers.
Point being, our OC doesn’t matter a whole lot if Matt Cassel is our QB. And if Peyton Manning is our QB, no one really cares who our OC is as long as he gets along with Peyton.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
If you think it doesn't matter who our OC is if Cassel is the QB
how do you explain the GIGANTIC differences in offensive output (by the team in general and Cassel specifically) between 2009 (Gailey/Haley), 2010 (Weis), and 2011 (Muir).
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I'm going to give the guy a chance, I predicted him to be the guy over a month ago in a post
I read War Room over Christmas and the story out of Arrowhead was that Pioli was going to hire someone he trusted and was familiar with so Daboll was the obvious choice, which is way I was disappointed with the news he was hired. Didn’t seem like Pioli put much effort into the OC search
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 5, 2012 12:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Usually, but I don't think Crennel makes the decisions
Keep dreaming this is a model NFL front office and coaching structure
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 5, 2012 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So when Crennel was conducting interviews
it was actually Pioli channeling his psychic powers through him?
pretty sure Crennel did his own hiring
I dont see any HC in the NFL thats going to accept the job if the GM is going to pick his assistant coaches for him
Didn't Al Davis pick the assistants?
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Pioli hired Jim Zorn
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I believe War Room
Mentioning how Pioli was finalizing Jim Zorn to come in to be the QBs coach.
I don’t believe Zorn came in here for Haley. I believe he came in here because he knew Haley’s days were numbered.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Pioli is on the football side
Not the contract negotiations side — that is Mark Donovan territory.
That is if you believe Pioli only has reign over football decisions and leaves business decisions to Donovan and coaching staff decisions to his HC. I think there are a lot of allegations that refute that.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
allegations don't refute anything
evidence does…
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Yeah i dont think Clark
Ould allow Haley to write up contracts and sign coaches
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 5, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
BTW
Gotta love the comments on the Gretz article.
Dreams. Crushed.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I'm not even close to warming up on this
The only thing that’s gonna do it for me are wins
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by Buck'O on Feb 5, 2012 12:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Daboll
I for one actually like the hire, and think he would exceed everyone’s expectations.,
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Feb 5, 2012 12:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What about Mike Shula QB coach Carolina?
Why is he not getting talked about? What he did with Cam Newton this year with no training camp was amazing. Not to mention, Carolina doesn’t have much to work with a receiver. A lot of Cam’s success was his natural talent, but still. I would have been on board with him as OC
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions
Haley never worked for the Patriots
Ergo something
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 5, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
He worked with people who worked with Patriots
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
He was also on staff in Cleveland (along with Nick Saban, Eric Mangini, Kirk Ferentz, Mike Lombardi, Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, Tom Dimitroff, Ozzie Newsome, and Scott Pioli) when Belichick was the Grand Poobah.
Now with 30% more nuts!
Man Modell really f***ed that one up didn't he?
You bring joy to Chiefs fans everywhere.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
ergo the problem with him
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
BecaUse Chud is the one given all the praise for that offense's success
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 5, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
he calls the plays sure
But Shula coached up Cam no doubt about it
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I'm actually excited
We’re going to be healthy again. This year’s rookies and last year’s rookies will all the have the chance to have OTA’s. I think the learning curve for last year’s rooks is going to sky rocket. I am trusting in the fact that they’ll have more competition at the QB position. Even if it’s just Orton, I think we can win a lot of games with him under center. I guess I’m also thinking he can get better with coaching because I love his arm strength and his ability to make reads.
Daboll could be exactly what we need to get the offense firing on all cylinders.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:47 PM CST reply actions
you are asuming a lot
A; that Charles and Moeaki come back healthy
B; Bowe resigns
C;Orton resigns
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
People were saying we'd sign Manning and trade up for RGIII
and I’m assuming a lot? After RAC’s comments, I do think they’ll try very hard to sign Orton. As far as signing Bowe, I feel confident he and Carr will be back. One gets a contract, one gets franchised.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 5, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
We "should" be healthy again.
“You’re probably healthy enough to play. I’m healthy enough to play. That doesn’t mean either of us are any friggin good! . Even Tyler Palko is cleared (healthy enough) to play. And that doesn’t mean jack shit as far as performance goes.”
We “hope” they return to their old selves, but that’s a lot to ask for their first year returning from major injuries.
oh touche!
but I do trust that all of our guys are working hard to come back 100%. No surgery is routine, but overall, guys seems to be coming back pretty well from ACL injuries.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 5, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
The good thing
is that all came very early in the season, so they’ll have almost a full year of recovery by the time the season starts.
Yep if there is such thing of having a "good" time to tear an ACL it's when they did...
Allows plenty of time to recover and they should be pretty close to being able to participate when OTAs roll around. To go along with your point if you look at when Adrian Peterson tore his ACL his rehab could likely take him into the start of next season. If that had happened with any of our guys that could have been devastating.
Oh I don't disagree at all.
I was just keeping you honest haha. Everything that’s been said about each of the players rehabbing sounds like it’s going as well as it can. I think the player to be most concerned about would be Charles because so much of his ability is based off of speed. If Wes Welker or even Jerry Rice several years ago are any indication of our guys returning to their pro bowl levels than I think we should be optimistic. I’m hopeful anyway.
Agree.
and Moeaki is the only one with really any previous injuries. Berry and Charles have no history of knee problems so that should be promising for their return.
Press conference
I wonder how Daboll will be receieved by the press when they hit KC to announce his hire?
Passion and put yourself in his shoes as a OC!!!!
Nowing all the weapons we have and the opportunity at hand I would LOVE!!! to come in and open up or should I dare say have an opportunity to unleash what we all talk about.
1.) Let’s give him the more than a fare chance to come in and prove himself he deserves this!
2). If we were all this lucky to have this opportunity I would hope the fans would be supportive especially from a site like ARROWHEADPRIDE….
3). Mr. Daboll I for 1 am a raving fan for you this year… for you have great players and great fans make us proud!!!1
GO CHIEFS!!!!!
Jay Hennessy III
Think about it
This OC lit up Romeo’s Defense this year. When he was allowed to open up the playbook in the second half of the season, he was very creative (remember, with Matt Moore). I don’t know if he can hide all of Cassel’s flaws, but I’m interested in seeing how he uses Bowe (like B. Marshall), Moeaki is a better athlete than Fasano, We have vertical threats in Baldwin and Breaston. I haven’t even mentioned J. Charles. I think it would be pretty hard NOT to be creative with all of the options Daboll will be inheriting. He found to get Hillis his yards 2 yrs ago and made Reggie Bush look like a reliable back.
Did I want Saunders to be the OC? Heck yes I did, because I knew he could move the ball. But Daboll will have all offseason creating plays for this KC team.
by NWA Chief on Feb 5, 2012 12:58 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I have trouble seeing past some of the worst offenses in the NFL on his watch.
McCoy looked serviceable, but that offense still sucked.
But that was when haley was running the team
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
It's going to be interesting this season to see how much Haley may have been hurting the offense.
Just to see them more organized and getting plays into the huddle on time would be nice.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
What if it gets worse?
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
how could it get any worse than 13ppg?
That is 1 thing he has in his favor, the bar is set extremley low
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
I can only imagine...
what a halfway decent offense would do for our defense. We saw in the last 3 games they can play pretty damn tough if they’re not on the field 90% of the time.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Even if our offense gets back to 2010 level
It still isn’t enough to get us deep into the playoffs.
This is why I’m not satisfied with the Daboll hiring. I have no doubt he can get us back to 2010 playoff level, but I don’t think he is the one to get us over the hump. And I want championships.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Willing to give anything a chance!
I’m Willing to give him a chance. Why not; we have weapons to work with and above all…. He has all offseason to work with these guys. We need someone to mesh and last.
Anything huh?
Really raising the bar there.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
This hire makes us a better team.
He knows how to mold an offense to the players and with weapons like we have thats always a good thing. Next year is gonna be a good one fellas
Another guy I would love to have on this staff that wont happen is Kevin Green a DC
Look at the LB’s he developed in GB Hawk, Mathews, Bishop. I think he could bring a lot of intensity to this defense that was lacking this year
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 5, 2012 1:11 PM CST reply actions
uhmm..wut?
The defense was the shining jewel of the team. Any lack of intensity was because the D was gassed from being on the field all day after the O goes 3 and out.
Deron Cherry for HOF :
6x Pro Bowl Selection (1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988)
Associated Press First-team All-Pro selection (x3) (1984, 1986, 1988)
Associated Press Second-team All-Pro selection (x2) (1983, 1985)
1986 NFL 101 AFC Defensive Player of the Year
NFL 1980s All-Decade Team
6yrs 100+ tackles
by Pacific Chief on Feb 5, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Lack of intensity screams to me of a leadership problem.
Particularly on the field. Suggs, Lewis, Kris Jenkins, Brian Dawkins… We’re still missing that guy.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
We've got him
But he tore his ACL in the very first game of the season.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 5, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
QB
It will be interesting to see how he handles the QB situation. We need a QB that can stretch the field to give Charles space and get the DB’s out of the box.
manning coming to the chiefs anyways so get ur jaws ready for that
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Feb 5, 2012 1:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Half the enjoyment of that for me
Would be to watch AP explode
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
He had better have an immediate positive impact
since Pioli passed over a far more proven and successful OC in Al Saunders, otherwise it’s a complete failure
Maybe
Pioli didn’t want to give up a draft pick for an oc. Saunders is still under contract with the raiders
by Tripower66 on Feb 5, 2012 7:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree werewolf
If not maybe the next full moon you should be selective in your hunt lol
Feeling Better about this hire. now just get us a real QB
had reggie bush on my fantasy league team off waiver wire, so i know what a great season he had. Henne goes down, he won with matt moore. i’ll say it again, he won with matt moore.
we just need to get a real QB now (yes, i’m in the manning camp), and some help on OL, and we could be playing a year from today….
lots of stuff coming out about Washington going to do what it takes to get Manning
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
Tampering?
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Dan Snyder is a buffoon and will overpay for Manning.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Ya well i say good luck to Washington...
Manning would be a total bafoon to go there to that wasteland. No competent WRs. A total shithead owner and HC. And a tougher division than the AFC West. If Manning wants another ring before he retires a see just a few options, the chiefs, 9ers or jets, and the 9ers and Jets look more interested in sticking with their guns for the time being. Its going to come down to how serious Pioli is about legitimately going after Manning. If they show him legitimate interest I don’t see how he can turn us down…
by Chiefs08Matt on Feb 5, 2012 2:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly...
Not to mention he would go up against his own brother, can’t see him playing in the NFC East at all.
I'm still psyched about next season.
We were one freaking field goal away from the playoffs this year. We have an improving defense and an offense that’s performed seriously below potential. With Charles, Berry, and Moeaki coming back, we could win the West with Muir coming back next year. Let’s see what this guy can do.
I like the hire
…and I don’t get the anti-Pats vibe. I like coaches from winning programs.
by FrankPitts on Feb 5, 2012 2:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
agree. and gms hire coaches tied to them in some way about 95 percent of the time.
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Although I'm not thrilled with the hire,
Anything is better than what we had with Muir, and we’ll be better with Charles, Moeaki, and Berry back regardless. Heck, Maybe we’ll see Arenas in a few more wildcat formations with McCluster and Charles split out. How much would that screw a Defense up? The fact that we finished with a chance for a playoff spot last year with all the crap that happened speaks pretty well about our team, the Defense especially. I’m excited for next year.
If you are content with just making the playoffs
Personally, I want to win championships. I don’t think Daboll is the one to get us there unless a healthy Peyton Manning walks through the door.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Im fine with playoffs
Baby steps people
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 5, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
I understand that some people are unhappy, but who did they want?
Al Saunders is over valued by Chiefs fans due to the fact he had the greatest offensive line in NFL history. What other available OC made you more excited? Childress, McHoodie, Areans. Remember, teams don’t have to let you interview assistants anymore unless they want.
I personally am happy the chose a young OC with potential over an old retread that is on the street.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
by saskwatch on Feb 5, 2012 3:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
ok. that is just flat out wrong. im sorry, but its not overvaluing al saunders
lets look at what he did
kc offense, we all know how good that was…..a lot of teams have great o-lines, example, jets have quite a lot of top picks on their oline, they did very little this year offensively.
saunders built the darn rams offense with vermeil, it wasnt martz, this is fact.
overvaluing saunders? laughable.
as for daboll, i agree, i dont know if there was a better candidate, but to put down saunders as being hyped by chief fans therefore isnt as good as claimed its total bull
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Wait, did you just compare a Jets' line full of underachieving high draft picks to one of the best in history
I am not saying Saunders was necessarily overvalued, but that line had two future Hall of
Famers, two multiple Pro Bowlers, and a solid RT.
“A lot of teams have great o-lines”…but that was an elite o-line. Like Top 5 of all time.
I would at least be wary of overvaluing a lot of things about that offense because of how incredible the line was.
LJ wasn’t half as effective behind a lesser line
Look at Green before he played behind that line
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
That line was THE best in NFL history
AND we had a phenomenal blocking FB and one of the best blocking TE’s I’ve ever seen.
To compare what the Jets had this year is laughable
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I guess that came across a little negative, but what I was getting atr is that I think Chiefs fans probably have a much higher opinion of Saunders than anybody else.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Al Saunders could have been a good hire.
He is older and wouldn’t have stayed forever, but he would have done a fair job.
The thing that worried me with Saunders is the Gunther factor, not everyone returns to their former glory after leaving a team for several years.
There is a lot to factor in.
Will the OC fit in with the staff and players?
Can they implement a new system effectively if unknown assistants to them are already hired?
How different is the new system, to the old system?
Does the guy want to come to Kansas City in this capacity?
Can his system win Championships in the NFL?
Do the Chiefs have the personnel for the new system and how much change over would be needed among the current players to make it work effectively?
On and on it goes.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 5, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
I was guilty of ignoring the whole picture
on Saunders success w/o Vermeil. Pretty eye opening and makes the Daboll hiring look even smarter. Saunders huge playbook with intricate play designs and motion would have taken longer to implement taking us into the season further before we were running it effectively vs a system that is flexible to the players skill sets (Bush had best year ever) and goes with the hot hand.
It will be interesting to see the Chiefs use some running plays that
allows McCluster and Charles to get in space with the football.
This isn’t a wonderful hire, but it is a hire that can have some potential if you use your imagination with the talent the Chiefs have available.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 5, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Al Saunders play calling W/Chiefs
sweep left behind Roaf w/Shields pulling and patient running byPriest
Clueless, I am.
If Crennel thinks he’ll work let’s get er done. I’ve got just one question…what took so long?
Smart business
My understanding is that if we wait until a coach is released then we won’t have to come up with draft pick or $$ to get him vs. asking permission to hire from current team like we did for Herm (4th round) – I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Disappointment > Research > Understanding > Hope
I was so disappointed at 1st having put all my eggs into the Saunders basket. So much fun being a KC fan when we were scoring all those points – except for the fact that the D was totally ignored and many times allowed our opponents to still out score us. I believe Daboll was selected for the rolling reasons: long term vs Saunders short term = stability/consistency we have been lacking especially on offense, HC possibility to replace RAC, coached on both sides of the ball, attacking downfield offense just like Saunders which will better utilize Killer B’s, molds play calling to players skill set vs. Saunders 700 page play book difficult to implement, goes with hot hand vs. 99% predictable over last few years, learned under Saban who referred him to Belichick, made some improvement in virtually impossible conditions in Cleveland and implemented new system w/o offseason w/ QB change and still improved scoring from 30th to 20th and cur turnover ratio in 1/2.
Our future is even brighter than then as RAC won’t allow that anymore with our D. We will be so much more balanced than ever before.
I am so excited for camp!
we need to get stable people.
Championship teams have stability. Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Brady all these guys have been in the SAME system for YEARS. Yes Saunders would have been good for a short while but the Chiefs need consistent stable coaching year after year. Until we stop giving up on coaches after 1 or 2 bad seasons, we will be in a perpetual rebuilding process. DaBoll scores points miami started slow for obvious reasons, but last 9 game of the season 4 games they scored 30 pts or more and 2 games over 25. Competition doesnt matter, Chiefs cant put 30pts on a bad team. This hire is risky because he is young but if he grows into the job and takes advantage of our obvious strengths we will see production. If we avg 24 pts a game like miami did this year we would have been in the playoffs.
Miami averaged 20.6, not 24.
Still, that’s a damned sight better than our 13.2. Add an extra 7 points to each of our games, and we’re at 10-5-1,hosting a playoff game.
let’s go for the model of stability:
Peterson/Schottenheimer
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 6, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
This hire telegraphs a move away from the "Run First @ All Costs " Offense...
Which Ate up Priest Holmes…
Exposed LJ…
Magnified our weaknesses on the "O"line …
Drove our reaching in the Drafts…
Highlighted the ineptness of our QB situation & Cassel’s failures to convert on 3rd down…
Kept our Defenses on the field until they inevitiably were run down..
I for one am happy to see this philliisophical change…A little nervous ?…Hell Ya …It’s The Chiefs !!!…
It's probably already been said...
but I’ve always said that we need to use McCluster like the Phins use Bush, getting him into open space. McCluster may end up benefitting the most from this move.
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