KC Chiefs Salary Cap Explained
Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli talked with 810 WHB's The Border Patrol on Tuesday morning and clarified some of the confusion surrounding the Chiefs salary cap. ESPN and others have reported the Chiefs as having $63 million in cap space.
That's accurate -- sort of. It's the correct number as of this moment. But, as Pioli explains, it will change quickly. Like this week.
"Here's what happens," Pioli told Steven St. John and Nate Bukaty. "At this point in time, the NFL has not completely reconciled the cap for 2012. And what I mean by saying that is that any incentives that were earned by players for teams in 2011 -- and let's just say a player had a Pro Bowl incentive in their contract for $200,000 -- because that happens after the season and all incentives in 2011 are reconciled during the month February, that isn't yet showing against the 2012 cap that's on the books with the league office where these people get their numbers from.
"The other thing that happens is any players that have Paragraph 5 escalators, which are base salary escalators, for the 2012 sason, even if that triggered back in 2010, 2009 or this past season, those numbers aren't showing against the cap yet."
But, as Pioli explains, that number will change quickly.
"In our case, it was showing that we had $63 million in cap space," Pioli continued. "The reality is that, that's true in that moment but, on the first day of the league year, the number of escalators and bonuses from last year will be netted out.
"So say for instance, what we have is $63 million in cap space showing with the league. However, there are $18 million in escalators that seven different players have earned -- contracts on some players that were done four years ago -- but even though they triggered, it hasn't been netted against the cap yet.
"So we've got $18 million in escalators, another $5 million of incentives that were earned last season that will count against that, plus what we don't have is our restricted free agent tenders. What that number is, is approximately $25 million against the $63 million that isn't showing yet."
He says that the $63 million dollar in cap space is accurate -- as of today. But by the time the league year starts in March, that number will change drastically. Pioli said $25 million in escalators and incentives, which puts the number at $38 million. The KC Star did the math on all this earlier in the week and showed that it's really closer to $37 million, so close enough.
The salary cap is kinda like taxes -- the system is so confusing that only a small percentage of people truly understand it.
Unless you play with those big calculators all day and call yourself a tax accountant like Ms. Primetime.
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The Star article said that even at $37 million, that would be one of the lowest numbers under the cap in the league.
But at least it looks like they are being fairly aggressive in FA.
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When everything shakes out we'll still be at the top of the league for most cap space available.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
All these escalators and bonuses also apply to other teams.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
"fairly aggressive"
Yeah I would say so LOL.. I mean we just went and signed one of the only guys out there right now haha.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
But we did it aggressively!
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
My point being that we’ve been about as aggressive as it gets so far.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Just b/c you have money
Doesn’t mean you toss it around like it’s nothing. If Carr wants to be a Chief – prespective needs to settle in. He is the 3rd best DB on the team behind Flo/Berry. It would be foolish for the Chiefs to pay him that kind of money and it would be foolish for Carr to think he should get that kind of money from KC. If he wants to be a Chief – take the significant upgrade in salary that I am sure Pioli has offered or test the market. I think Carr is great, but there are much much much more greater needs on the Chiefs than giving your 3rd best DB big time money… especially after signing Routt. Have at it ladies.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Have at it ladies.
Says the body shaving swimmer.
/just sayin
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
That is pretty stupid
you have never trained before… have you.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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I work on my ping pong game damn near everyday...
and still I don’t need to borrow my girlfriend’s razor nor do I call people “ladies”
You know whats stupid? Player hatin on someone who has clearly earned a pay raise.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Player hatin?
haha… I remember terms like “prickish” and “maroon” (I think he meant moron) thrown at me… knew you guys were going to come complaining about my Carr comment on this post like a bunch of girls – I was right.
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by SwimCoach on Feb 21, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i believe that ups meant maroon...ala buggs f'n bunny...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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It was a stupid comment
So yeah, people will have something to say about it.
Dogging a guy when we have no idea what’s going on in the negotiations is stupid. Just like it’s stupid to dog Pioli at this point with regards to Carr.
The guy massively outplayed his rookie deal but never complained, never threatened to hold out (like many would have). I don’t see any reason to turn on him.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
didn't turn on him
Love Carr. If he doesn’t take what is offered by people like Routt did… then peace out. No big deal.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Except that's not what you said to him
What you said was deilberately antagonistic.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Man
Thanks guys for walking me through this. I see the light now. Dear Carr, so sorry for questioning your loyalty to the Chiefs. I see now that $ is more important than team. THANKS AP!!
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
I didn't see much wrong with what you said, personally.
I mean Flowers took just under 10 million a year.
If Carr was expecting more than that then I’m sorry but its just not going to happen here. Maybe a team without Berry and Flowers will buy a new Carr for sky high, but if he cared that much about staying in KC he would be reasonable about his contract like other players have been.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 21, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Good to know you got my point
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
However you wanna put it
It was an asshole thing to say to someone that you don’t know. Have some fuckin class
by KCinIL on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, it was embarrassing to a lot of Chiefs fans.
I’d expect it out of one of the teenagers that run around this site but not out of a grown man. Plus, it really is jumping to conclusions. There is still tons of time for them to negotiate a contract. No need to jump the gun attacking a guy who has show this organization plenty of class.
rest assured, if Carr now leaves, it's all your fault.
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by MountainManMike on Feb 22, 2012 4:13 AM CST up reply actions
sorry
you guys are so thin skinned. Get over it. One guys opinion. Doesn’t represent every Chiefs fan out there. Some fans probably agree with me that Carr is asking for too much and if he doesn’t want to come back to realty and sign a decent deal – then peace out.
I was sick of hearing him complain about his contract so I said something back to him. Don’t like it – then ignore it.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
What did he say about his contract?
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by MountainManMike on Feb 22, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
I am a Chiefs fan
just like you guys. I go to the stadium and cheer just like you all. I get just as upset when they lose…. but if I think a player is overthinking his worth, I wll say so. If you don’t like it, tough.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
by SwimCoach on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't have to disrespect people like Carr or other members of this forum because you're unhappy with something
people bash on each other left and right on this thing
move on.
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Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
oh i will move on after this comment
it’s was just such asinine comment you made to Carr on twitter and then going on with a condescending tone to everyone else with “have at it ladies” that I had to provide my input whether you care or not.
I didn't see him bash Carr
he just stated what a hundred other guys have said, only the have at ladies comment brought on HIV’s ire.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
No. The Carr bashing was him on Twitter, as has been pointed out several times already.
@BCarr39 sounds like Routt is more of a Chief then you. Enjoy the market – we want guys that actually take pride in the Red/Gold, not $.
That was SwimCoach talking to Carr on Twitter.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Okay, didn't see that
that would be a dick thing to say.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
The good news is, Carr is twice the man by responding only, "Sorry u feel that way"
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
so let me get this straight
I can’t say “have at it ladies” but you can make references to a group of the toughest trainers/toughest athletes in the world to being “girls” b/c they shave during taper time?
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Too much water in your head?
No, I’m just pointing out the irony in a leg shaver calling a group of people “ladies”
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You've obviously never shaved.
I swam for 20 years and it’s pretty awesome.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I've done my fair share of splashing around
doing cannonballs, playing a little pool bball, maybe some chicken fights.
None of that compares to intense ping pong training where one must push their mind and body to the brink of insanity. All with the hinderance of body hair.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Ah but have you ever "splashed around" after shaving?
It’s in another stratosphere.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just pointing out
that you take offense to me saying “ladies” yet you can attempt to rip on swimmers and it is all good?
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
I don't take offense to shit
Just pointing out the irony in your attempted dis
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
i'm just pointing out
you failed horribly trying to mock swimmers. Doesn’t work.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
I disagree
It was an excellent job of pointing out the irony in a man who shaves his legs calling others ladies.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
This was one of the most bizarre and awesome convo threads I've seen in a while.
Fricking hilarious.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
by Tomahawk29 on Feb 21, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
woah now
underwater basketweavers have to shave themselves for primetime
Actually it was completely successful
And the fact that you keep talking about it shows that it touched a nerve.
Possibly your need to compensate for something else explains why you feel it necessary to antagonize a player like Carr.
All of this says much more about you than Carr or anyone else.
by kcsno56 on Feb 21, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I manscape...
The ladies love it :)
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As well you should!
You were 3 chromosomes from full ManBearPig, Nair that shit man!

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That looks like it itches.
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He looks like he's at piece with it.
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Too funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by MountainManMike on Feb 22, 2012 4:17 AM CST up reply actions
Even though as a swimmer myself who doesn't shave his legs...
I have every right to make fun of swimmers who do shave their legs…especially with the new speedo pretty much full body suits they make now.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Feb 22, 2012 4:41 AM CST up reply actions
did not read
@BCarr39 sounds like Routt is more of a Chief then you. Enjoy the market – we want guys that actually take pride in the Red/Gold, not $.
you have no idea what you are talkig about.
For the chiefs to resign carr we would have to guarantee about 90 percent of his new contract. The chiefs put themselfs behind the 8 ball on this one by the way they wrote his original contract. They are only able to give him a 30 percent raise per year. Which he was making just over 550k last year.. so 30 percent does what like 175k more. he deserves closer to 30 million for 4 or 5 years and we cant write that kind of contract. Go check out cars twitter. He is always talking of local sports and the community. He is prob more of a chief and the kind of player we want more than most people on the team. Research a little before you start bashing a good decent man thats doing the exact thing anyone else would be if they were in his shoes. You sound a little to excited about Routt considering he was the most pentalized corner in the league last year and is 3 years older than Carr.. If you ask me we are losing a very pi-vital part of our team.
by Curtis Bates on Feb 21, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
You know RomeosBBC is quoting Swimcoach right?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
And the 30% raise isn’t limited to the Chiefs, that is any team that signs him. It’s not a hard rule to get around, like I posted in the thread about it. They just have to give him fat signing bonuses and easy escalators which don’t count towards that 30%.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
nothing wrong with body shavin swimmers
you got another one right here. May I ask where you coach?
haha
Man, don’t you love when people outside of swimming try to make fun of swimmers for shaving. Really? Haha… besides wrestlers, by far the hardest trainers out there.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
agreed
here at my college we train the most hours, and second is not even close
what school do you swim for?
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
is it difficult
to coordinate which username to post under?
by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
And people laughed at me when I suggested that the team would come out and tell us this....
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 21, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
This was actually a pretty smart PR move...
It is information that would be out in a week, we just signed a guy, the FA period is about to begin… Jump out and just tell us. Well done and I am glad they did it and actually elaborated on it. Not just a simple answer.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Pioli and Hunt have been shockingly up front this offseason.
I’m beginning to wonder if the Babb piece and/or the Haley debacle has caused them to re-evaluate their PR strategy a little bit.
Actually, now that I think about it, didn’t they hire a new PR rep a few months ago?
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Yep new PR guy.
Could be a little of both.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Lets find out
Someone leave a gum wrapper lying on the floor at Arrowhead.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 21, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Me? Sarcasm? Neverrrr
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think Pioli is handling things perfectly so far.
He wants to keep Carr but is not willing to giving him the ridiculous monster deal that he may get from some desperate team, and signed Routt as an insurance policy or depth if they’re able to bring Carr back, though “depth” may be misleading since it’s a position that you need 3 good players at now more than ever.
Except when the ''depth'' could cost 20 mil and is an outside man coverage cb ONLY
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 21, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Not impossible that someone gets moved though.
Piolis quotes today could very well be all lip service but moving Arenas to safety and having Carr/Routt on the outside with Flowers manning the slot would be something.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Flowers has almost never covered the slot, never moved from the left side
So Routt would either be getting torched from the slot or on the bench
This is with Carr staying with the Chiefs and Routt being the #3
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 21, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
I think of all the guys though Flowers is the most likely to be moved to the slot like what they did in GB with Woodson
It would allow us to play alot more man on the outside. Just a thought because either someone is getting moved or Pioli is blowing smoke.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I like the idea of Flowers in the slot matching up with the quick/good route running guys
I just don’t see it happening. If Flowers did follow the #1 around the field then I would say that is what would happen. Flowers would move to the slot and Routt would then take the outside, but just doesn’t seem likely to me.
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Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 21, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
As per the yahoo interview Joel just posted, Routt has quite a bit of experience playing the slot as well.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but Raider fans say he sucks in the slot
Not sure I remember seeing him there.. so I’ll go off what they say
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 21, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
except the 'depth' wouldn't really be depth?
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by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Above
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 21, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
okay?
it isn’t my job to figure out all the details.
It’s just been reported ad nauseam that we’re in a nickel/dime more than half the snaps of a game on D. That would make him a starter. Who plays what is above my pay grade.
I just know that we face a lot of teams deep with WRs…
And if the end goal is to face the Giants, Packers, Saints etc in the SB, you better have more than three talented DBs.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Unless you are paying Flowers 50 mil, Carr the same, Routt 20 mil.. and none can work in the slot
I replied with the ’’depth’’ comment since Carr would be brought back. So yes it doesn’t make much sense from that angle unless someone knows Flowers can play the slot.. which is a big unknown to anyone just watching the games since he almost never leaves the left side.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 21, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Routt's contract makes it very easy for the Chiefs to just walk away after this season
in fact, with only a $3.3M hit in 2012, but an average hit of $8.1M in 2013 and 2014, Routt’s contract makes me believe Pioli. It makes Routt like like a safety net incase Carr walks.
I understand not knowing if a player can play a position. I get the argument. On the flip side, it is essentially a one year, $3.3M experiment if Carr re-signs. If it works, then you have around $30-$35M tied up in cap for your starting secondary.
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by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Much better than dropping 4 million or so on 4 other players
We can drop that on 3 players that cost 390,000 per year and groom em up
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 21, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Routt looked great as a "2nd CB" for Raiders and got a big pay day worth $31 Million for 3 years.
After a so so year and cut for obvious Cap vs Value reasons he signs for about #20 Mil for 3 years for Chiefs and will go back to a #2 CB. Looks good for Chiefs. We may tag and trade Carr for a 2nd rounder or may collect as high as a three if we loose Carr…. (TBD)….. Looks like Pioli is doing due diligence. Fact is that Routt has good experience in AFC West, is fast (one time dash record holder at Combine) and has good height (6’1"). Looks like good value and a smart move. If we lose Carr,we may see another 3rd Cover CB picked up in draft in a 3rd , 4th or 5th round. Can’t have too many quality DBs.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
nobody's giving up picks for Carr
I don’t see the Chiefs being able to afford him, either. Routt was his nail in the coffin, unfortunately. I really hope Routt pans out here because Carr was pretty damn good, better than Flowers a lot of the time and he really improved his ball skills this year. I’m going to miss him.
"better than Flowers a lot of the time"
last year. It’s one year. Flowers has been excellent most of his career. One year doesn’t change that.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Carr and Flowers are about equal in terms of coverage.
Carr has worse awareness and still doesn’t get his head around all the time.
Flowers is smaller and slower, and doesn’t stick with his guy quite as well.
Both are very good coverage corners.
However, the difference emerges in run support and tackling ability. Flowers is one of the best tacklers in the NFL, while Carr is average.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
so is he saying that's not that much money
to start a season with….or it is?!
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It is. Probably be 2nd or 3rd most money in the league.
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by theothertonyg on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Just saw that the redskins are supposedly
are extremely interesting in making a run for manning or RG3. They may be a big competition for us in getting either QB. I doubt well get either , but still .
I've given up hope on both of them.
RGIII will be a fight between Cleveland and Washington, and I’ve never really been under the impression that we could or would try to land Manning.
by old_school on Feb 21, 2012 11:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand why everyone believes the Browns will give up on Colt McCoy
that team has so many holes to fill….even with RG III, they’d have nearly the same problem that they do with McCoy (he has nobody to throw to).
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Except they'd have someone less crappy with nobody to throw to.
QB is the hardest position to fill, so you don’t wait for when it’s convenient. You have to jump on the opportunity when you can. Those other holes can be filled a lot easier.
Is Colt McCoy crappy or is the team around him crappy?
I guess that is the question. I only watch the Browns go down my toilet bowl, so I have no idea.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
The team around him is pretty crappy, though.
He’s really got no receivers and the running game he was supposed to have with Peyton Hillis never materialized either. I think he’s played well enough to get a second full year as a starter.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
That's not really the point, though.
Yeah, as of right now, he probably deserves another shot. But not at the expense of going after a franchise QB in the draft.
Don't fool yourself....the Chiefs have a lot of holes left to fill as well
…G
….RT
…..2nd RB
…….NT
……..2nd ILB
………depth EVERYWHERE.
We might be closer to complete than the Browns, but that is not saying much.
Pioli has done a much better job stocking up on players than I could have (or did) dream about when he took over. While his 1st draft was lack-luster, so was just about every other team in the NFL (was not a great draft by anyone’s standards). Since that 1st draft he has done a great job, both in finding FA upgrades (at reasonable prices…he didn’t break the bank so to speak), and via the draft.
if we wait to take a qb
by the time the qb develops, all our older players will be past prime and we’ll have to fill their spots. a team is never complete. we really only need g, rt, and nt. the other spots can be filled with late draft picks
So if we have these issues - $20 mil+ in escalators
It stands to reason that other teams much closer to the cap also have these issues. I am already beginning to hear strains on the Steelers, the Ravens and a couple of other teams. This may shake out more quality players in Free Agency than we previously thought. Right now, the Right tackle pool is kind of shallow, but that may change quickly.
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by InamedmypuppyDexter on Feb 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions
She still uses a calculator....
GET HER EXCEL FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
They were suggesting it was 36 mill on sirius nfl but close enough.
They still have players to sign, draft picks to sign, so where will they be at the end of it all? I have no idea but, I am sure glad we are not in the same situation as Oakland. They have been letting (quality) players go because of cap issues and from what they said on Sirius nfl, they have more cuts to make in order to comply with NFL cap rules. It sounds like Oakland is in a very bad situation and is getting worse. At least they traded away their early picks so they don’t have to worry about that.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
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Can someone please rank our DB's
I would say it goes Berry, Flowers, Carr, Lewis, Arenas.
That makes Carr #3 on the list.. not worth paying big bucks too. Rather put that money into a QB, NT, TE, OT/OG.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 21, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
now
can I recieve a serious answer?
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Gotcha
so you are saying you agree – Carr is the 3rd best man in the secondary for KC
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
so I'm saying you're not going to get a serious answer
Was it that hard to figure out?
I mean, it was just three little words.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
1. Berry
2. Flowers
3. Carr
That’s the top three right there. It’s tough to compare a free safety and a nickel corner who have each just finished their second year. But yes probably 4. Lewis and 5. Arenas.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 21, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
nope... not hard to figure out
pathetic you can’t give an honest answer.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
The guy made a Sabby joke.
You asked if you could get a serious answer.
I said no. (Which, ironically, was a serious answer).
What part of all that is so tough to keep up with?
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Taking no prisoners today, SC?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
haha
yep… I think people went to the pitch forks WAY to early on my comment to Carr. If they step back and see that he is wanting #1 DB money for being a #3 DB on the team… my comment makes sense. He is all about the money and not the red/gold right now. Not saying he doesn’t love KC, but his mind is on BIG BIG $ vs. BIG $ + Loyalty to a team.
People just need to get over it and Carr shouldn’t have responded to me either. I was just sick of seeing him make remarks about the contract.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Carr can be considered a #1 CB considering he does cover his fair share of them since Flowers does not shadow them
Sorry that on twitter everyone does not cater to you and only post what you want to see
I was just sick of seeing him make remarks about the contract.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 21, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
It's okay.. no hard feelings
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Who would you rather have
Pick 2: Flowers / Carr / Berry
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
It depends for what
Not going to ask Berry to play CB, not going to ask Carr to play SS
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 21, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
they are all secondary players
Which 2 would you keep. Not asking Berry to play CB (although he could). Just asking which 2 players in the secondary you would keep.
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Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
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Yes they are all DBs but they do different things
If I could only have 2? Likely Carr and Flowers, and this is coming from a huge Berry fan as you know.
We saw what Berry could do 1 year, have seen a lot more out of Carr and Flowers.
Berry might not be the same after the ACL with the way he cuts/explodes
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 22, 2012 5:47 AM CST up reply actions
wow.
Gonna hold that to you. Berry will be the best of the 3 by a landslide.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
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Go ahead
I have been the biggest Berry supporter on AP, the first person to even bring him up in draft discussion IIRC.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 22, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Joel knows
who the biggest EB homer is on the team.
Again – I am a Carr fan… I just believe he is the 3rd best DB on the team and we already have a bunch of money wrapped up in Flo/Berry. Would much rather spend that money on a NT/OLine/QB/BackupRB and if he is not willing to take a contract closer to what Routt got – then by all means… move on.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Homer =/= supporter
Whatever floats your boat.. group them as DBs if that makes yourself feel better. They are not equal nor comparable.
It’s like trying to toss DJ in with the DBs because he covers.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Not at all
That DJ comment doesn’t support you at all.
Conversation is over… you are always right. Moving on.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
You're angry with Carr for responding to your direct comment to him?
Chlorine kills brain cells, I suppose.
And why exactly is it Carr’s fault that you have him ranked as the #3 DB on the team?
I’ll be completely upfront with you. Nothing bothers me more about ‘fans’ than those that don’t want players to make the money they deserve to on the open market. If he would be another team’s #1 DB, why should he take far less money to stay here? You also can make a very easy argument that Carr was the #1 DB on this team last year, despite the SwimCoach power rankings.
I don’t know if or where you work, but if you were offered twice as much money to go to a competing company, you would take it. You can act like you wouldn’t (b/c you aren’t getting the offer) but you, me and pretty much everyone would take the money. It has nothing to do with how much he ‘loves’ the Chiefs, it has to do with being a proffesional. He’s a proffesional athlete.
It’s not greedy, it’s common sense. We also don’t know the details as everyone has pointed out, we don’t know what was offered or what Carr was asking for, I do know if he can get $12-14 mil on the open market, as some have hypothesized, and he would’ve accepted Routt’s deal of far less than half of that, it wouldn’t be loyal, it would be moronic.
Don’t ask someone to turn down what could be $30+ million dollars over the life of the contact…and don’t act like a teenager on twitter…unless you actually are one, then…I guess just live and learn. But judging by your defensive posture on all of this, I’m guessing you’ll go around hounding more of your ‘favorite’ athletes and giving ‘fans’ a bad name.
by kcsno56 on Feb 21, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
good post.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
I think people went to the pitch forks WAY to early on my comment to Carr.
Your attempts to spin your comments as anything other than an insult are pathetic and people see through it. Keep trying to convince yourself, though.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I like the move
No one of us knows for sure what is going on with the contract negotiations. To me it appears Bowe and Carr thought they had the upper hand. Pioli saw an opportunity to mitigate a pontential overpay or lose situation. Now Bowe sings or gets tagged and Carr might walk. I like the precident this sets. Pioli has shown he will pay fair market value but he won’t get backed in a corner and over pay.
I would love to see Bowe signed, Carr signed and Orton tagged. It would be a bold move and we have our QB competion we wanted. We would be set up nicely for BPA in the draft. Not to mention we would have a few players we could trade for the right price.
by loyal Chief fan on Feb 21, 2012 2:09 PM CST reply actions
so if the Chiefs have $37 mil over the cap before they signed Routt. I would like to think they have at least $30-$32 mill left.
And if the NFL increases the cap—they could even more. Even with 9 mill hit from Bowe and cap friendly 9 mill yr deal on Carr still leaves the Chiefs with around 16-19 mil. Take away 5 mill for rookies and they still can have 12 mill worst case scenerio cap space to sign others.
by NFL season ticket holder on Feb 21, 2012 8:48 PM CST reply actions

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