McShay Picks a LB for KC
12. Kansas City Chiefs
Luke Kuechly*, ILB, Boston College
Bigger holes exist along the offensive line and at nose tackle, but Kuechly is clearly the best player on the board at this point. He would give new coach Romeo Crennel the kind of leadership and production Tedy Bruschi provided for the New England defenses Crennel coached in the early 2000s. Kuechly shows rare instincts and is a healthier version of current Cowboys standout Sean Lee.
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A pick like this, to me, is largely dependent upon what we do in Free Agency
If we’ve already made efforts to address the O-Line and the NT position, then this would be a dynamite pick. I was just perusing his Wikipedia page, and holy crap. 191 tackles last year? 16 per game? Wow.
Please no
What made Bruschi good wasn’t his “leadership” it was the steroids
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Wow
Steriods don’t put you in position to make the tackle or give you the words to motivate your teammates.
Luke would be a great fit. I agree with cheapham though… hopefully they can get a guy like Carl Nicks in FA.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Luke is a GREAT guy, very intelligent etc etc etc ... super high character and I'd be proud to have him as a Chief
but I don’t think he’s quite a “perfect fit” for us at SILB and that would mean he could be a backup for Siler and that would be a remarkable waste of a #12 pick
I’d love to see McShay’s entire mock … if you have the link
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
If we pick Luke top 12
Theres no way hes a backup, especially to a guy comin off an Achilles injury.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's the why we can't pick him.
That high of a pick is for immediate starters or developmentals at one of the primo positions (LT, QB, pass rusher, CB). Kuechly is neither of those.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
so you'd draft him and plug him in at a spot that he's not suited for?
and that’s the best use you can think of for a 1st round pick?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
No, then again i didnt say that it would be the bEst use of a first rounder
Hed be the best player wed have to play SILB, and at top 12 were forced to play him. Maybe he surprises? Shedding blocks is something that can be learned, and Kuechly can still add strength his development doesnt end just becaus hes entering the NFL.
Id rather draft DeCastro or Adams, but with the crazy picks Pioli makes sometimes Kuechly wouldnt surprise me.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Steroids make you have a stroke before the age of 35
Only pick that would be worse than Kuechly is Trent Richardson
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
So we get 10+ good years out of him before he keels over.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
he's not a SILB
So, I don’t see where he fits
by stagdsp on Feb 3, 2012 10:46 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Really? Didn't realize that.
What’s with ESPN’s supposed “Draft gurus” picking players that make no sense for the Chiefs’ defensive system? First Kiper with Devon Still, and now McShay with this. Pretty lame.
Those draft experts usually don't know much about team needs.
I respect them for their knowledge of all the hundreds of prospects, so it’s tough to come down on them for not being totally familiar with all 32 teams.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Fair enough
I guess that’s where we come in…the real “experts.” :)
yup
one can learn more on our Free Agent and Draft talk threads than anywhere else on the entire internet … we know our team better than anyone else on the planet
conversely, fans of (for example) the Packers know more about Finley than anyone else, and when the good folks at Acme Packing Company say he’s a selfish type who cares more about himself than the team I tend to believe them (major props to ChiefsSwagger for his great research!)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Why isn't he able to play SILB
He’s better at Pass Rush and Coverage than Belcher. And Has the Frame to Take Out the Swing Blocker / Fullback ….
Just because you can play WILB doesn’t mean you can’t play SILB…..
He might have the frame for it but he doesnt do it
He can’t shed blockers if his life depended on it and has instincts in the run d arent very good. He’ll make a much better WILB in a 3-4 or a 4-3 backer. Doesnt fit our need.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 3, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
That's funny
I remember people saying that DJ always went around blockers instead of facing them b/c he was horrible at shedding blockers.
He turned out okay.
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Not looking for OK
Looking for the right fit. Why waste a pick on a guy that doesn’t really fit the position when you can find that guy later in the draft, not to mention we already have two starters at the position. Not saying he isn’t a good player but just like DJ he isn’t ideal for that spot so by putting him there you’re losing out on what he does best which is run around free and clear and make plays.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 3, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Drew Brees
is too short to be a QB in the NFL.
I think it fits a position we need help in. I like Belcher, but Luke would be a huge upgrade in the position. I would be even more for the draft pick if we pick up some Olineman in FA.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
I couldnt disagree more
If we were talking about the 3rd or 4th round then maybe but you dont spend a first round pick on a position of minor need on a player that could be used better when you have two starting caliber players at that spot. You can find better suited players that would be more effective then Kuechly at playing SILB in the 2nd and 3rd round.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 3, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
like who?
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Hightower(although Im not a big fan) will drop
Burfict could drop because of his issues. Audie Cole even JM Johnson would be better value in the 4th. If you’re going to blow a first rounder on a a guy who can play SILB but that wouldn’t maximize his skills or value then you take Ingram who’s way more versatile long before you take Kuechly.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 3, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
wouldn't touch Burfict with a ten foot pole
or a twelve foot Romanian …
ok, maybe take a chance about 4th round, but that’s it!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
BTW
Everyday the idea of Ingram sounds better and better.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
The OLB?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
SILB
Sub package DT/Pass Rusher in place of Wallace. Would still see the field enough to justify the pick and although, like Kuechly, he’s not ideal for SILB he has so much value in sub packages that he’s still worth the pick. He’s a better block shedder then Kuechly, even steven in pass defense and has the explosiveness you want to see from a guy in that spot. Just thinking outside the box a bit but I know it’ll probably never happen.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I could maybe see him in Wallace's spot in the nickel.
He does have the size of a 4-3 DE. But can he stand up to the inside O line guys? And can he play in space well enough for SILB?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He can shed blocks, he's probably the most explosive front 7 player in the draft as well.
The guy is athletic enough to cover in space especially in zone coverage. I wouldn’t take him and groom him as an ILB if he didn’t offer anything else but considering how much of this game is now being played in nickel/dime/sub packages, I wouldn’t hate the idea.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Basically youre drafting an explosive, versatile player
And probably a top three BPA when we pick if he’s still there. Like Mayock said during senior bowl week, you have to have a plan for him before you take him.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
No way hes a SILb
You dream such crazy dreams, youre homerism doesnt help.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
I bet you haven't seen him play more then one game.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
just because he MIGHT be able to do it SOMEDAY is not even remotely close to a reason to waste a first round pick on the guy
he’s an absolutely top-notch high-character human and team leader, much like Eric Berry … and smart as all get-out, but he simply is NOT a first rounder for OUR team needs, not by a longshot
tell Scott he’d be FAR wiser with DeCastro and truly getting the OLine done once and for all
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
This
Bad pick.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Nah
Guy is a tackling machine. Upgrades the position. Brings leadership.
May not be the pick you want, but it’s not a bad pick.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
It's a physical thing. Berry's a tackling machine, but he's not a SILB.
I’m not gonna say Kuechly can’t be made into a SILB, but there’d be quite a bit of risk and some development time involved, so he’s definitely not an ideal first round pick.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
yep
Same argument as a couple years ago when people wanted DJ and DW to be the starting ILBs… even though they are both WILBs
It’s a different body type, a different style of play on the strong side. This kid will be good, but not at this position
by stagdsp on Feb 3, 2012 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Kuechly shows rare instincts and is a healthier version of current Cowboys standout Sean Lee."
Sean Lee, also a WILB. His skill set just fits that positiong so much better so no poiint wasting a high pick on someone like that.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
"Kuechly shows rare instincts"
He could figure out the SILB position. I rather just get a flat out football player that played WILB in college rahter than a guy that played SILB in college but doesn’t have that “it” factor.
I wasn’t a backstroker but my coach put me on the back in the medley for state b/c I knew how to sprint. Some people can just transfer over and still preform at a high level.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
it's professional football, not HS (or college) swimming
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
uhh
Kuechly in the 2nd, is that what you’re saying? NO way he drops out of the first. He is however top 15 talent….
Thats what they said about Rey Maualuga
There’s always someone that drops down the board.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 3, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
or not...
Rey Maualuga scouting report:
-only projects as a 2 down backer…
-misses alot of tackles
-on the ground alot
-does not have fluid hips
-off the field red flags
-surrounded by one of the best defenses in college football that covered alot of his mistakes..
That entire offseason the "pros" had him being the first USC backer off the board.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 3, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Kuechly isn't a great run defender, isn't physical enough and most of his tackle happened 5-10 yards downfield.
All these kids have knocks against them. I think he has a better chance of not dropping then burfict or hightower but you just never know.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 3, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't a good run defender?
532 Tackles and the Butkus Award winner is not a good run defender?
Are you kidding me?
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Demorrio Williams collected a lot of tackles.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Get back to me when you have something showing that he's a good ru defender
Because tackles and Butkus award doesn’t show that. Three of the last 4 winners prior to Kuechly have been duds in the NFL so far so that’s not really that convincing of an argument. I’m just going with what I saw with my eyes. He’s a marginal run defender, poor block shedder, good pass rusher, excellent tackler and very good dropping into coverage.
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Von miller won the Butkus
What a DUD!!!
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
So did Aaron Curry who everyone had a hardon for
Haven’t we learned that individual college awards don’t translate to the NFL? Where you at, Charlie Ward?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Oh i dont disagree
But not every college player who wins an award is a dud either, they have their own merits whether people agree or not.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I agree they have their own merits
But just as not every college player who wins an award is a dud, using an individual award as argument that a guy can play run defense isn’t exactly logical either.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Perfect 4-3 MLB
Would do very well in a Tampa 2.
He doesn’t fit our system, thats not a knock on him, just the way things are. He’ll go onto be a very good player, just not for us
This
Wouldn’t be surprised to see him in philly if theyre smart enough to actually address that defense this year.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I don't like the pick.
The film is less than impressive. And he played in the Big East. Not the best of football competition.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1031882-luke-kuechly-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report
by TheFifthDimension29 on Feb 3, 2012 1:25 PM CST reply actions
I dont see it
Granted I believe Kuehly is a great prospect with the ability to succeed anywhere you put him, I just think well bring Belcher back whos a RFA. Weve shown that if we tag guys we dont usually address the position, see: R
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
See: Richardson
And I mean eventually succeed
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I agree he very well could/would eventually succeed somewhere on the field, even for the Chiefs
but our highest need(s) right now don’t even remotely make taking him in the first round (which is where he’ll go)
the only thing I can remotely think of is if he was faster and could MAYBE play Safety, but even then … nah, just not where our priority and focus needs to be in that first round
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
SILB is one of our higher needs, at least to me
If we have bad line play Belcher is dreadful, And Siler is a complete unknown, and even with the Chargers wasnt great.
And at 240 how you can fathom him a safety i dont know. What do you think hes like 220 or something lol.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather take Hightower
If we are forced to take a LB this early I’d rather have Hightower for SILB or any of the OLB prospects instead of Kuechly at 12. I think Kuechly will be great, but he’s more of a WILB and not exactly what we need in the 1st round. Hightower would blow it up but would be a reach at 12 and I know we hope our OLB position is secured but if we’re picking a LB just for the sake of it at least provide depth/competition at a premier position.
Neither McShay or Kiper’s picks make any sense based on team needs and system.
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