Chiefs GM: Stanford Routt Signing Doesn't Impact Brandon Carr
by Joel Thorman on Feb 21, 2012 8:41 AM CST
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PrintShortly after hearing the news that the Kansas City Chiefs had signed CB Stanford Routt, the reaction by many fans was that this means the end of the Brandon Carr era in Kansas City.
That's not necessarily the case, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli told Steven St. John and Nate Bukaty on 810 WHB this morning.
"I'll say this," Pioli said, "the signing of Stanford Routt does not impact where we're at with Brandon Carr. As a matter of fact, Romeo [Crennel] and I both reached out to Brandon yesterday as this was unfolding and talked to him. I spoke personally with Brandon, and without getting into the details of that conversation, but he knows, and he's known before, he's someone we want to keep here, and he's still someone we want to keep a Chief.
"This signing doesn't eliminate the feelings that we have for Brandon and how we want to have him here. He knows that. He wants to be here. We want him here. If both sides find a deal that makes sense for one another, we'd love to have Brandon back."
"This happens every year," Pioli said, "there's a couple players, or a player or two, that are good, quality players that end up on the street and they're available prior to free agency and you have an opportunity to make a decision or not.
"Knowing where we're at with the cap situation and knowing some of the plans and things that might happen with our roster...we want to try and keep Brandon here. Nothing was done yet so we saw an opportunity with a player on a very fair contract who really wanted to be a Chief. And we thought it would be a good marriage."
Pioli and Carr's camp will continue talking in the hopes of getting something done. I doubt something does happen, but they won't cut off communications.
Pioli also recognized that the Chiefs are playing with fire by signing Routt, who is a former Raider.
"Him being a former Raider," Pioli said of Routt, "we're trying to clean up his life a little bit and get him out here as a Kansas City Chief. We're trying to make an honest man out of him!" (Yes, of course he was kidding.)
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I’ll say this," Pioli said, "the signing of Stanford Routt does not impact where we’re at with Brandon Carr.
Brandon Carr has been replaced in our starting lineup
He wants to be here. We want him here. If both sides find a deal that makes sense for one another, we’d love to have Brandon back.
Brandon’s a great kid and we wish him luck wherever he goes, and he’s welcome to stay here as long as he doesn’t care about actually getting paid
This happens every year," Pioli said, "there’s a couple players, or a player or two, that are good, quality players that end up on the street …
and Brandon Carr is going to be one of those players
Knowing where we’re at with the cap situation and knowing some of the plans and things that might happen with our roster…we want to try and keep Brandon here.
but it’s not going to happen so prepare to be disappointed
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by upamtn on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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upatmn – I disagree with the Chiefs signing Routt and not paying Carr whatever he was asking.
by fongKC on Feb 21, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
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i have a strong, purely emotional, attachment to brandon carr and nothing short of signing him to a 50 year 9,000,000,000 dollar deal will be okay with me. If we go one dollar under 9 billion then he will have given us a home team discount, and we should be eternally thankful for what he has done. carr is clearly the best cornerback to ever play the game of football and letting him go is clearly the worst thing of all time.
by swimcris on Feb 21, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
last year Pioli was excoriated on here
because he didn’t foresee Berry being injured all year and not having sufficient depth to cover for it.
Now he’s being excoriated again, for having too much depth.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
by kabrink on Feb 21, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
There is nothing Pioli can do
short of signing Tom Brady with Aaron Rodgers as #2 and Peyton Manning as #3 QB that will satisfy the pitchfork and torch crowd.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
So what...Pioli signs Brady, Rodger, and Manning....but he didn't / hasn't signed a NT. Pioli sucks.
Is my sarcasm font working?
Either of them have potential at Safety?
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by woodman212 on Feb 21, 2012 8:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I read that as dildo at first glance
I think you mean “ditto”
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2012 Resolution: To establish a better cravat collection than anyone else on AP.
2012 Wish: Chiefs Super Bowl
Does that even really matter?
Not like Berry and Lewis aren’t doing the job.
Carr could be.
Good point.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
I've always thought Carr would be a fantastic safety
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Um, if Carr could be then why not Routt?
Routt is bigger and faster than Carr, so how is this one and not the other?
The point is, they are both CBs. Could they play some safety? Yeah, they each have the size to do that if there was a need for them to.
But just because you put Carr at safety on Madden doesn’t mean it would work that way in real life.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Madden
is not “real life”? I’m crushed….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa! Was that some humor from the Ice Don?
Easy Scotty! Don’t show your passion for the team. You will make all those that have deemed you Satan himself repent
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 8:46 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Also said
That he grew up a Yankee hater and when he first met George Brett they talked some trash on the Yankees.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 21, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Nice. The common denominator for all non-New Yorkers: hating the Yankees
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 8:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Actually he grew up in New York.
According to the interview.
What's the difference between jelly and jam?
So even New Yorkers hate the Yankees? Figures
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 9:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've spent a goodly chunk of my life in NYC
And I absolutely hate the Yankees.
Sadly, I’m a Mets fan and am participating in a 12-step program to deal with that.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Which of the 12 steps...
…calls for being a Chiefs fan!?! Sounds like you might need a new therapist.
I love my boys in Red, but I’ve never really considered an eight-ball as a cure for hitting the bottle. ;)
People say nothing is impossible, but they're wrong. I do nothing all the time.
by juvatbull on Feb 21, 2012 10:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, apparently I hate winning
Chiefs fan and Mets fan.
My Rangers are lighting up the NHL this year though and are uncharacteristically not-mediocre. So that’s comforting for a change.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Heard George Brett is a bit of a prick
I’d like to talk some shit on some division rivals with Marty
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 8:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
cosign...
lets go chill with marty…
Chiefs | Penguins | Royals | Tigers
Yes... I do coach for the CHIEFS... --->
I love coachin, but my greatest accomplishments are not the wins, or losses, or even an undefeated season. My greatest accomplishment is knowing I took a kid from 4th grade to 7th grade, and gave him the confidence to which he can play at a high level when he goes off to play 8th grade ball for his school, and that he can become a better student, a better friend, and a better man with hard work and dedication.
Brett is a bit of a prick.
Saw him absolutely trashed in a bar in Brookside in the eighties and he was quite an ass. Alcohol can do that to you, so I’ll give him a bit of a pass, but man, he had quite the mouth that night.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Remember, we did just hire a new PR guy.
Dont be surprised if we start seeing a lot more of these “personal” quips from the Don. But make no mistake, each line is just as scripted as the last.
My mistake
I didn’t realize the script called for talking shit on a division rival. Good PR move. Well played move in the game of chess between Pioli and everyone else
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 8:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
We're all pawns
Never forget that
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
No conspiracy here
just basic business practice.
Pioli is just taking the Routt less traveled in free agency.
Awaiting my punishment.
by BigRedChief on Feb 21, 2012 8:47 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
But he will soon be traveling by cab as he is getting rid of his Carr.
by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets wrap this day up with a Bowe
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
It won't be as long as you aren't Jones-ing for a resolution
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 9:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pioli just wants to
B-Rich with quality Free Agents.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Hope I don't Palko the next meeting I'm going into!
2012 Goal: Be invited to Lady Buttercup's spring ball.
2012 Resolution: To establish a better cravat collection than anyone else on AP.
2012 Wish: Chiefs Super Bowl
Hopefully we end up
Just-in a couple hundred miles east of Houston that first week in February (New Orleans).
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone knows
he’s making Arrowhead his personal Cassel…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Of course he's going to say that, though.
What else is he going to do? Tell us that they’re letting Carr walk?
Can we get to free agency yet? :-)
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Well, he honestly could come out and say
“We’re looking at different options with Brandon here, and we’ll do what we think is best for the organization going forward” or something… I do think we’re gonna try and keep him in KC.
by CapnCribbs on Feb 21, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good call.
How quickly I forget the standard press releases.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Yeah
He DOES seem genuinely interested. The fact that he called him after signing Routt says a lot about how highly he thinks of him.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Yes. And it wasn't a stick-it-to-Carr call. It was a "Nothing's changed between us" call.
The last pronouncement on Carr that I recall was that re-signing Bowe and Carr was Pioli’s highest priority. Pioli might not let a whole lot get out in the public domain, but I don’t think he wants to be known as a bullshitter on the utterances he does make.
Personally, I like the move, with or without future trades in the offing. Nice to have additional player-for-picks scenarios in place, for the week before the trade deadline, next season. But just as a football matter, there are still a few developments I’d like to see take place in the secondary, and Routt takes ‘em in that direction, even if it’s Flowers who ends up bein’ traded.
would of ≠ would've
Agreed.
He’s not going to say anything else.
OMG KANSAS CITY CHEEEEEAPS!!!!!11!!!1
Seriously, I got so tired of hearing fans throw in the towel because we SIGNED A FREE AGENT. Let’s lock up Carr and have the best secondary in football!!
Today's 3-headed monster is yesterday's elite CB duo.
Offenses are designed to eat up your two guys outside and get their mismatches from the #3 guy.
would of ≠ would've
Good point
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It doesn't impact Carr
as long as they can agree on a number.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
what he said
the signing of Stanford Routt does not impact where we’re at with Brandon Carr
which was at an impasse. so the signing doesn’t effect that impasse :)
And I was just getting ready to sneeze that...
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Cole 3rd rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 4th rd, S G. Iloka or DT/NT Hicks 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar or ILB Galippo 6th; FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill; Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Uh Bullshit,
let’s remember that this is a throwing league & the 5th D-back is extremely important.IMHO if we sign Carr this will be a tough team to throw against.
John Soellner
That's my hope
It may tie up more cap space in one position than other teams may like, but considering this pass happy league, with rookie QB’s even throwing for 400+ yrds in games, having 3 physical CB’s capable of shutting the field down seems ideal.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Yes. And you can ALWAYS trade away a guy, if one of your younger guys steps up.
If you can do with 3 guys what everybody else needs 4 or 5 guys, including above-and-beyond-the-call-of-duty play from a durn LB, to do, you can play it a lot differently than everybody else. Then, maybe your NT becomes expendable, because you can just throw 5 at the line of scrimmage on every down, so those ‘tweeners you’ve been stockpiling are seeing lots of action, in twos, threes and fours.
would of ≠ would've
I'm hoping and praying
but I still think it’s going to take $8 million a year or better. No idea if they’re willing to spend it, but maybe they’ll be betting on the cap increases that’ll be taking place over the next few years.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 21, 2012 8:52 AM CST reply actions
$8 million really wouldn't be too bad
I fear he’ll want around $10 mill or more. I think if it’s near $8 mill we’ll go ahead and pay him.
If he hits the market
I think he’ll get $9-10 million, but if he’ll take $8 mill to stay here… shrug
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 21, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
They can afford it, now, and nothing's set in stone for the longer term.
They can re-sign Carr and Bowe and still be major players for any guy they choose to target.
would of ≠ would've
If Carr is brought back it will speak volumes about the priorities of this team
Possibilities could be moving Jalil Brown or Javier Arenas to more of a safety role.
Could also mean we expect to see a TON of Dime defense and 3rd corner may be a higher priority financially than say, inside linebacker or even nose tackle. If a 2 down plugger is all they are looking for from the NT position, why spend a lot of money when you need a 3rd corner on all 3 downs?
I still don’t think they’ll get Carr back, but I really don’t know. Just don’t rule out a philosophical shift in how the corner position is valued.
by RedNose on Feb 21, 2012 8:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I honestly wish they'd try Arenas out at RB
he’s not a terrible Nickleback, but he’s so compact and explosive running the ball, love to see them try it out. Evedn if it was just in training camp.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Heh. That's MY idea, dammit!
And how cool would it be to have Javy there on the RB depth chart, able to switch sides and do a serviceable job at corner, if disaster struck the secondary?
Javy or Brown, either one, might be good at S. So might Routt. I think they’d like to blur the lines between corner and safety. It’d make them a lot tougher to scheme against, if they could get McGraw and Piscitelli off the field. All due respect to McGraw, his lack of speed betrays a lot to the QB pre-snap.
would of ≠ would've
If anyone has a twitter
Go look at bcarr profile and see the convo him and stevebreston had yesterday, it pretty much tells u wats going on!!
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 21, 2012 8:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
@SBreaston15
@BCarr39 pay em no mind homie, we talked about this da last H game, I know u want to b here cuz, we know how this works
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 21, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
I copied the tweet from your post
didn’t want to spend the time trying to find it on Breaston’s TL.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 21, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
It tells us that Carr told Steve Breaston he wanted to stay a Chief at the last home game
“We” being NFL players I assume, know how this process works in terms of the business side of football, and dealing with fans.
Mostly, this just shows how cool of a dude Breaston is. Glad he’s a Chief. Hope we can figure something out with Carr too, but we’ll see.
Well
What I took from is tht hes leaving, he was basically sayn he loves all the support from the fans but this is a bness it was after the routt signing was official!! He kinda sounded pissd about, its like he really wants to stay here!! But breston was saying like he was telling him from experience tht this might happend.
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 21, 2012 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What is it telling you?
It told me Carr wants to be here, but football is a business and you have to roll with it.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 21, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Meh, I'll take the Yankees and their fans over those pricks from Boston any day
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
How many Red Sox fans came out of the woodwork after their first title?
At least Yankees fans are their year in and year out. There is no bigger fair weathered sports market than Boston. How many Pats fans were there in the early 90s? A few dozen?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
you people are showing a pretty major ignorance of how devoted New England-folk are to their sports teams
They are annoyingly self-important….but band-wagoners they are not.
It's just the psudo-fans around the rest of the country that are annoying
Sorta like GB & Steeler fans
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Fair enough
Kinda like the Cowboys in the 90s? Blech.
Bruins and Patriots were not that popular in Boston without championships
Celts have always had support, but they’ve always won.
The Red Sox I’ll give you. Fairweather fans came out like crazy when they beat the Yankees in ‘03, but you can’t argue that Boston has long been a baseball town.
HIV
This is your best comment ever.
Living in these parts (and yes I am a Yankee fan since birth), the Boston fans are ridiculous. With the Sox, they bitched and moaned for years because of a bullcrap curse, then they won and everyone was suddenly a know-it-all lifetime Sox fan.
The Bruins? There are some hardcore hockey fans here. And then there were the thousands who suddenly became one after the Cup win last year.
The worst is definitely the Pats. I used to go to games with my father in the late 80’s and early 90’s. I kid you not, you could hear people on the other side of the stadium cheering and you could hear every player yelling on the field. Not one kid in my high school even had a Pats jersey or hat or anything. Fast forward and they act like they invented football.
Boston fans are THE WORST EVER.
Pretty hardcore about the Celtics, though, aren't they?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
They were hardcore when I was young
with Bird, McHale, DJ and the Chief. But in the 90’s tickets could be had by anyone. Besides the few Reggie Lewis years (gone way too soon), the period up until the arrival of The Big 3 was very quiet. Then they won the title and it was Celtics-town again. I guess it would be like that in a lot of cities, but being so close it’s maddening.
by Steve_in_RI on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Especially when a city is supposed to be "the best" when it comes to fans
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Completely agree.
Though I’ve always liked the Pats (pretty sure I’m the only non-Bostonite to say that).
If I lived in the area it would be the Mets, Nets and Jets for me
Get one sweatshirt with some velcro letters
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It's funny,
most people I know here are either Mets/Jets or Yanks/Giants. Trying to remember if I know anyone who likes Mets/Giants or Yanks/Jets… don’t think so.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Feb 21, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
I know a few too
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Comment of the day
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I’m down with the Knicks. Most entertaining team other than the Clippers and Heat. Now add in JR Smoove?! Knicks could make a serious run
6 1st round draft picks, 2 Super Bowl Champions and counting
by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
If we are able to re-sign Carr
I can see Routt taking over McGraw’s role as the guy who would cover the TE and also be the nickel corner and maybe even backup safety if Lewis or Berry went down
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Gives them lots of flexibility.
And they could use Carr and Flowers both in different ways, as well.
would of ≠ would've
Maybe, Just Maybe
We plan to keep Carr also. When I look at the depth chart… we don’t have any depth at corner. With the league moving more and more to pass first and often offenses, this may be what we are trying to accomplish.
Last year, not having depth in the secondary really hurt us. Every time we rotated a defensive back we got beat horribly. Tebow threw a 60 yard pass on us when we had a few of our backups in. Just my optimistic opinion anyway.
I really think your right and very good protection against an injury. To have Flowers, Carr,
Routt, Berry, Lewis, Arenas, Brown and McGraw would give the Chief’s the best and deepest defensive backfield in the NFL.
But Routt's name isn't Brandon
One of these things is not like the other….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I know I am dreaming here...
How much is the QB tag? How amazing would it be for the Chiefs to sign Bowe and Carr then tag Orton?
Arrowhead Pride addict
That would be an INSANE amount of money for Kyle Friggin' Orton.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
Yeah probably like 15 mill I'm guessing...
If that happened I would freak out if any fans ever call the Chiefs cheap again…
Arrowhead Pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 21, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
It is closer to $20 mil, I believe, if not over
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ah, well that's not bad
I would lock him up with the tag for that.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 9:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Hell no! I was thinking $9.4mil for BRich… $1mil per sack allowed baby!!!
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Nope then they'd just call the Chiefs stupid
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
but that was a business decision
they knew he was a hot commodity and they’d get compensation and picks.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 21, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
That's a business you don't want to be in... dad's already been there.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Cole 3rd rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 4th rd, S G. Iloka or DT/NT Hicks 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar or ILB Galippo 6th; FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill; Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
same would happen with Flynn
if the Packers could get away with it.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 21, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
"We're trying to make an honest man out of him!"
Man, you have to love that.
I was floored when I read it, knowing it came from Scott P. He must be feeling pretty good about this year ahead.
I said it yesterday...
when the story broke about Routt, I think they shoudl resign Carr and put him at Safety on the other end of Berry!! It would be a perfect backfield!!!
Damn you, Joel
Got me all excited excited again. Flowers, Carr, Routt, Berry, and Lewis… Oh my!
Add DJ, Houston, Hali, and a nice DT and holy crap.
How many teams have won a Super Bowl without playing offense?
Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Cole 3rd rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 4th rd, S G. Iloka or DT/NT Hicks 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar or ILB Galippo 6th; FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill; Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I was kidding.
Settle, precious. I know what you’re going through.
i believe this
“Knowing where we’re at with the cap situation and knowing some of the plans and things that might happen with our roster…we want to try and keep Brandon here. Nothing was done yet so we saw an opportunity with a player on a very fair contract who really wanted to be a Chief. And we thought it would be a good marriage.”
Look, yes it is putting a lot of money in the secondary, but it would also (if Carr re-signs) give us the best secondary in the NFL. How many teams would have a 3-deep CB list KC? And as many 3+ WR sets the defense sees, the more this is an asset.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
Ok.. I dont understand
Why the Chiefs dont franchise tag Carr.. sit him down and ask him what he wants to do (stay or leave KC) and then either settle on a contract agreement over the course of next year, or trade the man (hopefully to one of Carrs top choices). I think its a complete failure for this team to lose out completely in the brandon carr sweepstakes. I think a deal can be done where both sides are happy. To let him just walk away to the highest bidder when he is the best CB on the market by far is probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
I dont know if this is possible as there are many legalities that the commons fan doesnt know of.. but can anyone tell me if tagging carr and trading him is an option? Why or why not?
"It's still real to me dammit!"
by Matt in KC on Feb 21, 2012 9:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It’s completely an option and, in my opinion, the most likely to happen. The key will be getting Bowe to sign before FA begins.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I have no doubt in mind that bowe will sign..
He likes it here.. he has a lot of good friends on this team.. he loves RAC.. I dont see why Bowe or Carr for that matter would want to leave. Dont get me wrong.. a team like the Raiders could throw $100 million at his feet for a couple of years (lets be honest- they are the dumbest team in the league. its possible) and he would gladly go- who wouldnt. But hes not Randy Moss or TO (in their prime).. And Bowe might be one of the most underrated recievers in the league as far as what he has accomplished.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
I'd like to think that Bowe's first choice is KC
But what about a team like TB? The weather’s nicer, they have tons of cap room and a better QB, and there’s no question they’d like to have him. The only thing hindering that is the cheapness of the Bucs.
Sandy Eggos goin down.
by Chief TigerGator on Feb 21, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Tampa, Miami, San Diego.. Bowe could litterally go anywhere he wants.. but I look at it as if I were in his shoes.. I would take less money to stay with the guys I know and respect before I would leave. And it cant just be me.. I look at the Royals and Hosmer, Mous, and the guys that have all played together in the minors, hell even some of the guys who have been there the last couple of years.. they want to stay together.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Who would you rather lose?
Carr or Bowe.. I would rather lose Bowe than Carr.. IMO
"It's still real to me dammit!"
I'll say this
I think Pioli/Hunt know that the fans would like to see Carr remain a Chief. Business wise, I think it makes sense to Tag/Trade him. If we do resign Carr, I think this will be a move to please the fans….which would be nice for a change. (and obviously still good for the team as well)
I'd be upset
if the Chiefs made football moves to please fans other than to win championships.
If the Chiefs want to please us, lower the ticket prices ;)
Thank you.
Fans get pleased by winning. All that emotional crap doesn’t mean much when it comes down to wins and losses, which is ultimately what matters.
Hypothetical situation: Lets say we HAVE to lose one of them
1. Which one can we less afford to lose?
2. Which one would you personally rather keep?
Sandy Eggos goin down.
by Chief TigerGator on Feb 21, 2012 9:54 AM CST reply actions
I assume you are talking about Bowe and Carr.
Before signing Routt, I would have said I would rather keep Carr and lose Bowe. But now, I would flip that.
Yeah, I should have been more clear. Bowe and Carr
I think we can less afford to lose Bowe, but I personally like Carr better. My guess is most fans feel the same.
Sandy Eggos goin down.
by Chief TigerGator on Feb 21, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Even before we signed Routt, we can afford to lose Bowe less.
A receiver of Bowes ability and production is WAYYY harder to replace than a cornerback of Brandon Carr’s ability and production.
Not this year it isn't
If you’re going to replace Bowe, this is the year to do it.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Referring to the WRs available in Free Agency?
I think Mike Wallace is the only guy I’d (maybe) consider as an upgrade over Bowe. Vincent Jackson can’t stay on the field, Stevie Johnson is good but relatively ordinary athlete. Who else is out there that you’d rather?
Absolutely!!
Tag and trade Bowe to St. Louis, along with Glen Dorsey and our #1 pick and get RG3. Make it so! I have seen Blackmon mocked to St. Louis. If we give them Bowe, we give them what they need, and we get what we need, our QBOTF. Bowe is a good receiver, but there are a LOT of good receivers to be had in FA, like Colston, Meachem, Stevie Johnson, or my favorite, Vincent Jackson (take our main rival’s best receiver). Lots more here:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/wr.html
We could also take a flier on someone who will work somewhat cheaply, like Moss, Owens, or Wayne, guys who are at the end of their careers, but could still provide production for us. I love Bowe, but if we can get RG3, we should make that deal.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
I wouldn’t mind having DeSean Jackson as a Chief even with the stupid head games he plays. Imagine him back returning punts…Dante Hall 2.0.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
I was with you until DeSean.
Like they were saying today, on NFLN. He’ll make a game-changing impact on a handful of games, but be nothing special for 10 games or so.
would of ≠ would've
Without reading any of the comments on here...
Pioli pretty much has to say that in order to keep any trade value for Carr in the event we end up franchising him. Unless Carr wants to come back for a similar contract that Routt just signed I doubt he’s in a Chiefs uni next year.
by Chiefs08Matt on Feb 21, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions
This has me curious
knowing some of the plans and things that might happen with our roster
Makes me think that someone is changing positions. Carr to safety or Arenas more of a safety/cb hybrid player maybe.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Jalil Brown
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 21, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
It has to be someone with a bigger role or why bring in Routt and suggest you want all three CBs?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Nickel & Diming?
It’s a pass happy league. That’s no secret. I’m missing something..
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Optomistic view! Excuse me if this has been covered.
Anyone else notice that Routt’s deal is very front loaded as in it appears that we will pay him half his contract in the first year. If this is the case and the chiefs exercised the extra cap clause(forgot the correct term) then this could signify that they are actually gonna load up for a run. If they actually get a deal done with Carr(praying) then i would really start to believe this is the case. As much as Romeo likes to use Berry in the box and 5 DB sets with the 5th typically being a safety couldn’t this really work with one of them(Carr\Routt) playing a CB\S hybrid type of position.
He reportedly singed for?
I hope he was better than William Hung….
;)
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Considering he played for the Raiders
I am not at all surprised by the number of penalties. Now he will play for a team that has an awesome Defensive Coordinator, and one that doesn’t brag about having the most penalties in a season year after year!
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exactlly
sloppy play can be corrected. Moss was shitty with the raiders and look what he did the next year in NE….Hard to judge a player while he is with the raiders. Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe it's not the Corner who is crappy
Maybe he played crappy because he was unhappy that he played for a crappy franchise, kind of like Randy Moss.
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I will also point this out.
Corners are more prone to penalties and mistakes when they don’t trust their safeties and we have some pretty good safeties here!
But the Raiders have Huff
/sarcasm
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Hey Maybe Oakland can draft a Corner in the draft...
Oh wait a minute…Never mind…You don’t have any!! Bahahaha!
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Cleveland is probably just about as Shitty
Of a franchise to play for as Oakland. Nobody wins there!
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