Dolphins switch to a 4-3 defense and what it could mean for the Chiefs.

by DivineGrace on Feb 5, 2012 2:50 AM CST

According to an article on Yahoo.com The Dolphins will be transitioning from a 3-4 to a 4-3 defense.

GM Jeff Ireland was say that "If we had to go 4-3, we certainly have personnel to make a pretty good transition," as well as "I've prepared our scouts early on in the process, especially in December, we need to be looking at 4-3 personnel"

This could be GREAT news for the Kansas City Chiefs, and I will tell you why after the jump...

According to the yahoo.com article...

A predominantly four-man front could spell the end of Soliai's time in Miami. The nose tackle got the franchise tag last season and was stout again in the middle, but he fits better as a 3-4 nose.

This means the chance that Soliai hit the free market just went up...by a LOT. As many people have pointed out, Soliai would make a great NT for our own 3-4 Defense.

I am curious to know what RAC thinks of Soliai, and if RAC does like him, can Pioli make it happen (Unless I am wrong, Soliai is an UFA this season, so it is only money / desire...and not draft picks...that could/would keep Soliai from coming to KC).

Poll

What do you guys think about Soliari coming to KC???

Perfect fit, RAC/Pioli will make it happen.

123 votes

Perfect fit, RAC/Pioli can not (or will not) make it (allow it to) happen.

56 votes

Worth a shot, RAC/Pioli will make it happen.

90 votes

Worth a shot, RAC/Pioli can not (or will not) make it (allow it to) happen.

35 votes

Doesn't fit, RAC/Pioli will make it happen anyway.

1 votes

Doesn't fit, RAC/Pioli can not (or will not) make it (allow it to) happen.

8 votes

313 votes | Poll has closed

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We're 30 million under the cap

We had better show interest in him. He’s in the prime of his career and should give us 4 or so great years.

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by trentchiefsfan on Feb 5, 2012 3:04 AM CST reply actions

Actually last year

We were almost $50 million under the cap. Did that make the slightest difference in how much money we spent? (The correct answer is no) It won’t this year either. The cap means nothing until 2013.

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by KHAZAD on Feb 5, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions

It actually will this year

because the league has a new rule mandating that all teams spend at least 90% of the salary cap. So we’re basically forced to spend it… but now it comes down to whether they blow it all on severely overpaying Carr and Bowe to stay or use it to address several needs (which I hope would also include Carr and Bowe).

1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)

by kc_radrh8r on Feb 6, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions

I believe that takes effect next year

Hence his referrence to 2013

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 6, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions

Dude is just saying we have the cap room to make this sort of move

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by IPWT2009 on Feb 6, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions

I was doing additonal research and found an article about the Dolphins and Soliari's negotiations.

Here is the article.

It says that his agent was looking of 18million in guaranteed money ON TOP of the 12 he received when he was ‘franshised’ last year. (30 Million in guareanteed money total over 4 years).

So they (Soliari / Canter..his agent) are looking of more money they Vince Wilfork got, less than Haloti Ngata, and just about what Ahtyba Rubin (Cle) received.

Soliari’s agent (Canter) knows that they might get less money than they are asking for on the open market but is willing to take the chance.

The Phins COULD Franchinse Soliari again…to the tune of almost 15 million (all guareanteed money) but I don’t think that is going to happen.

by DivineGrace on Feb 5, 2012 3:31 AM CST reply actions

I thought the new CBA dictates that you can only use the franchise tag on a player once

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Feb 5, 2012 6:11 AM CST up reply actions

Nope

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by PVChiefsfan on Feb 5, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions

wherever he goes, somebody's gonna have to shell out some big bucks

would love him here … $10 Mil? about the same for Bowe and Carr … that cap could be getting closer and closer very quickly when you factor in bonus money along with salary (when I use the $10 Mil figure that’s really what I’m doing, lumping both together for cap purposes)

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by upamtn on Feb 5, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions

no way he's going to get that kind of money

I’m trying to figure out what 34 teams are going to want him…Jets would, but they are rubbing the cap as it is. Steelers are a possibility, but they don’t spend big in free agency…ditto for KC & AZ. Maybe Washington? I don’t know what their NT situation is…

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by jmcgoblue on Feb 5, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

Jets have a VERY solid NT of their own that they can re-sign

So if they get a new guy, we can always go after Pouha (or however it’s spelled)

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 5, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions

Jets do have Ellis they drafted as well

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 6, 2012 6:08 AM CST up reply actions

Also true

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 6, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions

giving the guy money doesn't necessarily mean he's taking up a bunch of cap space.

it’s called being smart with the cap.

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by chief Stevie_k on Feb 5, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions

Good insight!

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by DrewPorter on Feb 5, 2012 8:37 AM CST reply actions

We don't need to worry about no stinkin salary cap...

Just hire “said” players wives to make pbj’s for x million a year.

by 12t on Feb 5, 2012 10:41 AM CST reply actions

Let’s see Miami need 4-3 players. What about trading Dorsey, a much better 4-3 tackle. For Miami’s. DT?

by Hawkdom on Feb 5, 2012 11:12 AM CST reply actions

great idea, but they'd have to sign him first ... he's a free agent already

by upamtn on Feb 5, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions

No way would I want a tag and trade situation with Soliai

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 5, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions

or Nicks for that matter

could get REAL expensive REAL fast with those two …

by upamtn on Feb 5, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah I would be very open to signing either one

Not really high on giving picks+that huge franchise contract+a new one

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 5, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions

wonder what the price for dorsey would be via trade, 3rd round?

I just read alot of people above saying how expensive one free agent player is and how quick our cap would deminish gettnig such players, had to wonder if we trade dorsey how much cap does that free up?

by kc-twitch on Feb 5, 2012 12:22 PM CST reply actions

his salary for this year, and perhaps a small part of his original bonus money (if any)

in other words, not much at all

by upamtn on Feb 5, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions

I see Shaun Rogers as more likely

Although I’d love to see this guy as our “splas” signing…

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 5, 2012 9:21 PM CST reply actions

agreed on both

by stagdsp on Feb 5, 2012 10:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

A pleasant side effect of getting a huge, dominant NT

Would be that Glenn Dorsey would become more expendable. Which would give us a decent trade chip to dangle in front of the Rams in addition to draft picks.

CLE can’t offer them a run stuffer like Dorsey. Could make the difference.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 6, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions

I'm not in any hurry to get rid of Dorsey

but, Rogers would give KC a DE/NT guy that works well in Romeo’s system.

Powe could be the pure-NT, with Rogers as a rotational guy at both positions

by stagdsp on Feb 6, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions

I can see that.

And much as I like the idea of just sticking a monster in the middle, Rogers does appear to be a good fit, and he has a monster streak, himself. Weren’t there rumblings about Soliai, after he lost his partner up front? Wasn’t he a little clueless, there, for a while? My take on him might be inflated by the fun-size OLs we put up against him in 2011, so he made a good impression against the Chiefs, who were beaten in the trenches (BOTH sides of the ball, imo, so I ain’t complacent about OL, at ALL.). No wonder that coach got fired. As well as they controlled the line of scrimmage (in spots), they should’ve had more wins.

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by hmills110 on Feb 9, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions

The Dolphis have a DAMN good Front-7!

Ehh, improvements could made to their DB’s. But I’d even be interested in some of their DE’s if they wanted to trade one of them cheap. I wonder if any are FA’s, too? Anywhoo, the Phins are about the last team that runs a pure 2-gap, 3-4 D, IIRC?. Its purty boring. Well, LeBeau still does basically I guess. He just uses their DE’s to stunt. loop and twist a lot to disrupt along the line for his firezone blitzing schemes and such.

The only negs I’ve heard about Soliai is – yes, his noggin ain’t exactly top notch; now I have no idea whether this is true or not. And he tends to run a bit hot n’ cold, have some conditioning issues, and lack some motivation and desire from time to time; again, I have no idea how much merit any of these allegations have?

I think RAC would really have to do a sell on Rogers agreeing to to 2-gap it. I read something (maybe on here in the fanshots last year?) when he was a FA last year saying he didn’t like 2-gapping, and rather go to a 1-gap team as a DT. 2-gapping was hard on his knees and makes you really, really, really sore all over.

But Rogers would be more in Prince Clark’s/Pioli’s price range though. A couple million for a year or so. But … HAHAHAHHAHA … they sure as HELL aren’t going to pay Soliai 10-12 … bwhahahahaha! They’ll re-sign Gregg if he’s want to come back, ol’ Loco says. ;=)

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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 9, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions

Heh. Could be. Could be they switch to Powe, and Gregg remains as depth, also.

I think that Rogers said he didn’t want to be NT, but with Rogers in the rotation, NT could become very blurred, with any of the front 3 (Dorsey, Jackson, Rogers) in the middle. MAYbe we’re happy and Rogers is happy, because he gets to play more than a little 3-tech and 1-tech. All they’d have to do is shade the front one way or another, and bring either Hali or Houston, to basically be a hybrid 4-3. The actual 0-tech might just be one of many variations off that 3-tackle front.

Yeah. They don’t want to overspend for a potential Chester McGlockton. His issue was health, but Soliai’s might go the Haynesworth direction, for all I know. But I think RAC could coach Soliai to his system. That doesn’t mean KC’s gonna spend top dollar for the privilege. Amon Gordon plus Shaun Rogers would give KC a pretty good 4-man rotation at DE, that’d be plenty flexible enough to mix into the nickel and dime sets.

Some are just as interested in getting another 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB and having that 4-3 nickel front in some depth.

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by hmills110 on Feb 12, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions

Paul Soliai will be a chief next year.

That is all.

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by chief Stevie_k on Feb 5, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions

I'm more hoping Philip Merling gets out of town because of this.

A Merling signing could give us the necessary depth needed to trade Dorsey and start Bailey.

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by IPWT2009 on Feb 6, 2012 1:11 PM CST reply actions

Solari? The Chiefs old OC?

Or Soliai?

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by AhQueeNo on Feb 6, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions

we like to develop in house

I tend to think Powe is it next year with a more low key veteran signing to put depth behind him

by SillyHatDay on Feb 6, 2012 9:21 PM CST reply actions

A definite possibility, but I'll believe it when I see it.

It’d be great, though. I’d like to see him actually get off his blocks and make a play. He can definitely motor around pretty good for a true NT.

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by hmills110 on Feb 9, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions

I hope they give Powe a real chance next year.

I’m really getting tired of the Patriots way of throwing geriatric patients at OL, NT/DL and RB. As Mangini said the biggest thing he learned is: You can’t go somewhere else and do it Belichick’s way. Only Belichick knows how to do it his way. You have create your own way. But I have no hope of seeing anything differently.

by LocoLoboChico on Feb 10, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions

As it relates to RB, Belichick appears to feel the way I do: Concentrate on the team and add RBs as needed.

As it relates to NT, it’s easy to forget that NWE drafted Ron Brace the year KC drafted Tyson Jackson, and have gotten very little production out of that 1st-round NT, 3 years into that project. So what you’re seeing at NT is more about the failure of a 1st-round pick in ’09.

I think Powe will be a pocket-crusher. I think he’s gonna come up outta that 4-point stance under the shoulder pads of the OL and drive people back on pass plays. I hope he learns the hand-fighting, to get off of grabby NFL O-linemen, but that’s about my only concern. The cool thing about sticking to 2-gap is guys like Powe will fall right in your lap. Everybody else is looking for that special d-lineman who can make a splash shooting the gap. Those humble, lunch-bucket guys who make your LBs look great seem to slip in the draft. Mayock doesn’t even notice ‘em if they don’t get a sack or look awesome in the 1-on-1 drills. Just pushin’ your guy straight back for 3 or 4 yards isn’t going to get you that flag in the pass-rushing drills, but accomplishing that and preserving left-or-right option while you do it is PERfect for getting a teammate a sack.

NWE spent a 1st-rounder on OT in 2011: Nate Solder. They also went out and got the best FA G they could find, in Brian Waters. I’ve felt they’ve had RT issues, right along, and I felt that Solder was a sign of “We need OT NOW,” even though his power profile is more LT than RT, and he was nowhere near beatin’ out Matt Light. With a TE to work with, I think Belichick has always looked at RT as about the last thing you address aggressively.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Feb 12, 2012 6:57 PM CST reply actions