Chiefs Coach Leaves The Door Open On Peyton Manning
by Joel Thorman on Feb 25, 2012 2:53 PM CST
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Well. I didn't expect this.
Yesterday we noted that Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli was asked about Peyton Manning and he noted that he wasn't allowed to talk about other teams' players. We also noted he had an opportunity to say the Chiefs weren't interested and he didn't take it. (There's also the argument that him not saying anything means nothing.)
And now, today, Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel talked to the media at the NFL Combine and left the door wide open on Manning. When asked about the Colts QB, Crennel said:
"Well, I'm not supposed to talk about anybody else's players," Crennel said with a smile, "he's still a player with Indianapolis. But with a talent like that, I would be crazy not to consider it if he were available. All right? I'll leave it at that."
Wow.
Maybe just some coach speak.
But maybe not. The Chiefs have now been given two opportunities to shoot down any Manning talk and they've haven't taken it either time.
Color me curious.
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There sure seems to be a lot of talking from Chiefs brass lately.
Matt Cassel is the starter, but they want Kyle Orton Peyton, Manning and RGIII as well.
by craig in calgary on Feb 25, 2012 2:56 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Who is
Kyle Orton Peyton?
I’ve never heard of that guy.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Feb 25, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Even making it clear that Cassel's the starter
Seemed rather loose lipped.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Crennel was interviewed on Sirius NFL radio today around 2:30 P.M. as well
Among a lot of other things, he said “Matt Cassel is our starting quarterback, but competition makes players better at every position” …. after being prompted to elaborate a little bit he said [don’t remember the exact quote, but here’s my paraphrase] ….. We [Chiefs] need to encourage competition at every position, including quarterback. Competition drives players to improve. There will be competition at the quarterback, weather that’s Kyle or somebody else competing with Matt….
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Sigh
Are we honestly dumber than these guys? Is our “fan vision” hiding something from us?
How on earth could a coach be comfortable with Matt Cassel as his starter?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 25, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sure they’re just trying not to burn any bridges in case Orton and Manning fall through.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Feb 25, 2012 9:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Only if they believe it was poor coaching by Haley...
that led to Cassel’s poor play.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Feb 26, 2012 2:46 AM CST up reply actions
The coach calls the play and in Haley's case,
gets it to the QB extremely late not allowing him to size up the D pre snap. Coaches should also conform there play calling to their player’s strengths. McD did this with Cassel. Haley seemed to try and force a square peg in a round hole.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Feb 26, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
no kidding - positively loose lips on that ship recently...
I wonder if the new PR guy is a sign of a new PR policy at the top as well…. hrrrmmmmmmm….
Trying to repair the damage
from all the Haley stuff?
Faithless is he who says farewell when the road darkens...
by 5280ChiefsFan on Feb 25, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Open up the organization a little to get people to forget a small bad stretch
Fanship Established: At Birth
by Moebuis_34 on Feb 25, 2012 10:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sure, they are saying more as probably the pr guy wanted to change that, but still, not saying anything shocking or that the fans dont want to hear
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
Agree
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Agree
Romeo has always been better, but the rest of the organization seems to be doing better too since we hired Ted Crews as the new VP of communications. He seems to be doing a good job!
by Xander Crews on Feb 25, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely.
The lack of derangement will suit him and the KC Chiefs quite well.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
agreed
Haley’s pointless tactics and mindgames were just a cover up for his ineptitude as a coach. Lingering with making Baldwin active for 3 weeks, build-a-bear esque training camp, benching starters until 4th preseason. game. Just dumb shit
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 25, 2012 5:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yes, because tactics like benching Bowe and DJ did absolutely nothing to motivate them to become more than they ever had been before.
Haley did some things I may not have agreed with, but he always had a reason to do them.
The focus he put on conditioning was a HUGE boon to the team. It was a gamble to spend more time on conditioning than installing in his first 2 years, but it worked.
The “no off season / lockout” camps were something new and tough for every coach in the league to deal with. Haley chose to stick with what worked for his first 2 years…. focus on conditioning… and make sure the team didn’t slide backwards in that regard. He took it too far, and didn’t leave enough time to prepare the team to actually play (evidenced by the first several games).. but it wasn’t stupid, or flat out insane… It was a miscalculation by a head coach that had the teams physical conditioning at the forefront of his mind.
His tactics were not pointless, and his “mind games” perpetrated on players of the team resulted in bringing the absolute best out of fantastic young athletes that had under achieved up until Haley found a way to motivate them.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Feb 25, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said
That deserves a high five!
(hand in air making high five motion)
by Grayt1 on Feb 25, 2012 10:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
as if this hasn't been covered ad naseum... but ok, I'll bite.
KC had 3 QB’s on the roster.
The BEST QB in the pre-season was Palko.
Palko had a handle on the offense, and didn’t require the playbook to be cut in 1/2.. or worse.
Palko led the team to back to back 80 yard scoring drives int he pre season.
Cassel goes down injured..and Palko steps in because he’s the #2 on the depth chart.
Stanzi gets activated, but has taken alost zero first team snaps, is a rookie that had NO OFF SEASON to work with the team or learn the playbook. It’s his FIRST game that he’s even been active all season long.. and he’s seen on camera on the sidelines standing alone and staring off into space the majority of the game. Palko, and Cassel are huddled around Zorn talking their way through the game…and Stanzi can’t even be bothered to get involved, or show interest, or even take mental reps on the sideline. (Reall.. go back and watch the TV broadcast…. Stanzi is in his own little world on the sideline and looks completely uninterested.
Palko WINS the Bears game. It wasn’t pretty.. but the team won the game. So, he gets to start the next game.
Palko looks terrible… just awful.
The Chiefs sign Kyle Orton. Orton has only 3 days to prepare before the next game. Because Orton doesn’t have enough time to get ready to start.. and Palko is still the #2…. and Stanzi has shown no signs of being ready to start….. and it’s only going to be the one more game before Orton takes over… Palko gets the start…
Palko looks awful… but Orton has now had 10 days to prepare, and gets inserted into the game plan. Palko and Orton will BOTH be active for the next game. Stanzi will not be activated or eligible to play. Palko knows the offense better at this point, BUT Orton will see playing time if Palko is a flop.. or in the second half.
Orton gets injured on his first official snap as a Chief. Finger injury on his throwing hand. He’s out the rest of the game. Stanzi is not active… so Palko plays.
It’s not some horrible Haley conspiracy. Palko was bad, that’s for sure; But given the options at the time… and the fact that Orton was expected to take over… it made no sense to thorw Stanzi in there for 1 game between Palko and Orton. The team had already decided to sign Kyle Orton… so they were just limping along with the #2 guy (that had a better handle on the offense) for a week until Orton was ready to play. They had no idea Orton was going to go down injured on his first pass attempt.
Look at the events chronologically… Palko was the best option at the time.
Hindsight is 20/20… and maybe It would have been better to NEVER have used Palko.. and played Stanzi… and NOT signed Kyle Orton…. but at the time, as things were happening… Palko made the most sense to a team trying to cling to a playoff hope.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
This is a what have you done for me lately league
No doubting he motivated Bowe (although the 3rd or 4th season usually when WR’s meet their prime), but his antics this year deserved to get him fired. If you want the Chiefs to thrive on what worked in a season with one of the league’s weakest schedule and a team full of talent with Haley, then that’s up to you. I think the fact that Herm was such a player’s coach and the fact that Carl Peterson was a bad GM for the most part in his latter years, you guys are blind to the fact that coaches ARE SUPPOSED to get the best out of their players. It might surprise you…but Haley wasn’t the first coach to bring the best out of his players. It supposed to happen. And he had some great talent that was easy to work with. If sometimes doing his job is what we are gonna give him credit for, then we really need to reevaluate our expectations as fans and consumers of this organization.
When did I ever suggest that Haley should not have been fired, or was the bestest coach ever?
I’m simply defending a guy that’s no longer with the team from the “hindsight” attack dogs coming out of the woodwork since he was fired.
You suggested his tactics were pointless… they wern’t. They got the best out of Bowe and DJ, and Dorsey, and Brandon Albert….
His conditioning brought the whole team to a place they’ed never managed under Herm.
He took it too far in the non-existent pre-season of 2011. He tried to stick with what had worked in a normal off season…. but there was no normal off season. It blew up in his face… But it wasn’t pointless tactics. It was the EXACT SAME tactics that had worked wonders for the previous 2 season. He failed to adapt to a new dynamic as well as other teams in the league. There’s no where else to point the finger of blame… but Haley did what he thought would be best for the team. He’s not an idiot, he’s not a terrible coach. His tactics wern’t pointless, and his “mind games” did EXACTLY what he wanted them too… they brought the best out of players that had previously not lived up to their abilities.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
You can't see it
but my hand is up!
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
by shotty on Feb 25, 2012 5:36 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i still dont believe it was haley's paranoia...this is an excellent spin job by the chiefs pr, but pioli, not the head coach, sets the tone of how info goes in and out of arrowhead
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
by SDChief on Feb 25, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hand raised with beer in it!!
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Feb 25, 2012 6:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
everyone said it was Pioli and the "Patriot way" that made Haley afrais\d to say anything.
Turns out a coach who thinks his boss hired the KGB top watch him have dinner and talk to his wife on his cell phone might have been a little paranoid.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
by saskwatch on Feb 25, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think RAC's honest just cost us a pick.
Seems like he acknowledged the rule and then broke it. Seems like the Lions were punished for a statement that seemingly small.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Feb 26, 2012 2:50 AM CST up reply actions
Dude Peyton is coming to KC book it!!!!
by Chiefsallday25 on Feb 25, 2012 3:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, to have some BBQ
and stay on The Plaza for a weekend vacation, maybe.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Feb 25, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this tampering?
Remember when Gunther Cunningham said something about the Chiefs along the lines of, “I’d like to pick up some of their players,” and the Lions were charged with tampering? Seems like a bad idea to say anything at all.
by Vince D on Feb 25, 2012 3:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
yea i probably would stay quiet as well
Never know
by TheScreenName on Feb 25, 2012 3:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The NFL never said that's why the Lions were found guilty.
We can only speculate why they were found guilty of tampering.
That said, there is a possible trade-off to RAC’s honesty.
He didnt say he wanted to pick him up
He said he would be crazy to not consider it….Big difference
by bonesjackson on Feb 26, 2012 5:27 AM CST up reply actions
not really. its only tampering if he were to openly say, peyton, we want you here, or if they contacted him, but to just say hes a talent that basically anyone would want
no so much
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
I doubt it'll happen. Pioli wouldn't throw away 3 years of re-building for it
Read this and you’ll understand why going with Manning will only set the team back even more if it does not pan out. Billick: Signing Manning could set back a team’s progress
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RAC City. I predict an AFC West crown in 2012. If Cassel is not the QB, Chiefs will go deep into the playoffs and possibly make some sizable upsets. It all depends how healthy the team gets but Superbowl aspirations for sure.
by 58 was my friend on Feb 25, 2012 3:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
How would signing Manning throw away three years of rebuilding?
by Tarkus on Feb 25, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the article explains that...
Montana to KC was a great experiment, and KC did get tot the AFC title game, and then went back to not making the playoffs.
There are many issues with Manning. First off, he’s still under contract in Indy. Secondly, nobody will really know if he’s healthy come March 9. Third, what will the potential bidding war shape up to be? Fourth, do you re-vamp your system for him? Fifth, where does he wanna go? That’s likely the deciding factor.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
so better to have never loved
than to have loved and lost?
Montana put us in the best position to win a SB the one we won. Any argument using that as a con I’m not going to trust.
by fongKC on Feb 25, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
1st off - Assumption is he'll be released. If he's not, than this is all moot
2nd off – Assumption is he will be healthy, if he doesn’t pass the tests, then nothing ventured, nothing gained
3rd off – No one is in a better place capwise to get in a bidding war IF points 1 and 2 check out
4th off – Ummm YES. The current “system” had the 30th something ranked offense
5th off – Again, he wants to go to a winning situation, it’s Pioli’s job to convince him that this is the place to be
by craig in calgary on Feb 25, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Montana had nothing to do with KC not getting another QB.
There is nothing to stop the Chiefs from signing Manning and still drafting their QBOTF in the next couple years (if they don’t feel they already have him). One has very little to do with the other. It’s the height of absurdity to suggest that Montana was the reason the Chiefs haven’t had a franchise QB since Len Dawson.
I forgot that we stopped making the postseason for the rest of the decade after Montana left. You would think I would have remembered that…
He kept us from getting another franchise QB.
For the next 20 years. You’re only allowed one/generation.
Unless you’re the 49ers or Colts.
tark as u know we don't draft qb in the first round
manning is coming to kc
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
We do next year or the year after regardless of getting Manning or not.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 25, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
need a qb dude been to long since we had a good one and a playoff win
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Thats why you get a stop gap like Manning or Orton(not great but better then Cassel) for a year or more
And you draft your QBOTF next year when you don’t have to reach for some guy or blow multiple picks to move up to get a boom or bust QB in in high demand year.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 25, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
who says stanzi isn't the answer let him learn from the best
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
The one thing I can recall thinking at the time Montana was here..
Was that, yes, he gave us a great shot at things (the Denver game was the best ever), but I do recall the rest of the team seemed to sit on their haunches a bit and let him carry the team. So, yes I do think in a way, having Montana did set the team back, kind of a two steps forward, one step back…forward, but did lose a little part of ourselves.
Take the Chiefs, for instance, as a "rebuilding" team.
Lets say we get Manning for 3 good years. At that point, players like DJ, Routt, Hali, Lilja, and others would be in their 30s and the Chiefs would have no quarterback, forcing them to essentially rebuild again.
I don’t agree with it though. I’d rather have 3 years of greatness than 10 years of being unsure if we’ll be good every year.
Good teams don't have rebuilds.
Good thing for us they have the draft every year to replace the guys who get old.
PLUS this core we all want to protect hasn’t exactly done a damn thing in the playoffs.
by craig in calgary on Feb 25, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Please cite the rule
that says if the Chiefs sign Manning, they can’t get another QB for the future.
Carl Peterson et al, 1993
The “how to never plan for the future” law, paragraph 1
by Fourstrike89 on Feb 25, 2012 3:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Sarcastically? Never
Realistically? When we draft a franchise QB. But I agree, no reason you can’t sign peyton and draft (fill in blank with dream player). I think the whole “building a team around peyton might be bad” is ridiculous. I would think the brass would want to surround peyton with fast, intelligent, and talented players. The scheme may change, but not the players
by Fourstrike89 on Feb 25, 2012 3:51 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah that would be an awful mistake wouldn't it?
I mean, we sign Manning then we have to surround him with a good O Line and solid WR’s.
Once he retires, we’d have to fire everybody and bring in shitty players for the next guy.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Exactly!
Plus, peyton would be a horrible fit for our average oline, amazing rb, and unproven WR corps (excluding Bowe). And we worked so hard to bring it all together! Peyton = no thanks!
by Fourstrike89 on Feb 25, 2012 3:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Just sounds like an awful lot of work.
Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko are good’nuff fer me, thankyouverymuch.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
It really does.
It re …allly…..does…….
by Fourstrike89 on Feb 25, 2012 4:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Most of the team is already built.
It’s not about building around Peyton. It’s about Peyton possibly being the (or a) final piece. Maybe he’s not, but either way, it shouldn’t impact the future of the franchise.
I'm on your side dude
I’m just explaining the philosophy behind what Billick said. No need to argue with every person that posts on here.
by Vince D on Feb 25, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Terrible logic.
Packers didn’t exactly have to tear down and rebuild from scratch after Favre.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Amen...
If this logic were correct, the the 49ers would have had to rebuild after Montana’s departure. Seems like they found another guy who could run “Joe’s offense.”
No reason we couldn’t raise a successor (Stanzi?) while Peyton took us through some playoff wins.
People say nothing is impossible, but they're wrong. I do nothing all the time.
by juvatbull on Feb 25, 2012 4:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's been my stance(zi?) on the whole Manning thing all along.
If he checks out as healthy and we can get him – get him. Win now with Pey-Pey, and keep developing his future replacement whether it’s Ameristanzi or someone else we get between now and then.
Win now + win later = well I don’t know the exact math, but I think it’s a lot of win
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Colts didn't exactly light it up after Peyton went down.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Colts weren't grooming a QBOTF expecting Manning's retirement
Rather different scenario.
Packers knew they were parting ways with Favre. 9’ers knew they had Young coming. Ind got blindsided by neck injuries to their HOF starting QB who they were expecting to have at least another 5 years or more.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Except
the Colts were due to start sucking with or without Manning. I didn’t think they’d make the playoffs, even before he had surgery.
Yeah, but they weren't going on a 2 win season with Manning.
They do have a lot of pieces that are too long in the tooth and no apparent backup plans. Honestly they’re looking like our Chiefs post-Montana.
Except we didn’t get to draft Andrew Luck. Dammit.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Yeah.
They would have been competitive with Manning, but this may have been a blessing in disguise. Instead of hanging by a string to be mediocre, they have a chance now to build for the future with another potential great QB. New GM, new coach, new QB.
Yeah I think they'll be better off in the long run.
You can only hold onto that win now / long in the tooth model for so long before it implodes.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
vince its a win now league, if manning the missing piece u get him
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
But what about 20 years from now?
Do you really want to be sitting here in 2032, lamenting Manning costing us our QBOTF?
its like this i'm willing to take a risk on a high mileage car in manning that can get the chiefs to the finish line vs a car in cassel that is going to crash at some point.
a legit qb is what the chiefs need, its the missing piece to a super bowl run
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
was ups sitting down when he heard this from romeo
someone needs to check on him.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not even going to read that
Billick could never develop a QB despite being an “offensive genius” and was the 1 coach to actually win a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer, so he thinks it’s possible in todays NFL. Maybe that’s why he’s been covering the combine for the past 4 years instead of coaching.
I’m so sick of hearing that picking the wrong QB will set the team back, when we haven’t won a playoff game since 94, coincidently the last time we had a great QB.
by craig in calgary on Feb 25, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
well said craig
any parlays today
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Picking the wrong guy MIGHT set the team back if you give up a lot for them, but...
..NEVER picking a top notch guy because you’re too scared that it might set you back if you choose incorrectly will all but guarantee that you hold your team back due to your own indecision and lack of testicular fortitude.
Sure, you might find the next Tom Brady … Then again, monkeys might fly out of your butt, and your pigs might sprout wings and soar among the clouds too.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Well,
if you read what Billick is saying, then you see that the problem is the fact that you have to change playbooks to what Manning is comfortable with. Well, we’re changing playbooks with a new OC anyway. And, if you think about it, what are the alternatives? Stick with Cassel? That may not “set us back” but will that really move us forward? I don’t believe so. Then, we’d end up starting the whole process over with a new QB in a couple of years anyway…exactly where we’d be when/if Manning retires.
Manning makes a lot of sense because we’ve already got a game-ready backup (Cassel) and a promising developmental guy (Stanzi). This is the ideal situation…if Manning is back to full health and strength.
I believe in the Chiefs' Way. Someday, we will set the standard for how to be a championship team!
by Face Painter on Feb 25, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
should we thank haley for his non playbook this yr
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
First and only mistake
Quoting Billick. Billick sucks. Book it, bank on it, enough said(just wanted to know how it felt to say that).
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 25, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I feel dirty.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 25, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Well it's not the weekend unless you've done something to make you feel dirty.
So, well done.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
This is about as close to tampering as you can get without tampering.
And still pretty risky.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
If Manning is healthy AND you have money left to pay to retain your quality players it's a no brainer
But you have to have both.
With Manning at Indy HE was the team — witness what happened when he was out this year. However, they paid big, BIG bucks to him and this hampered Indy from adding and keeping other good players on the rest of the team. Wiith the exception of Freeney and ? Mathis didn’t have any star players.When Manning wasn’t there the team was the worst in the league, and it will take a lot more than Andrew Luck to make them a playoff team — or even a good team. KC cannot pay all their salary cap money to one guy for three – four years like Indy did without then having to completely rebuid after he leaves. This could be a concern but I suspect Pioli would fashion a better deal than Indy did if Manning were signed.
But that’s not the major concern. His health is. No matter how much Manning wants to play and no matter that he is cleared to play— can he completely heal and will his velocity and arm strength ever be the same after 3 major NERVE and neck surgeries? Just because his neck can stand the hits that come with playing DOES NOT mean he will be OK. Some cervical (neck) nerves never heal even after the discs or bones have been treated and the obstuction or impingement corrected. It may be up to a year after neck surgery before you can determine how much recovery there is andreally know if everything is “back”. Are the Chefs willing to take that gamble with all that money? I assume you have to sign him in the near future and won’t have an option of cancelling the contract if he can’t go in Sept. or if his arm no longer has the strength and zip it once had.
by cvane on Feb 25, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
kyle orton agent is tom condon same agent for manning, i'm sure there were the friendly talk of pioli telling condon hey call me when manning gets released
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
I'm surprised the RGIII fanboys haven't jumped all over this
Crennel raved about Griffin and said the time with the Baylor player was "special."
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
If you can't get Manning, get Luck, if not him, get RG3, if not him, get Orton.
Or any two of the above.
Luck AND RG3?
Yeah. We ought to be able to do that.
so I'm a "fanboy" because I think the Chiefs should put their chips in the pot and take a talented young, smart, athletic, strong armed QB?
But those folks arguing that we should settle a mediocre Orton are level headed thinkers?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Why does everyone keep saying Manning will only play 3 more years? He possibly could play more If he stays healthy. Look this is a no brained, just like Crenel said we’d be crazy not to look into Peyton. We can always draft someone to groom while Pey wins us a few Championships lol. But the Chiefs are in all honesty a few bold moves away from being a serious contending team every year. I say get Peyton and draft RG3! Now that’s freakin Bold!
by Chiefsallday25 on Feb 25, 2012 4:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Potential Problem!
The number 18 may be retired by the Chiefs!!!!!!!!!
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
by Racyman on Feb 25, 2012 4:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Let him have #4, Tyler Palko wasn't using it anyway.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
So, here's a question.
What exactly are the Chiefs willing to sacrifice for Peyton Manning?
Not talking about contract for Peyton specifically. I’m talking in terms of facing tampering charges.
With the lack of a structured disciplinary guideline for tampering, the NFL Commissioner basically has free reign to punish a team in any way he sees fit. We saw last year that the Lions were docked a 7th rd pick for just talking to Jarrad Page. Page didn’t even end up on their roster. So if we did get Manning (easily a top 5 superstar in the league), and it’s pretty obvious we’re going to get hit on tampering, what would be the resulting punishment? A 3rd rd pick? A 1st rd pick? 2 picks? Monetary fine? Some combination of these?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Not sure what kind of punishments the guidelines would call for.
But the league doesn’t just start throwing out the tampering flag. IND would have to charge the Chiefs with it.
And probably 28 other teams.
This is one of those kind of special cases where I doubt IND would, as they know everyone and their dog will be glad to take a shot at Pey Pey. And IND will be glad to be out from under that roster bonus. But who knows, anything’s possible I guess.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Why wouldn't they file tampering charges?
If nothing else, they’ll obviously get at least a 7th rd pick like we did for the Lions with Page. It would be stupid not to do anything. And it doesn’t affect whether or not they cut Peyton. That decision will be made regardless.
If they can show that the Chiefs contacted Peyton or his agent (thanks Bob Fescoe) then that will be enough to get some kind of compensation from us. They can probably hit the Jets, Dolphins, and Redskins too if they want. Jim Irsay should try and squeeze this for everything it’s worth. In fact, that’s probably a good reason why they haven’t actually cut Peyton yet (if they are cutting him). Keep him on the hook longer and try to catch teams breaking the rules.
It makes a lot of sense when you consider the fact that if they cut Peyton, they get absolutely nothing for him.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Feb 25, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Well, they get out from under an enormous contract
Also, it’s generally accepted that it’s 99% sure that they’re going with Luck in the draft. There’s no reason for them to release Manning until the night before that roster bonus is due. What if Luck gets in a car wreck tomorrow, but the released Manning this morning?
They minimize that window of potential catastrophe / acts of god / etc by running it to the wire.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
But regardless of any of that, it still doesn't make sense for them to not file tampering charges.
They get out from Peyton’s contract no matter what. So the tampering has nothing to do with them releasing him. It’s all about getting something where they were getting nothing. Just like we did with the Lions. They didn’t have any real affect on the situation, but Pioli saw an opportunity to get something, and he took it. That’s just good business sense.
And for a player like Manning, they could get a pretty good compensation out of the situation.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Feb 25, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on relationships.
If Irsay feels like busting balls and trying to chap some asses, he probably could get away with it.
He may burn a lot of bridges around the league in the process. Again, I can see pursuing or not pursuing it both as valid options. Just depends on if he feels like having trading partners again anytime in the near future.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
In a league of only 32 teams, it will be all business.
We might not deal with the Colts for a year or two, but eventually we will. And Pioli would have 0 moral ground to stand on after hitting the Lions with tampering charges last season.
If the situation were reversed, would you be fine with letting go of a player like Tamba Hali and getting 0 compensation?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Feb 26, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
I was fine with us parting ways with Waters when we had his replacement.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Difference is that
Paige held out, thus causing hardship on the Chiefs. Peyton will definitely be showing up for his bonus. It would be like saying if Brady was a free Agent we would be interested in talking to him. Well Duh! So would everyone else. I really doubt stating an obvious fact, that causes no harm could be classified as tampering.
It's actually a textbook case.
There has been contact between the Manning camp and a team he isn’t under contract with. That’s tampering. Regardless of whether it affects anything or not, it’s still tampering.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Feb 26, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
actually have to seriously disagree with ya citadel
by DaleHammers on Feb 26, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
its only tampering if Crennel talked to Peyton or his agent
he was giving an interview and said he would be crazy to not look at Manning if he was available
he never made a comment about Manning coming to KC nor did he talk to him
while what he said was risky, its NOT a textbook case of tampering
Detroit went to our player himself, THAT is tampering
by DaleHammers on Feb 26, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Manning and his agent wern't even in Indy the week of the Combine.. Neither was Irsay
They all left town that last I read. They didn’t want to become part of the news cycle for the week.
Crennel couldn’t have talked to Manning at the combine, because Manning wasn’t in Indy to talk to.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Back to reality Mizzou
I quote myself so people know how smart I am. - me
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 25, 2012 5:33 PM CST reply actions
Try not to be too dumb
You just lost by one in overtime and were given every call the entire game. Dont let ur head get too big the entire country saw who the better team was
I think ku won by one.
The better team won. Refs called crap both ways.
I quote myself so people know how smart I am. - me
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 25, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Jayhawks shot 33 free throws to mizzou's 18
and won by 1 in ot. Congrats you defended home court but dont make a bigger deal out of it then it is
Coming back from down 19 to snag a victory in overtime?
All the while grabbing the 8th consecutive big 12 championship against KU’s biggest rival while they were attempting to get the championship themselves. The 8 championships in a row is one of the most dominating achievements in major conference collegiate sports in the past decade. No big deal? Get your free throw stats out of here.
I quote myself so people know how smart I am. - me
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 25, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Take this shit to the appropriate thread. I avoid those threads so I don’t have to put up with asshole KU bullshit after a terrible loss.
if somehow this happened...wow....stanzi can then learn behind manning=awesome as well
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
Yes, because that worked out so well for...
Kelly Holcomb, Steve Walsh, Mark Rypien, Brock Huard, Jim Sorgi, and Curtis Painter….
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
maybe its possible...
that they werent really all that good in the first place?
by DaleHammers on Feb 26, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
isn't it just as possible that Stanzi (a guy that fell to the 5th) isn't either?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
You know this whole thing would not be
unPioli like if the Chiefs were to acquire Peyton Manning. Remember when the Pats acquired the services of Drew Bledsoe? They had a scrub quarterback who was carried as the fourth quarterback on the roster. One Mr. Tom Brady. Brady hardly saw the field and worked his way up to number two behind Bledsoe. Bledsoe got hurt, Brady came in, and the rest as they say is history. What if we acquired the services of Manning and our scrub quarterback Ricki Stanzi WAS able to learn from the master for a couple of years? Interesting, indeed.
"The Hammer"
So Manning is companies ing to KC?
I knew i always loved rac. I think this was a hoopla moment, but whatever. Im 6-7 beers deep, so right now, yes manning is a chief. FREEBIRD!
by Arrowhead25 on Feb 25, 2012 6:59 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
maintain young man the night is still young
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
how many people will sign up for season tickets if peyton manning comes to kc
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
how about a manning jersey then
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 25, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Funny you say that
My 2.7 jersey is a part of my cat’s litter box.
Also, I don’t have a cat.
That is cray-z.
I burnt mine
We are all brothers under the skin, and I for one, would be willing to skin humanity to prove it.
yeah i think the stadium will be full with out your money
yellow seat sell out
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
I think I'm going to like this QB competition this season one way or another
Peyton,Kyle,RG3, or stanzi is going to be giving cassel some heat
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 25, 2012 9:30 PM CST via Android app reply actions
What would the cap hit be if we cut Cassel?
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by Moebuis_34 on Feb 25, 2012 11:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Cassel would be traded not cut IMO
He has value He is actually a prototypical solid backup QB so keeping him on the roster makes sense. He is a solid citizen and team player. But we are still paying him starter money so if we get Manning I see Cassel on the block
by paulredfish on Feb 26, 2012 6:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Manning
I’m getting excited! Montana almost did it!! I think Payton can……. Chiefs are going to the superbowl!
My opinion:
Romeo thinks that Peyton Manning is a great quarterback. That’s it so far.
*Aw come on. Don't leave your Uncle T-Bag hanging. - Dr. Funke
*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.
I also think we're built to play with a lead. (Which Manning would consider)
Two (maybe 3) legit pass rushers and a secondary that would be tough to move the ball on when we know you have to throw. just saying
what would lead you to believe we're built to play with a lead?
When have we ever had a lead long enough to give you that idea? =P
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