Dwayne Bowe Likely Getting Franchise Tag From The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Feb 21, 2012 7:45 AM CST
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I'm joining the chorus of folks stating the obvious: Dwayne Bowe probably isn't going anywhere. We've known that Bowe and the Kansas City Chiefs have been in contract negotiations for some time but the Chiefs latest personnel moves make it a no-brainer -- Bowe will receive the franchise tag.
Well, he'll receive the tag if the Chiefs can't work out a longterm deal with him first. They're still talking and a multi-year commitment is still the goal. If they can not sign him, the Chiefs will almost assuredly place the franchise tag on him.
The franchise tag period started on Monday. The deadline to apply the tag is March 5. There's really no point for the Chiefs to place the tag on him until closer to the deadline.
The Chiefs and Bowe's camp have been in discussions dating back to last season so, given the amount of time thus far they've had to do a deal, it's hard to see a longterm getting done in the next 14 days. As of now, I'd predict the franchise tag.
Then again, deadlines have a way of making people change their minds. Maybe they can avoid the tag.
However they do it, the larger point is that it would be a huge upset if Bowe isn't in a Chiefs uniform next season.
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I see a long term deal getting done by the 1st of March
Very few players have ever been in favor of getting the franchise tag. The pressure is now on Bowers agent to get the deal done to avoid the tag. Both parties want to agree to keep him in KC, just needed a catalyst. The Routt signing just heated the talks up….
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by Moebuis_34 on Feb 21, 2012 7:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Bowe's agent...... Dam auto correct....
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by Moebuis_34 on Feb 21, 2012 7:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Get the man a badass QB...and he'll be begging to stay.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Idk, I think we get
Bowe signed soon, I see a deal in the area of a 5 yr 5mil range thts 10/yr!! And we put tha tag on carr we can still a year out of carr if need be. I just dnt see carr just walking but then again if we cant get a deal wit dne wit bowe, then were screw, we might nt get NOTHING in return if carr leaves.
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 21, 2012 7:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I meant to say
Get a deal done wit bowe
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 21, 2012 7:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
If they can, they are in the drivers seat in a big way. They either have the sickest secondary in football, or they trade Carr for a number two, or a top player.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Its kinda a
Win lose or win win situation, thts why I see giving bowe what he wants a still doing wat they want with carr!! Carr is in a shitty spot right now, I bet hes hoping for bowe to take his time!! Thts if he doesnt want to be here.
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 21, 2012 8:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Damn,,
im up too early I also meant 5yrs 50 mil!!!! 5yrs 5mil is only 1mil/year!! Haha.
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 21, 2012 8:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, not sure they'd lock him up for that. ha!
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
they're not gonna pay Bowe an average per year of more than the tag would cost this year.
As the tag for a #1 WR is 9.4 million, I think Bowe is looking at more like 7mil for 5 years – 35 mil total with about 18 guaranteed. WR are not going to be getting 10mil a year under this new CBA.
Better chance at a long term deal now
Now that Routt is signed, Bowe must KNOW he’s getting the tag. He may as well come to terms with the Chiefs. He’ll get plenty of money and be on a team that is very much on the rise.
Also, he did quite well in 2010 with Cassel… like leading the league in td’s.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
maybe
we’ll get a repeat of that year since we’ll have a full team of starters plus some new additions (players/coaches). I can’t NOT see us winning the division this year. The rest of the division is not firing on all cylinders and Tebow’s luck ran out.
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by GaryfromIA on Feb 21, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe nothing. Bowe IS staying now one way or another...
the question is now this: Does Bowe want to give the team he’s going to be playing for the maximum leverage in this market to acquire the best talent available for the long term? IF he does want to do that, he needs to make it a point to sign a long term deal before March 5th so Pioli can use the tag however he wants to use it.
Seems like a waste of a tag...
pretty sure Bowe wants to play here…just need to get him a fair contract. Tagging Carr gives you so many options.
by Brad-KC on Feb 21, 2012 8:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Really are you so cheap that your not going to resign one of the best shutdown corners in the league. Between Carr and Bowe i pick Carr and i love Bowe. This is just sad what this team is turning into. I don’t know if it’s Clark or Pioli but this team and organization is slowly going down the crapper. Now that the Raiders have a chance to right their ship we are trying to take this legendary organization and become the new raiders.
hold on there!
I think some was up real late partying hard
Teeeeebbbbooooowwww!
and kiss my ass for giving me a warning about Trolling.
Got to love the first ever post from a new profile!!!
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Not sure how you come up with any of that?
This was a great signing. As a number two, Routt is almost as good as Carr. Carr is NOT a shut down corner. If he walks, they’ve lost very little.
Carr appears to want a stupid amount of money. They didn’t pay that much for Routt and with Flowers as the one, with Berry, Lewis and Arenas this is one of the best secondaries in the NFL. Plus there is stil a chance they can tag Carr if Bowe gets signed.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Carr and bowe both
Are worth keeping, its just nt looking like we can keep both why nt keep bowe and trade carr u see our offense as what if bowe is gone?? Our d will be okay without carr, even tho I would rather keep him on the team (carr).
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 21, 2012 8:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I love the smell of WTF in the morning.
Reminds me of…victory.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
by TRSChief on Feb 21, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
His post smells like something...
It is his first post on a new profile… Pretty sure it is someone trying to start some crap! lol
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Carr
Many teams in the League are going crazy to get a chance to talk with Brandon Carr!!! It would be a HUGE MISTAKE to not TAG CARR!!!! Get Bowe signed tag Carr and get a second rounder at least out of him….
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by Kclown on Feb 21, 2012 8:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree with that you said
but that is easier said than done…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Pretty sure this is just smoke in the air
But Pioli is on 810 Sports Radio right now and just stated “This doesn’t spell the end of Carr, We are still in negotiations with him, and if a deal is good for both sides then it will get done” surprised by this?
It would also be a huge mistake to lose Bowe because you tagged Carr.....
It would be a HUGE MISTAKE to not TAG CARR!!!!
The Chiefs and Bowe’s camp have been in discussions dating back to last season so, given the amount of time thus far they’ve had to do a deal, it’s hard to see a longterm getting done in the next 14 days.
Circumstances have changed quite a bit in the last 24 hours.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Bowe KNOWS he's getting the tag now if he doesn't sign
So you’re dead on right
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
If anything, I’d say the Routt signing makes it less likely that Bowe receives the tag. The extra motivation is exactly why Routt is (possibly) a very good signing.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I was agreeing with you…
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Are you saying you think Bowe gets signed now?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Yes. And that Carr gets the tag.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Got it... yeah, I hope that's how it goes now
They can keep Carr, or trade him for at least a number two, or possibly a very, very good player
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
+1
The “Hey I might get a chance to test the FA market” and “Well crap here comes the FT” are two different things…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Boo this move
You saved money with Route, sign Bowe so we can tag Carr and get something for him.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
This is the way to go
I mean, are BOTH Carr and Bowe being completely unreasonable? That gets a little harder to believe…
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Sign Bowe. Sign Carr.
Change base D to a 3-3-5
Dare opponents to pass on us.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
by TRSChief on Feb 21, 2012 8:16 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
3-3-5
I always run that in college football on ps3, have stud corners and safeties, it worked well. If only real life was like a video game……..
Thing is
We were in our base 3-4 around 50% or less (less from what I remember) all season.
More Nickel and Dime packages.
If we find a legitimate 3 down NT somehow, 3-3-5 is just swapping out Belcher for Routt in this instance.
Does that sound like some crazy vidjya insanity? With a Soliai type NT, it wouldn’t be that far fetched.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
My theory
with a 3-3-5, Berry would almost act like a linebacker, and have him play close to the line and blitz the hell outta him.
Yeah, Berry roving, or even Flowers in a Woodson-like rover role (mentioned a few weeks ago by BAMF when I brought up the 3-3-5)
Few options, because Berry and Flowers are both exceptional tacklers.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Flowers is a great tackler, for his size.
But, I’d prefer to not see flowers flying around the line of scrimmage.
by paratrooper on Feb 21, 2012 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if
Carr re-signs and they lay down $15M or so on the CBs this off-season, it would seem the direction they are going in FA is defense. I would be fine with that.
If they re-signed Carr, signed Soliai, and could get a steal of a contract for Landry. Maybe add a DE like Olshansky or Hoke.
Trade Dorsey. gain a pick (3rd or 4th). get some cap relief.
And go offensive in the draft.
Oline, oline, oline depth. TE. RB.
And you have a pretty solid team (outside of Cassel).
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by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
whoa
That’d be a hardcore defense.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I approve this message
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
How many times can we franchise him???
I say with a guy like Bowe keep him in a contract year and keep him playing hard. You don’t want him going all 2.7 on you which I think we all know they both share the same diva gene…
by JoeMacOfKC on Feb 21, 2012 8:23 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Once... one player a year
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
yes only one per year... but it can be the same guy year after year
only problem with that is the only time you get to pay the league avg on a tagged player is the first year of the tag. Succeeding years are not based on league avgs but on percentage escalation multipliers in the CBA. As in a guy who was franchised last year at WR for 11.5 mil cannont be franchised again this year for the 9.4 mil league avg of the top 5 players. The guy tagged for 11.5 last year will get paid more than the league avg to be tagged this year – and it will be more than he made in the first year he was tagged. Ideally, you tag a guy just long enough to work out a longer term deal with him. That the tag has leverage of other sorts than to resign the player is just gravy for mgmt to sop up with their biscuits.
Put the fear in him
Make him sign long term and use the tag elsewhere
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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 8:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Pioli was on 810 stating
they are still in talks with Carr to get a deal done…anyone buy this?? I can see keeping Carr since this has become a pass happy league, and we all have been unimpressed with the depth.
I believe him
He has probably been trying to get a deal done since the season began. Whether Pioli is low balling him, or Carr is asking for too much, one of the sides ain’t doing right
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 21, 2012 8:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pioli has re-signed many of our free agents. low-balling appears to be out of his nature, looking at those contracts.
he offers fair deals.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
If he is to be taken at his word
Makes me wonder if he could move Route. The dude seemed to sign a fairly resonable contract and the Chiefs wouldn’t have to ask for much in return if they were just trying to move his salary. A 7th rounder to an NFC team would do it.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
What do you mean?
by waiting4aplayoffwin on Feb 21, 2012 9:24 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I mean, if we end up signing Carr are we able to move Route
If the motivation is just to dump his salary (and he signed a resonable deal) we could do so for a low round pick. Is Route truely insurance? Do they really intend to sign Carr? My intial reaction yesterday was that the Carr ship had sailed.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
and then send a message to every free agent who might choose to sign in KC
that ‘hey, we don’t really want you. we were just using you. I know you specifically signed on to play here, and chose us, but screw off.’
Yeah, that’s smart.
On the other hand, Arenas gave up a crapload of catches last season. Flowers, Carr, and Routt coupled with Berry and Lewis/upgrade makes our secondary elite.
And believe it or not, the Chargers (depending on how their off-season goes w/ Jackson, etc), Raiders (yes, it is true) and Broncos have some talent in their receiving Corp.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Player would still get his paper.
On the other hand, Arenas gave up a crapload of catches last season. Flowers, Carr, and Routt coupled with Berry and Lewis/upgrade makes our secondary elite.
And a waste of a 2nd round pick. But we already knew that
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Except the fact that QB's had a lower rating throwing at him
Than anyone else in our secondary
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Where'd you get that?
And would it be due to him covering the short stuff, low ypa?
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
False on Arenas
QB’s had a lower rating throwing at him than Flowers OR Carr.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say anything about that. so, no it isn't false.
Arenas gave up a crapload of catches last season
Arenas gave up a lot of catches last season. All I said. A lot of that could be attributed to playing the slot.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
But the overall implied point was that Arenas sucks, was it not?
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
no. it was that his position could afford to be upgraded??
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Potato, potah-to? :)
Nah, I Get ya
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
For what it's worth
According to PFF, Arenas gave up 23 receptions.
That’s half of what B-Flow gave up and 16 fewer than Carr…
So I’d still say a “crapload” is a major exaggeration, given he gave up roughly a catch and a half per game
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
I was looking at the wrong year. He gave up 50 receptions in 2010.
I would call that a crapload.
but like I said, that could be greatly contributed to playing the slot.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
And it was his rookie year
And he has double duty since he’s a returner as well.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 21, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, I see the misunderstanding
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
While playing 382 snaps, in case you were curious
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Arenas was damn good for us, kinda hard to play Returner and Nickel at the same time.
He shut down Welker, and if he gave up catches they were tackled soon after.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 21, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
I See What You Are Getting At
But I don’t see them signing Routt just to trade him. I think they really want Carr and Routt (you can never have to many good corners), but the reason they went after Routt in the first place was for insurance if Carr does leave.
by waiting4aplayoffwin on Feb 21, 2012 9:55 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think he's may be looking to use Carr or Routt at safety.
This makes particular sense with Berry coming back from an ACL. Signing both Routt and Carr gives the team starting quality depth at numerous places. And if they’re all healthy… even God would have trouble throwing a slant on that D.
Dirty Pool
There were no doubt representations made to Routt to induce him to sign here, like giving him a fair shot at competing for a job. To even consider trading him now is unethical and just flat our wrong.
Getting a deal done with Carr would be awesome
Play at least one season with the best secondary in the NFL. At the end of the year, decide whether you want to roll with Flowers, Carr, and Routt for the future or trade one of them for draft picks.
We have the space to pay them all $6+ million this year. That might change next year because of this carry-forward amount, but it gives a one year cushion to figure it out.
I hope they can get a deal done and not the tag with Bowe.
I believe he has earned it. I hope he’s here and Cassel and him can have another 2010 season!!
If there is anyone here
That has twitter, u can go look at bcarr page and see the convo tht him and steve breston had its kinda telling whats about to hapend!!
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Feb 21, 2012 8:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If the Chiefs want Carr back
and I’m assuming that Bowe wants to come back and he, Pioli, and Carr want Carr back, why don’t they have a monologue like this:
Pioli: DBowe, if we can’t get this long-term deal worked out in the coming week or two, we have a one-year deal worth the franchise tag we’d like you to sign in the immediate future. Then we’ll get that long-term deal finalized soon.
I understand you want a long-term contract. We want you locked up too. But for the immediate future, the team needs this incase we have to franchise Carr. We’ll franchise you if you don’t sign the deal, but the team will be better off in the end if you’ll sign this one-year deal if we can’t come to an agreement on a long-term contract by March 5th. That way we can keep you and brandon.
That, of course, assumes Bowe and Carr both want to be back, Pioli still wants both back, and they can find a ‘reasonable’ middle ground for a deal.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
i'm sure stipulations can be written into a contract....
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 21, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
All indications seem to be that both Bowe and Carr want to come back. A big part of the
problem is that they are probably both following the advice of their agents.
Bowe carried our offense last year.
Surrounded by terrible to mediocre QB’s, the man led the league in TD’s for WR’s last year, is beast mode in yards after catch, and with all the injuries last year, he carried our offense. Pay the man….
Relentless.... Just like the Honey badger....
by Undaunted_Fish on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions
*lead in TD's 2 years ago..
Relentless.... Just like the Honey badger....
by Undaunted_Fish on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
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