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Be honest, what are your thoughts on us drafting Trent Richardson (and the other RB's in this draft)? And Daboll talk.

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As a few of you may know, I am a full believer in DeCastro and think he will easily be the best available player at our pick. But I got to thinking earlier today about Trent Richardson and what he could really offer us. I mean, so many mock drafts think that we should get this guy. There is obviously a reason for it.

First off, he's a weight room animal. He bench presses more than the average freshman offensive lineman (known max around 490 pounds), squats well over 600 pounds, and can power clean around 370 pounds. Combine that with his 4.5 speed (it's not outstanding, but he can breakaway) and you have yourself a physical freak.

Second, he has an ideal frame for an NFL bruiser. He's 5'11 and around 230 pounds (a very lean 230 pounds). He's got thighs like Earl Campbell and is well known for having one of the most powerful documented stiff-arms by a running back ever, and is also known for an incredibly low center of gravity and amazing balance that makes him a nightmare to bring down due to mismatches. Anybody too tall can't get low enough to get a good hit on him without slipping off, and anybody too small will just get overpowered by his brutish strength.

Third, he's proven that he's a versatile player that can take a lot of punishment. He had over 1,900 total yards this season and also returned kicks! He gets a lot of carries and rarely gets injured. He's also a very effective pass-blocker and can take over Jones' spot as the pass-blocking specialist.

But how does he really fit our scheme, and this team in general? This is where I get a little iffy on Trent. He's played behind a massive wall of meat in Alabama and it will probably take a little getting used to our puny line (one of the many reasons to bulk up. Doesn't hurt Jamaal and makes our line more versatile for different types of runners). However, Trent isn't solely a power back. He shows great awareness and can find any hole in the line, and has good agility and explosiveness to get there before it closes up. We won't give anything away when he or Jamaal check in for each other because we can run the same type of plays that we do with Jamaal with Richardson. Besides, can you really think of a better compliment to Jamaal than Richardson?

Also, we just brought in Daboll to be the OC (a move I approve of, BTW), and he has a history of bigger, meatier PBS. He had A big, fairly efficient line in Cleveland in 2010 and got the most out of the guys who played, and he had another big line that paved the way for Reggie Bush to go for over 1,000 yards and for rookie Daniel Thomas to have some good games, and also kept Matt Moore relatively clean. People say we shouldn't use a PBS because we have small RB's, but look at the best small RB's. When Chris Johnson ran for over 2,000 yards, he had a power line. Same with Ladanian Tomnlinson, Thurman Thomas, Marshall Faulk and many others. A small RB can do just fine with a bruising line, and having a brusing line allows a bigger back to fit right in as well.

Of course, the argument that if we draft Richardson we can't draft DeCastro/Reiff/Martin. This is of course the most obvious reason. Why pick an early round RB prospect like T-Rich when we already have a good running game and can grab an RB later? After all, we'd pass up on who could be the next elite guard/tackle. These are obviously good reasons, but if all goes well we could also pick up Mike Adams in the 2nd Round and hopefully sign a guy like Carl Nicks, Ben Grubbs, or Louis Vasquez to play LG. This makes our line bigger and a little bit more promising in that we already know what we're getting in Nicks/Grubbs/Vasquez.

Once again, I am not on the Richardson bandwagon, I'm just bringing up topics for discussion.

But again, why pass up on other guys who we really need when we can grab a good RB later? Maybe a guy like...

Chris Polk(5'11, 224 pounds, Washington)?

He's a versatile, accomplished back who plays behind a sub-par offensive line but does a lot with what he's got. He's a physical runner who really runs behind his pads, but also has flashes of breakaway speed. However, he has gotten quite a few injuries, not something we really need. He will most likely be available in the second round and could potentially be available in the 3rd.

Lamar Miller (5'11, 212 pounds, Miami)?

It's quite the stretch he lasts to us in the second round... like a real big stretch. But if'n he does, he would be a great choice. He's mainly a speedy back, but knows how to play rough and is relatively tough to bring down. He is pretty durable and would be an excellent pick.

David Wilson (5'11, 205 pounds, Virginia Tech)?

Mainly known for his blazing speed and sudden cuts and movement, David Wilson is basically the kind of guy you'd want behind our line. Picks his holes quickly and runs through them like a light beam. Has problems with ball security however (a relatively silent problem for the Chiefs this past season, fortunately) and does get knicked up some. He will be available later.

Isaiah Pead (5'10, 193 pounds, Cincinnati)?

Isaiah always appears to me like he wishes he was bigger. He's a very small guy but shows endless amounts of sheer physical toughness that you don't always get out of a little player like him. Sure, he's got the speed and agility of a elusive back like Barry Sanders or something, but he's also got this confusing kind of contact-seeking mentality that would really throw you off if you were just tuning into the game. He takes pride in the blue-collar facets of his game, like blocking and pounding it in on the goalline and really knows how to finish off a run by putting someone on their arse. Combine those attributes with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl and surely great measurables, and his stock skyrockets.

Vick Ballard (5'11, 217 pounds, Mississippi State)?

Your typical jack-of-all-trades. Don't expect him to run over Patrick Willis or juke Ed Reed out of his shoe's but he's got a nice combination of everything.

Terrance Ganaway (6'0, 241 pounds, Baylor)?

Terrance is one of those weird Bam Morris/Donnell Bennett esque tweeners between fullback and halfback. He's a big, powerful guy who kind of lacks explosion but REALLY knows how to push a pile and convert short-yardage situations. He was reportedly over 250 pounds a few months ago, but has worked to get rid of that gut and has cut his weight down some. That's always good.


Which of these running backs (or some other one) would you like?

Poll
Draft day. Roger Goodell walks up to the podium. "With the 11th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs draft Trent Richardson, running back, Alabama." Your first reaction is...
Very, very bad. You are fuming in anger.
11 votes
Pretty bad. We don't need him.
14 votes
You disapprove slightly.
36 votes
You are indifferent.
25 votes
Good. You like this pick.
54 votes
Very, very good.
44 votes

184 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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i really like Miller or Pead

And OL in the 1st

But… Richardson could be awesome, as long as they get good value on OL/TE in the 2nd/3rd

by stagdsp on Feb 4, 2012 11:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

great post as always, NN!

that said, I’m not at all down with using a first on this guy … too many other needs to address first that are much higher priority in my mind

just my honest 2 cents worth

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by upamtn on Feb 4, 2012 11:40 AM CST reply actions  

would be a waste of a 1st round pick IMO

good rb’s can easily be found later on in the draft, a 1st round pick should be on a guy who can play 6+ years in the league, not be done in 5

by banshee_01 on Feb 4, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

=O

What about Adrian Peterson? I bet everyone who passed him up feels pretty dumb.

by KrazyChiefsfan on Feb 6, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

You forgot Doug Martin RB Boise State

Another body builder-type only built more like Jones or Ray Rice, and im leaning towards Ray Rice.

As a BAMA fan Id love T-Rex in the first, doubt it happens though. I see us targeting a linemen, and no way Adams is there in the 2nd.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 4, 2012 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

Ya I like Martin alot

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by GenericBrand on Feb 4, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Great post btw

Good information.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Feb 4, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I like David Wilson and Doug Martin later

I don’t like Richardson, not because I don’t think he’s a good player but I just don’t think ay RB is worth a first round pick.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Feb 4, 2012 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

Wilson to me seems like Charles 2.0

Same type of runner, can still get physical and comes in with ball security issues. If you can parade those guys out on the field one after another that creates probles for defenses and also allows our offense to remain exactly the same in playcalling. The type of back I want to see drafted though depends alot on if we re-sign battle or McCLain.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 4, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

I want another fast RB for sure, not a lumbering power-back… that makes the offense too predictible.

Gotta bring McClain and Battle back, then replace Jones with a guy that can run like JC

by stagdsp on Feb 4, 2012 2:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

getting a bigger RB doesnt fix that problem

McClain and Battle are plenty capable of picking up short conversions, as was Jones… but the blocking has to be there, and the play call can’t be too obvious.

by stagdsp on Feb 4, 2012 3:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Bewsaf pointed out last year ...

that the Chiefs had the least amount of double-team drive blocks in the AFC West, at least. Umm, isn’t what that ZBS stuff is for? If so, we either need a new OG that’s hoss enough to do it in tandem with Hudson, or an OL coach that designs them better using Lilja and Asamoah with Hudson? Gotta blow holes open up the gut somehow for McClain/Battle.

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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a big proponent of the the Lightning and Lightning concept too, Stags.

A guy like that can catch passes on Matty’s endless check-downs and screens when said guy is spelling JC. A lightning RB would be good insurance for JC getting nicked up/injured again. Can run the same stuff as JC.

I like Pead in the 3rd/4th, Wilson, Miller (although I think Miller is definitely gone by the 2nd at the latest. And Wilson might go most likely in the 2nd) Hell, I think even Cyrus Gray is worth a flier if he’s still there in the 5th most likely, or 6th? Maybe even Tauren Poole is worth a flier in the 5th if he’s still there as an inside zone back.Like Doug Martin for an inside zone RB, too; but man, he might go in the 2nd now?

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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

well said

I would be fine with Martin in the 2nd, assuming they go OL in the 1st

by stagdsp on Feb 4, 2012 5:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I sure like Richardson but there are several others that will be alot cheaper and

probably still very good. These from Walter Football.

Trent Richardson, RB Alabama Height: 5-11 Weight: 220 40 Time: 4.49
Lamar Miller, RB Miami Height: 5-11 Weight: 212 40 Time: 4.46
Chris Polk, RB Washington Height: 5-11 Weight: 222 40 Time: 4.46
David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech Height: 5-11 Weight: 222 40 Time: 4.45
LaMichael James, RB Oregon Height: 5-9 Weight: 185 40 Time: 4.38
Doug Martin, RB Boise State Height: 5-9 Weight: 215 40 Time: 4.46
Bernard Pierce, RB Temple Height: 6-0 Weight: 217 40 Time: 4.51
Isaiah Pead, RB Cincinnati Height: 5-10 Weight: 200 40 Time: 4.41

by jcox31mc on Feb 4, 2012 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

I think the question of our blocking scheme becomes interesting now.

As much as I didn’t think Lilja needed replacement right away in a ZBS, he probably needs to go now if we switch schemes. Asamoah and Albert are really the only two guys who would probably excel in that system(maybe Hudson too) so we need at least two new starting olinemen as well as new depth.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 4, 2012 11:51 AM CST reply actions  

Ya I was just thinking this too actually

I still think he’s better off as depth but the switch, if it’s made, should help him.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 4, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I just became a much bigger fan of signing Grubbs

or even Nicks for that matter.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 4, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd take Grubbs in place of Nicks.

Cuz Nicks is WAY, way out of Pioli/Clarks’ price range; I have no idea what kind of moolah Grubbs could get though? Plus, I see Payton letting either Colston or Vilma walk to sign Nicks; I mean, you gotta keep Nicks. You can draft another LB, or sign/draft another WR, and Bress will make that guy look good.

A bit off topic, but while I’m thinking about it. Also, I think drafting Senio Kelemete could become a great value pick if he was still there in the 4th? I watch quite a lot of Pac-10 ball (THE USC Trojans forevah, baby!), and he looks like he’d be a great fit in our ZBS. He’d have to sit a year and work on some things; but hey, any OG would have to sit for season behind Lilja, anyway.

Being a Pac-10 Homie to the rad bitchin max, my sentimental fave RB is Polk. But as you point out, Martin would appear to be a good inside run-zone RB. I just don’t see him bouncing much outside the OT’s though? (shrug)

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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

great points

Senio K would be a logical choice, could sit for 1 yr, like Asamoah/Hudson

Nicks probably will be too expensive, Lilja will probably be better this year next to Hudson…

The only caveat: DeCastro WOULD start day one

by stagdsp on Feb 4, 2012 5:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Colston

If the Saints let Colston or Vilma walk I’d put money on the fact that it’d be Colston in that offense now just pointless to pay good money Brees could get a fly to catch balls for the Saints. Vilma is the unquestioned leader of that defense which isn’t very average-slightly above average with him without him its just average.

by SportingIntellect on Feb 4, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Hudson

Not that I think he’d struggle in a PBS but not sure I’d say excel at least right away looking at the previous two center’s Daboll has worked with and very good ones at that were 2 and 3 inches taller and outweighed Rodney though not by a ton still think gotta think most centers working playing somewhere at or under 300 are more ZBS not a thing I’ve studied or anything just a thought.

by SportingIntellect on Feb 4, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Disapprove slightly.

Not a big fan of drafting RBs that high, especially when you already have one of the best. But if he turns into a beast, it would be a good pick.

by Tarkus on Feb 4, 2012 12:06 PM CST reply actions  

11th pick? Have you rigged the coin flip?

I’m usually not a fan of drafting running backs in round 1, but you can justify taking Richardson. The fact of the matter is that to win football games with this team we have to run the ball and to close teams out we’ll be running 30 to 40 times a game. Jamaal will get 15-20 of those carries so I wouldn’t mind another beast like Trent getting around 15-20. Sprinkle in a little Dex and we’d have an unstoppable ground game.

by ChiefsFetish on Feb 4, 2012 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Why would you take a RB that high?

I would much rather have Lamichal James or better yet my guy Bobby Rainey

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 4, 2012 5:35 PM CST reply actions  

If we have a chance to grab

DeCastro, we need to do it. We have our stud RB. If we get McClain back, along w/ an improved OL, RB isn’t a need IMO.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 4, 2012 5:58 PM CST reply actions  

Question

I agree with the statement about DeCastro but do you let him be at left guard reports I’ve read sound like he’d maybe make a slightly better rg and move over big Jon? Who did very well in pass pro Either way that’d give us one of the better young G combos in the nfl.

by SportingIntellect on Feb 4, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

RB is not longer a first round position

outside of a truly elite prospect. I want a RB but i’d do it later or trade for someone who is undervalued on their current team

by SillyHatDay on Feb 4, 2012 6:41 PM CST reply actions  

I gotta go with my boy Chris Polk

We played high school ball together and he still lives a mile up the street from me. That’s all gonna change in 3 months of course but still.

He’s had a few minor injuries, the most major occuring back in 2008 with his shoulder. A few clean up surgeries too.

Dude’s a straight baller though. In high school he use to run past everyone, then he got to college and became a power back. He ran behind 2 and 3 star lineman back in college and still put up over a thousand yards each season.

He didn’t have a great senior bowl week, but I anticipated that. He isn’t the kind of guy that’s going to wow you in shorts and shirt practices. Put him in pads and let him get physical and it’s a whole new ball game.

I have a feeling he’s gonna have a good combine and people will forget about the senior bowl. Second rounder most likely. It’d be nice to have him in KC, but I root really hard for him to do well being a friend of mine and I think I’d end up getting too emotional on here if people didn’t take to him.

by SoCalChief17 on Feb 5, 2012 12:37 AM CST reply actions  

cool background and great info

I wish him the best wherever he lands … especially if it’s KC :-)

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by upamtn on Feb 5, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Indifferent...

because I’m going to assume if we can draft him that old Hunty has shelled out a couple bucks for some free-agents.

by 12t on Feb 5, 2012 10:11 AM CST reply actions  

I'd rather have Lamar Miller

Him & JC are practically the same player. Both are fast, shifty & have great vision…they’d be interchangeable. Here’s the best highlights clip I could find on him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7dxPzUBoi4&feature=related

Richardson will be a very good RB, and he’ll be on the highlight reel a lot more with his juke moves & ability to move the pile, but I don’t think he’ll necessarily be more productive than Miller in the NFL.

Of course I wouldn’t take Miller at #11/12, but ideally we could trade back a couple times to the late 1st round & take him (or if he’s there at our pick in the second then definitely take him).

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by jmcgoblue on Feb 5, 2012 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

I'd rather take either CB Claiborne or Kirkpatrick in the 1st then RB Richardson

Let Carr go and select either one of them to go along with Flowers, having two shutdown corners would do wonders for the pass rush. Carr is decent but he still gets burned a lot, plus he’s going to want big money to stay here.
He reminds me way too much of Eric Warfield, time for him to move on. Drafting Richardson at 11-12 would be a mistake, we don’t need another RB that bad to warrant drafting one that high.

by ChiefDailyBaked on Feb 5, 2012 11:52 PM CST reply actions  

I love the idea

of drafting him. If we keep Orton somehow and pick up quality O line in free agency/later rounds in the draft, he would be a great pick! If we don’t do those other things and pick him he would struggle mightily =(

by KrazyChiefsfan on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 AM CST reply actions  

If we have to have the pinnacle of

mediocrity for a quarterback, then Richardson makes a lot of sense.

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by G.L. on Feb 6, 2012 7:15 AM CST reply actions  

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