Brian Daboll Is The Kansas City Chiefs New Offensive Coordinator
by Joel Thorman on Feb 4, 2012 5:37 AM CST
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PrintBrian Daboll is your new offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs. ESPN's Adam Schefter broke the news late on Friday night (that's what I get for getting to bed at a decent hour). Daboll was one of a handful of known candidates including Jim Zorn, current Chiefs quarterbacks coach, and former Chiefs assistant coach Al Saunders.
Kudos to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora for being on the Daboll-to-KC train early on in the process.
Daboll's connection with GM Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel dates back to the turn of the century when Daboll took a defensive coaching assistant job with the Patriots in 2000. In 2001, Crennel arrived in New England and by 2002 Daboll was the Patriots receivers coach, a position he held until 2006.
He spent a couple seasons in New York as the Jets quarterbacks coach before moving onto the Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator job. The Browns ranked 29th in points scored and 32nd in yards in 2009 and, believe it or not, that was actually the best Browns offense in terms of points scored in the last four years. So I'm not really sure what ot make of what his impact was in Cleveland.
Daboll took the Dolphins coordinator job last season and the Chiefs had an up-close look at what he could do when Matt Moore and Co. put up 31 points on the Chiefs defense. That was the first win of Miami's season. The Dolphins ranked 20th in points and 22nd in points scored last season.
Daboll will take over a Chiefs offense that has some talent in place but obviously more than a few holes. The Chiefs were 31st in points scored last season and 27th in yards.
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hate
I hate, hate, hate this hire… Haven’t heard one good thing about him…
by kcchiefsfan on Feb 4, 2012 5:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I really hope Iam wrong about the feeling I have with this guy,
but I agree with this comment. Nothing good with this hire IMO. This guy in, Zorn out as well. Screw continuity
The hell you talking about? He made Matt Cass, err, Matt Moore look like a real quarterback. That takes more talent than you think.
Reggie Bush looking like a real starting running back? Bess and Hartline successfully complimenting Marshall?
He had fuck-all no one in Cleveland, and Colt McCoy still had a decent rookie year.
I’m willing to give the guy a chance, at least….
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
Dude made Matt Moore look somewhat decent
And Reggie Bush look like a legit NFL RB.
That’s something, even if it’s not much.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Dunno if this is a connection
But since he was in Miami, I wonder if Bill Parcells had insight into him.
Everyone in Miami was sad to see him go
They all loved what he did there
by TonyMatthias on Feb 4, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
why?
I fail to how his background merits this hire. I really hope this isn’t because they think he can turn McCluster into Reggie Bush last year, not going to happen. I also hope Jim Zorn doesn’t leave over this since it was reported he might.
by nekschiefsfan on Feb 4, 2012 5:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
also
his wikipedia entry was obviously written by an upset Chiefs fan. Love unbiased wikipedia articles!
Thanks
For pointing the wikipedia entry out, gave me a good laugh. Not quite as good as the Crystal Mangum (Duke Lacrosse stripper) entry from a few years ago that was obviously written by an angry Duke fan, or possibly one of the player’s moms, but still funny.
by Streetcleaner on Feb 4, 2012 6:13 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know..
He does bring some youth to the staff which isn’t hard to do) and he did get some descent production from an offense led by a back up qb. Plus less offensive talent around him, so again I don’t know how to feel about it.
by KCNorm on Feb 4, 2012 5:57 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Well if he can get production from a backup QB
Then he’s definitely the right guy for the job.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
He did make Matt Moore look good
even though he went through training camp with Henne. Also, Reggie Bush had his 1st 1000 yard season rushing. I’m tired of the Patriot Connection as well, but the dude has a lot of experience to bring to the table and we have a lot of weapons, so I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and enjoy the Chiefs!!
Hey DC KCfan
I am in Gaithersburg. There are a couple os us here near the capitol. We need to put some meetups together next season.
Born in Cooperstown but can't stand baseball.
You don't know for sure who the weakest choice was.
The guy won the job over both Zorn and Saunders.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
Based on stats? Let's bear in mind, his offenses in Cleveland were close to talentless.
A fat zero in the gradebook really skews your numbers….
When he had some talent in Miami, not a lot but some….they looked pretty dangerous to me.
Underwhelming would have been a Carthon promotion. That would have equalled death, to me at least.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
somehow I feel exactly the same about this hire as I did about Haley's hiring...
I guess you could call it… something short of a yawn. Don’t get me wrong, I have no reason to like or dislike this hire based on his resume`. He could very well work out fine, but I’m concerned the OC job might be a stepping stone to the HC job whenever RAC is done.
If that’s true, and based on circumstances and a demonstrated inclination toward “stability” and to build on the work the players have done to date, it would make sense if they were thinking this way about the OC job. I’m not sure of Daboll’s chances to be ready to for the big chair that soon.
Finally, it concerns me how Pioli either cannot or will not hire qualified coaches from outside the Parcellichek Tree. If team philosophy and operating procedures are clear, then they should be able to hire at least some folks from other winning traditions and build the team that way too.
The jury is out, but just like Haley… we’ll give this guy an honest shot to make us better, and we’ll love him if he does. We’re Chief fans after all… that’s how we do.
by CurtMerzFan on Feb 4, 2012 6:15 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
Good point on the 'no reason to like or dislike this hire based on his resume.'
If we did that, then Crennel should be hated by all. That being said, I still don’t like it.
Not to defend Haley
But Haley had just come off a SB run when he was hired.
by mushin on Feb 4, 2012 7:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am also underwhelmed
But the way I look at it is maybe he is the opposite of Todd Haley and Josh McDaniels who had players that made them look really good. This guy was the OC in Cleveland where they haven’t had much talent on offense, and Miami where the talent is a bit better but still not that great.
Like many that will post on this I would have preferred Al, but who knows, maybe he will work out.
the youngblood excites me
and you are right, he’s coming to a KC team that has tons of talent.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
The reason I can see us hiring him is...
1) experience. Been in a couple of places with different QBs
2) brings a new WCO system. a change of system may be what this offense needs.
never the less I, like many, am underwhelmed. Why wait all this time to announce someone who could of been signed weeks ago. His resume leaves a lot to be desired. All indicators point to coaches not wanting to come to KC or KC not willing to pay coaches top dollar. Very disturbing in either case
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
You know you might have something in that last sentence.
Could the KC job have been unattractive due to lack of $ or the recent negative media attention the Brass has gotten? Maybe Daboll was the only one to say yes due to him being a younger guy that hopes this could lead to bigger and better things (HC).
We’ll see….
is this a good thing?
I was hoping for a great electric move with a stud coordiator. We get Brian Daboll? Miami did great at the end of last year, but what is with the Colt Mccoy hazing thing?
The story DID come from McCoy's own book. So....
To me, that’s like asking a divorced couple, friends of yours, “what really happened.” Be prepared for some shit to hit the fan.
Also note, McCoy’s best year was 2010, when Daboll was letting him have it.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
it's already a bad hire?
apparently you’ve seen him coach the Chiefs before?
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
From what ive been reading
He fits his scheme around the players not tryin to fit squares into round holes and thats a-okay in my book after dealing with thay with Haley. Now granted stats-wise hes unimpressive but I like what he did to end the year in Miami. Apparently Crennel did too, and I do believe it was one of the few games to end the year where or defense got creamed royally.
Bottom line is he loves to run the football, and I can dig that. Dolphins fans say hes a great motivator and would like to have kept him on their new staff, and if they arent sharpening their pitchforks and preparing the torches I always see that as a good thing.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
hmmmmmm
Looks at the Closet full of Pitch forks and tortches…. thinks to him self may be needing them soon….
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
Look why cant we give him a chance?
Everybody deserves at least one chance
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 4, 2012 6:29 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed I think he will be okay he cant be any worst than muir sooo
But im more worried about the qb competition.
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 4, 2012 6:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think Muir is getting a bad rap...
he did great running the offense after the team took Haley’s nubbe-dobbers out of Muir’s pie and let him run it the way he wanted to the last three games. I can’t help but wonder what kind of magic Bill Muir would have been able to charm out of this team with a full season of support from a head coach instead of someone constantly dicking around in his kitchen.
Nice info
about him tailoring roles and schemes to his players. I’m a fan of that. If you have a great blocking TE it’s probably not great to try and stretch the field with him over and over if he can’t gain separation from an LB. He could’ve been blocking for an 8 yard run. Obviously the jury will be out on him for a while, but you did make me feel a little better about a guy I was frankly rooting against getting the job.
Tto me it's not about who we got
It’s who we didn’t get. There were plenty of talented offensive minds out there to hire. Even at the end Saunders was available as well and IMO is a better OC.just adds merit to claims Pioli puts too much emphasis on the “Patriot Way” and doesn’t like to go outside of the NE/Parcells connections.
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
Blame Pioli, yet Crennel makes the coaching decisions...
:/
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 4, 2012 6:30 AM CST up reply actions
True and I stand corrected
Still, Why did Crennel not hire Saunders or Jackson. Both have better track records as OC and were available
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 4, 2012 6:35 AM CST up reply actions
Was wondering the same thing,
but I believe Saunders and Jackson had a part. They may not have wanted the job. I would have preferred one or even both of them in some capacity, but I bet they turned down the offer.
Maybe because he doesn't feel as comfortable working with them?
Maybe he feels Dabol fits the personnel here better? Maybe Saunders wasn’t going to be made available by the Raiders? Maybe Jackson is a one-trick pony? Maybe Dabol offered Romeo a plate of nachos? I don’t know, but I’ll give him at least one season before I start judging him and questioning the hire. I feel he did enough in Miami to be a good hire for us.
yeah, Pioli had nothing to do with this hire
give me a break
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Hate this hire...
I was really hoping for Jim or Al…. woulda been thrilled with either one….
Feel like this hire is more status quo and not good for the chiefs.
I realize when building a team you need a certain amount of trust with the people you work with, but I was hoping for more results vs relationship.
I really do not have anything beneficial to add to this conversation. More than likely I stole the response I gave from someone else. I do not believe in originality.
by Cowboynchrist on Feb 4, 2012 6:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
status quo?
Don’t hate the hire, hate the game.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Zorn would have been status quo, to me. Carthon would have been REALLY status quo.
This guy has coached in two different offenses, coached defensive backs, quarterbacks, wide receivers….
I too wanted Saunders, but I’m interested to see which Daboll we get: Creative Daboll who got 1000 yards from Hillis in ’10 and Bush in ’11, or snoozy Daboll from 2009.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
I feel sorry for Carthon, Sal.
He deserved another chance. Maybe … maybe he’s changed?
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Passes tissue.
Daboll wouldn’t stop Peyton from coming here.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
On a positive note....
Daboll makes it a lot more likely we will draft Trent Richardson or sign a high name RB…and have one of the most dangerous running attacks in the NFL again. Mcclain is already happy.
https://twitter.com/#!/super8kc
Daboll
Let me see the last 3 years rankings with Daboll as Offensive Coor.
2009= 32
2010= 29
2011= 22
Please someone tell me why this was a good hire. This might ruin my weekend. All I have to look forward to now is tonight when my Jayhawks pounce on the over-hyped Tigers.
Hey keeping that pattern of progression
2012 = 19
2013 = 12
2014 = 9
2015 = 2
Let’s do this!
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
It's A Good Hire Because
They had to fill the job and nobody else who worked for Bill Belichick wanted it?
by UCrawford on Feb 4, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What was Mike McCarthy's ranking when he was OC of SF?
Exactly…Ranking mean BS.
He isn't Brad Pitt either
but how is any of that relevant? My point is that McCarthy wasn’t McCarthy until he won the SB last year. You don’t think people in GB were pissed about his hire? I’m sure there were plenty, but I’m also sure most people there were willing to give the guy a chance before they started calling it a failed hire.
Actually, He Was McCarthy When He Got Them To The NFC Championship In Favre's Last Season In Green Bay
So let’s not go pretending that the Packers had to pine for five years waiting for a return on the hire. The guy got results early on.
You're right
Daboll should already have a few SB rings as Chiefs OC. Fire him!!!
Mike McCarthy wasn't THE Mike McCarthy at that point either
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
He had the #22 offense in the NFL with Cassel's twin brother at QB and Reggie Bush as his #1 runner?
That ain’t half bad.
Evidently, when given a little TALENT the man can do something….that’s what it says to me.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
by go_saleaumua on Feb 4, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Googled him..
I found 1 positive article on him from last year, everything else is pretty neutral or negative.
The knock on him is that he is very poor at making adjustments if the original gameplan falls through.
Then there is the hazing with Colt McCoy… Doesn’t sound good, but it also conflicts with what i’ve read Dolphins players have said.. They liked him.
I guess he deserves a chance..
by Johannes Josefsen on Feb 4, 2012 6:55 AM CST reply actions
To clarify..
I would much rather have had Al Saunders, but that probably would have ment a QB change.
I wonder if that is why they went with Daboll over Saunders??
by Johannes Josefsen on Feb 4, 2012 6:56 AM CST up reply actions
Fails to make adjustments
Is he related to Haley? I can’t wait! Matt, throw the ball deep with an all out blitz coming. Oh, and your RT still can’t block so just try to play safe if you’re gonna take your 5th sack in a row. Ya know, throw it away or something. And remember, if you fumble it, get an intentional grounding penalty, or throw an int you’re getting benched for Palko and Scott will want to see you in his office. Matt says nothing until halfway through the season, because he knows Scott has his helmet tapped.
Haven't You Heard?
That’s the kind of coach that Pioli likes…the kind who don’t adjust and don’t impress. Why change a good thing? :)
What is your goal with all these unhappy fans?
Apparently you want them to finish the bottle.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
What exactly were your expectations?
I mean seriously we won 7 games last year and were a blocked fg away from winning the division again. And this was with out, our best offensive player, best defensive player, 2nd best receiver, pretty much no QB to speak of, and a complete clusterfuck of a season at the head coach position
Nothing To Do With Pioli, Per Se
Just pointing out that the reason we didn’t make the playoffs was that the guys he hired were outcoached.
and
the Qb he brought in has left a lot to be Desired….
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
Pioli
he wanted complete control of the team when he was hired he has it.. so he get some of the credit and the Blame for the short comings….
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
What articles did you read?? The Miami papers seemed to have some respect for the guy, I'd been reading up on him ever since it was reported we had interest.
If it’s the Cleveland stuff, most of that is tied to a) ’09 being his first yr as coordinator, ever; b) McCoy writing a bitchy section about him in his book and getting it quoted by Mike Silver in Yahoo; and c) Cleveland being allergic to decent offense.
I’m willing to give the guy a shot. He made Cassel’s twin brother look like a real quarterback, and that takes something.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
???????????????
Blank Stare at the screen………. not sure what to say
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
Caption the picture
"Ohhh thank you lord Pilli for hiring me " whispers glad they hired me was thinking I would have to go back to being the restricted earnings coach at William & Mary
Funny he could be restricting the Chiefs earnings
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
Hell, W&M might be the best part of his resume.
Mike Tomlin, Marv Levy and Lou Holtz all coached there.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Feb 4, 2012 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
Wow......... I need a drink....
How's Jamaal doing anyways?
by Beefcakess on Feb 4, 2012 7:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Shit.
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
by severn58 on Feb 4, 2012 7:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
What makes you think it was Pioli's hire? Hmm?
I’d love to know.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Because he doesn't like the hire?
Pioli haters would be giving all the credit to RAC if someone was hired they like, and will give Pioli all the blame for this hire they don’t like. He can’t win.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Pioli: I did not bug Haley's phone
crowd: yeah, what’s he going to say, “I totally bugged his phone?” what a tool.
Pioli: I totally bugged Haley’s phone.
crowd: I FRICKING knew it, what a tool.
Pioli: I have fired Matt Cassel
crowd: Pioli would have NEVER bugged Haley’s phone!
You said it all right there
and when Peyton goes somewhere else, sh*t’s really going to hit the fan.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 4, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Not really happy, but not giving up like some of you
Crennel cares more than any of us. If he believes that he can win and that Daboll is the future, then I would tend to believe him. Crennel may have tried to get one of the “stars” but they may not have wanted the job. In the end, Romeo hired the guy who he thinks will fix our offensive failures with the weapons we have.
I will give him a chance.
Giving up...
Not giving up … but not overjoyed with this hire at the moment,
Where is that web site for torches and pitchforks?
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
not giving up
Not giving up … but not overjoyed with this hire at the moment,
Where is that web site for torches and pitchforks?
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
No he hiried a guy
that has been one of the best losers over the last 3 years.
by Bigcherokeechief on Feb 4, 2012 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
That's a great welcome to our new coach.
I’m sure he will love reading all of these comments about himself.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Just a friendly hire???
Here is to hoping Peyton Manning will be are real Offensive Coordinator!!!!
*Follow me @ChiefsatWar (Twitter)
Clark Hunt & Pioli, get some KING KONG BALLS and move up to draft a QB in the 1st RD of the 2012 NFL Draft: RG3 or Luck.
by ChiefsatWar on Feb 4, 2012 7:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Nope this guarantees that the only way
now to address the QB situation is the draft.
by Bigcherokeechief on Feb 4, 2012 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
Manning is the oc
So hiring a established oc that would clash with manning is more of a nail in the coffin of that dream
by KCNorm on Feb 4, 2012 7:50 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
How do you know this?
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Because:
Period.
and
NUFF SAID!
Hard to refute all that, really.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Nice
So you’re not on the ledge?
I’m not thrilled, but not ready to turn AP into Abundant Pouting.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
You forgot to say "period"
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Whats Next?
Now comes the Quarterback competition,their bringing in Culpepper,Mcnabb,and Jeff George hahaha…….This means their sticking with Cassel the patriots way.get ready for another half ass year.
OMG what a funny joke!
hahahahahaha, hehehehehehehe
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
My Gut
Tells me that every single person they interviewed said we would need to look at QB replacement.
I’ve got two questions
1. Is Crennel actually making these decisions? Even if he is, with Pioli sticking with Matt Cassel as a personal decission, Crennels hands may be tied.
2. You sure the problem was Haley?
This organization seems ill to me.
by Bigcherokeechief on Feb 4, 2012 7:35 AM CST reply actions
It's ill because of the Daboll hire?
Haley was a problem. I liked him, but he’s finished. The players like Romeo a lot.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Crennel just a puppet
We all know whos pulling the strings,romeo will say anything to look good.this might be the fate of pioli if all doesnt end well.
Let us all just bash our favorite football team together!
No respect.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
The KC Chiefs Dance
it is simple…. one step forward
one step back
one step to the side
one step back
any one else feel like we are not getting anywere?
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
The Daboll hire was supposed to get us to the Super Bowl already?
We are one day into the hire and you feel like we haven’t gotten anywhere. Where should we be?
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Dude, our offense hasn't scored a point or gotten a first down at all this entire month!
I’M READY TO FREAK OUT RIGHT NOW! WE SHOULD HAVE 17 SUPER BOWL RINGS SINCE HALEY GOT FIRED!!!!!!!111111111ONE
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
by TRSChief on Feb 4, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not only that
But we didn’t get the right draft spot for Luck. Total BS, man.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
this doesnt excite me bc i wanted al or hue
And haven’t heard much good on Dabboll. However, I will give the guy a chance and not much we can do about it anyway. The QB competition better be a true competition with Orton or shockingly we move up in draft. OR Manning comes in and then there is no competition. Time will tell and now we wait…
by jcrunninwild on Feb 4, 2012 7:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Manning to Dolphins
Manning to Dolphins, their Qb Moore to chiefs to join our OC.hell who knows their.
I always find
the complete overreaction of people on this site quite amusing
by badassz1987 on Feb 4, 2012 7:52 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
And they assume everyone feels the same way, so no way Manning will come here. Because I’m sure he’s overreacting like most of the fans are here.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
They also like to assume that just because we didn't hire someone / pick up a certain FA
That our guys didn’t even try.
It’s never even a remote possibility that somebody wouldn’t want to come coach in KC, or a free agent might just really prefer playing in NY or whatever.
It’s unilaterally always 100% on our guys if someone doesn’t come here.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
I Don't Care If They Tried
I care if they succeed.
If a GM wants free agents but he can’t convince those free agents that his team is where they want to come to, then he’s not very good at his job. Every single team in the NFL has positives and negatives for the players there. If Pioli can’t sell them on the positives of playing in KC, what good is he?
Hate to break some news here
But there’s no team that gets every single free agent they would like.
Zero teams are exempt from this.
So all NFL GM’s are not very good at their jobs.
Maybe they’re hiring. I could use a pay bump.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/03/sparano-says-dolphins-didnt-distribute-playbooks/
Dolphins Have A New Offense, But Apparently No Plays
The Miami Dolphins are in a tailspin and the season has not even begun yet. With a narrow window in which to get the playbook out to the players, the Dolphins ended up distributing nothing.
The Dolphins have done a lot of questionable things lately. They pushed out Bill Parcells, left Head Coach Tony Sparano hanging out in the wind while they openly courted Jim Harbaugh and then hired Brian Daboll as the new offensive coordinator.
Daboll spent two years as the OC in Cleveland, and the Browns had one of the worst offenses in the league. While the talent was not elite, and there were a bunch of different quarterbacks behind center, the level of ineptitude from the sidelines certainly did not help the situation.
Daboll had no offensive philosophy anyone with any football acumen could discern and he could not react to the flow of a game or adapt to the other team’s moves. Once his original plan started to fail, he had no fallback and the Browns hardly ever scored as a result.
If it were not for Peyton Hillis, the Browns could have set records for offensive futility.
So the Dolphins thought it would be a great idea to hire him, and he has rewarded them by not having a playbook ready.
...and they hung over thirty points on RAC this year. At home.
Hmmmmm.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
thank you
for giving a perfect example of “the sky is falling” post. This article was written BEFORE Daboll got to work. They freaked out just like the Chiefs fans are freaking out now…
Except… Daboll actually was a good OC in Miami and just started getting things going half way through this last year.
Weird how with no plays
They lit us up like the 4th of July and found a way to turn Reggie Bush into an actual RB.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I always find
the chiefs underreaction disturbing
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
Always a chiefs Fan
Reguardless what they do year after year i will always be a chiefs fan.they are my team,just would like to see them improve and maybe get to the superbowl again.
by chiefsfool on Feb 4, 2012 7:55 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Mentored By Peyton
Maybe Pioli has a deal worked out with Peyton Manning so he can mentor the new OC.
by MTChiefFan on Feb 4, 2012 8:02 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If this is the best the Chiefs can do
it says that more qualified OCs didn’t want to coach here because of either Pioli or Crennel, or possibly both. With Crennel, many probably believe he may have just a couple of years at the helm.
No, it doesn't say any of those things.
It’s your brain telling you that.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
That's exactly what it has to be
it’s impossible that a coach may just prefer to go somewhere else.
There’s no such thing as, “Man, I’ve always wanted to coach in NY / MIA / wherever. I’ll go there now that there’s an opportunity!”
It’s always 100% a case of, “I’d rather stab myself in the genitals with a spork than ever consider working with Crennel and Pioli!”
Sorry. Them’s the breaks.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
There is literally
Only one explanation for why anything happens. Ever.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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If this is indeed true
i just died a little inside, Saunders is the better choice
I just hope that whatever happens, we manage to go into training camp with a QB coach
If not Zorn, then someone.
We finally got a dedicated QB coach for a change. It’d be nice to keep that trend a live. Since we’re kind of in need of, you know, developing QB’s.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
I'm Indifferent To Zorn
It’s not like any of the QBs were so great last year that I think it will be the end of the world if he leaves. But I hope they have a QB coach.
Yeah. It was hard to get much of a read on Zorn's contributions this year too.
Because of mediocre QB talent, plus no off season to spend working out with the players, when a QB coach can probably do the most good.
Hopefully we have Zorn or somebody on hand way before we get to training camp for a full OTA / off season of QB work.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
So Yeah...Pretty Much Called It
Pioli made an underwhelming hire for OC. And surprise, surprise, it’s an ex-Pat who hasn’t exactly been a star since leaving New England.
In a couple of years, after Pioli is fired, we’re going to look back on this era and laugh at how inept our GM is that three years into the job he can’t cut the apron strings enough to hire people from outside Belichick’s scrap heap.
by UCrawford on Feb 4, 2012 8:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Correction
Belichick’s and Parcells’ scrap heap. My next prediction is that he brings in no serious competition for Matt Cassel, doesn’t significantly upgrade the QBs, and he doesn’t land anything impressive in free agency. Because that’s Pioli…he doesn’t do anything that any of the other GMs in the game couldn’t do.
The Exception That Proves The Rule
You know, hoping to get a good coach with Patriots connections is like hoping you can pay the mortgage with that lottery ticket you just bought. There’s a chance…but not enough of one to make it a good investment.
Daboll is Pioli's perfect storm
The ultimate crony.
by Dr.WalterBishop on Feb 4, 2012 8:41 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's Like The Peterson Years
The bad Peterson years…where he had a guy in charge of scouting who had no idea who Ben Roethlisberger was. Except here they can’t hire a coach unless he’s worked for Bill Belichick and nobody else wants him.
*Crennel
Pioli made an underwhelming hire for OC.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
I Blame Pioli For All Hires
Because he’s the man in charge. Whether Crennel wants a guy on his staff or not, it’s ultimately Pioli’s responsibility to sign off on it. That’s why I blamed Peterson for Greg Robinson instead of Dick Vermeil. And gave Peterson credit for bringing back Gunther (even though that didn’t work out so well). To me, the GM gets the lion’s share of blame because in most cases he’s the boss…whether he allows his coach to pick his assistants or not.
Depends On What You Mean By "Micromanage"
That’s a very overused and over applied phrase. Do you mean that I think GM’s should run practice or draw up game plans? No. Do you mean that I think GMs should override coaches’ decisions on staff if the coaches want to make problematic additions? Absolutely. Delegation of authority to a subordinate does not mean you let the subordinate do whatever they want to do.
Basically
If I run a business, and I hire someone to run a particular aspect of that business I’m still responsible for that guy’s results. If he makes good decisions and I don’t interfere at all, that’s ideal and credit goes to both me and him…but if he makes bad decisions and I don’t interfere, that’s ultimately on me because I made the hire and I didn’t sufficiently check up.
The Only Thing I'll Give Coaches More Credit Or Blame For
Is actual performance on the field. That’s their realm of control. There may be extenuating circumstances at times but for me generally on the field on game day is the coaches’ area of responsibility and everything else is the GM’s.
Ocho to chiefs
Could this mean the patriots are grooming ocho to become a chief.maybe thats the new patriots way,they take our players,and we take theirs.
God, I Hope Not
He’s been terrible in New England and he’s old. I liked him as a player, but he’s not that guy anymore.
It's funny, with both our head coach and oc all I can say is
damn, I hope they’re not as terrible as they were in the past. What a terrible statement to have to make going into a new season with so much talent on the team. In their prime as it is.
I Guess This Means
Kyle Orton isn’t coming back either. If you were a QB approaching free agency, and the team you played for just hired this guy and appeared to favor the QB you’re supposed to be competing with, would you want to come back?
I think he ends up in either Seattle or as a backup on a really good team. Although I could see him going to New York to push Sanchez.
I hope you're ither wrong
or Cassel’s getting replaced by someone else.
Doubtful
Pioli is committed to going down with that ship. Oh well, at least Cassel is cheap next year.
I get angry
every time I think what you’re saying may actually be true. Look on the bright side though, the guy did improve a bad Miami offense as the season went on. I’m ignoring what happened in Cleveland, because, well, it’s Cleveland.
the world isnt ending
Daboll did some good things in Miami, building around the talent he had…
And this was Romeo’s choice, not Pioli’s… so, we should give it a chance. Crennel is choosing HIS staff.
I would have preferred Saunders, though
by stagdsp on Feb 4, 2012 8:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Don't us the word Luck
or any of its derivitives. Chaos may ensue.
He Ain't Coming Here Either
If Scott Pioli had the top pick in this draft, I suspect he’d be clueless enough to draft a lineman.
On The Other Hand
How many 13-3 seasons have Scott Pioli’s or Brian Daboll’s teams posted when they weren’t working for Belichick?
Actually, how many winning seasons have they posted without Belichick?
So by that logic
we need a complete housecleaning every 2-3 years if we don’t win a SB or a playoff game? It’s all a failure. I was happy with Saunders when he was the OC here, even though we were not winning playoff games because I felt like we had the pieces in place to be competitive. Same deal here.
If A Coach Can't Beat A 10 Win Team In Three Years
I’m perfectly happy with the team firing him.
And Saunders was not the reason the Chiefs didn’t win in the playoffs.
wait
Saunders is Not the reason the Chiefs didn’t win in the playoffs during his time here…
But Daboll is the reason the Browns and Dolphins had losing seasons during his time there….
That logic seems contradicting to me.
His Best Season Was A 22nd Ranked Offense
He wasn’t the primary reason his teams lost, but he wasn’t part of any solution. That’s my point.
Yeah with cellar dwellars
You cant polish a turd, Im more impressed by the player’s statisticsl jump when he was hired.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 4, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Great hire
Makes sense. He did excellent job of getting Matt Moore to play at high level. Marshall returned to pro bowl form under his reign as OC. Bush had 1st 1000 yard rushing season under him. Then you look at what Dolphins had to work with he didn’t have nearly talent there as he’s going to have here at skill positions. We got Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Mcluster, and Charles. Love to see what kind of seasons these guys going to have under him. He run similar offense to what we ran last yr and what they did in New England so that’s continuity with players in running familiar system which now we want be setback by changing whole offense. Get the oline fix and if he can get Cassel to play at level of what Moore did with the way defense played last yr if they build on that we’re playoff team easily next yr.
by joed2001 on Feb 4, 2012 8:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
He Was So Successful
That Brandon Marshall has been openly campaigning all offseason for the Dolphins to sign Matt Flynn.
That of course has nothing to do with the new HC being from the Packers
Nope its because Daboll sucks
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 4, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
On the plus side, Daboll has never misappropriated pens and picks up trash without being asked
Did you read “War Room”? Anyone? Bueller?
Daboll was passed over for Josh McDaniels for the OC job in New England. Daboll had been with the pats longer then McDaniels, and was in line to be the OC, but Belihick preferred McDaniels and went with him for OC. Daboll did not take it well, allowing his dissatisfaction to show in meetings, etc… which is why he jumped ship with Mangini to the Jets.
It was McDaniels that worked directly with Cassel on the Pats, not Daboll.
Not saying Daboll is a bad hire, but that’s his connection to the Patriots/Pioli.
Scrap Heap
So while a lot of people here were very unhappy at the prospect of getting McDaniels, Pioli has addressed that problem by going out and getting a guy worse than McDaniels.
Are there actually names for different layers of a scrap heap? What’s the name for that crusty stuff you find at the bottom of one?
by UCrawford on Feb 4, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That did happen, yes.
But if you can’t laugh at the Raiders, really – who can you laugh at?
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
I Finally Figured Out Why Crennel Came Here To Coach The Defense
He knew it was the only way he got to be a head coach again. He knew Haley was too much of a loose cannon to keep the job, he knew Pioli was unlikely to be able to land another coach once he inevitably fired Haley, and he knew that he’d be taking over a situation where all he had to do was be better than Haley.
Maybe we should make Crennel the GM. He seems to be a pretty sharp guy.
and maybe that's the next step in Crennel's plan all along ;-)
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"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Shows Forward-Looking Thinking
I’m mulling over if I’d like to see it. If Pioli doesn’t knock this draft out of the park or do something worthwhile in free agency, I’m one losing season from calling for his head.
I'll give the guy credit
For building a formidable offense around Matt Moore and drawing up the plays that would give Reggie Bush his first 1,000 yard rushing season. And also remember that we almost made it to the playoffs with 4 Palko starts and a full season of Muir. I think even a half-competent coordinator should be able to make a top 10 offense out of these guys. Too much talent regardless of who is the QB.
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 4, 2012 8:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Reggie Bush
Did do pretty good with this cat as the OC.
All he has to do is call in 2 plays for Manning and Manning will run the show.
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Dynamic Offensive Mind?????
Pioli and…. I fear Romeo are full of crap!
So are you BigChief, so are you!
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
before some of you explode in abject hatred ...
go check out this post …
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/2/3/2770287/brian-daboll-2012-chiefs-oc-official
… and follow the short thread, read the links provided by our own Matt_Grbac and try (for a change) to keep an open mind …
… a lot of us last night, when this was announced, were of the same mind, less than overwhelmed … but the more we heard about Daboll the more we got at least to the point of “hey, he might be OK after all” instead of pure, unthinking “wtf” ’
give the guy a chance
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Feb 4, 2012 8:57 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Not Buying It
I’m a results guy and the simple fact is that when it comes to results, he hasn’t gotten them. Ever. In quite a few years of opportunity as an OC. This is a guy that Bill Belichick passed over for Josh McDaniels…and it’s not like McDaniels set the world on fire.
Whenever you have to rationalize a hire by pointing at all the conditions that led to the hire not getting results wherever else he’s worked, it’s most likely a bad hire.
He got them with the Dolphins
Just because you cherry pick what you want to look at doesnt mean it didnt happen, the Dolphkns had a very good end of the year offensively.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 4, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
There are more reasons than meet the eye
as to why Belichick chose McDaniels. Daboll spoke his mind, was not a yes man. That does not work with NE
In truth?
Yes I do. I consistently go back to War Room. Guys who questioned the coach aloud in meetings (which should be welcomed in any environment) went nowhere in the organization or left. McDaniels earned his trust and he was given the reins.
I'm at this point
after reading some of the information on him. I’m not thrilled about the hire. Looking under the surface it seems like he has some potential, so I’m not judging. After Muir and Haley he does look like an upgrade. How much of an upgrade remains to be seen.
Yeah, Daboll migh be "ok".
But, I’m getting tired “ok”.
I want “ass-kicking”.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
by Scott B. on Feb 4, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was upset too, then did some digging
at cleveland his best talents were QBs Anderson and Jake Delhomme RB Jerome Harrison and WR Mohammad Massaquoi. He led this group to their best offensive numbers over a four year span. At Miami he got Reggie Bush his 1st 1000 yard season, Brandon Marshall had over 1200 yards receiving all with Matt Moore at the helm. Miami also needs a right tackle. I am going to keep an open mind for this guy and see what he can do with a great running back, two very good receivers and another mediocre quarterback.
by TheValleybetterthanPAC12 on Feb 4, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
I am trying to keep and "open mind" and I know
that almost everybody on this site probably has been a chiefs fan all their life like me…… that most spend just as much money every year on season tickets… jerseys…. sunday ticket…. and on and on and on…. I drive 5 hours one way from IA to support the chiefs. I come to this site daily and comment rarely. I truly feel I always keep an open mind and love looking at all sides of the debates that occur on this site….. and understand that I am probably overreacting…. but right now… I feel like crap… I just hope that the national media is wrong and that Pioli is the one with the open mind… I hope that this hire does work out… I just wish Pioli would start doing things the CHIEFS WAY. WOW. I did not realize I had that big of a man crush on Al Saunders!
I was pretty much in the same boat.
Now that I’ve had some time to digest things a bit more, I don’t hate hire. Kind of still cautiously optimistic at best.
I wanted Saunders, but at the same time I dreaded the idea of Saunders in that our HC and OC would both be 65, and that doesn’t look good for the long term health of the team with two retirements not far away.
Curious how I’ll feel about this in a week once things have had a chance to set in more.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Yeah! For God's sakes ... will ya just give the poor kid a chance!?
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
OH I will give him a chance
I really hope he comes in and hits the gas peddle … but the hire still feels like I am in line at a kissing both .. to find out there is a fat chic running it, yea she may end up kissing good but not to thrilled about it
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
Pretty much confirms Cassel is the QB
Found the only guy with a connection to Pioli and Cassel. HA!
No it doesn’t. But good try.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Not surprising that the reactions are what they are
but I think this will be a very good hire. Take a step back and forget the numbers and look at the personnel. Did guys get better under Daboll? Yes they did. Did Daboll play a hand in the development of reliable winners like Deion Branch and Troy Brown? Yes he did.
Why are we, as fans, concerned about whether or not Daboll is a prick? The same people will get on Romeo for being a “players coach”. He has also proven that he is a fairly good judge of talent as shown in “War Room”. Whereas Belichick (aka God, Genius, etc) wanted Laurence Maroney and Chad Jackson, Daboll was vehemently against it. Where are those guys playing now?
He got passed over for McD in NE and went with the other “renegade” Mangini, who while being a prick is also a very good football mind. People wanted a more dynamic offense, and we will get it. Al Saunders, while a good candidate, is 65 years old. This is the type of guy we needed.
And lastly, why would Romeo (who has insisted that he is making the calls on staff) pick this guy if he wasn’t a fit for our team after weeks of hunting for an OC.
Overreaction city, speculation rampant. Let’s just see how this plays out before we start jumping ship.
And see ups’ post a few up from mine. Agree with him very much.
by Steve_in_RI on Feb 4, 2012 9:01 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Thank you!
We, as Chiefs fans, need to keep some perspective about this. Some generic ranking numbers are not what ANYONE in the NFL looks at when making these kind of hires. Do people honestly think that Pioli/Crennel or any other GM/Coach out there is thinking when they hire an OC, “lets go down the list of top-ranked offenses and pick the smallest number!”.
Terrible Hire
Looking forward to a bottom of the league offense.
Va4Luv606
That's a terrible thing to look forward to!
Passes tissue.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Seeing as he managed to field a better offense than ours with fewer weapons
I don’t see why you’d think it’ll be worse.
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Yes indeed
I can’t see how people think it will be worse either. I preferred Saunders or someone else, but someone pointed out Saunders is 65. Makes me feel a little better.
Chiefs just went from suck to blow
This has Pioli written all over it. I’ve been a Chiefs fan since ‘93 when I was 10 years old, but if Haley is hired here in Pittsburgh, I’m trading in my Chiefs jerseys for black & gold.
Just uninspired. The only thing that will give me any hope for this franchise going forward is the signing of Peyton Manning. Colt McCoy is a great kid and Daboll treated him like complete garbage; I don’t care what else people say about him, that’s all I need to know. And his record as an OC speaks for itself.
I’m on the brink of being done with the Chiefs.
Sadly' I agree
I need to see Luck, RGIII or Manning as QB to invest the time, money, and effort to find a place to watch Chiefs games this season. Otherwise I’ll watch the default games on tv and follow the Chiefs game on the Internet
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 4, 2012 9:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we sign the best players on the planet we will be good enough for you Matt Hoover?
Rethink your thoughts and return with some respect for a team you’ve been such a big fan of since 93. Don’t let these yahoos ruin that.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Will be interesting if Cassel was consulted on this hire
Not saying that’s a bad thing to do. But I assume he had input. If so, it also would indicate that Cassel is the guy for the foreseeable future. Also will be interesting to see what Jim Zorn does. He’ll either leave or get a nice raise. Pioli has everything riding on Cassel. He’s all in with this hire, IMHO.
Eh, I can't really imagine Cassel being of a high enough status to be consulted about what coach they should hire.
Manning, Brady, Rodgers – yeah, alright.
Cassel? Anything’s possible I guess. But that would be quite the story.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
To all Chiefs fans that are complaining about the hire
Go watch the 31 -3 drubbing they gave us and how he picked apart Romeo’s defense. I mean seriously this guy did excellent job with below avg roster in Miami. But i guess most Chiefs fans wanted Saunders Crennel already said he wasn’t changing offense. Which makes sense because no need setting players back by going away from offense they spent 3yrs learning. It was very successful when Weis was here. Daboll runs similar offense to what they ran out of new england being former Patriot. Last I also check Mccoy took step back since Daboll left Cleveland. Anyways good hire any Chiefs fans got problem go watch how Dolphins creamed us and how Matt Moore looked like Marino against our defense.
Impressive
If you don’t look at the fact that the entire coaching staff was fired after the season.
That 31-3 drubbing said more about the Chiefs’ bad coaching than it did about the talent of Daboll.
he also drubbed
Other teams for 30 points with matt moore and Miami. But he will only be successful if he ain’t stuck with Cassel that guy is garbage you can’t win with him. Anyway I take daboll over muir let’s see what he can do here with the ton of weapons we got but plz get a better qb
by rickrock58 on Feb 4, 2012 9:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Crennel was the one who got outcoached that game
Think that may have piqued his interest? Just one theory…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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Sorry for the double post
It didn’t pick up my comment:
It’s not a bad thing for Cassel to be consulted. It would simply indicate that Cassel is indeed the QB going forward. Pioli seems to be “all in” with this pick as it relates to Cassel.
The next thing of note will be Jim Zorn. Does he get a nice raise or does he leave? I assume Pioli wants Zorn to stay and try to maximize Cassel’s potential, whatever that may be.
With any luck they'll just bring in someone that can beat out Cassel for the starting spot.
I know I’m one of the few, but I’m holding out hope dammit!
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
this guy cant
Let Cassel be his qb that be like mccoy he needs a better downfield passer to employ his offense ala moore, if he let’s Cassel and his noodle arm try he will be gone. Orton or manning and even flynn could make his offense work Cassel will not make him look good
by rickrock58 on Feb 4, 2012 9:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If Nothing Else
My wife loves this hire because it confirms my season tickets will not be renewed. Made the decision that I will not put another dime into Clarks pockets, while he continues to cram this “average on his best day” QB down our throats yet tells us they are committed to winning championships. Perhaps if they let Rick Stanzi have a shot I will revisit my choice, Or if I see a true plan to fix the O-line. But at the rate they are going, I’m gonna save a lot on tickets/parking but spend it all drowning my sorrows on the couch.
Your decision to renew
had to be made prior to January 17. You either renewed then or didn’t renew. If you’re backing out now, say goodbye to 10% of your first payment.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 4, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Are the Chiefs trying to create enough fan support in KC...
to allow them to move the team to LA? This is crazy. Daboll? Absolutely insane.
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I hope this doesn't mean a Cassel vs. Chad Henne QB battle
please…..no…..
https://twitter.com/#!/super8kc
Don't worry, if Chad Pennington's stitched up shoulder is healed, he'll be our back-up.
Perfect, cheap, cast-off type of signing we can expect from our franchise.
I am a huge Chiefs fan
but I disagree with this hire so I hope they fail and everyone on the team dies.
I mean seriously, I am a results guy, and his results with the Chiefs are HORRIBLE.
what has Daboll EVER DONE FOR THE CHIEFS? He’s been on the job, what? 6 hours? and he hasn’t done shit.
They are just going with what they know, pulling from people they know something about. WTF? Why didn’t they hire Al Saunders who I know is good because he’s been a Chiefs coach before and I’m familiar with his work?! err…. you know what I mean. They should hire somebody they don’t know anything about, damn it.
F THIS GUY. F THE CHIEFS. I QUIT THE CHIEFS FOREVER.
by fongKC on Feb 4, 2012 9:21 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Good ridens
Glad you quit Chiefs who cares now change your name to fongdonkey or fongfaiders.
Does this officially end the Peyton Manning hunt?
Because he doesn’t really fit in a run heavy offense.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 4, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Maybe he is here to be Pioli's tool, a yes man...Pioli really wants to hire himself as the OC.
Now maybe he has a guy that will take direct orders, and just there to collect a paycheck.
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Feb 4, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Substance over sizzle, guys
also, right 53. “fit.” Takes two to marry. Team speed.
Or maybe Daboll can spawn a new lameass Pioli catch phrase? “baby steps.”?
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Whats the difference between this hire and getting josh mcfailure, both of these guys have loosing track records.
sigh……well as a fan was hoping they would use that money to bring in someone that would at least inspire hope. Not saying this guy will not work out but he does not inspire anything.
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Feb 4, 2012 9:40 AM CST reply actions
Where did all these users come from?
I swear they only show up when begativity needs to be spewed
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Why do the Chiefs always go after someone that smokes them?
Just because they beat the Chiefs, doesn’t mean they are worth having on your team. WTF?
I don't understand this.
The Dolphins ranked 20th in points and 22nd in points scored last season.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
That means their OC totally and completely sucks
I mean, how could you not do better with all that talent on offense?
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Shit
I wish I could be an eternal optimist like some of you. Saying this is a good hire is comical. Terrible, terrible hire. Just awful.
by IDChop on Feb 4, 2012 9:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
and I wish I could predict the future like you Chop.
Passes tissue.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 4, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Damn, I was hoping last night was a nightmare
I was really wanting big Al to come back and maybe get Peyton but now I’m sure cassel is here to stay. Maybe Daboll will turn out to be a good hire. Go Chiefs!!!
by clarksvillechiefs on Feb 4, 2012 9:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Time will tell Idk about it either I wanted Al
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 4, 2012 10:05 AM CST via Android app reply actions
I didn't like the hire
but I’m warming up to it. Daboll’s offenses against the Chiefs are 2-0. However, that’s not the reason I’m wavering. The Dolphins offense improved each week last season it seemed and a lot of their losses fell on the defense giving up points late. Bottom line, I can hate until I’m blue in the face, but it isn’t going to change anything. Might as well roll with it and see what happens.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 4, 2012 10:07 AM CST reply actions
Great mindset.
Don’t have to love it, but it’s what we have and may as well see where it takes us. (Though anyone could ignore all of us expert football analysts on AP and do something different I’ll never know. We’re totally pro!)
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
So much negativity
Im done with it, all it does is create more negativity and gets people no where. Daboll is our OC now, breathe deep, accept it and move on.
Just give the guy a chance WITH THE CHIEFS, please? As fans this is outside of our control, can we please not devolve into a self pity “woah is me the Chiefs fan” argument fest?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
He might already be on the job
scheduling an appointment to meet with Cassel. Scheduling an appointment to meet with Orton. Scheduling an appointment to meet with Manning and potentially see one of these workouts where he looks so ready to go. Maybe he’s even going to meet with Matt Flynn. RAC has a good reputation in the league. From what I read, Daboll’s players at Cleveland and Miami all liked him. If he’s proactive, this could all turn out great for the Chiefs.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 4, 2012 10:18 AM CST reply actions
BTW, I don't know what's considered tampering when it comes to free agents
so hopefully I wasn’t talking out of my ass completely.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 4, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
You can talk with your own free agents.
But not others, and certainly not Manning, who is still a Colt. Free agency doesn’t start till something like the second week of March.
Well hopefully in March
he’s pounding the pavement, erasing any doubt there might be about the situation in KC. If he’s proactive working with these guys, you won’t be able to doubt that he’s at least trying.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 4, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I Think They'll Cut Him Before Then
And if I recall, they changed the rules so now teams are allowed to talk to free agents before free agency starts.
Irsay seems to be rebutting anything the Manning camp says
will be interesting to see if it takes until the March deadline to play out.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 4, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
They have to cut him by March 8th.
So yeah, he’ll be cut before then.
I’ve not heard that teams can talk to free agents before free agency starts. I think that was just a lockout thing, that teams could talk to players for a one week period, but couldn’t sign them.
I Think It Changed Before The Lockout
Because the rules before were pretty much unenforceable and often ignored.
I think
it was put in just for the end of the lockout, because of the shortened free agency period. They didn’t want teams pressured so much for time, by having everyone trying to get signed in one or two days.
If teams could talk to free agents now, what’s the point of even having a free agency period?
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by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 4, 2012 10:39 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
The Patriot Way
too often people on this blog try and seperate Offense and Defense, Coaches, GM, Def Cord. and Off Cord. They all must work together to win games. The offense that Al Saunders would create may not work with the defense that Crennel wants to run. It is a mistake to not think that Crennel doesnt have an indea of the offense he wants run. If you use a quick strike offense (like the one the rams and chiefs used) then you will have your defense on the field more than you want, Time of Possesion is the name of the game. Running the ball and dinking and dunking staying in bounds and making their defense stay on the field and wear down is more important than being able to go up top 20 times a year. This is a tried and true method. It is how the Patriots, Giants, Ravens, Steelers, 49ers, etc.. all won this last year. and how most of those teams i mentioned continue to win and make the playoffs year in and year out. it doesnt rely on out talenting and guessing right on playcalling. it relies on enforcing your will on the other team.
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by la flama blanca on Feb 4, 2012 11:23 AM CST reply actions
More I read about this guy
The more I like him. He’s young… so his track record is going to be spotty. When you start out.. you don’t get placed on great offensive teams…you get placed on dog shit offenses (aka Browns and Miami).
Just so you know. KC didn’t score 30+ points all season long. In Miami’s last 9 games, they scored 30+ 4 times and had 2 other 25+ games.
AND HE DID THAT WITH MATT MOORE AND REGGIE BUSH????
Before you guys freak out… judge him after the season. Also, Saunders is 65… he’ll retire soon. Rather have a guy for the long haul.
by Brad-KC on Feb 4, 2012 11:31 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
So basically, in his first year on the team with shaky talent...
They had a rough start. And then, as the year went along, they were pretty impressive offensively.
It’s almost as though stats don’t tell the entire story.
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Sorry, but if he increases the chiefs from a 31st ranked scoring offense to a 27th ranked scoring offense, that doesn’t mean it’s a good hire. His qualifications are he’s a former Patriot. That’s all Pioli cares about. He is not the best man for the job, if Pioli cared about the best man for the job, Al Saunders would be the man. Screw Pioli and his cronyism. I can’t wait til we get a good GM.
lol.
I’m not that worked up about it. This guy was just last on my list. Further down than 3rd.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 4, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
ahaha the only way to spin this hire into a positive
Is that Haith came from miami with a shitty track record and is now kicking ass for us.
That is THE ONLY THING i can use to justify this…. see you guys for the draft, its literaly impossible to be excited about this.
Matt Moore and Reggie Bush put up 31 on the Chiefs at Arrowhead
Matt Cassel put up 3 points on the Dolphins at Arrowhead
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by Kristospherein on Feb 4, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Daboll > Muir
But I would have rather had Saunders or Zorn for the simple fact that I am familar with them. I know nothing about this Daboll. If we win the division with a top 10 offense next year, then I’ll be his number one fan. Time to prove your worth, Daboll.
Gone scalpin'...
good hire.
Daboll didnt have much to work with in Miami but he made strides and their offense scored points, which is what we want our offense to do. The talent is much better here in KC. NOT TO MENTION most new Head Coaches get rid of the old regime regardless of their performance.
Remember Crennel was fired from Cleveland!!!! why/ because he couldnt make a badly injured team WIN. Sounds kind of familiar doesnt it? Remember Belichek didnt do so well in cleveland either. But wow what did he do in New England.
So this wont stop the negativity because some people just have to be that way. thank god those people are not in charge of our beloved chiefs. Because Pioli is so secretive , fuels the ridiculous speculations.
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