A Few QB's The Chiefs Should Show Interest In
by AaronMannicci on Feb 3, 2012 4:24 PM CST
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With the news coming out yesterday with Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel saying that they will bring in competition for Matt Cassel. Obviously, they didn't come out and say any players they will be interested in, because that would be too easy! But here are the QB's that I think the Chiefs should take a look at to replace Matt Cassel, because I don't think we need competition for Matt Cassel, we clearly don't need Matt Cassel.
1. Peyton Manning- There has been so much buzz lately about Peyton Manning lately, that we don't even know what to believe. The only thing we do know, is that Manning said Himself he has no plans on retiring. To me, Manning is a perfect fit for the Chiefs. Most readers have already heard my reasons on why I think Manning is a perfect fit, so I won't go into great depth on this one. If you haven't, Here is the link. Next!
2. Matt Flynn- Next to Peyton Manning, Matt Flynn will most likely be the 2nd most talked about QB this off season. In his 1 start of the 2011-2012 season as Aaron Rodgers' backup, he threw for 6 td's and a boatload of yards. A lot of teams with Quarterback openings would love to have Matt Flynn on their roster. But I don't think the Chiefs will. First, because the Chiefs have already taken their chance at a clearly unproven QB in Matt Cassel, and it hasn't panned out exactly how GM Scott Pioli would have liked, so far.I would be happy with Flynn because I think he has all the mechanic's that a franchise QB needs to have, But I just don't see it happening.
3. Jason Campbell- Jason Campbell is a really interesting candidate. Campbell's 2011-2012 campaign was cut short with an injury, and he is likely to be let go since the Raiders are now committed to Carson Palmer. In only 6 games, Campbell threw for about 1,200 yards, 6 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions. His completion/attempt ratio was 100/165, which is very good for a running based offense, which is what the Chiefs are. I like Campbell in KC, and he may have some connections here, also. The Chiefs interviewed the Raiders OC Al Saunders. If Saunders is hired there is even a better chance of landing Campbell.The Other connection, is that our QB coach Jim Zorn was the head coach with the Redskins when Jason Campbell was the starter. I would be very happy if the Chiefs signed Jason Campbell, and either traded or kept Matt Cassel as a backup.
I would have Alex Smith, the QB of the 49ers on this list in the #4 spot, but all things are pointing to him staying in San Fran.
4. Kyle Orton- Orton, Next to Cassel, is probably the front runner for the Chiefs possibly open QB situation. In 3 starts for the Chiefs, Orton threw for 800 yards, and 1 touchdown. The Offense played much better with Orton under center, and actually looked like a decent team. Head Coach Romeo Crennel said in his most recent interview that they are going to try and bring back Kyle Orton, and I think that's smart. Orton played well, and with a returning star RB in Jamaal Charles and one of the better TE's in the league, who is still improving, in Tony Moeaki. The Chiefs would be smart to bring him back.
If the Chiefs signed any of those 4 Quarterbacks, I would be extremely excited. All of them can win with this team, and they would have a great running game alongside them, which all of them have never had in their careers. But recently, Scott Pioli said they will bring in competition for Matt Cassel. That doesn't mean starters, that means someone who can compete with Cassel to make him better. Here a a couple QB's the Chiefs would be smart to pursue, IF they are only looking for competition.
1. Chad Henne- This past season, Chad Henne went down with a shoulder injury in week 3, but will be healthy and ready to come back and play next season. I'm expecting he will be released, because either Matt Moore, or somebody else will be under center for the Miami Dolphins. Henne is somebody who is capable of taking over the team if the original starter is either injured, or benched. But Henne is not the long term answer. I wouldn't be completely disappointed, because Cassel is still capable of putting up a year like 2010 when he had 27 td's and only 7 interceptions. But sadly, I think the best of Matt Cassel is far behind him, and we need a starter. But if the Chiefa re looking for only competition, Chad Henne would be a good pickup.
2. Vince Young- Vince Young's contract is up in Philly, and he is likely to not be re-signed, because of his expensive contract. He played above average with the Eagles when Mike Vick went down with a 3 game injury, and he would definitely be good competition for Matt Cassel. He also gives the Chiefs options of putting him in, in certain packages for play actions, and QB runs. If the Chiefs are only bringing competition, I would be very staisfied with Vince Young because he can take over the team for the short-term, just not the long-term. Liek I said, we don't need backups though, we need starters.
3. Jimmy Clausen- Clausen was drafted into a terrible situation in Carolina, and has yet been given a chance to show what he's got. We really don't know if he is good enough to be considered competition, but He will keep Cassel playing his heart out. I wouldn't be too happy if Jimmuy Clausen was picked up, because that really means that Cassel has the starting job, because I don't think Clausen has enough skills to steal the starting job.
Honestly, there aren't a lot of Quarter Backs out there that are capable of winning the training camp battle with Matt Cassel, other than the first 4 I named in the first half of the post. All of those 4 QB's are capable of taking us to a Super Bowl, given the weapons around them. We have a good running game, good TE, great receiving group, good O-line (assuming it's taken care of over the off season) and a good, young defense. The only thing missing is the QB. From Manning, to Campbell, to Flynn, to Orton, all of them to me are answers at the QB position that clearly needs to be taken care of as soon as possible. This was just a short post giving my opinions on the soon-to-be free agent targets for the Chiefs. Leave your comments, Opinions, thoughts, or other QB's you'd like to see the Chiefs target.
Go Chiefs!
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good stuff as usual, Aaron
my beef with Campbell …
1) you mentioned 6 games, 1,200 yards, 6 td’s and 4 int’s … translate that to ave/game and you get 200 yards 1 td (almost) 1 int … hardly impressive by any measure
2) when both Campbell and Zorn were with the Redskins Campbell wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire … he’s a better choice than Palko for us, and was much better choice than Russell for the Raiders, but he’s not my first option on this list by any means
Orton, please and thank you
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah I did notice that
But Campbell won’t need to put up huge numbers because he’ll have a great running game beside him. Also, he wasn’t throwing to Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, and Moeaki. But yeah, your I agree those stats arent too convincing. He won games though! And thanks!
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 3, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
And Yeah, Orton would be just as good or better, plus he has already had practice, and game experience with the team which always helps.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 3, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Playing against Campbell, I had the strong impression that if the other 10 guys were competent, he would hold up his end.
It’s easy to forget just how bad that Washington team was, and how rarely he got free to do much in Oakland, but every time he DID get free, he executed, and it became an iffy question on whether or not DHB makes the catch. And that was the issue, more than anything related to him. I actually like Campbell more than Orton, because he’s as good, all-around, PLUS he can beat Hali in a sprint to the sideline.
would of ≠ would've
How do you know they haven't?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
I don't understand.
You don’t know if they’ve talked to him, so you don’t think it’s happening? We haven’t heard about them talking to Bowe and Carr either. Do you also believe they’re not talking to them either?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Well, Pioli said we will CONTINUE to talk to those players (Bowe, Carr, Orton) He was referring to them three.
But really,there’s never any reports that teams talk contract talks until late february and weeks before free agency starts. I imagine they’ve talked to all 3, and I think they have to be close to a deal, but all 3 players want to wait a little, to see what other teams have to offer. That’s what happens most of the time. But they all should be re-signed!
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 3, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
There's talkin' and there's talkin'. I imagine there's more urgency on mgmt side for Carr and Bowe.
As for Orton, I think he’s competing with a bigger field. If I’m Pioli, Orton’s a guy I like, but who’s in more or less open competition. We might discuss general parameters for a deal, but I’m definitely kickin’ a lotta tires, before I come back to the Oldsmobile.
would of ≠ would've
How many guys sign during the season, or the year before?
Without researching I’m going to say plenty, and we never hear about it. I think the farther it goes the less likely the retun. All part of the game nowdays. Thank goodness for the tag. In a way it is giving Pioli leverage. Nice job with the post.
by 12t on Feb 3, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Last year
it went as far as franchising Hali before a deal got done.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
If Pioli tags one before signing one the other may be gone...
We are in a good spot to replace both in the draft. We could go Db r1, and still have some top recievers waiting.
by 12t on Feb 3, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
These are guys developed in-house who are proven. I'm not sanguine about instant replacements.
Don’t want either one to walk. They could spell the difference between contending and still being in re-build.
would of ≠ would've
agreed, Sir
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I THINK they have been talking to him, but don't know that for a fact. So, I see your point.
Yes, I think they are talking to all three of them and are trying to work out a deal. I am probably getting antsy waiting on some actual deals being made for a quarterback. I am anxious about the whole thing and probably being a little impatient so to speak.
As Aaron suggested
it’s really difficult to hammer out a deal without some type of deadline, which in this case is free agency. No real rush on the players’ sides.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Good stuff.
Except I think you have Flynn way too high. I’d move him to #4, and move Orton to #2, personally.
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Problem is, except for a HEALTHY Peyton Manning...
There’s no competition there.
Unless your going to totally dismantle the offense (possible), Cassel is going to have the advatage.
All these guys are journeyman, even Orton. Been there, done that, got the depressing T-shirt.
You can win with any of them. But you can’t win “because” of any of them.
Flynn is the only wild card. But he’ll cost too much and for every Schuab there’s a Cassel, Kolb, Whitehurst, Campbell, Orton out there. He showed me something on a flipping ridiculous offense.
Again, been there done that.
Get me a Manning you think is gonna be healthy or draft somebody late 1 early 2 that you believe just needs some cooking to get better.
by mushin on Feb 3, 2012 5:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Cnt agree with you more
I’d healthy if he has 2-4 good years left.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 3, 2012 6:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hell no to Campbell
Orton is better. Flynn is the best of those options. He’s impressed every time he’s had the ball though it is an admittedly small sample size.
When Campell was aloud to actually played, he did well.
And not to mention he won games and that’s what we need. Il admit that his stats aren’t too pretty but he won, and with out great running game and our stellar WR group, any above average QB would be able to play well with us. So I’d be happy if he would come to KC. Also, Imagine what Manning would look like with good arm strength with our great running game and nice WR group! I’m telling you, if we can just get a good QB, one of the ones above, a RT, and a good draft, we are the team to beat in the AFC west and possibly the AFC!
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 3, 2012 9:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Manning is an all-time great passer and field general, but he might not have a "live arm," any more.
But I think his limited mobility (and Orton’s) necessitates a certain level of protection and high quality targets. When they’re gushing about all the good things he did with the new crew of WRs, a year or two ago, those guys were still a thick cut above anything the Chiefs had at the time. The current crew is pretty good.
The thing with a Campbell is, if you drop in coverage and send mostly fatties up the field after him, he can buy more time than an Orton or a Manning. He might, for instance, be able to cope in space against anybody fat enough to manhandle our undersized O-Line. That’s one of the attractions of the more athletic QBs, with the way the team is built, now. For all my criticism of our O-Line, I think they’d’ve given Campbell more good looks to more sticky-fingered wideouts than he got in Oakland or Washington.
But those big-armed and slow-footed QBs really need great interior play, like Brady’s getting from Waters and Mankins, so he actually has a pocket to climb into. This lowers the minimum amount of fend-off needed from the tackles, outside. Drop far enough to make outside rushers take a wide angle, and then step up.
Speaking of New England O-Line, I thought they were getting their starting RT back, but it sounds like Solder’s getting the start. That could be a big problem for Brady. The Giants have 3, maybe 4 d-linemen who can take Solder to school, and they’re not picky about which one they attack him with.
would of ≠ would've
Flynn did better with an *
He had one of the best offenses in history to work with. Reminds me of another guy..,,
by mushin on Feb 3, 2012 10:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
With the obvious exception of Peyton Manning
none of these QBs are serious upgrades over Matt Cassel. Peyton will be playing with a broken neck as soon as he takes a real hit and with our O-line that’s a given, not a maybe. Stick with Cassel, you’ve provided nothing that is an upgrade.
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Minor correction: Neck injury isn't the issue with Manning. He's cleared. The issue is nerve regeneration and how well he can actually throw the damn ball.
would of ≠ would've
Yes and no.
I mean, it was a hurt neck that started this condition right? There’s no reason to think he’s immune from re-injuring it.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 3, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
and has had not one but three operations on it
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
hey upamtn thanks for telling on me for saying shut up.
how sweet. lol.
by the great thunderlips on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
telling on you? LOL ...
telling who? myself?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
your a nobody! lol
dont talk bad to people like your someone then hit flag when someone says something you dont like. thats something little girls do. man up.
by the great thunderlips on Feb 3, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
hit flag?
you toss up THAT as an icon and tell someone else to “man up” … come on, dude
I don’t hit flag, I look for flags … understand?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Umm. lips. I'm gonna have to steal a bit of your thunder
Do yourself a favor. Scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page, and in that little black area, look at the 4th name in the center column. You see those red velvety lips under where it says “Editors”??? That means Ups (That’s Mr. Upamtn to you) is sheriff around these here parts. And I ain’t ever heard of no sheriff bein’ no snitch. Sorta doesn’t work that way.
Why don’t you change your avatar and just enjoy hanging out on AP?
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 3:34 AM CST up reply actions
honestly
most of these guys make me real sad. Peyton would be a blast but is such a longshot that the thought of it is nothing short of surreal. Besides that, I really have to say that the only one who I even remotely like is Orton.
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And that in itself
felt really weird to say. :-\
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I know, huh
does feel odd, but I do feel he’s ahead of Cassel in so many ways
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Agreed
That Greenbay game was a real eye opener. Actually watching him go through his progressions mad me think I died and went to heaven. This was a guy with no real time to develop chemistry with the unit. With improved protection and a full offseason’s worth of work together, I’d really be a happy camper.
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exactly what many of us have said and thought
I could honestly see Orton leading us to at least the playoffs and even a win there … with a new and improved OLIne and etc etc ad nauseum, of course
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
He knew Green Bay tendencies frontwards and backwards and they had real weaknesses.
They didn’t do much to change tendencies to fool him.
In a way, he reminds me of Neil O’Donnell. A great scholar of the game, and able to parse what’s happening very very well, but vulnerable to disguised defenses that behave differently than his pre-snap read. VERY nice touch on the screen game. But if defenses go counter-tendency, all the homework in the world is no substitute for the snap judgement between the snap and the whistle. Some of that might iron out, with more familiarity with the Chiefs.
He looked very very good against Green Bay, but they were a very very poor defense, and the blow-up they had on their offensive line allowed KC’s front 4/5 to dominate, so they weren’t able to score points like usual. (They were also missing Jennings, and Finley and others gifted the Chiefs with a few unforced drops). Blah blah blah.
But Orton definitely appeared to have more command of the position and more understanding than Cassel. But a lot of that understanding depends on the rest of the squad winning their battles, and we saw in the Oakland game how mediocre he can look.
would of ≠ would've
he wasnt actually mediocre against oakland . I thought he showed us exactly what we needed tosee considering we had broncos fans all over here telling us how Orton couldnt get it done in the 4th
We were down and even after throwing that pick to start the 4th he led right down for the field for a td to tie . he then led us down to setup the potential game winner .
by Willie Beamon on Feb 6, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
By the way Aaron, nice post
Thought provoking, with room to argue. Can’t ask for more than that.
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by mushin on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
By the way Aaron, nice post
Thought provoking, with room to argue. Can’t ask for more than that.
iPhone rec
by mushin on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
hahaha
iPhone double post fail! Been there done that!
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Nawww ... Muchin's pet chimp there posted the second one. ;=)
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 3:27 AM CST up reply actions
Like your post.
Some insane, but deep thoughts by Loco.
1) Campbell also interests me a little bit. But I think Campbell probably doesn’t interest Pioli. I have a gut feeling KO doesn’t have much interest in coming back here either. And Campbell is another QB that would need an awesome OL, awesome running game to take the pressure off him, and great receivers to help him out … to maintain his mediocre/average level; but he is a one-degree upgrade over Matty Nice. He can manipulate the pocket somewhat, and extend plays with his feet. Plus, if he keeps his eyes downfield, he can throw a purty decent deep ball every once in a Wolf Moon. And he’s worked with Zorn on that WCO stuff.
2) Also another QB that might interest Pioli is Drew Stanton.
a) Michigan St. guy: Check!
b) Big n’Tall: Check!
c) Something of an arm: Check!
d) Who knows? He might look better with a good OL, a run-first game to take the pressure of him, and cadre of good receivers to spread the ball around. He didn’t have the benefit of these toys at Detroit. Plus he got SCREWED over by some scrub named Matt Stafford???
e) Flat-footed pure-pocket passer: Check!
f) Pro-style offense: Check!
3) Another QB I think might interest Pioli is Chad Henne.
a) Papa Parcells’ draftee: DOUBLE check!!!
b) Sparano gave him THE job for 3 straight years, and he looked purty subpar. But he also played behind a terrible OL, with not much of a running game … and his receivers weren’t all that either (except for Marshall).
c) Michigan: Check!
d) Big n’Tall: Check!
e) Flat-footed pure pocket passer: Check!
f) Pro-style offense: Check!
4) Clausen is interesting to contemplate for the hell of it.
a) He’s another guy that was thrown into the gator pit with a suspect OL, suspect receivers aside from Smith, and an absolutely horrible D.
b) He just wasn’t given 3-4 years to develop on the bench, or at least a year riding the pine, before he was summarily and peremptorily replaced by that apartment B&E, computer jackin’ dude. So who knows? Maybe he’s learned how to read defenses better from the bench this last season?
c) Yes, Clausen is a bit of a prick; but maybe he’s been humbled by now? He has to get his body behind his throws, but he still has bit of an arm. Needs to get his mechanics down, and learn to go thru his progressions, get more accurate, and settle down in the pocket, ect. But that’s all coachable – just like Matty Nice.
d) So is Jimmy coachable? Does he have a brain that would enable him to learn? Is he competitive? Is he willing to put in the work? As Weis said about Matty Nice back in ‘10 – it isn’t about his arm, its about his brain; i.e.: decision making, reading defenses, ect.
e) He’s big enough; comes from a pro-style O; is a pocket passer with some pocket manipulation and mobility; and ran the WCO at ND.
f) I just think Jimmy was given the short shrift by the Panthers.Gosh darn Scotty, give the kid a chance. He could just become OUR Chad Pennington!
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I see why Pioli would be interested but he's very very unproven, and may not create any competition at all.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 4, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
Are you referring to Clausen, Aaron? I presume so.
Well … I just threw his name out there and did a little research and analysis on him. But, we’d have to trade something for him. Some Panther FANS would be happy to cut their losses and get a 5th for him – or even some saying they’d take less. lol.
1) Sure, Cam blew him away with essentially the same players. However, I do think SOME QB’s don’t get a fair shake sometimes.
2) Quite frankly – I don’t expect the Chiefs will get anything more than an average “game manager” type QB; cause …
3) The Chiefs MO for team building has always been: build a heavily run-first O; build a good o-line; and build a kickass defense (the exception being Vermeil of course). Ohhh …
4) I think Campbell and even Henne are better options than Clausen.
It was also just kind of a exercise for me in creative writing and research. Have a good weekend, Senoir. :+)
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
I meant Drew Stanton, but I think that Clausen;s contract is up this year or am i wrong?
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 4, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Clausen signed for 4 years.
That’s pretty standard for a draft pick taken after the 1st round. I think most 1st rounders get 5 years: e.g.: Berry got 5, T-Jax got 5. But now under the new terms of the CBA, Baldwin got 4 with an option for a 5th year. All 1st round picks get 4 plus an optional 5th now under the new CBA; and all picks after the 1st rd. get 4 year deals.
Oh yeah … Drew Stanton is very, very unproven as you said. But Schwartz and their QB coach said he has improved at reading defenses and looking off defenders. And has improved his accuracy and arm strength with better mechanics. But some say he still throws wobbly passes and is fairly weak-armed. However, he did win both his starts back in ‘10. Yeah, I think he’s a career backup, but I just thought I’d throw an overlooked guy out here.
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 4, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs are already counter-tendency, though, from those teams of old.
Remember all those years when they tried to run the WCO with a bunch of scrap-heap WRs? Shoot, now they have a pair of 1st rounders, PLUS a proven veteran stolen from AZ. That’s more talent than they gave Joe Montana, all due respect to Willie Davis.
I’m not totally sold on any of those FAs, but I can’t help but think KC can find somebody who shows more awareness than what I’ve seen from Cassel.
would of ≠ would've
Orton?
Are you kidding? What has Orton done? Cassel did great under Weis. But both are the same. They can win. But, no Elway,Montana,Favre,etc… here. Neither wins the big game. I used to be tired of Dallas fans whining about Romo. I used to would have traded for him. But we have 2 of him Cassel and Orton. Orton got more out of his players than Cassel, but Cassel had a different leader. We need a good offensive co-ordinator, maybe lose Zorn. QB’s do better without Zorn. Cassel will get us to the playoffs, but when their backs are against the wall, Cassels not the guy to scream at his teammates and get them to play at 110%. Like some guy that plays with the Patriots currently.
by Totally confused on Feb 4, 2012 5:07 AM CST reply actions
Yeah, we can't keep saying "He did good under Weis" Weis is gone!
Weis is gone and he is never coming back. And how can yoiu say “What has Orton done?” let’s see……He won a huge game vs. the Packers, should’ve won vs. the Raiders but the kick was blocked, which he has no control over, and lastly he beat the Broncos. He would have taken us to the playoffs, if our line on the field goal kicks knew how to block! Orton threw for 800 yards in 3 games, with no running game, no TE, and no offensive line. Cassel also had a great season last year, but this year, he SUCKED. Cassel and Orton were in the same situation and Orton played overall much much better. Plus Orton played teams that maybe were better, and also were playing to make it into the playoffs.
I’d pick Orton over Cassel
I’d Pick Orton over Flynn (Flynn is unproven but probably going to be good)
I could go either way with Orton and Campbell.
I’d go Manning over all of them. He knows how to win. And how do you win a super bowl? By winning gamesd. Manning knows how to win games. Period.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 4, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
at this point, though, for Manning ...
it’s not what he knows but how he throws
on top of just getting him is a surreal process not likely to happen, that leads the road back to Cassel-Orton-Campbell-Flynn who d’ya love thing … I prefer Orton or that not so fearsome foursome
not too many Mannings or Favres or Bradys or Rodgerses or Breeses to be had on a first run limited print edition
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He has said he’s ready to go and I’m assuming he’ll have good arm strength. Obvioudly not AS great, but when i say Manning over all 4 i mean with him having a good arm.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 4, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel's "greatness" under Weis was with very strict restrictions on what he could do.
“Program” passes. Taught him to get it out QUICKLY to the point of his being unable to really USE a couple extra seconds, or even LOOK for those extra seconds. This really showed against 3- and 4-man pass rush that he SHOULD have been able to outmaneuver and out-wait (until the coverage showed cracks), but he clearly wasn’t encouraged to do that. It was more about get the surest-thing pass you can before you get killed, and before you can even see it.
It was a way for Weis to generate some added victories for the way the team was constructed, but it wasn’t asking for complete game from QB, imo. This was glaringly obvious (at least seemed that way to me) when they faced the Ravens, and were totall unable to exploit the openings they DID give. Make you throw that 10-yard out on a rope, but forget about anything else. Bowe’s a monster on those throws, but it takes a QB and a scheme flexible enough to just TAKE that stuff, until the enemy adjusts to stop it.
would of ≠ would've
Weis was already 'gone' before the game vs the Ravens.
Cassel is a good QB.
Cassel ‘could’ be a great QB (Pey-Pey took what???8 Years before he went to a SB?)
Orton is like Cassel…cept different. I would be happy if either of them start this year. What I do NOT want to see happen….Trade the farm for Luck / RGIII.
If we sign Pey-Pey…fine.
If we sing Flynn…Not going to compain about a QB that played one full game for the Packers and not only outplayed Rodgers, but did better in that one game than Farve ever did too.
If we sign Campbell…meh, not great but alright.
If we sing Vince Young…now there is a winning QB. Give that guy this team and think he will make great things happen. I would be more excited about Young than I would about Manning…I know, I know, I am crazy…but there is more tread left of the ‘Young’ tires than there is on Mannings.
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