The Latest On Peyton Manning Getting Medically Cleared
by Joel Thorman on Feb 3, 2012 8:01 AM CST
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During Super Bowl week the NFL usually likes all the focus and attention to be on the two teams playing, the host city or anything related to the Super Bowl. They probably don't want fans talking about 35-year old dude's neck but that 35-year old dude used to throw a football pretty dang well so continue to track the latest on Peyton Manning.
The Indianapolis Colts quarterback has reportedly been medically cleared to play. This report comes via ESPN's Chris Mortensen. It's a little confusing but this isn't totally news. At least not to the extent ESPN is blowing it up.
For example, from Mort's report:
"The sources said Watkins examined Manning recently in Los Angeles and concluded the stability in his neck would have allowed the quarterback to play this Sunday if the nerves in his arm had regenerated to a satisfactory performance level."
He could play but only be effective IF the nerves had regenerated. And we have no clue about the nerves. He can take a hit, but may not be able to throw. Not exactly the same as he's gonna suit up tomorrow and not exactly useful unless Manning is switching positions. The regeneration of the nerves (look at me, I'm a doctor!) is what we've been talking about for a while now. There's no update on that.
I like the way SB Nation blogger and Around The Horn contributor Bomani Jones put it last night:
Peyton Manning is medically cleared to play football. He just can't throw. Such a revelation means as much as finding out that I'm medically cleared to play football. For the record, I can't throw, either.
And I can't throw either. So this isn't totally news despite what ESPN is telling you on their 85 different platforms. And the fact that this "news" is blasted on ESPN three days before the Super Bowl makes me think there are other motives at play here.
Jim Irsay, the Colts owner, has clarified that he hasn't passed the Colts physical and he's not cleared to play by them. It seems Irsay in recent weeks has been trying to frame this as a medical decision, and not a financial decision, to ease Manning's exit with the fans. Thus, Irsay doesn't really need Manning to be healthy. (That's my theory at least.)
So maybe Irsay was right: Peyton Manning the Politician.
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Go get him!
Who’s saying he can’t throw? He’s already been throwing to Joseph Addai among others, according to what I’ve read.
Go get him…he gives us the best chance to get to a SB in the next 2-3 years.
Ya I thought I read that from Addai too
That Peyton has been throwing since the end of last season and it’ clearly getting better and better. he’s obviously not there yet but I would be suprised if he isn’t ready by seasons start.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
there was talk about him playing the alst 2 games of the season...so I agree, saying he can't throw is rubbish.
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His brother Eli
was quoted in another interview that Payton was still working on his throwing, trying to get some zip back on it.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
I'd Be Skeptical
The same crap came out about Carson Palmer every year after he blew out his elbow in 2008 and wouldn’t get surgery. “Oh, he’s getting so much better”, “Oh, he’s throwing rockets”, “Oh, his accuracy is so much better”…then it would get to the games and Palmer would still have the same problems with velocity and accuracy that he did the year before.
I’m not saying that Manning isn’t healthy, just that you have to take reports from fellow players with a large grain of salt.
And playing devils advocate
My understanding is that there have been over 20 (can’t remember the exact number) of current NFL players having had the same procedure.
Not doing Tommy John surgery like Palmer and having surgery like Pey-Pey are two different things. Now whether he’ll be at the same level of play….well, if he’s at 75% of the old Manning, he still a starter in the NFL.
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At the same time how many of those players were quarterbacks who needed to grip a ball? I’m not sure how much of the surgery itself has to do with the nerve damage, but a quarterback having nerve damage in his arm is quite a bit different than a lineman.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
And at the same time, there were a lot of guys that were LB's and such that were getting/making huge hits
…without fear of further damage.
Those guys use their hands to grip moving players in order to make a tackle.
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Very good point
but also the nerve affects his abilities to lift weights, if I’m not mistaken. This would cause issues with anyone that has the surgery…potentially. I don’t care what position you play, you still need to regain strength and that can’t be done without the weight room.
All that said, this is a person-by-person basis and maybe Peyton’s nerves just aren’t as quick to heal as other guys’…who knows?
In accordance with the prophecy
Nobody Knows For Sure
It’s different for every player. I suspect that Manning will be healthy enough to play…what we don’t know is how healthy will that be? Will he be 100% of the Peyton Manning we’ve seen? 80%? 60%?
All I was saying is that it’s best to be skeptical with anecdotal reports about the health of a player from other players…especially players who are friends. Joseph Addai is never going to tell the press “Yeah, Manning is physically not able to perform anymore”. Manning was the only reason Addai got re-signed…he basically told the Colts he’d be unhappy if Addai wasn’t there, even though Addai wasn’t producing nearly well enough to justify being brought back.
At what percentage would you be willing to snag him?
Honestly, I’d take him at 75%
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 3, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And that is better than half of the starters out there
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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I'd Be Okay With 75%
But then since ability doesn’t break down into neat percentages like that, I guess we’ll have to just wait and see how it all breaks out. I’d be happy if the Chiefs landed Manning I guess, as long as he proves on the field to be an upgrade on Cassel. But I also want them to draft a QB this year, because Manning isn’t going to be around much longer even if he’s healthy now.
Link by any chance?
Not that I disbelieve you, I’d just like to see it
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Case closed.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7377266/joseph-addai-indianapolis-colts-says-peyton-manning-short-throws-were-game-ready
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I don't think so, here's a report that says:
There are times where he has tingling, has the wrong sensations, he can’t grip the ball, throw the ball with velocity. There is no consistency there."
You’re report is from Dec. This one is from Feb. The truth is probably in the middle somewhere.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/02/the-wait-for-colts-is-on-mannings-arm/
I'd be interested to know who thsoe "inside the Colts" stated that to La Canfora
I have inside sources that have stated the exact opposite
’Course they are the vendors at the stadium ;)
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Well, at this point if it's a source from the Colts, 98% confident it's Irsay
That dude makes Mark Cuban look like a quiet, conservative owner.
The direct quote from the source
Didn’t involve that statement. Check out the placement of the quotation marks.
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I agree somewhere in the middle or both.
He can physically throw a ball to his running back. Hey I could probably do that to… The tingling and not being able to grip the ball properly is what is limiting the deep pass referenced in the Dec. article. So this tingling sensation could be a process of the nerves regenerating the pathways… or not. Only time will tell if he can throw the deep passes.
Go Chiefs!!!!
While that may have some weight
I place a lot more weight on the direct quote of a player than Jason La Canfora…
Also, look at the placement of the quotation marks… The “inside sources” said
‘We’re not going to respond to the report, because we don’t see any news in it.’
Then in his OWN quotes La Cantora was quoted as saying, without quoting a source of his own…
There are times where he has tingling, has the wrong sensations, he can’t grip the ball, throw the ball with velocity. There is no consistency there."
That’s an awfuly lot of stretching for me. La Canfora, not even directly quoting an “inside source?”
The quotation placement almost makes it seem like it was intentionally done to mislead readers into believing it was an inside source that said that, rather than La Canfora…
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Thanks
Interesting to see
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Nerve regeneration
A little perspective here from a retired physician: Nerves are the slowest tissue in the body to be able to regenerate in most mammals, especially humans. Regeneration of nerves naturally falls somewhere between “never” and “long time”. It can be speeded up a little by various stimulation methods and attempted use.
There are some new substances that basic researchers have discovered that will greatly speed the process, but they are in basic research and some clinical trials and are probably years away, even if they prove effective. Manning is 37.
IMO, it would be utter insanity to sign him for any team who is expecting him to perform as more than a shell of his former self. It would likely be money out the window with the exception of his QB coaching ability and knowledge, which could be tremendous, if he has a promising prospect to coach. Just my two cents.
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Bilyous would the stem cell treatment
someone mentioned, speed up that process.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
I've said this all along and I'll say it again...
The relationship between Irsay and Manning is irreparable. Irsay would’ve been better not tweeting anything.
Manning will play, but not for the Colts unless something happens to Luck before 3/8.
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Manning
Hell lets go sign Jeff Saturday,ang Reggie Wayne also.what a trio that would be.Pioli knows best,we will sit back and see.
No to Saturday
Signing Saturday would be like bringing Wiegs back.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I would LOVE to have Manning
BUT, you have to consider, KC plays outside in lots of different weather. KC is not exactly a media hub. KC has had some not so flattering news/rumors come out recently. KC still doesn’t have a full offensive staff.
Question is….Does Peyton WANT to come and play in KC.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 3, 2012 8:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Chiefs have
Enough cap room to offer him a lot of money.
Weak Division
Team full of talent/weapons
The only better situation I see for him would be on the 49ers. Except I don’t know how much they have to spend.
Agreed that it is a QB friendly situation
BUT Peyton wants an inside/outside zone run game…with a SINGLE BACK SET. McClain would have to be sent packing for this to happen. I honestly think KC is the team closest to a title, with a GREAT QB. Washington is not one bit closer if they have Manning at QB. Miami could be dangerous though. But, KC vs Miami should be a no-brainer; AFC West vs AFC East, who would you rather play twice Jets/Pats/Bills or Denver/Oakland/San Diego? I’d take the West every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
In accordance with the prophecy
I'm pretty sure Peyton can make any offensive system work
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Maybe but he has been in the same system for the past 13 years
I’d think he’d take him a season to adapt to any new system.
Then there’s the teaching an old dog new tricks factor.
I don't know
Manning IS the system and it goes with him wherever he goes.
So Pioli and Crennell and whoever our OC is will have to be willing to redesign our whole offense
Sure Peyton will be comfortable in it but that means every other player has to learn the new system. So instead of 1 guy adapting you have 10 starters and backups having to adapt.
Sounds like if Manning did come here we’d have half a season to an entire season where the whole offense just looks lost.
Since we will have a new OC anyway
everyone will be on the same page because everyone will be learning a new system
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
That's true
but it is ultimately his call as to what kind of a system he wants to run. There would have to be concessions to get him to KC (ie McClain’s role), just as there will be to get him anywhere. He is that good…when healthy.
In accordance with the prophecy
BUT Peyton wants an inside/outside zone run game…with a SINGLE BACK SET. McClain would have to be sent packing for this to happen.
McClains a free agent. I’d like to think we’ll re-sign him but, with or without Manning here, there’s a reasonable chance he’s not on the team next year anyway. Personally, I’d like to see us bring him back even with Manning though. Even the Colts occasionally ran the I-form, so you need somebody to play full back, and McClain could also double as the Thomas Jones replacement/ short yardage back (he ran for almost 1000 yards with the Ravens not that long ago).
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The More Recent News
Per Jim Irsay, Manning has not been cleared to play and there are still concerns about his arm strength.
"Peyton has not passed our physical nor has he been cleared to play for The Indianapolis Colts," Irsay posted on Twitter early Friday. "Team statement coming on Friday."
Doctors cleared him, so technically the reports are accurate. Even though he has to pass the team physical…which justttt might be biased if they don’t want to pay him that $28 mil bonus.
I agree...
I dont think Peyton said the Colts doctors cleared him. I am pretty sure the Colts doctors didnt do the surgeries…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
It could be like when The Rat wouldn't clear Haynesworth because he was mad at him
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
2012 wish list
QB: Peyton Manning
OC: Al Saunders
DC: Gary Gibbs
OLC: Will Shields
I See One Problem With That List Already
Gary Gibbs? The guy who ran horrible defenses in New Orleans? He’s been a good linebackers coach, but I think that’s pretty much his ceiling.
He's a "system guy"
He’s quite capable of taking a lot of the work load off Crennel. Even if Crennel calls the defensive sets..his DC will have working experience with him and keep our defense moving forward. We were one of the best defenses in the NFL over the last 6 games…no need to take a step back.
Maybe he meant Barry Gibb?
Well, you can tell by the way I call my plays
I’m a football man, no more to say
Music loud and my players warm,
I’ve been kicked around since I was born.
But now it’s all right. That’s OK
I’m gonna call another play
We can try to understand
Why Romeo straight smells like ham
Whether you’re a backer or whether you’re a corner,
I’m callin the D, callin the D
Feel the offense breaking and everybody shaking,
cause I’m callin the D, callin the D
Ah, ha, ha, ha, callin the D, callin the D
Ah, ha, ha, ha, callin the Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
by Ochophosphate on Feb 3, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 9 recs
I'm amazed
just in the amount of effort that took. +1
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 3, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
This is the best thing I've seen on AP in weeks.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Many thanks!
it was the line about Romeo smelling like ham that did it though, right?
by Ochophosphate on Feb 3, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
cheers!
I’d be lying if I said I haven’t gone back over it and read it about 50 times, putting it to the tune and just giggling like a fat kid in a candy shop.
Now we just need to find a way to dub these words over the original.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 3, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
That's the real challenge.
If only you could find a musician around Nashville.
Damn near impossible.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Harder than
finding diversity in an Abercrombie and Fitch.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 3, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
OK, ENOUGH OF THIS!!!
I just got my medical clearance to play and I CAN THROW! I’m dynamite on those 3 yard out patterns and my handoffs are out of sight. Better yet, I will sign a contract for 3.5 mil to leave more money available for other FAs to be signed. Now, I do have to admit that I’m getting a little older and the deep throws (like over 10 yards) are getting to be a little problem but we just won’t use them.
And I don’t know how to use the sarcasm tool but do I need to, to be a great QB?
Nope
Just impersonating myself but then that might be very similar to Matt’s abilities. I’m over 60 and might have a day or two on Matt..
by cowboyChief on Feb 3, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So since JC has been medically clear to start running
but cant sprint or take hits he wont get better in 6 months?
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Off topic question
How did we ever get to the point in media/reporting where “unnamed sources” are allowed as credible? I don’t think ESPN has NAMED a source this past year.
Its a political thing
More well known as “plausible deniability”. and its lawyer speak for “Im going to tell you somethng, but in order for me not to violate my non-disclosure agreement you cant tell anyone it was me who told you”
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by MarineChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Manning to the Chiefs is not something we should do...
He’s coming off one of the most serious surgerys a person can have.
A surgery so severe he had to go out of the country to get stem cells just to enable him to ATTEMPT to play football again.
You people really need to look up the severity of the surgery he had. They are fusing things together in his neck, and if he takes a hit to the neck or lands on it wrong, he’s paralyzed…period. And this is different than any other QB landing on their neck wrong…because his neck is much more fragile.
Also, EVEN IF he was able to throw the football, we’d get a Manning that would be good (not great, those days are over) for 2 to 3 years, and then we’d be starting over…Not to mention the amount of money we’d have to drop to grab him. We’d lose Bowe AND Carr in order to afford to pay Manning.
THIS diehard does not want Peyton Manning. Period.
It's also been reported
that there are linebackers currently in the NFL who had that same surgery and are hitting constantly. It’s called the evolution of science and medicine.
Also, Cassel is under contract and cheep at this point (front loaded contract). If we brought Manning in and he broke…just throw Cassel back in there.
I’d take Peyton Manning for 3-4 great years than Matt Cassel for 7 mediocre years. The Chiefs WILL have to draft a QB at some point…it’s been what..19 years? Rebuilding is a part of football, however, we can win NOW with a HOF QB.
You think our line...
is good enough to allow Peyton enough time? I don’t.
Not to mention he hasn’t played at game speed in over a year…
Our line was better than his
He just gets the ball out so fast that he doesn’t take sacks.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Over 20 active NFL players have had this surgery.
You people really need to look up the severity of the surgery he had.
So should you.
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It's apparent we have some rabid Manning-to-KC people here...
So I won’t bother mentioning it anymore. But not only do I not see Pioli getting into a bidding war for Manning, I just don’t see it as a great idea. It’s my opinion.
As for looking it up, I have, and I read a report after his surgery that specifically stated the risk for paralysis is very great.
How many of those 20 are QBs who have to use their arm to throw, grib, and make pinpoint accurate throws when they have nerve problems in that arm?
It's apparent we have some rabid Matt Cassel=Awful people here
I think we all agree Pioli probably won’t go after him… but It’d be great for the Chiefs and Kansas City.
We had 32 at the beginning of last season I think...
Pretty sure it’s dropped since then…Could be wrong.
We are what 27mil under the cap?
Manning is going to get 10-15 million a year…maybe more depending on who gets involved in the race…
That leaves 17mil a year MAX to sign our own free agents (not to mention open market)…figure carr and bowe will pull roughly 7mil a year, maybe a little less, so there’s 14mil…that leaves 3 million…
Yeah, let’s invest everything we have to get manning…I don’t buy into it, and I think it would be worse for the team.
We will draft a QB next year, and may even move up to grab them. You heard it here first. :)
Carr and Bowe's $$$ are already apart of that cap
They won’t be getting 7 mil OVER their current contracts that go towards the cap.
Umm...
Carr played for 2.6 mill last year…
Bowe played for 2.75 mil…
I could see both of them going up 5 million at least….we’re talking about a #1 receiver, and a CB that could be a number 1 on any other team…they will get paid.
Even at my numbers, that still leaves only 7 million to play in free agency and sign other guys, which we have plenty of. Gilberry, McClain, Gregg, etc…Unless you want all our depth to walk, of course
What he’s saying is that 6 million of that 14 million estimate for Carr and Bowe are already figured in if you’re using the 27 from this year. So you’d just take off 8 instead of 14 and you’re left with ten million.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Is that enough...
To sign our depth and pick up other free agents? I don’t think so…but it depends if you’re looking at it through manning-colored glasses I guess :)
also...
My number is with Manning making 10/yr, which I think if released, he will bring in a bit more than that…
You still haven't...
mentioned how many of those 20 were QBs…
I’d also be interested to see your list of 20 players, please.
I don't have the list of 20...
but here is something
“This procedure is performed regularly throughout the country on persons from all walks of life, including professional football players. Two former Colts players had this same procedure last winter and have fully resumed their careers,” the team said in the statement.
“Rehabilitation from such surgery is typically an involved process. Therefore, there will be no estimation of a return date at this time.”
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6944302/indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-more-surgery-neck
Sorry...
Just realized it wasn’t you that said the 20 active players comment. My apologies…
What position did the “former” Colts players play? I’m betting not QB, where the nerves in your arm are “pretty” important to being able to throw, grip, and dictate where the location of a ball will go……
He's been throwing the ball fine to Addai don't know why that would change
I would figure the QB position would be the best. Other position players constantly hit. The QB position is the most protected position in football (well next to a kicker I suppose).
I just think the risk of taking a “cleared” Peyton Manning has far more reward than keeping an awful Matt Cassel.
However, I don’t think we’ll go after him. Heck… I’d be surprised if we signed Orton (who is better than Cassel as well)
Addai specifically...
mentioned short routes. Not medium or long routes…It would change if he pinches his nerve again. There are many reasons it could change. The nerve in his arm is messed up. This can cause loss of velocity, loss of accuracy, then inability to hold onto the ball, etc…And it can be sporadic.
Just because he’s throwing short routes now to addai on an open field, does NOT mean he will be able to throw those routes taking a snap under center, or shotgun, and able to make the plays with defenders rushing him or having their hands in the air.
Look, I understand you are a Cassel hater, that’s fine…but I don’t think you’re really looking at this objectively. You are thinking “OMG HOF MANNING TO CHIEFS = INSTANT SUPER BOWL!!!! YAY!!!!” and I just don’t see it playing out that way.
I think if he’s released Washington, 49ers, Seattle, Miami will all be in serious contention for him. Yeah, we ‘have" the money, but we’d lose a lot of our depth by signing Manning, that’s all I’m saying.
No.. I'm not freaking out in all caps
I’m being realistic. Why do you think those other teams would go after him? Because a “CLEARED” Peyton Manning instantly makes you a contender, ESPECIALLY in the AFCW.
Umm...
Yes, really.
Cleared means he’s physically ok to play…
He still has nerve issues, and this has been WIDELY reported. He’s not fully healthy.
I'm going out on a limb here...
but I would guess a very very small percentage of NFL players are “fully” healthy. Everyone’s dinged up.
You did mention...
Linebackers though…So please list which active linebackers are playing with this surgery.
Thanks.
It was mentioned on espn and on the radio and the specific position mentioned were LB's as one example.
If you want names, then go to the teams/media, because none were specifically mentioned.
We’re just conveying what we heard.
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Right on dude...
Just wanted to research if it was actually the same surgery…You know those analysts typically don’t know what they’re talking about.
I read on PFT a few weeks ago that no one had had Manning’s surgery before, which is why everything about his rehab has been so questionable because there is nothing to base the timetable off of. I’m trying to find that article.
That would be an interesting read, because that goes against what some of us have been hearing/reading from radio/tv/newspapers
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Trying to find it man...It was very interesting...
It’s hard as hell to find those articles though, I’ll see what I can find
I'm amazed at how many M.D.s are active AP contributors.
Half the people here know his prognosis better than his own team & medical staff.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Most of us are just going off
the fact that Peyton Manning’s neurosurgeon (who IS a doctor) cleared him to play.
I'm just kidding anyway
Trust me, I’m looking for any positive news & glossing over the negative stuff hoping a return means he lands in KC. It’s human nature.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I know, aren't we lucky to have so many experts here?
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Well, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express® last night.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
by TRSChief on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As for me
I’d offer him a $10-$12m signing bonus, with the remaining salary of $15m payable if he makes the opening day roster, then give him a standard contract for another 4 years.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
This fire is out of control
We’re gonna burn this city, burn this city!
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Interesting observation from Walterfootball:
“By my estimation, the teams most likely to sign Peyton Manning in order are the: Redskins, Cardinals, Dolphins, Jets and Seahawks. I have Washington atop the list because no one will be able to outbid Daniel Snyder. The Redskins are about $33 million under the cap. Compare that to the Dolphins ($6 million under) and Jets ($5 million over with some flexibility), and it’s no contest. After the likes of Mike Sellers, John Beck, and possibly Chris Cooley and O.J. Atogwe are jettisoned as cap casualties, Washington could have more than $40 million at its disposal. "
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Give him 20 mil guaranteed
for 3 years (7.3 per year), with bonuses for playoff wins, etc.
That's embarassing...
I teach math….that would be 6.7 mil per year…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
That makes it much funnier
I usually just blame it on lupus, phone taps or the communists.
Nobody’s called me out on it yet, so I think I’m still in the clear.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Peyton and his agent would take that as an insult
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
yep
Have a low guaranteed salary in the first year, with a large bonus for making the opening day roster. For subsequent years structure it like his Indy contract.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I think it would have to be something comparable to what the Vikings gave Favre
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Posted this on Arrowheadlines, but since the conversation has moved ...
I heard speculation yesterday that, if cut, Peyton would wind up in …
Denver.
Think about it.
If he wants to stay in the AFC and the Chiefs don’t get him. Denver has a good, talented, young defense. He’d have options on offense and, even if he didn’t have the same zip on long throws, would make them immediately better. And Manning is one of the only personalities that can take the reigns away from Tebow without Denver’s fans burning down the stadium.
There are a lot of people (mostly here) talking about Manning to the Chiefs. There are a lot of people (who do sports talk for a living) who are considering what I think could be absolute nightmare scenarios for us.
Where did you hear this?
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Can't remember who's show it was on.
It was either ESPN Radio yesterday or an analyst Dan Patrick was talking to. Can’t remember for certain.
They were sure he wouldn’t wind up in Washington because, even if they could pay him, he couldn’t win there in that division.
Did they mention KC as a possibility?
Just wondering, because nobody else seems to be…
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
NO PEYTON!!!
Does anyone know what he will do for our team! Destroy everything!
KC will have to build the offense around him. Also as in Indy case no buddy could take his place when he was gone! And that would happen when he retires. Back to the drawing board.
Like with Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Elvis Grbac, and Trent Green. KC cant handle that. Stanzi is good better than most think. Teams that win Super Bowls win with the players within the draft only a hand full win with Vets twords there end of there playing days. Keep the faith and keep down the building threw the draft. It will come! Get a good offensive Cord. and keep the system the same…. is the way to go.
And if they got RGIII they wouldn't have to build the offense around him
And again, “Doing the same thing with Montana was an unmitigated disaster, of course”
through X2
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Why not build the rest of the team through the draft?
And develop Stanzi, all the while competing for a SB?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I'm all for it
Now please present a reasonable plan where KC can draft one of the only two top tier QB’s available this year and/or not pull their arm out of socket reaching for Tannenhill
It's been widely speculated that the Rams or Vikings, already having young, promising, first round QBs on their rosters, won't take RGIII and would be willing and possibly even eager to trade down.
The Rams in particular might make sense for the Chiefs, since a franchise tagged Dwayne Bowe would be an attractive bargaining chip for a receiver starved team. Package him with our first rounder and some other considerations, and it’s possible the Rams would be willing to deal.
As for Tannehill, you know Pioli loves to trade back. I’d be willing to bet he could find a willing partner to take our spot. But, honestly, when you look at where guys like Ponder and Locker went last year, Tannehill might not be that big of a reach at our spot.
The fact of the matter is, having a franchise QB is incredibly important. Once you’ve found and targeted “your guy,” you do what it takes to get them.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Oh there are dance partners at the top, but they'll want a lion's share
The Bowe to StL angle is interesting, but even then the price would be redonkulous. At a minimum it would still cost KC this year’s 1st, next year’s 1st, a 2nd or 3rd in there somewhere and their best WR. That’s one hell of a down payment. If Crennel/Pioli see RGIII as that guy, by all means go get him, but if it’s a whiff you have hamstrung the team for the next 3-5 years.
I agree that RGIII would be worth the cost if Pioli and Crennel are confident that he's definitely "the guy."
But, come on. The Falcons gave up less than that to move up all the way from 27 to 5 last year. The Chiefs would be looking to make less than half that jump. I get that the 2nd pick is also worth more than the 5th, but there’s still a bigger differential between 5 and 27 than there is between 2 and 11.
Bowe alone could potentially fetch up to a 1st on the trade market, and you’re saying that the minimum is him, two 1sts, and a 2nd? Sorry, not buying it.
Now I’m not saying there’s no conceivable way that a team puts together that kind of a package, but that is absolutely not the “starting point” for negotiations.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
its about the rings Kitty
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He won't get KC a ring till y r2 or 3 but nothing is in stone.
Motana was goiing to get us a ring!?!?!?
But another QB will get us one sooner? I'm not seeing your logic.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Kitty thinks we will turn into the Colts
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Why shouldn't we let Stanzi develop for a couple years
While at the same time competing for a SB?
Must we suck at QB while we wait?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I'm not following the logic either.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Don't you understand?
Signing Peyton Manning will slow the building of the team.
Yeah, me neither.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I've finally figured it out!
It’s because with us finishing 13-3 / 14-2 every year, we’ll be drafting much lower than we have been.
And those late 20’s / early 30’s draft picks will really slow down our development in pursuit of winning games.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Teams and players are not static.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
KC is actually built to run and pass
we just don’t have a QB who can get our WR the ball.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
by KingChief on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This
No offense WANTS to be one dimensional
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Which is why they have Bowe, Bladwin, Breaston and Moeaki.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Exactly
Ideally, you’re on a team that can run AND pass (like the Texans).
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Seriously?
So you’d refuse Rodgers? Or Brady?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
RGlll<Peyton
I would rather have Peyton and our draft picks!
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Here's the sad/scary part that has a lot of us KC fans worried.
Matt Cassel is only 29 years old.
(That sentence sends chills down my spine)
Better QB's
Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
Brock Osweiler, Arizona State
Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
Dominique Davis, East Carolina
I like this one… GR8 arm
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State
KC can get these guys 2 or 3 rounds…..
Also if Cassel gets a good OC and gets time in the pocket he can kill D’s…. Like in 2010 well got better time in the pocket and when he was with Pats….
Remember Orton didn’t do much like Cassel by getting into the endzone…
Think Todd had to do more with the play calling to kill cassel..like in the end of 2010
a guy like manning just doesn't fall of the tree everyday if manning is healthy with his arm
the chiefs would be crazy not to sign peyton. montana was the last chief qb to win a playoff game for kc, and people said he was done when he got to the chiefs. other than green the chiefs have never had a solid qb, its killed the chiefs for years. The chiefs have a history of getting other teams qb, just look at my sig for the last time the chiefs drafted a qb in the first round.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Stanzi is still on OUR backburner
waiting patiently…..
Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"
Weeden is the same age as Cassel
is it really wise to draft him and let him develop
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
It's about competition!
who knows who will be the starter…. Stanzi might beat out Cassel… Weeden is mature and can handle the presure… heck Luck could end up like ryan Leaf…lol
You make a lot of incorrect assumptions there.
I have seen Stanzi practice.
And, clearly, there was a reason he didn’t get on the field and it wasn’t just because Haley didn’t like Pioli telling him what to do.
And, Stanzi was injured this year? That’s news. Especially considering I don’t think he was ever on the injury report and never showed up as ‘did not practice.’
But, hey, what do I know?
undergoing right ankle surgery for break/partial ligament tear
Is the reason he was a 5th round pick…
and to have surgery….
its more than a spran…
it’s a 9-13 months to fully heal with no contact to it…
.
Uh ...
Unless he had more problems with it than what Google can find, what you’re referring to happened in November of 2009.
“It is correct that he had surgery,” Ferentz said Tuesday. “We think he’s going to be just fine. It’s very, very doubtful that he’ll play in the next two weeks, but we’re very, very confident that he’ll return shortly thereafter and be ready to go.”
via: Iowa’s Stanzi has surgery, doubtful until bowl
That was 27 months ago.
If he hasn’t recovered yet, he needs to be cut because he isn’t healthy enough to play.
Well if thats the case
Why go after Peyton… fresh injury and it effects the tricep in his throwing arm.. so why take a chance there… i would with the younger player because he would heal faster than the older one…
Because Peyton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stanzi
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Clarification:
i would with the younger player because he would heal faster than the older one…
So, you’re arguing that a player (Stanzi) wasn’t available all last season due to an injury he incurred in November of 2009, had surgery at that time to repair which his coach said would have him out for two weeks, and that your timetable — which you’ve given no support for — would have him fully healed in 9-13 months is a fast healer?
So, I have to know: Did Brodie Croyle have Tim Tebow or Jesus Himself putting him back together?
Because, as fragile as Brodie was, he never took as long to recover from things like separated shoulders and broken collarbones as you’re claiming Stanzi’s taking to recover from an ankle sprain and ligament tear?
And, that’s ingnoring the fact that a broken down Peyton Manning is still so much better than Ricky Stanzi that the comparison is almost laughable.
Also why scrap Jamall charles for a more of a passing game
Peyton whould want to change more to passing than running…
Odd
Since Addai averages about 14 carries / game with the Colts and Charles has averaged 10.1 with his career in KC.
Addai’s high was 261 carries in 15 games played in 2007, Charles’ was 230 carries in 16 games played in 2010.
Manning isn’t at all afraid to audible into a run when he sees something he thinks will favor it, even when the initial play call was a pass.
If anything Charles would be seeing at least as many and probably more carries because the offense would actually be on the field a lot more.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Stanzi was not injured
Haley just put him on the inactive list during games
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
We only had two QBs active
to have room for another player else where on the roster.
Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"
810 WHB
Not appearing on the injury report is Ricky Stanzi but I heard Mitch Holthus say on 810 WHB Wednesday night that Stanzi is “fighting some injury issues a little bit.”
Not appearing on the injury report is Ricky Stanzi but I heard Mitch Holthus say on 810 WHB Wednesday night that Stanzi is "fighting some injury issues a little bit."
I’m confused. Was he planning on playing this week?
Not according to RAC.
"The Chiefs are in great hands with Romeo and Scott and I wish them nothing but the best." - Bill Muir
Meh.
Then he wasn’t playing because he was worse than Kyle Orton and Romeo just watched the last guy get fired for stubbornly continuing to start Palko who was, by that point, clearly flailing.
Stanzi couldn’t beat out Cassel or Palko in training camp. He couldn’t beat out Cassel or Palko or Orton during the regular season. Nothing about that suggests that he’s the future of this team, particularly when, after having him on the roster for a year, the GM starts talking about upgrading the QBs on our roster.
Inactives don't need to be on the Injury Report
Here is some headlines…
Kyle Orton Not Suiting Up And Ricky Stanzi’s Injured Ankle Spells Trouble For Kansas City Chiefs. by sb Nation… Ricky was wearing a boot most the Year….
His Ankle has not fullied healed from surgery on his right ankle….
OK soooooo
take 9-13 months later…. that would be fullied healed Sep-Dec 2010…
And thats if he did not pratice….
And we all know he did. With all the news about him having ankle issues this year….
So next year its on. Hopefully….
take 9-13 months later…. that would be fullied healed Sep-Dec 2010…
Which is still anywhere from 4 to 7 months before we drafted him in at the end of April 2011.
I’m not trying to be mean, but I have to ask: You do know what year you’re in, right?
Yes
So when did Ricky heal…. When did he take the time to do that. Never. He played his Senior year of football. Got hurt And the training staff will do anything to keep a starter in. So the injury will not completely heal. So it would take 2 to maybe 3 times longer. now with a full year to heal it will be 100 times better….Also in 2010 he had a high ankle sprain with the same ankle…before the 2010 Orange Bowl….
I would just
sign him and then trade him for a crap load of picks and stuff…
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST reply actions
If you
Could have another team take the pcotract he signs…. it will be hard
Never give up draft picks for quick desisions…
look at the Faders…
I agree
You make good desisions
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
the peyton maning question, with the only exception being when montana came to kc.
if peyton came to kc, it would be the second time besides montana, where the team has a qb and a defense to back each other up and win football games. When montana was here we had the DE and qb to get it done, we would have the same with manning. The last time this situation was on the chiefs team, the chiefs made it to the afc championship game. The chiefs are ready to win now,they are just a legit qb away from a super bowl run.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Decision Making Skills + 7-Yard Passes = Manning in K.C.
Because we all know Zorn thinks Cassels equation is (temporary lapse of decision making skills + 5-yard passes = Cassel). I might be out of line, but I would bank that a LEFT-HANDED Peyton could beat Cassel in a skills competition. I’ve had Cassel’s back and I like the guy, but Manning is a step in the right direction…
And, I would almost rather have Orton over Cassel, based solely on the game against Green Bay…
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Clark Hunt & Pioli, get some KING KONG BALLS and move up to draft a QB in the 1st RD of the 2012 NFL Draft: RG3 or Luck.
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