How The Chiefs Can Still Make Brandon Carr Useful

by AaronMannicci on Feb 21, 2012 9:22 PM CST

The Signing of Stanford Routt means that Brandon Carr is most likely going to wear another jersey next year, which kills me inside. Carr has been one of my favorite players since day 1, when him and Carr started every game since their rookie year. So, i'm trying to keep my emotions out of this, and I'm not going to make some ridiculous way that the Chiefs would keep Carr. But I do have a very realistic trade that the Chiefs would be able to make, that would help both parties.

Since the Chiefs may not apply the franchise tag to Dwayne Bowe, and sign him long-term, This is how Carr can possibly be traded. The Chiefs will be able to franchise Carr before he hits free agency, since Carr doesn't have to agree to the franchise tag. If this would happen and the Chiefs said that they were going to trade him, teams in need of a CB would be begging for Carr, by offering high, draft picks, and possibly even players to get Carr, since he may be the best possible free agent cornerback available. Teams like the Vikings, Texans, Bills, Bengals, and Titans would be some of the possible teams trying to get Carr, because they all were teams who offered Stanford Routt contracts before he agreed to one with the Chiefs. The Chiefs would realistically be getting around a 2nd round pick, and maybe a 4th or 5th. Carr is an experienced, fast, consistent CB, who will not cost a ton, since the opposing team getting him will have him under contract with the Franchise Tag. You don't come across cornerbacks like this everyday.

This is a fairly realistic trade, and Scott Pioli would be very smart to make this move. I thought I might say, It really kills me seeing Carr leave because I loved seeing him shut down WR's with Brandon Flowers every Sunday, but it would be a stretch to say that there is a way Carr will be a Chief next year. The Chiefs would not be smart to let Carr leave to free agency and not get anything back, and a trade similar to this would be very, very smart. What do you think? Would the Chiefs do this? Or is it a little bit of a stretch? I think it could happen! Carr may not like it since he won't get to pick the team of his choice, but the Chiefs would probably let him have a say in the trade, if they have any respect for him at all. So, there it is. Comment you thoughts and make sure to vote.

Bye Brandon Carr, thanks for 4 great years.

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Do you think GM Scott Pioli would make this move?

Yes

66 votes

No

28 votes

He would, but Carr Will refuse.

16 votes

Yes, but it will be structured a little differently

20 votes

He Will Re-sign Carr and Carr will play for KC next year.

91 votes

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I am not sure of their cap

But Dallas Cowboys may be another destination. Run same defense, badly need corners, have picks to cough up.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 21, 2012 9:43 PM CST reply actions

Same defense?

1 gap, man/blitz heavy 3-4.. not really the same

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 22, 2012 6:00 AM CST up reply actions

Your thinking of Wade Phillips now of the Texans

Ryan and Crennel are all from the Hoodie 3-4 tree and were talkign db’s not d-lineman

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by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 22, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions

Assuming the new CBA allows teams to tag and trade (I don't think it does, though) …

We still have to find a team who needs a CB and has the cap space to pay that much for Carr. The franchise tag will give Carr a hefty one year salary. If we tag him and can’t trade him, then we eat the cash and cap space.

by Jaywalk3r on Feb 21, 2012 10:11 PM CST reply actions

Yup

It is worth the risk imo. The worst case scenario is eating the cash and having 3 great CBs in the secondary. Best case scenario, which is definitely possible, is that there are many teams interested and Chiefs get a second round pick and another late pick.

by andrew33 on Feb 21, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions

I bet he would find somebody. he's agreat cb and plenty teams will bef for him

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 22, 2012 6:11 AM CST up reply actions

Actually

giving Carr the franchise tag would be cheaper than paying his asking price according to whatever numbers people are throwing around because of the new CBA.

His salary with the franchise tag would be $10.6 million.

by manofnothi on Feb 22, 2012 7:19 AM CST up reply actions

I do agree with tagging and trading him and think its a good move but

I like Carr and would defanitely ask him where he wants to go if he doesnt want to be here. Hes been a great player here and I want us to keep a good image

by BSchief on Feb 21, 2012 10:13 PM CST reply actions

When him and Carr played?

Sure its a stretch to say Carr remains in KC, but what if he does? Say he settles for Flowers money? I’m not against flipping him for a pick, especially if its a 1st. But remember, Bowe has to sign first. Most likely he’ll take the franchise tag and make bank this season before signing long term. Let’s wait and see what happens before dreaming all scenarios where Carr lands us the entire draft.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 21, 2012 10:20 PM CST via Android app reply actions

$9.4 million

is what Bowe would make if he settled for the franchise tag. All analysts think he will make at least Santonio Holmes money. Santonio Holmes contract was 5/45. So I would say that $9.4 million is about right in line with what Bowe would make on the open market.

by manofnothi on Feb 22, 2012 7:24 AM CST up reply actions

By staying in KC and creating a trifecta of terror for opposing QBs to face?

How The Chiefs Can Still Make Brandon Carr Useful

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 21, 2012 10:23 PM CST reply actions 3 recs

Why not..

If our defense is gonna be on the field all game, might as well load it up with talent.

"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli

by severn58 on Feb 22, 2012 5:58 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah I know

But Carr probly doesn’t want that and Pioli isn’t going to invest $20 mil. in one positiion that is already stromg.

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 22, 2012 6:12 AM CST up reply actions

Pioli is going to do whatever he and the coaches think gives the Chiefs the best chance to win games

If they think that fielding a kick-ass nickel package of Flowers, Routt, Carr, Lewis, and Berry is the right move for the team, they’ll try to sign Carr.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Feb 22, 2012 6:15 AM CST up reply actions

I'm not so sure about that..

He had already had Bowe, then drafted a WR in the 1st round, then went out and signed Breaston. I think most teams would’ve probably stopped at drafting Baldwin, but he felt it necessary to add another WR, so I could see him stocking up on CB’s too.

"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli

by severn58 on Feb 22, 2012 6:21 AM CST up reply actions

This ^ would be my hope

In a Passer’s league this suggestion has real merit IMO. We have an “at times” stagnant pass rush. With three stout, physical CB’s holding things down, Tebow doesn’t beat us, and we have an edge against Phyllis and Palmer. And that’s just with our division.

I hope this happens. It makes a lot of sense, regardless of the $20-22 Mil cap hit that single position makes. This is going to become the norm in the NFL if the QB’s continue to storm the stat-board.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 22, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions

He's not worth trading for on the tag

when you trade for a player you trade his contract.

Winning

by Foilhat on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 PM CST reply actions

and you don't think a team would give him at least 10 million guaranteed on a new deal?

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 22, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions

It's a one year contract.

Nothing gets pro-rated. That makes it a big cap hit. A lot of teams just don’t have the cap space.

by Jaywalk3r on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 AM CST up reply actions

they can negotiate long-term deals in tag/trades

Like the Cassel situation. The extension was agreed upon before we gave up that pick.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 22, 2012 3:06 AM CST up reply actions

Your facts ruin everybody's fun ;-)

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Feb 22, 2012 6:16 AM CST up reply actions

That was a QB

And that was a horrible trade. If I have a one year 10 mil deal, and you want to extend me 3 more years for a total of 4 years 28 million with 10 guaranteed. I would laugh at you. Play the one year and then sign a fat deal. The extension’s total guaranteed money has to be significant compared with the tag for it to make financial sense. It’s just math dont be scared

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by Foilhat on Feb 22, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions

Nick Wright talked to Carr, and now this makes it pretty officiall he won't come back.

Here is what he said: (@bcarr39 is brandon carr)

Just talked with @BCarr39. He knows what today (likely) means for him in KC, understands it’s a business, touched by all the love from fans.

Does that sum it up for everyone?

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 22, 2012 3:48 PM CST reply actions

I dont think anyone could really think he was a option to resign after getting routt with very good odds.

just doesnt make a whole lot of sense financially and kind of a waste when you got other holes way more important. routt gives you about the same if not the same or better production as carr half the price, no need to beg for carr back. If he was to come back that would be extra credit I guess but no need for a debate about if he would fit or if they should go spend the money to get him knowing they already got routt.

by chad unit on Feb 22, 2012 9:05 PM CST reply actions