What To Make Of The Chiefs Quarterback Competition That's Coming
by Joel Thorman on Feb 3, 2012 2:51 PM CST
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PrintThe Kansas City Star interviewed a couple members of the Kansas City Chiefs brass in head coach Romeo Crennel and GM Scott Pioli and the headline of the story says it all: "Chiefs narrow coordinator search, want QB competition."
We already talked about the latest offensive coordinator updates so let's move onto the comments from Crennel and Pioli on the quarterback competition.
Read the KC Star story by Randy Covitz and you see quotes from both guys saying they want quarterback competition and they've always believed in competition, even at quarterback.
A little exciting, no? A couple thoughts on the idea of adding quarterback competition...
My first reaction is to look at the quarterback depth chart last season -- Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko and Ricky Stanzi -- because Pioli said adding competition has been part of their philosophy since he got here. To me, that depth chart doesn't scream legitimate competition behind Cassel considering how the season went down. And even the season before you had Brodie Croyle, who still hasn't won an NFL game. Maybe it was just a miscalculation on their part, though, and not an indictment on their philosophy, but it certainly doesn't seem like the Chiefs have applied this competition-is-good philosophy to the quarterback position. Perhaps they're just becoming more focused about it this year.
My second reaction is to look back at previous public comments from Pioli on the quarterback situation. I've never really gotten the feeling the Chiefs were considering moving away from Cassel. The Chiefs have never really wavered on whether Cassel is the future. So these latest comments from Pioli and Crennel in the KC Star are hard for me to wrap my head around because the idea that Cassel isn't the firm starter in KC is something we've never really heard from the Chiefs.
My third reaction is that, while the Chiefs may bring in competition, what are the chances they find someone better than Cassel? (Hint: Not very good.) Take a look at what Pioli said about Cassel this week in an interview on SiriusXM NFL Radio:
"I think a more fair assessment of Matt as a player is to go back to 2010," Pioli said. "You have to pay attention to what happened in 2011. For a lot of reasons, not just with Matt -- we lost one of the best running backs in the league and one of the better tight ends in the league -- a lot of things were different. And with that happening, not just Matt, the entire offense struggled early on, and then even in the middle of the season. We never got into a groove for whatever the reasons were. Going back, when we had a good, strong offseason, we had an organization where everything was known and you go back to the 2010 season and those numbers don't lie, nor does his performance. A guy who threw 27 touchdowns, had 7 interceptions, went to the Pro Bowl, helped guide the team to the playoffs, win the division. That's more of what we're looking for and hoping for and that's what Matt's hoping for as well. It'll be an interesting year to see how Matt comes around and stays healthy."
So, what I see here, is that any quarterback the Chiefs try to acquire, they're going to be comparing him to 2010 Matt Cassel because they feel that's the real Cassel. My issue with that assessment is that, through four years as a starting quarterback, Cassel has had two good seasons and two bad seasons. So maybe Cassel turns in another 2010-like performance. Or maybe he plays like he did last year (before getting injured) with a nearly 1:1 touchdown to interception ratio. Or maybe he wins 10 games like he did in New England. Or maybe he plays like he did in the 2009 season.
We just don't know which one we'll get. But the Chiefs appear to be confident that the 2010 Cassel will return, even if it means some extra competition to get him there. I really, truly hope they're right.
So the real question here, since it seems the Chiefs will add someone at quarterback, is whether we'll have a competition that Cassel could potentially lose (like Cassel vs. Orton) or a competition in which Cassel is destined to win (like Cassel vs. every other quarterback the Chiefs have had in the Cassel era).
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Oh goodness
Sounds like Pioli’s idea of adding a QB is someone who can battle but ultimately lose to Cassel.
Pioli is bound and determined to MAKE Cassel a successful NFL QB. This is the pride that will get your fat bald ass fired!
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 3, 2012 2:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
of course he is
Pioli is bound and determined to MAKE Cassel a successful NFL QB.
That’s his job. He’ll do exactly the same with every other QB that comes through until that guy is found.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Which is fine...
QBs need time to develop. But you can’t coach up natural mechanics and ball skills in 3, 4, 5 years. However long its been. You either have it or you don’t. Cassel just does not pass the eye-test in that regard. Mentally, he’s got everything you want out of a championship QB.. hard worker, same guy every day. But the other stuff ,man… It’s like trying to coach up a running-back’s vision. You can’t do it. Ya either got it or you don’t.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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He does not pass the eye test?
I’m sorry, but are you a quarterback optometrist? Because this year I saw an O line that got Cassel murdered every other play, I’ve seen that Cassel has had multiple head coaches and offensive coordinators over his career (mostly with the Chiefs) and the receivers he has currently don’t have any chemistry with him because of the offseason. Give this team 1 chance to play, with all the pieces intact. Then we can evaluate Cassel.
by TonyMatthias on Feb 4, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Well, we'll see what he thinks
I was just giving my opinions on it all. Maybe they re-sign Orton? Who knows?
we''ll see what he thinks
They should have inserted Stanzi when they found out Palko disn,t have it. They should have inserted Stanzi to se what they have in him. Otherwise it’s just another wasted pick by KC,
again
Pioli will not let his career in KC be defined by Matt Cassel. Being aggressive with our QB situation means something more.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't get
the people who think Pioli is so wrapped up in Cassel that he’d jeopardize his career just to try and prove some stupid point.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
but it's possible that Pioli really, truly, honestly thinks Cassel is "a good QB"
which is just wrong by definition
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
or
Pioli just isn’t the guy that will come out and bash his players.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
How dare he not do that.
Why every GM should be bashing their players. That’s the way to run a buidness!!!
WE PAY THEIR SALARIES WE DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Hospitals in heaven have more patience than Chiefs fans.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, cause 42 years between championships
is like nothing
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
No, you buy their product
If you drive a Ford does that entitle you to preview their R&D meeting agendas?
Keep on matrickl ... Keep on matrincl ... Keep on matripl ... GO CHIEFS!
by Halfbreed on Feb 3, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
depends
did my tax money go towards partial purchase of their shiny new facility? are they getting tax breaks for operating their business in my community? do they have special exemptions as a business that are not granted to other businesses?
it’s not quite that simple when you’re talking about a monopoly such as the NFL
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You question the politics and politicians who brought that about then, not the G.M.
For those few here that it pertains to.
Keep on matrickl ... Keep on matrincl ... Keep on matripl ... GO CHIEFS!
by Halfbreed on Feb 3, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They’re a private business. There is no constraint on them to reveal anything to us, because there’s no constraint on us to buy their stuff.
Have I mentioned before that I literally LIVE in sarcasm font?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
now hold on
i want to see Cassel without Haley
by chieftimbob on Feb 3, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Hard to go through your progressions if your coach keeps drilling it in your head to dump it off or just throw it away if your first guy isn’t open. Without Kurt Warner handling the ball Haley never had enough confidence to let his B go out and play.
Funny how Pioli can use all the same excuses that Haley was not allowed to make. We had a with no running game, missing his go-to TE, and a RT that was determined to get him killed. Plus, there was never a pocket to step UP into that so many other QBs can take for granted.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 3, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Good one. Wait, you don't really believe this right?
if your coach keeps drilling it in your head to dump it off or just throw it away if your first guy isn’t open.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Haley was all about ball control. Yes, he'd rather go 3 and out than risk and INT.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 3, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
And the origin of the risk came from who?
Our QB.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Nice to hear someone defending Haley.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 3, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
I just don’t get
the people who thinkPioliHaley is so wrapped up inCasselPalko that he’d jeopardize his career just to try and prove some stupid point.
Me neither, but it happened.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Touche.
But then, Haley is nuts, so that doesn’t count.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Lol
I actually agree with you, but I couldn’t resist pointing out how nutty that Haley cat was. Pioli is smarter than that and will do whatever he can to address and improve the QB situation. He probably has a number of concerns with Cassel’s overall performance, but I also think he’s not as harsh as the overall AP trend is. For as bad as Cassel is at times, he’s a mid-level QB in this league. Not elite, not horrible, but average. Pioli will find improvement, even if only marginal, if it’s available. But he’s not gonna dump Cassel without a clear better option to replace him.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
ever wonder
maybe Haley wanted out so bad that he sabatoged his career by sticking w/ Palko?
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by Salina_Chiefs_Fan on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking
that he was told he was out at the end of the season. And he felt so betrayed, he thought, “Screw this, I’m burning all my bridges here.” (or something like that) and that’s why he stuck with Palko and ran the offense into the ground.
"Nah. Basket weaving was too hard, so I changed to journalism." - Joe Namath, in response to a jibe about whether he had majored in basket weaving.
We'll know during training camp if Pioli is an idiot or not.
If we go into the preseason games with Cassel the #1 option, then it can’t be argued that he’s just some boob who lucked into a GM job because an NFL owner knows more about futbol than football.
2011 Cassel = 2010 Cassel. Unfortunately 2010 Cassel played weak ass defenses all year.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
agree, stag ... but even then there's a point at which not even those two can help
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I thought the QB is suppose to make the team as a whole better though
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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Yep
I think that’s a big part of it. Or at least I hope it is. Get those guys healthy and maybe Cassel puts in a good season.
That’s the thing, though. Cassel’s the same guy. He’s apparently being judged on whether the team wins or loses and not on the way he actually plays. He’s had the same accuracy/pants shitting problem for two and a half years in KC. Blame it on the line, injuries, whatever, but I don’t think it’s any coincidence that that the line happened to look better when Orton arrived.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Feb 3, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If former DT Pioli can't evaluate QBs himself, he has guys around him who can.
He’s paying them, so I’m hoping he listens to them.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Mistakes happen all the time in the NFL to guys who know what they’re doing.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Feb 3, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This^. This right here^. This ^. This ^. This ^.
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by chief Stevie_k on Feb 3, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Crennel and the OC should compare any new QB to the Cassel that shows up in practice.
Not 2010 Cassel, or 2011 Cassel. Just the Cassel that’s right here right now. I think Crennel has the right mindset to do that.
And, Cassel had 11 wins in 2008. He did beat us in that bonecrusher game.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Another thing to consider is that Pioli, I think, is embarrassed about last year.
At the very least, he has to know that he’s only got a few years to really leave a lasting impact in the league in his own name. This is the most open they’ve been about this issue since Cassel came to KC, so that they’re talking about it is something.
Furthermore, you can scout your own players as much as you can scout college players. If they think Cassel’s fundamentals are that poor, then they will replace him if need be.
by bossmanham on Feb 3, 2012 3:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The Exciting Chiefs QB Off-season Tryouts...
Jeff George, Charlie Frye, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Palko, and (for the sake of generating news) Kyle Orton.
Obviously, Charlie Frye will win.
jeff george
Whitlock might actually have a heart attack
by LHO on Feb 3, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
"Whitlock might actually have a heart attack"
is that really a bad thing?
hey now, be nice!
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I know
I just probably karma’d myself to an early grave :(
ha!
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ah but if whitlock has a heart attack
wouldn’t it be worth it
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Pioli and Crennell are saying what the fans want to hear.
I’ll bet if you asked Pioli, he’d say that there was competition last year. Ughhh.
Sounds to me like the Chiefs new PR guy is hard at work
Cliche or not, this is the Show Me state. I’m going to wait and see, but I don’t have a lot of hope…
I have the same concerns. Every quote that Pioli makes, it seems like we have Cassel
and then “the other QB’s.” Even in 2010, Pioli, what happened in the Oakland and Baltimore ganes at the end of the year?
If there are no big names brought for competition, like Orton, Manning, or Jason Campbell
I can see the Chiefs bringing in a guy like Chad Henne. I don’t exactly agree with it, but I think it’s smart, if the Chiefs are looking for good competition. If Cassel get’s benched, Henne is capable of carrying them with the weapons we have. I wou7ld hate if this happened, but it is a smart move IF they want Cassel to be the 2010 Cassel. Because then he will at least know that he may be benched at any time. If Cassel plays how he did in 2010, plus he will most likely have added weapons, I’ll be satisfied. But I think the Best of Cassel is far behind him.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
It would definitely be a bit of a let down, to be sure.
But, from what I saw last year, I think either of the Miami quarterbacks (Henne or Moore) could be better than Cassel for us.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
However. I do think Pioli would be definitely interested in Henne ...
because of all the Dolphin connections: his Big Daddy drafted him; Sparano coached him; Daboll was his OC, ect. Henne just looks the part of being the type of QB Pioli likes. (shrug)
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 3, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Oops ... and another one of my patented Certified California Airhead reply failures.
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 3, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I'm not saying I see Henne as a franchise QB or anything.
Just that he might have a slightly higher ceiling than Cassel.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
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Ahhh, yes Mr. Henne.
Is another guy I wonder a bit about. Is this guy improvable/salvageable with a different team? With a different QB coach? Different OC? Different HC? A different Offense? Better OL? Different receivers? Would a change of scenery change this guy? I kind of doubt it … since Matt Moore came in and did a better job than Henne with exactly the same offense and OL.
I think Henne is another career backup at best. Heh … there’s just not enough difference between Matty Nice and Henne for us to gain anything. Both have proven their max potential to be backup OB’s after Cassel’s 7 seasons of erratic inconsistency , and Henne’s 3 strait seasons of being THE starter, and showing no growth nor improvement either. Jason Campbell would interest me more, along with KO, for Matty’s “competition.” But KO would kick Matty’s ass fair and square. ;=)
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 3, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
well said, Mr Thorman ... it worries me that Cassel might end up being his own competition
at this point I’d just as soon see Brodie Croyle brought back, certainly a better option than Palko if that’s what we’re looking at for 2012
one has to be at least a bit concerned when you consider this …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyFzIG6E14U&feature=related
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Yes, we know.
I’d just as soon see Brodie Croyle brought back
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
You know which QB has won more NFL games that Brodie Croyle?
Tyler Palko.
by cheapham on Feb 3, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for truth.
We need to be moving forward, not backward.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
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oh snap, I knew someone would bring that up ...
thank goodness for the crisp, tight hail mary that was deflected to a RB lying on the ground … every QB should learn how to throw like that, right?
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Just win, maybe.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
No lie, but that play was executed just like it is drawn up.
DB is taught to bat down the ball, our guy is taught to be there when he does. Text book throw, bat down, catch, TD, hail mary.
don't MAKE me look up stats!
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0-10
Damn, you’d think a Hail Mary would’ve happened SOMEtime in ten games. I guess Mary must’ve been busy those days.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
haha!
actually I was thinking completion rate, etc …
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize our defense was holding any teams to 3 points when Brodie Croyle played.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 3, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
You're right. He's good. I'm sure he'll find a job and prove it any day now.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Feb 3, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm...
Have I mentioned before that I literally LIVE in sarcasm font?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
You catch on fast.
Now try to figure out what I really meant by that.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Thanks DC
I am tired of hearing that this play was only luck. It is a play that is scripted and practiced. It is not a high percentage play, but it was not sand lot either.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Yup, there's a reason you send the shortest receiving target into the fray with all those trees around on that play
And that’s to do exactly what he did.
Not something you want to count on every day, but it’s one that can be pulled off.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
with less than half as many games
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Feb 3, 2012 3:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Here we go again with the Croyle bidness.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Pioli is probably thinking
Orton has only been here a few weeks and he moves the ball up and down the field. Why the hell Matt can’t do that. I guess I need to start holding him accountable like everyone else. The first test will be who is the first QB to pick up a candy wrapper I put in their locker.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
The first test will be who is the first QB to pick up a candy wrapper I put in their locker.
Does this mean we’re signing Jamarcus Russell? Because I guarantee he’d pick the candy wrapper up right away (and proceed to cry after realizing there was no candy in it).
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Hopefully they mean it and bring in legit competetion for Cassel.
Or, ideally, someone good enough to outright take the job (coughPeytonManningcough).
I’d love for that player to be a first or second round rookie QB, though. It doesn’t even need to Luck (like there’s any chance of that happening) or RGIII. If they decide they like someone like a Tannehill, Foles, Wilson, Cousins, etc. I’d be fine with that.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
How funny would it be if they brought in Manning and then Cassel "won" the job?
Every sports sites front page would read:
WTF?
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
so, who wants a foot of snow?
got more than plenty here and I feel like “sharing”
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It was 70 degrees here in Atlanta yesterday
Don’t know which is better
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
thanks
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Its on its way to me (Omaha)
Personally I wish you would have kept more of it…
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 3, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Will you accept this gawdawful sunny and 70 degrees in Southern California in exchange?
On second thought, you need to give me the foot of snow and a case of Great Divide Yeti to seal the deal.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
I'm not interested
in Derek Anderson vs. Brady Quinn 2.0
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 3, 2012 3:11 PM CST reply actions
I'm still confused by Brady Quinn
His college numbers gave every indication he’d be a decent NFL QB (sorta like Clausen). He still only has 12 starts. I haven’t watched much of him but it seems strange. Only 12 career starts?
I'm the same way...
It would be very interesting if Quinn is the QB competition we bring in.
Joel
I’ve always been one in the minority here thinking Quinn still has a chance to salvage his career. I wanted him when Peterson was here, wanted him when Weis was here, and wanted him when it looked like McDaniels could be coming..
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Weiss had them both using an NFL playbook
but when they got to the NFL they either haven’t put in the work, or no one is really giving them a chance to turn the rest of that corner
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Speaking of Clausen
Let’s bring him in. Couldn’t hurt. And the Panthers clearly don’t need him.
by independent739 on Feb 3, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Very simple Joel
He was ruined by Romeo Crennel. Make you feel good about the future?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
or maybe by Daboll?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Oh he helped. There is no denying it.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
No man will every replace that dreamy hobo Haley for you, eh Aiken?
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
It wasn't Haley specifically
rather it was the idea of a first time HC who had no baggage and beautiful it would be for that story to have a happy ending. It’s not to be. Anybody with previous experience will have to prove they can get it done. Somebody without that experience could be the subject of much kool-aid. Baggage is bad juju for kool-aid.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Teams with QB competitions rarely go to the playoffs
So either get rid of Cassel or don’t sign Orton.
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 3, 2012 3:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Teams with QB competitions that last into the season rarely go to the playoffs.
The important thing is to be consistent. If Orton wins the starting job, then he’s the starter and Cassel’s the backup. You can’t go benching one for the other every time one of them has a bad game (like with Anderson vs. Quinn). That’s when teams fall apart.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
It tends not to work like that
Can you really think of a QB battle between two somewhat equal QB’s where both qb’s didn’t start during the season? I can’t.
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 3, 2012 5:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When it does, it's almost always a battle between a rookie and a vet.
I.e. Joe Flacco beating out Troy Smith or Sam Bradford beating out A.J. Feeley. I feel like the 49ers maybe stuck with Shaun Hill a few years ago over Alex Smith. But then they went back to swapping on and off the next season.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
a first rounder getting the starting job
Isn’t really a qb battle to me.
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's difficult to understand why Pioli couldn't at least say that we want to get Orton to come back
and THERE WOULD BE FAIR, OPEN COMPETITION for the QB position. Why won’t he even say it? …………probably because that’s not what he wants.
So what does he want then?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
He already did.
Are you saying he’s going to get himself fired, just to try and justify Cassel’s contract?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Not sure that a GM is looking at it quite like that
Big dollars for Cassell with a couple a years left right? No doubt Pioli is hoping to pushing him into achieving what they’d hoped for from the beginning. Besides, trading that big contract is going to be a problem.
We have experience with this. Gave $80 mil to JaMarcus Russell.
Cassel's contract was front loaded.
Just so they could part ways with him if necessary — right about now. The big money has already been paid.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Just a guess, of course
But if he can’t be traded, and if they have to pay even if they cut him, then they’re probably figuring they might as well get the most out of him.
Why would he just want Cassel?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
IOW, you're just guessing.
Because this is the first offseason he’s had any reason to replace him.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Think he even said they’d figure out what Orton was doing before they made any decisions on the position. That says, to me at least, that they’re very interested in bringing him back, regardless of how it affects Cassel.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Cassel has been terrible in the first 3-5 of every season he has been here
I think if he starts next season like that he will get benched
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Yep.
I don’t think Romeo will be as afraid to pull the trigger on underperforming players as Haley was. See also: Richardson and Palko.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Well
that will certainly get Romeo fired if he won’t play Pioli’s boy.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Was Palko also Pioli's boy?
And Richardson? And Thomas Jones?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
And who got fire?
Are you trying to make my point?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Are you really trying to argue that "playing the best player" will get you fired?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 3, 2012 4:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope and think the Chiefs have a shot at Manning.
If they don’t have a shot at Manning, the next guy on the list should be Matt Flynn but I’m pretty sure Pioli won’t go for another unproven QB and I don’t blame him. After Him, Jason Campbell. Campbell played very well and won a decent amount of games with the Raiders before he got hurt. Honestly, I’d be fine if we picked u[p Jason Campbell this off season. He has a good arm and with all the weapons on this team he could do well. After that, I mean there’s only Orton and Cassel. I hope its one of these guys i named here just not Cassel.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
Tired of these fucking re-treads, KC
Draft & develop a QB! Get a clue – look around the league! (And no this not an endorsement for Luck or RG3)
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 3, 2012 3:16 PM CST reply actions
Signed, not a Saints fan
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Hey, Brees happened once, so the same thing HAS to happen again, right?
If we wait about ten years and it doesn’t, then maybe we should consider changing strategies.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Signed, not a Favre fan
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Wasn't that a trade?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yeah, traded the 19th overall.
In 1992. Then Brees went to the Saints in 2006, so I guess I was being a bit hasty with my ten year thing, huh?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Franchise QBs are hard to come by.
You get them how you can.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Then we should be trying EVERYthing,
and the most likely course to succeed is a high draft pick.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
At the grocery store?
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You get them here
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Isn't that what they used to call BYU?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Isn't that called the fruit of Archie Mannings loins?
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 3, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Fruit of the loon?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Josh Looney?
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Stop joshing me.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Has Cassel not had a chance to develop?
What is Stanzi doing right now?
I think you just want an already developed QB to appear out of thin air. Thus, you must like the idea of Manning.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
It appears to me the "competition" will
be limited to quarterbacks of even lesser talent than Cassel as I expected. Lip service will be paid to trying to sway Orton to stay, but not really. After Orton came to KC it was readily apparent (to this fan at least) that Orton was going through his progressions, not staring down his recievers, and actually hitting his targets in the hands not two feet above their heads. The 2010 Cassel was lucky to guide the team to as successful a season as they had. True, Moeaki and Charles being out was a blow to the offense, but there were still plenty of weapons (whom Orton utilized to good effect). Cassel was not the answer this past season and will not be the answer for the coming season.
"The Hammer"
You may wash the hogs as much
as you wish, but Orton did a much better job of moving the offense. Anyone who says any different must not have watched the same games I watched.
"The Hammer"
seriously
Cassel was still garbage in 2010 he made the same mistakes he did in 2011 , 2010 chiefs were a product of bowe and charles and the oline run game and defense . Orton with half that did way better just imagine with everyone healthy? Or for that fact manning here .
by rickrock58 on Feb 3, 2012 3:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Draft Weeden (Okie St) or Tannehill (TAM) and let them take over...
…halfway thru the season when Cassel gets hurt. Hopefully we’ll still be in the hunt. And please stop all the Peyton Manning talk! I am tired of getting everybody else’s leftovers: Deberg, Montana, Bono, Gannon, Grbac, Green. DRAFT A FREAKIN’ QB and DEVELOP HIM!
...."I never said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
so, Jim ... how long does it take to develop a QB?
isn’t that what maybe they’re trying to do with Stanzi?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Oh, but craig in calgary should tell you
that Stanzi hasn’t had a full, normal pre-season to develop, like, you know, Tim Tebow, so let’s not get too worried about that.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
AngryKiitty said he was recoverying from an ankle injury he had in 2009
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
and Tim Tebow has developed ... how?
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Since 2001 it has taken an average of 5.82 years to develop a Superbowl winning QB.
If you pick a first rounder it only takes 5.50 years. Quite the time saver!
Of course, you have to find a SuperBowl winning QB to develop. Those odds are a lot longer.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Feb 3, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Ha! Nice statistics.
I count four SB winning QBs picked since 2001. Not exactly a huge sample size…..
Three in the first round, and one with the 32nd overall pick which happened to be in the second round because of a fluke.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Ricki Stanzi says hello
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Weeden is the same age as Cassel
so no on that
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Yeah and Weeden was 18-2 as a starter for OSU...
Cassel has gone 39-17 as a Chiefs starter. I’d take a shot. And no, I didn’t go to to Okie State, so I’m not a Cowpoke fan. I’m a fan of getting a better QB in KC….
...."I never said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
Cassel could go 18-2 playing QB in the Big 12
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Cassel couldn't go 18-2 playing Pop Warner....
...."I never said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
Sure he could
He is bigger than the Pop Warner kids and they don’t play defense in the Big 12
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Facts schmacts.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
I think to "develop" a QB, he has to get on the field, right?
How many games did Stanzi play in this year? Maybe Pioli just drafted him as a favor to Ferenz…??? Who knows, but it’s clear to me he’s not a long-term answer.
...."I never said most of the things I said." - Yogi Berra
Is that you, Todd?
it’s clear to me he’s not a long-term answer.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thank you for that Tarkus. Seriously though guys, all this “we have nobody decent to compete with Cassel” is crazy talk. Stanzi hasn’t had a shot! You gotta give the guy a shot before you pass judgment. If the measurables were the absolute bottom line on a QB’s ability to make a team better, then Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, and a bunch of other guys wouldn’t have had to wait until the later rounds or play their way out of the CFL to prove their worth. NFL experience is the only indicator of a QB’s ability to play in the NFL, and right now Stanzi has NONE. I’m all for bringing in another guy to add competition if the numbers make sense and whatnot, but I still want to see what Stanzi’s got. It would be great if we had a chance to throw him in when there wasn’t a ton of pressure. Oh wait, we had that chance when Cassel went down. This was one of the biggest disservices Haley did this team…sticking with Palko instead of giving Stanzi a shot. Hopefully Romeo won’t make that mistake.
Let's go boys!!!
by BigDaddyChief on Feb 3, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Here we go again...
Stanzi was drafted as a favor to Kirk Ferentz… and the other 43 Iowa players on NFL rosters were all favors, too, right?
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
That's a lot of Feriends.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
News of a QB competion makes me do a happy dance.
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by saskwatch on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I thought this was
an impersonation of Cassel under pressure.
by Brad-KC on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Scanning both sides of the field
going through his progressions?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Then making the throw
With that incredible footwork.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Or Thomas Jones because he couldn't make it to the hole in time
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
This should be green too!
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manning
Half dead arm still better than cassel
by rickrock58 on Feb 3, 2012 3:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I heard Manning's ambidextrious and double-necked-jointed.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
As usual
the usual suspects show up and argue the same tired argument. Obviously, Pioli disagrees with this ‘Matt Cassel sucks’ mentality. I tried to show you the way back in 2010. Matt Cassel is the KC Chiefs QB for the now and the future…at least as long as Scott Pioli is in the house.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
Sorry Aiken
I wish you well.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Insult accepted
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
So, Aiken Drum has insight into the mind of Scott Pioli
with regard to Matt Cassel and the QB position. If Scott Pioli is “in the house” for the next TWENTY YEARS a la Mr. Peterson, Matt Freaking Cassel will STILL BE the KC Chiefs QB, for now, then, and in the future.
I’m calling bullshit.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Now if I can just get all the Tebow lovers
to state how Timmy will be the Denver QB for the now and the future, and that John Elway won’t look for a QB to compete with him because he is such a lock for the HoF.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Aiken!
I agree with you to a point on this, but- BUT, do you not read a bit of hope in this new verbage coming from the brass about competitiveness in the Quarterbacks?
I am hopeful that Cassell was a Haley guy and not a Pioli guy.
A Dream I am sure, but it is a Friday.
No hope in this...
this was also the mantra of Haley-Pioli. Have you forgotten those discussions about competition being good for every position? I haven’t. This is more of the same from Pioli and Crennel is following suit as a good soldier should.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
I see hope---
I do remember the standard mantra of competition is good for the team etc. But I can not remember it being said about the quarterback position in a way that it is being said now.
Time will tell, but I am excited about the possibilities of a true Quarterback coming to this team.
Will you still be excited
when September rolls around and the QBs on the team are Matt Cassel and David Carr? Let’s see how this pans out.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
You going to wear a paper bag on your head?
When its all the “Pioli lackeys” on the field?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 3, 2012 4:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What does being aggressive at the QB situation mean to you Aiken?
What does Orton in KC mean to you?
Wait, wait, I get it. It all means Pioli and Cassel are tied up like two girlfriends in a convent.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Being aggressive at the QB situation?
I don’t know. Not sure what that means to begin with. Orton in KC? Again, context here would help.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
[with our]
at the
Not sure what that means to begin with.
Of course you know what it means. And I know how you feel about the situation. I believe we will improve the most important player on the field, and you don’t. That is all.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Cool
I don’t even have to post comments anymore…you already know how I feel.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley
True colors have finally showed through
You don’t care about the Chiefs, you don’t care about the fans, you only care about Todd Haley.
Some advice: If the “you’re a bad fan because you don’t blindly support” angle didn’t work for you, I guarantee the “I told you I knew what what I was talking about” angle won’t work either.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 3, 2012 3:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
And I wish you well.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
You might need to go back to the drawing board Aiken
Because everybody and their Mom throws for 400 yards now. So Matt Cassel is elite because the NFL passing game has become so insanely refined and developed that a guy like Matt Cassel (not an elite QB), or Matt Flynn (maybe elite, not big enough sample size), or Cam Newton (probably will be elite) can step in and throw for 400 yards. Sorry, not buying into that. Matt Cassel is not elite because, wait for it…he’s not elite! A guy should be judged on his performance on the field, period. And Cassel’s has not been good, even in 2010. Yes, the Chiefs have a sub-par offensive line. But Kyle Orton somehow made that exact same o-line look much better. Hmmm.
Let's go boys!!!
by BigDaddyChief on Feb 3, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Now that Cassell has had his confidence built up as much as possible by the be team
Its time to really start testing him. Bring in someone he knows is waiting ti start if he doesn’t play well. He’s never had that in his 3 seasons with the team, which again, was likely just a confidence-builder for him, which is important for a QB. I get it.
Next step: skill building by pressure to perform at the highest level.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 3, 2012 3:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Pressure bust pipes
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
and an "expert"
is two things:
“ex-” as is has been and
“spurt” as is drip under pressure
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Only weak pipes
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 3, 2012 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think were making a bigger deal out of it then we should
Havent they been saying his for years now or am I missing something?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
I think there is more focus on the QB situation now than in the past.
We shall see if it means anything.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Pioli is on record as saying
he would like to be in a position to draft a QB every year. The pitchfork and torch crowd thinks that’s crap, but I believe him. “Be in a position to” involves a lot of things, like shoring up other areas of need as well. But if Pioli continues to add a QB through the draft and/or free agency, it would not shock me. In fact, I expect it.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
We consistently heard that Croyle looked like the best QB in training camp each year.
It certainly didn’t translate to game day.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
He just couldn't take a hit
and he knew it. NFL > college.
Hopefully Cassel is competing with Palko....for QB 3
Orton, Manning, Stanzi. Whoever is signed or wins the battle, I hope 2 of these 3 are our top 2 qbs in 2012. No thanks to Cassel. Keep the excuses…I don’t care about his stats or injuries. He is still the same qb with the same glaring flaws.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
I have been on and off the Cassel bandwagon. Clearly when given the tools he has been successful 2008 in NE and 2010 here. Let’s hope he can build off that. Will he ever be Peyton – no but then again even Peyton didn’t look so hot and got hurt when his OL declined. If they really do open up the QB competition I would like to see Orton, Foles and Stanzi all get a shot. I believe they will as Pioli can see the end of his time here just around the corner if there isn’t some serious playoff penetration the next two years. Plus I really didn’t think he would 86 Haley because a) he got the players unified; b) he lead us to 10-6, division champ & playoff in 2 years from our worst ever 2-14 and c) it would mean he had to admit failure in his 1st HC hire. So if he is willing to do that then I think that he isn’t as tied to Cassel either. We will see by the “competition” that is brought in.
If Pioli doesn't bring in serious competition
and uses the Chiefs record in 2010 instead of assessing Matt’s mechanics and decision making on the field, he can go to hell in my book.
blah
You people bring up stats out of your arse to prove your point but give peeps shit when they do the same thing. Cassel had a bad year on a badly injured football team. But yet its Cassel fault, healthy team we are in the playoffs with matt cassel at QB.
if they don't bring in a decent qb to compete with Cassell, i'll start rooting for the cowboys
I was raised to despise the cowboys
MIZ-DGB
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Feb 3, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
i find it hard to see making the playoffs and getting belted in the first round as being a huge success. that was a clear indication that the chiefs had work to do, particularly at the qb position. it wasnt the winning formula, it was something not too far away from the winning formula for the franchise. i want to some day soon see the team playing in february not just january. unfortunately persisting with players of the ability of cassel (pischitelli? are you serious?) does not seem to indicate that this will be terribly soon.
by wrecklesseric on Feb 3, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
ha
Your forgetting what a defense and number 1 rushing attack did for casseel and a weak schedule. He still looked bad in 2010 in everything he did in 2011.he was exposed this year and had a chance to show it wasn’t everything around him but him that led us to the playoffs. Orton in 3 games moved the team found open guys made the pass protection look good just imagine him with all the weapons a improved oline the rushing attack back and a top ten defense. If we add Peyton a fully healthy one that’s not fair lol even a half Peyton is better then Cassel
by rickrock58 on Feb 3, 2012 9:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hope It's not cassel and his noodle arm!
please no!!!
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 3, 2012 8:10 PM CST via Android app reply actions
this is the year. get a qb or suffer the consequences wasting the first year of their window of opportunity.
be aggressive chiefs….otherwise, id rather see stanzi than cassel this season. not even close really
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
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by SDChief on Feb 3, 2012 8:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Forget the stats!
Look at the on-field play. Cassel is jumpy in the pocket, does not go through his progressions most of the time, does not extend plays, does not have a strong arm (or even a decent one), and is not very accurate. He does have a lot of heart and a great attitude. But it that does not make up for his glaring deficiencies. People keep talking about our record in 2010. Well, we had a weak schedule, so lets be honest about that. And I think that speaks to the level of talent we have on this team that we were able to go 10-6 DESPITE Matt Cassel as our starting QB.
Let's go boys!!!
Of course Pioli has to defend his actions
and at the time the Cassel trade was a good one. However, even he has to admit that Cassel isn’t the franchise QB to lead this team to glory. Whatever happens to this team’s roster, this was a very public admission that changes at the QB position are needed. Love Pioli or hate him, he’s no dummy. I for one think he’s rather in tune with what the fans are thinking and saying. He’s a nasty hombre, but he’s building a better team. I hate to say it, but the Chiefs won’t have many QB options for 2012. But IMO, openly commenting that fresh QB blood is needed is a comment that puts Matt Cassel on notice. It’s about time.
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I think we're under selling Stanzi
I personally believe Orton want return competition will come from Ricky. I think Stanzi will out play Cassel but they’ll ride with Cassel to start the season only to move to Stanzi as long term option. Cassel just too far behind curve as starting QB to catch up. He’s to slow in his reads, lacks consistent accuracy, arm strength not goood, and doesn’t know how to manipulate coverages something that comes with playing position beyond just high school. I simply think 2010 is his ceiling and that guy aint coming back and if Pioli thinks that he’s being nieve. Ask Derek Anderson about his 2007 season Romeo can testify to how that was one yr wonder because wasn’t long after that season Anderson went back to being garbage and Romeo was canned.
If Pioli and Crennel really want a competition they'll resign Orton, and say may the best qb win.
When Orton earns the job, they restructure cassels’ contract, trade him or out right release him. With all the cap space we have, releasing him is not a problem.
Orton made the offense look decent in his 3 games, and was only sacked once. With a real OC, who knows how to call games, and getting Charles and Moeaki back will make the offense even better with him slinging the ball around.
by ChiefDailyBaked on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 PM CST reply actions
Stanzi hasn’t had a shot!
Seriously though guys, all this "we have nobody decent to compete with Cassel" is crazy talk. We gotta give Stanzi a shot before passing judgment. If the measurables were the absolute bottom line on a QB’s ability to make a team better, then Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, and a bunch of other guys wouldn’t have had to wait until the later rounds or play their way out of the CFL to prove their worth. NFL experience is the only indicator of a QB’s ability to play in the NFL, and right now Stanzi has NONE. I’m all for bringing in another guy to add competition if the numbers make sense and whatnot, but I still want to see what Stanzi’s got. I don’t know if he’s good, but nobody does. It would be great if we had a chance to throw him in when there wasn’t a ton of pressure. Oh wait, we had that chance when Cassel went down. This was one of the biggest disservices Haley did this team…sticking with Palko instead of giving Stanzi a shot. Hopefully Romeo won’t make that mistake.
Let's go boys!!!
He will have to earn it in training camp
You don’t just give him the keys and “hope” he does great.
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Time to take your diapers off pioli
And get a little dirty here..trade picks to the rams..fishers willing to do it and bring a franchise qb back to kc..cassel isn’t going anywhere past the wild card in the future
If you keep Cassel you might as well bring back Elvis Grabac!!
by NFL season ticket holder on Feb 3, 2012 11:36 PM CST reply actions
at least he could throw the ball more than 20 yards.
not that accurately, but more than 20 yards
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Bring back Brodie Croyle, Kyle Orton and Ricky Stanzi...cut Cassel and Palko and just move on.
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