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2011 Chiefs Do Over


HC-In hindsight maybe Pioli should have fired Haley at the end of 2010 and reained Charlie Weiss as OC and moved Romeo to HC. What Pioli could have done also was provide greater oversight and require Haley to have offered Chris Palmer (TitansOC, Patriots wr coach 93=95, Pats qb coach 96, Jags oc 97-98, HC Browns 1999-2000, Texans OC 2002-2005, Cowboysqb coach 2006, Giantsqb coach 2007-2008) the OC job instead of Muir. Haley did offer Palmer the qb coaching job which Palmer declined (probably after roflao over hiring Bill Muir as OC).



Star-divide

Throw in Pioli sitting back while Haley flushed the limited pre-season down the drain and you see what a miracle it was we finished 7-9. Lets take a look though at what is u Pioli's responsibility, the draft:

Trading back and picking up a 3rd rd pick gets an A. Jonathan Baldiwn's disappearing act year one gets an F. Redo?

26. Andy Dalton, QB TCU. The end of the 2010 season should have been a sign that Matt Cassel is not the answer. Dalton had a decent rookie season. We even scouted him last offseason and had he fallen a little further we may have taken him. This would have truly brought "competition" to Cassel's plate and ended his Sacred Cow status.

58. Torrey Smith, WR Maryland, drafted by Pioli's old running buddy Ozzie Newsome. Smith managed to avoid fights and db's while snagging 50 catches and 7 tds, not that the Ravens are pass happy but not bad. Team him with Dwayne Bowe and we can only imagine what may have been.

70. Justin Houston OLB Georgia......NO CHANGES!! Pioli got it right on this one no second guessing here.

86. Allen Bailey DE Miami...see above, may have been other players I would have liked to have seen but Bailey is lite years ahead of where Alex Magee and Tyson Jackson were 2 years ago....hmmm you and you shouldn't draft 3-4 DE's at the top of the draft because you can find them later?

118. Jalil Brown DB Colorado, again see above, Brown didn't play alot but wasn't a bad pick, raw bit has good size and some Bronco fans gave a good review.

135. Ricky Stanzi, QB Iowa, as seen from my other pos I feel very strongly about bringing in kids/young gun slingers by the bushels until we find our guy. Stanzi was projected much higher and is a decent pick here.

140. Evan Royster, RB Penn St, Imagine a RB in a ZBS scheme that averaged 5.6yds per carry with Roysters size. His numbers are not schewed by one long run, this pick would have also been used to pack Thomas Jones's bags even if we had to eat his $3mil contract and his so called "leadership".

199. Chris Neild, NT West Virginia. Powe may show us something yet but Neild played in 15 games.

224. Anthony Allen, RB Georgia Tech, we scouted this guy and yet took some guy from Yale that never saw the field. Allen could be a hybrid FB/RB like Jackie Battle or Le'Ron McClain and once again a player Pioli passed on his old running buddy Newsome pounced?

End result? Not hard to see at least 9-7, AFC West champs and how we gave the Steelers a fit with Palko at QB no doubt we could have beaten them with Dalton or Stanzi. This would also free up this draft to get O-line and possibly safety depth and ILB. Your thoughts?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Feb 22, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Read it again

I said they are both brought back. But Cassel would have had alot more and better competition. Clows like Tyler Palko should have never been on the roster.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 21, 2012 7:42 PM CST reply actions  

But a first round QB doesn't make sense after that season

I doubt Dalton falls that far in a re-draft anywats

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 21, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

…and Houston isn’t around in the 3rd round either.

by craig in calgary on Feb 21, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

But in a re-draft

He’d probably get picked by the Vikings instead of Ponder.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 21, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Not going that extreme

And I am just looking at what the Chiefs could have done based on who was available at the time we drafted.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 21, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

A 1st rd QB makes lots of sense

After the debcle we saw against the Raiders and Ravens to end the year. How could it be any more clearer? Cassel was not a SB caliber qb

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 21, 2012 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

A 1st round QB does make lots of sense

I’ve been saying that for years, but picking a “meh” QB from the Mountain West Conference after Cassel had a good year was never going to happen.

by craig in calgary on Feb 21, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

There was nothing on the line for the Raiders game, totally meaningless.

The O-Line got manhandled by the Raiders and the Ravens. How exactly is that Cassel’s fault?

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Feb 22, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Im not sure Dalton is that much better then Cassel

He had a good rookie year but other then the flaming red hair he looks like our QB when he plays.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 7:58 PM CST reply actions  

Give Dalton another year or two

And we will know for sure what he is. We know already what we have and more importatnly dont have with Matt orton and Kyle Cassel.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 21, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he's got a better arm

He’s adjusting to a pro scheme, and its nice to have a #1 WR as good as Green.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 21, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

With a better run game and Bowe-Breaston-Torrey Smith and even Moeki in the mix that would be fun to watch.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 21, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Not even mentioning

Having a real OC. Palmer isn’t the greatest but way ahead of Muir as a playcaller. Of course Haley would want to fire him by years end anyway.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 21, 2012 8:13 PM CST reply actions  

Well it's too late

And funny thing about hindsight…. especially when you know how every player already played in 2011.

And the comment about how Cassel played at the end of 2010… does it count that the O-Line was atrocious against Oakland and Baltimore or is that all on Cassel. Because in 2010, I recall Cassel being a pretty good QB who had 1 second to throw in those two games.

by Steve_in_RI on Feb 21, 2012 10:26 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

One draft pick that confused me was Gabe Miller.

Did anyone even know who this guy was? I know he got hurt but I wonder if we couldve gotten him later or even as an UDFA. Im a little anxious to see what he’s got this preseason.

by chiefFANatic on Feb 21, 2012 10:35 PM CST reply actions  

Dammit, I wanted Torrey Smith

I thought he was exactly what the offense needed: a deep threat to take the top off of the defense and open up the middle a bit more for Bowe and Moeaki. Of course, that may have not made a difference with Flassel limp wristing the QB position into embarrassment in KC

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 22, 2012 3:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Do over?

Still trade down with the Browns, then trade down with the Saints as they want Ingram and still get their 2012 1st and 2011 2nd

28-Dalton
55-Hudson
56-Little
70-Houston
118-Delone Carter
135-Denarius Moore
140-Pernell McPhee
199-Powe
223-Preston Dial

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 24, 2012 6:31 AM CST reply actions  

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