Chiefs Free Agency: Don't Forget About Compensatory Picks
by Joel Thorman on Feb 21, 2012 11:30 AM CST
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The Kansas City Chiefs on Monday signed CB Stanford Routt to a three-year contract and in doing so gave us a clearer picture of what's to come in the 2012 free agency period. The Chiefs are now expected to see CB Brandon Carr walk in search of the contract he's seeking while placing the franchise tag on WR Dwayne Bowe, keeping him in KC at least another year. Those are the two big free agency decisions, at least when it comes to the guys in-house.
As I've indicated time and time again, I'm a big fan of Carr. I wanted him to stay in KC. But I'm also cognizant of the business side. Carr wants to test free agency. The Chiefs won't pay both their cornerbacks top 10 money. It's a weak cornerback market. Carr will get paid. It's not always about a bitter divorce. Sometimes it's just that simple.
One of the potential hidden benefits of Carr's exit -- assuming he leaves, which is a pretty good assumption -- lies (or is it lays?) with compensatory picks.
In March or April, the league will award 32 compensatory picks based on last year's free agency period. And in March or April of 2013, the league will do the same for the free agency period that's starting in a couple of weeks.
It's a confusing process because the comp pick formula is locked away in the NFL offices but basically it's this: if a team loses more qualifying free agents than they sign, they'll be eligible for compensatory picks, ranging from the third to seventh round. It's all about parity in the NFL (take note, other pro leagues) and this gives draft picks to the teams that are losing free agents.
I'll simplify this more than it should be but when it comes to Carr the Chiefs could be eligible for a compensatory pick. The formula for determining the draft pick involves how much Carr signs for elsewhere, his playing time the following year and any postseason awards. So if Carr leaves and signs for $10 million per year in another city and starts all 16 games, the Chiefs could be in line for a nice draft pick.
Of course, the process is based on a team's entire body of work in free agency so the Chiefs could go out and sign another team's pricey "qualifying" free agent, which could cancel out Carr.
But there is a strategy involved here and the Chiefs know it. Someone like Stanford Routt is not one of the "qualifying" free agents that could cancel our Carr because he was cut by the Oakland Raiders and not a true unrestricted free agent. He's just a player they signed and has no impact on this.
So signing someone like Routt and letting Carr walk potentially has a bonus to it. Maybe that comp pick never comes to fruition because the Chiefs sign a bunch of free agents...but maybe it does. Maybe the Chiefs pick up an extra third round pick and draft another Jon Asamoah. That would probably change my feelings on Carr leaving.
If you peel away the layers, you can start to see some of these things that the Chiefs have to take into consideration when it comes to personnel moves. It's hardly ever as simple as it seems and you rarely make a decision in a vacuum.
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"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
It’s all about parity in the NFL (take note, other pro leagues) and this gives draft picks to the teams that are losing free agents.
Yet the MLB has more parity.
/just saying
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Parity?
The Yankees have won almost 30 championships. The next closest team is the Cardinals with 8 (I think). You call that parity?
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 21, 2012 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm talking over the last 10 years or so.
You have to go back to 2003 to get an AFC team not named the Pats, Colts or Steelers in the Super Bowl
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be nice if we were the team to change that?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
True enough
but the difference between a team like the Chiefs that hasn’t won a playoff game in 20 years and a team like the Pats isn’t nearly as big as the difference between a team like the Pirates and a team like the Yankees.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
and I just saw your comment below
and I’ve decided it applies to me, too lol
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Cards have 11 Championships
not to be picky. I agree with your point. Baseball has some of the least parity.
Sandy Eggos goin down.
by Chief TigerGator on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm MLB has comp picks.
In the old CBA, a team losing a type A free-agent was given the signing team’s first round pick (provided it was not in the top half of the round, their second round pick was gifted if it was) and a “sandwich” pick (a pick that fell between the first and second rounds). A team losing a type B FA was given only a sandwich pick.
The new CBA has changed this somewhat (fewer players now qualify and the player rating is now determined by the market as opposed to some computer-based system), but it’s still there.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, but not my point
And I wasn’t that clear. As of late a wider variety of teams have won the World Series than the Super Bowl.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah didn't necessarily mean to point that towards you.
Because Joel did say above that “other pro leagues” should “take note”.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on definition of parity.
In the NFL, every team believe they have a legit shot at the post season on opening day. Not so in Base/Basketball.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Feb 21, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
NFL has best parity top-bottom.
MLB has some parity among top 10 teams. Everyone else is out by July. Not really my definition of parity. I also think that, because of parity, coaching is more critical in the NFL. Take Belicheck and put him in Jacksonville and they have a chance to compete almost immediately. Put Tony LaRussa in Washington and they still have no chance.
I argue the PGA Tour has the best parity top to bottom.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I will be totally pissed if their plan of attack is compensatory picks.
Sure, let’s lose Carr and Orton so next year we can get a 3rd round pick (at best). That plan isn’t going to sell tickets, and it isn’t going to make this team any better. The time to make a move is now. The Chiefs defense is entering it’s prime and Jamaal isn’t getting any younger.
Clark and Pioli are fools if they don’t make a hard push to sign players this FA that can help the team make a push in the playoffs.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I highly doubt that's the plan.
But if they miss out on guys they wanted, it’s a nice fallback.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
There's no excuse to miss out on guys they want.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Other teams over inflate their value?
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
All of them though?
I can see one or two players being over inflated, like Desean Jackson, Vincent Jackson, etc., but all of them? Nah. Plus I doubt Pioli will be targeting a lot of guys that will be worthy of an over inflated price tag.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
That doesn't mean he doesn't have a limit for what he's willing to spend on a certain player.
He’s not going to break the bank for a second tier NT if the market inflates the value.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm not saying he has to.
We’ve seen him be active in getting valuable guys like Gregg, Breaston, Jones, etc. I’m fine with acquisitions like that. But we need to see a lot of them made. I just want to see them being active in FA this year, not sitting back because they’re ok with saving money and getting compensatory picks.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I'm still fuzzy on this comp pick thing (which I'm sure most are).
Does ANY FA count against this? Based on the info below, they do. Which means the NFL should probably take notes on how the MLB does it. Signing Kelly Gregg should not cancel out losing a top FA like Carr.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
That I don't know.
It’s a jacked up formula, from what I do know. And I agree a Gregg isn’t worth a Carr, but a Pouha might be.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Pouha would be nice, but he was a bad example,
I was thinking of Soliai.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Desean Jackson is undervalued, not overvalued. Most electric player in the league.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Sign and trade Bowe for MeSean, straight up
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, fuck that
MeSean deserve better than a backup TE throwing to him
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe is a beast. One of my all time favorite Chiefs. Mesean run routes that are more than 10 yards past the LOS, so not much use for him in KC.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe > MeSean
And it’s not that close.
See how MeSean does with horrible QB play. Dude vanishes for long stretches as it is.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Different types of receivers. I’d probably take Bowe over THA1 if they were the same age and same cost. But Mesean affects field position a lot more than Bowe.
And I’m not sure which one you are talking about with the “vanishes for long stretches” comment. Both do that, but not nearly as much as AP blames them for.
Also, THA1 put up numbers with Vince freakin’ Young.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Vince freaking Young > Casshole
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Never.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Always
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I’d take Vince Young or Dennis Dixon over Cassel
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Please, Vince Young is a head case
Give me same-guy-every-day Cassel over boo-birds-make-me-suicidal Young
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OH SHIT!!!!
Someone just got served!!!
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Gonna have to bring it harder than that
Shoulda said Dex > LMJ.
He wouldn’t have been able to catch his breath long enough to retort…
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair argument
And Jackson’s ST contributions can’t be ignored, it’s true.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
The ST thing might put him over the edge.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Lets not overdo it..
Michael vick isnt exactly Brees or Rogers.. I think the guy in just now near 10 300 yard passing games for his career..
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Because 300 yard passing games are the measure of a good QB...
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Who said anything about being a good QB??
Hes a very good QB.. just not a very good passer. Do you just come here to pick fights?
"It's still real to me dammit!"
No, but your argument was poor.
You quote his # of 300 yard passing games as evidence that “he’s not exactly Brees or Rogers”.
And the comment you were responding to said...
“See how MeSean does with horrible QB play.”
Because 300 yard passing games are the measure of a good QB...
nice defense argument. Where are you going with that..? You can take your 200 yard passers and I will take my 300 yard passers and we can see what receivers get more yards.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
My point is there are MANY better indicators of how good a QB is than 300 yd passing games.
And I really don’t think that’s debatable. It’s an extremely poor argument.
And what about Receivers yards?
He said DeSean has benefited from better QB play. Is Vick better than Cassel? When he’s on the field, yeah. So where’s your argument here?
Im not gonna re-read the comments to you-
figure this out.. Michael Vick doesnt throw for a lot of yards- Desean has had about the same QB play that Bowe has. What do you need passer ratings? They throw for the same yards give or take some in favor of vick. Vick plays in a spread… Cassel’s job is to not turn the ball over. He stated: “See how Mesean does with horrible QB play…” my statement: “Vick is not brees or rogers.” your statement: “because 300 yard passing games matter.” yeah.. in this case i think i might.. now go away terd.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
No he's not
But he’s better than anyone Bowe’s had throwing to him.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Huard could stroke it. Just couldn’t move and had no o line.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
But other than that...
I’d still go with Vick over Huard for opening up opportunities for WR.
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Ill agree to that..
I dont know how many game Cassell has thrown for over 300 yards.. i think there was a stat on it in one of the green bay games when kyle orton did it 2 times in 3 games
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Did Trent ever throw to him?
And don’t forget Thiggy.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
If only our D could have stopped the Colts just once in 2003 :(
Might have just outscored everyone else in the playoffs. Sigh.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I genuinely believe that
I don’t think there was another team in that time that could hang with us, and none that could stop us outright.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Oh what could have been.
But yeah, that offense was nuts. Trent, Tony G, Priest, Kennison, that OL… yeah, that OL. Saunders’ and Vermiel’s genius at work.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Sigh...
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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Haha thiggy
Say what you will, he made the offense fun for a while.
And I don’t think Bowe had Trent at all. If he did, it was only for the time before his concussion.
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Weve had some shitty Quarterbacks with this franchise..
Thanks for reminding me.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Haha sorry
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I was joking about Thiggy.
As you know, I refuse to use sarcasm font.
But yeah, it might have been like 1 quarter with Trent before he got his bell rung. I’m too lazy to look it up right now.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I think that's what happened
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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We missed out on Sean Smith last year because of that.
And I bet there are others we dont hear about that we miss out on. And your statement was an all or nothing statement
There’s no excuse to miss out on guys they want.
There are many good reasons. The player might take a pay cut to go to a better team (Nnamdi). Might go somewhere he has history with oprior coaching staff (Breaston). Or overpay for the player (anyone FA the Raiders signed)
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
* Shaun Smith
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
OK. My bad. You're mostly right here. Let me change my above statement:
There’s no excuse to get worse in the FA period this year. Even if Carr walks, the Chiefs still have tons of cap space to upgrade the team. If the Chiefs are eligible for compensatory picks because Pioli wasn’t able to sign more FAs than he lost, then he needs fired. Might be harsh, I know, but that’s just my opinion.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Nice thing is that comp picks aren't tied to the quality of the players signed.
Like, Routt not canceling out Carr (potentially) because Routt was cut.
Also, conjecture is that salary enters into it. So, if Routt were to count against us, but Carr signs somewhere else for 10 mil, then we still come out ahead in the comp pick formula even if both players perform about the same.
Anyway, my point is that comp picks shouldn’t be used as a yardstick.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
All it takes is one other team to inflate each of the guys that we want.
If we target 5 guys in free agency, and 5 different teams each want one of them, then the market can get pretty inflated on all of them really quickly.
Pioli said in his most rescent statement to the media
that he still intends on signing Carr. I’m still hopeful that they reach an agreement. Perhaps this is another “Kyle Orton” move – a good player (that the Chiefs could use) who happens to fall in their laps. It may very well be that they make a big move to sign Bowe, and franchise Carr again – or the opposite.
by Chief's Country on Feb 21, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
It's not their plan
…but it’s amazing risk management.
I agree.
I’m behind Pioli and the work he’s done here so far, and don’t honestly think they’re going to be idle this FA period. But this is the perfect storm for the Chiefs. I will be pissed if they don’t take advantage of it.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I agree
Who wants a damned comp pick? Getting a comp pick or multiple comps, probably means the Chiefs sat on their hands in free agency, and saved money while they still can instead of taking advantage of their cap room to build a team capable of dominating a weak division this year.
I am still afraid this will happen, but I don’t want it to. I want the Chiefs to start getting their payroll in line with the rest of the league. I want them to address their holes and depth and be a force this year. If the Routte move is the beginning of them doing that, then I am fine with it. If it is the beginning of them keeping their payroll low again, then it sucks.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
Potential third round comp pick...
Carr was a fifth round pick. Just sayin.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I think the comp pick has to do with how many snaps/games played and little (if anything) to do with where the player was drafted.
If Carr were to leave (not sure that is going to happen…and I hope it doesn’t), but IF he were to leave, and he starts all 16 games for another team we would have a shot (depending on how the rest of FA shakes out) of getting a 3rd rounder for him.
Now IF we lose Carr (a 5th round pick) and get a 3rd back…that to me is ‘making chicken salad out of chicken sh!t’.
Not matter WHAT happens, at least Pioli & Co. are not having to cut (and getting NOTHING back in return) good/great players to make cap room.
Agreed, my point was about your chicken sentence there, not about the comp formula.
And yeah, I don’t believe the formula has anything to do with original draft position. But I do think it has to do with size of the new contract. So if Carr leaves, then I hope he takes his new team for all they’ve got!
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
My point is
That the comp picks are based on the net players lost and gained in the free agent period. If we end up getting a comp pick for Carr, it means we didn’t do anything in free agency, because if we do we will gain more players than we lose.
Most of the other potential free agents would be backups if we let them go, (or in a couple of cases, might retire) So I would rather have them sign a couple of starters in the free agent period and forget about the comp pick.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
I think it has to do with playing time and new salary, too.
So Carr leaving might not be completely canceled out by a new signing. If we sign a new NT, say, at half of what Carr’s new contract is, then maybe we get a fifth instead of a third. But yeah, nobody knows for sure.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Routt doesn't count.
Mentioned that I saw this somewhere yesterday, thanks for confirming.
Joel, I believe you're incorrect that Routt does not count for KC
I’m almost positive he does count as a signed UFA for KC, but not as a signed-away (loss) UFA for Oakland. That is, when calculating compensatory picks for KC, Routt will count against the net signed/lost numbers for KC, but won’t benefit Oakland’s signed/lost numbers because they cut him.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s how I recall the compensatory picks guru AdamJT explaining it on KFFL, where he and I both posted for well over a decade.
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by burntorangehorn on Feb 21, 2012 11:59 AM CST reply actions
I believe Joel is correct.
Per ct17 at Mockingthedraft.com
I again claim no credit for the basis behind this work, as I did nothing original. I shamelessly used AdamJT13’s publicly posted guidelines as best as I could. You can find his work at adamjt13.blogspot.com. Unfortunately it looks like he has abandoned his research. If you are unfamiliar with his work, the basics that affect comp picks are:
1. Players that are cut or not tendered as RFAs and ERFAs are not counted.
2. Players earning minimum salaries do not count.
3. Each player signed cancels out one player lost.
4. The round of the pick awarded is primarily determined by the annual value of the contract signed. Signed players cancel out lost players with equal contracts, then lower contracts, before canceling out higher contracts.
The Chiefs didn't cut anyone
The Raiders cut the dude so he is not counted for them. We signed a Route as a player so he will cancel out a player lost.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
But
signing a cut player still does not count towards the Chiefs.
Where does it say that?
After he was cut, Route became a free agent. It doesn’t say anything about signing players that were cut
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
So I guess that would mean
that if Brett Farve came out of retirement, signed a $15mil deal with KC, played 16 games, won SB MVP for us he wouldnt count when they are lookign at getting Comp Pick’s for losing Carr… That is the same thing as being cut according to the “logic” of not counting a cut player. What about a player who wasnt in the league a year for any reason like injury, personal, etc?
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I'll admit, I don't understand all this stuff
But it makes sense that Route would not count in favor of the Raiders position. If he did than every team would just cut underperforming/overpaid players to get a free pick.
It doesn’t make sense that he wouldn’t count against KC. When he was cut he became a FA, a FA we signed.
Then again, Goodell’s NFL is a screwy place.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
At the time of his signing
Route is basically a street free agent, not associated with any team when we signed him, i.e. we are not taking him from another team so he will not count when comp pics are calculated. I believe it is just that simple.
It's taken every ounce of my being to not go
grammar nazi on these fools posting Route all over the place.
When Carr's contract expires he will have no ties to the Chiefs....
ie. no team will be taking him from us
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I was just typing that...
Why cant the NFL just put out the F-IN rules on the Compensation Picks… Guess they couldnt fudge the books then :)
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
This, me thinks there is just a bit of Commish discretion that factors in
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Still not as bad as
the NBA choosing ping pong balls behind closed doors, for draft positions.
by Tarkus on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, no one is coming close to saying Stern runs a clean league
We all saw that Ewing draft “lottery.” Thing with Stern, is he doesn’t even try to hide the shadyness.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Stern is the worst commish of all the sports.
Goodell is a close second
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Im no fan of Selig by any means
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of watering down the post season.
5 playoff teams out of 15? That’s a third of the league. Yeah, let’s make those 162 LESS meaningful.
The way they're doing it
makes it more meaningful, really. By having a play-in game for the wildcard, they’re making winning your division way more important than it has been under the current format. Nobody wants to put all their playoff eggs into a one game basket.
I hate Selig as much as the next guy, but this is one thing I believe he’s doing right.
Good point.
I’m still not in favor of it. Yeah, your making it more important to win the division, but you’re also letting in another team that is going to be closer to .500. I see your argument, I just respectfully disagree.
That's fine.
There are two sides, and I’ve went round and round with other baseball fans. There is no right or wrong answer, but I like division titles meaning something again. I think that’s worth the trade-off of letting lesser teams have a shot.
If they stay at 5, I'll probably get used to it and be fine with it.
But if they expand again I’ll be pissed.
Hell no
Despite all the bullshit, both those guys have entertaining leagues. Sellig is BY FAR the worse.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Stern vetoed a trade and had a betting ring being run by his refs. Not even close. Stern is the worst.
6 1st round draft picks, 2 Super Bowl Champions and counting
by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to be more like Stern in the fake football league
Which by the way, we need to release the draft order ASAP
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I hate Stern and that rat-faced weasel he brings with him to all his news conferences.
Yes, release those picks NOW
6 1st round draft picks, 2 Super Bowl Champions and counting
by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 21, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
The sport of baseball sucks, there isn't much the commish can do for that
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Make it more like beer league softball
Encourage steroids. Pitch clock similar to shot clock, don’t pitch fast enough its a balk. Cut the season in half.
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Those last two would be phenomenal
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I love the shortened NBA season
It has me watching games almost every night. Then again, maybe its my sweet new home office that has me watching more games while I “work”
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Working from home now?
Best way to destroy production. At least for me.
I’ll study for about 15 minutes then wonder if there’s anything new on AP…
And the NBA season is drastically helped by the fact that there’s more talent in the league right now than there has been in decades.
That and Jeremy Lin.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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All except the steroids I'd be down with.
But it would still suck imo.
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Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
That's a pretty low brow comment
I don’t follow or particularly like hockey, but I wouldn’t say it sucks. To each his own.
Baseball is a complex game that requires a lot of understanding. It’s an acquired taste, I will give you that. I grew up on it.
I think the free agency period is like a buffer period for that purpose.....
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Again, I believe this is incorrect
Cut players do not count as a player lost, but can count as a player gained when signed by another team, IIRC. I am pretty sure Adam’s criterion about that just isn’t specific, but I could be wrong.
Then again, I’m on the way out the door, but I did a bit of research, and unfortunately all the immediate results yielded sites that reference Adam’s list of criteria, and make the same interpretation you do. I would need to find a source that references something other than that list to really have a good answer. As an alternative, I’ll see if I can go back and find some of Adam’s projections to see if any of the players signed and counted had been cut by their previous teams, which would be an indicator. I would be glad to find out Routt doesn’t count.
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― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Feb 21, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
what about this news...
"A team is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks if it is determined that they lost more or better players than they were able to acquire during the previous year’s free agency period. The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents (maximum of four)."
We’re not even in the FA period yet are we? If not… Routt won’t go against us.
That’s the difference between a cut player…and a player that enters FA when his contract expires.
I agree with this.
I think the free agency period is basically designed to help teams KEEP their free agents in place if they couldn’t come to an extension agreement during the expired contract period.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You could be right
I’d be interested in seeing something definite on it, although the NFL obviously guards its formula like Coca-Cola. They wouldn’t want to be subject to public analysis of uniformity and fairness, after all.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
― Isaac Asimov
by burntorangehorn on Feb 22, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions
So Orton counts against us, then? I don't think that's true.
I think the timing is whether the player was signed in the free agency period immediately following the expiration of his previous contract.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
So Waters didnt count against the Patriots because he was cut...
I didnt know that because a was cut they didnt count as a FA pickup when it concerns Comp Picks… That is good info to know now…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this....
But I would take carr over Bowe anyday of the week. Carr is such an underrated talent bowe is 27 granted that hes almost the same age as stanford routt. To me keeping carr and flowers and routt you have the absolute best DB group in the NFL hands down. but just from watching bowe the past few years he needs an attitude adjustment cassel has to throw over dwaynes head just so bowe can catch it. anytime a QB throws a curl route to bowe forget about him catching it.
Anywho, i’m ranting just hard to see carr go is all. If we can somehow get a 1st round or a high 2nd round pick for him ill feel a bit better but overall letting carr go will highlight piolis career as an abomination while in charge of the chiefs just like King Carl traded Jared Allen
Before they signed Routt I would have agreed.
Now, not so much.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel has to throw over his head?
He has no other choice cuz he can’t do any better…I’d love to see this offense without our #1 receiver. I think I got a nice glimpse in game 17 in Denver.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Feb 21, 2012 12:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve seen cassel have a great touch on the ball but hes too inconsistent. Plus its not fair to say because now we have a different Offensive coordinator with most of our weapons coming back. I like baldwin but Bowe gives a half assed effort quite a bit
by Zac Saleski on Feb 21, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe has been our leading receiver for quite some time.
We also have some terrible QB play. He should have gotten an automatic Pro Bowl election just because he had to deal with Palko and Cassel minus one Jamaal Charles.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Feb 21, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I prefer Carr over Bowe, too
but Cassel has shown he can only throw to him (and Moeaki when he was healthy) so I’m sure Pioli doesn’t want to commit marital suicide.
we have Rout ,Brown , Arenas and potenially Daniels at corner after Carr, not to mention Flowers
After Bowe, we have a slot receiver and an unproven guy that barely played last year. Carr is far more replaceable than Bowe is especially now
'' if you’re expecting something to look real fancy or nice, I don’t think that’s what you’re going to see here with this Chiefs team'', Todd Haley
Aint that the truth
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I hope Pioli can convince Bowe that everything you're saying is true.
Then Bowe would be more likely to sign before March 5, and we can tag Carr.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Proven young performer vs 50/50 crapshoot in the draft?
I just want my team to stay my team . . . ya know?
We develop him, he’s ours!
But if he wants 10+ mil per year...
We’re not his…
It's a wasted opportunity if he's allowed to walk just for a comp pic at the end of the 3rd round (at best)
He’ll be the #1 CB on the market & he’s just entering the prime of his career. Randy Moss was worth a 3rd to the Vikings for half a season, is anybody telling me that Carr wouldn’t be worth more than that to a desperate team?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Well Randy Moss is one of the best WRs... not just one of the best FA WRs
Carr isn’t a top 10 CB… he might be the best #2 CB though.
#1 corner on the market.
That’s debatable. There’s still the chance they sign Bowe and tag Carr. Be patient.
by polodude017 on Feb 21, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
This thing is not over, yet.
Not by a long sight it is not over. We will see what transpires.
"The Hammer"
I hope so
franchising Carr would go a long way in trying to move up for that number 1 pick
'' if you’re expecting something to look real fancy or nice, I don’t think that’s what you’re going to see here with this Chiefs team'', Todd Haley
Aint that the truth
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder how many they get this year
'' if you’re expecting something to look real fancy or nice, I don’t think that’s what you’re going to see here with this Chiefs team'', Todd Haley
Aint that the truth
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions
Considering FA hasn't even started and we've already made a relatively big signing
I’m guessing not many.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
No this year, as in this draft
we won’t see the Carr pick until next year
'' if you’re expecting something to look real fancy or nice, I don’t think that’s what you’re going to see here with this Chiefs team'', Todd Haley
Aint that the truth
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Probably none.
Lost… what Smith and a couple of guys I can’t remember, and signed Gregg, Breaston, Siler, plus all the others that we did retain?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Ahh I see
I have no idea. Looking at who we got vs. who we lost though, I’m guessing nothing.
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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
we got a 6th rounder last year
And we lost wade Smith and signed Lilja, Wiegman,Jones, Shaun Smith. We should get something
'' if you’re expecting something to look real fancy or nice, I don’t think that’s what you’re going to see here with this Chiefs team'', Todd Haley
Aint that the truth
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 21, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
mockingthedraft had an article
The Chiefs netted no Comp picks in 2012.
Lilja and Weigmann were similar signings to Routt this year. Cut players
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 21, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting
Like Steve said, i think there’s a difference between cut players and FA’s…
But yeah, I have no idea how it works.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Completely Missed Routt news yesterday
funny how having President’s day off, I ended up less informed about the chiefs than when i work…..
Not crazy about Routt over Carr, but i say this was competent GMing by Pioli. He took the conservative route in a way, taking the risk of not having a good corner at all if he doesn’t sign Routt and Carr walks. Its a downgrade, but not a big one and we get Berry back and have solid players in Lewis, Arenas, and Flowers, so it still remains a team strength.
Are you suggesting perhaps you are
perusing Arrowhead Pride whilst you are in the workplace? Surely not!
"The Hammer"
No, No Time Theft here
that would be like stealing.
no! he is a very solid #2 guy there at times can look like a #1
i think you did a great job on the price
What's more indicative of his ability
Last year or his previous years?
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I posted this on another thread yesterday and I'd love it if someone who I assume watched most of his games could answer:
-How is he in man?
-How is he in zone?
-How good is he one on one?
-How are his ball skills?
-How is he against the run?
-Were the penalties last year the norm or was that an abberation? Were all of them contact/coverage related or were some of them for stupid things like personal fouls, offsides, etc?
-How is he in the slot?
-How is he against smaller faster receivers?
-How is he against bigger receivers?
-How good is he in bump and run?
Totally understand if you can’t answer all of these. Thanks!
1. amazing i man
2. not so amazing in zone
3. great one on one
4. ball skills are above average
5.not so good on the run
6.his penalties were pretty much because of too aggresive play
7.he is fine in the slot as long as its a good matchup for him
8. he is fast so he has no problem with the small and fast guys
9. big problem with the big and fast guys
10. The man can do bump and run, but on occasion will get burned
overall, decent number #2, elite #3 corner
Thanks for the info man!
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Just for arguments sake
“A team is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks if it is determined that they lost more or better players than they were able to acquire during the previous year’s free agency period. The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents (maximum of four).”
We’re not even in the FA period yet are we? If not… Routt won’t go against us.
That’s the difference between a cut player…and a player that enters FA when his contract expires.
Screw the Routt Questions...
Where the hell did the Raider Chief rivalry go.. It just doesnt seem as intense as it did a few years ago. Anytime people talk about rivalry in the AFC west its about Oakland/San Diego.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Neither team is good
When you both suck whats the point?
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
hey, you guys are on the right track, you just had some bad injuries
a few trweeks at qb and a few solid lineman and your right back in it
Split opinion here
Some think it’s Luck, RG3 or bust. Others feel that Orton, Campbell, or Flynn would be all right.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
What Jeff George up to these days?
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Is Todd Marinovich available?
We’re getting desperate…
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully in peyton and the draft..
but thats just my oppinion.. if we go after peyton and get him he will only be here for a few years. So they would be smart to get a couple of guys to learn behind him.. Stanzi could be one.. who knows
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Christian Okoye was on KK about a month ago.
he said he had the same neck surgery and what surprised him was his arms and shoulders were . he said it took a long time to rehab and dealing with numb fingers and hands.
I’m not real hip on Peyton Manning.
Yeah..
The thing i dont want.. is Peyton to come to the Chiefs.. run a play and snap his neck off.. If he comes, I hope he is healthy!
"It's still real to me dammit!"
i think you should stay away peyton
flynn, campbell, maybe even Garrard from FA
but in the draft, i cant see luck or RG3 but i can see brandon weedan, ryan tannehill, plua i think kellen moore would be a great fit for you guys
What do you think about Campbell?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You know you're supposed to add water, right? And heat?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
We got Routt for half of what the Raiders were paying.
so the price wasn’t bad. I don’t have any pipe dreams of signing Carr now because were definately not paying a 3rd cornerback this kind of money when Arenas can do a solid job.
So yeah, we trade Carr for Routt. and save Clarks precious money.
anyone can get anybody from the raiders at half the raiders paid them
they over pay everyone
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
We just cant wait for you guys to cut aaron curry..
Half the people here said they wanted him for a 6th rounder..
"It's still real to me dammit!"
I actually wanted him coming out of the draft
and was pissed we took Tjax instead….Now, not so much
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
yeah well..
at the time, i had bought into the pioli for president bullcrap.. so i was willing to give tjax a shot.. now i know better
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Are you saying TJax is a bad player?
Especially after there have been numerous posts about how he is actually a good player. http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/2/12/2792058/breaking-down-the-chiefs-tyson-jackson
one mans post isnt another mans thought…
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
What?
It’s not my thought. It’s another users.
It’s an in depth breakdown of what Tyson Jackson has done on the field. It’s actual proof he is not a bad player that people like to spew out as an automatic retort.
exactly. in fact, those who say hes not any good are the ones with the wrong opinion based off nothing
now, has he lived up to 3rd overall pick status? heck no, but its not like paying him that money set this team back, they needed a 3-4 end, and the guy is improving.
totally agree
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
Yes he is doing good
yes the pick doesnt matter, No, nobody here even said he was bad, kcgiant assumed that.
Does Tjax being “broken down” mean that people cant wish they took another player instead of Tjax?
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yes? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Or something like that
I will say that I agree that beliving T-Jax to be a good player doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done better.
although that draft REALLY sucked…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I know it wasnt your post
but that breakdown doesnt mean anyone has to like Tjax or the pick at the time..I didnt see anyone here calling him “bad player” you assumed that Matt in KC was suggesting that. I took it as more that he felt we could have done better with someone else
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
"I was willing to give TJax a shot, now I know better"
Sounds kind of like poo-poo’ing on Jackson to me.
But I’m usually pretty confused.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
ask him what he meant
until then, lets assume
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
If that's not what he meant, then he misspoke
His meaning was clearly that he trusted Pioli with Jackson, but now knows better than to trust Pioli.
The clear implication is that Jackson isn’t a good player.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I just typed a reply
Then I realized what you were doing.
Rec’d for being subtle.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Eh, at some point things are so straightforward they don't really require further explanation.
That exact statement wouldn’t be misunderstood in any context.
“I was willing to give TRSChief a chance…now I know better” still means that TRSChief is not worth giving a chance.
It’s really that simple.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
I dont care how correct you guys are on this matter
still wrong in my book : )
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
What the hell, man?
I’ve never been correct about anything in the history of AP. I’m not about to start now!
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
im not sure on the status on curry
its never been brought up at S&BP but, no news is good news….. for the raiders. we like curry
So I hear
Word is that your other CB may be out of town plus a Linebacker or Two?
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
not sure about the corner but linebackers yes
particularly kamerion wimbley but free safety michael huff is on the block too
wimbley set to make 11 Mil?
yea cant see paying that…
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
if you like double digit sacks per season
and multiple missed tackles and horrible coverage then take him, he’s not the player we’re looking for
I am with you though
he isnt worth 11 mil. not even half of that
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
yea,
the raiders are trying to make cap room for FA and Draft plus getting rid of the undisciplined players like routt for example. the only way to decrease penalties is to get rid of the problem players. alot of raider fans wanted symour to go.. he is an asshole and does stupid stuff
yeah, it was stupid of him
to block those two field goals.. smh
Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"
Ugh. No thanks.
I hate bad tackling. One of my biggest pet peeves.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Drama left With Haley
I’d hate to call Big Ben too, but i guess it is Todd’s job now, Todd, you were “brought in to fix the QB” or something like that.
Why cant Big Ben call him?
I cant wait for the drama thats about to unfold in Pitt. this season… Getting my pop corn ready
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
It's not the greatest start, to be sure
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Did you read the article or watch the video?
Or did you just see the article title and jump to a biased conclusion? I’m not defending Haley by any means but at least read something before you spit out a retort.
The combine/draft is coming up and he has to evaluate other players in his system. And their best deep threat might be leaving. He has other things to do.
by kcgiant06 on Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wallace is a goner
they said that they couldnt afford the price to tag him. So they better re-construct more contracts, release people, or re-sign him quick
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
And
you better have time to get bent over if you want to please Big Ben
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
by ChiefWildcat on Feb 21, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I read the article, did you?
It is a title that makes you want to read it, and i did. I don’t care if Haley has called him or not, i think its hilarious its even an issue. Glad the drama is gone, and if it emplodes in Pitt, good, i hate the steelers.
I completely agree. The drama is gone.
I just wanted to make sure you read the article. I’m tired of people on this site spouting off things without actually reading something. Thinking they know every inside detail. When in fact all of us are in the dark to these issues.
Really?
He’s so busy he doesn’t have time to make a phone call to his leader on offense? He doesn’t have a spare five minutes?
I agree.
He should have called the quarterback. I gave my reasons why he doesn’t have to suck up to Big Ben. Maybe he wants to prove that the player should come to the coach. I don’t know. I’m not Todd Haley. I just wanted to see if he actually read the report, and not make an uninformed decision.
Why cant LIL ben call him?
and besides that, why would Ben even say shit to the media. He is a little spoiled bitch..
If I was Haley, I would have called. But If I was Ben, I would have probably called Haley. And I also would have not whined like a bitch
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Agree on both could have communicated by now, has it been 2 weeks now?
its such a dumb thing to worry about and as kcgiant said, there are more important things going on. Big Ben has always been a big tool
Todd is the new guy and the authority figure.
It’s on him to reach out to try and build a relationship with the most important guy on his watch. Whether or not Big Ben is an asshat is irrelevant to that.
Its on him to what?
Make Ben feel “important”? Fuck Ben. If he has a problem with Haley not calling, he should call Haley and ask why he hasnt called, not talk to the media about it. Being an asshat isnt irrelevant because its that exact reason why this is even an issue.
People keep forgetting that these are grown men. When you get a new boss at work, he doesnt have to say shit to you. Just be lucky you have a job and get back to work
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Who said anything about making him feel important?
I specifically said build a relationship, not making him feel important. Ben already is important; he doesn’t need Todd for that. If Todd’s attitude is the same as yours (“Fuck Ben”) then he’ll be the one lucky to have a job.
Thats what its about
Ben doesnt feel “Important” and if you cant see that, you shouldnt even be debating this. My attitude is fuck Ben because he is a scum bag , PERIOD. If everyone had this" kiss players asses and treat them like babies" attitude like YOU do, then the NFL would be a bunch of spoiled babies.
And I am DONE!!!
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Would this have anything to do
With a personal distaste for Ben?
Because your reaction seems a tad emotional.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I dont like ben for the obvious
but I also dont feel people should make it seem as if Haley is wrong for not calling Ben in the 2 weeks since he has been hired, Whether wrong or right, Ben is a piece of work for not handling it with Haley instead of using the media.
And “tad” emotional had more to with someone else rather than Ben
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Ah I see
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I have a personal distaste for him too.
That has nothing to do with what I said above or how Todd should be handling their relationship, though. One has nothing to do with the other. I actually like Haley a hell of a lot more than Ben, but that’s not what this is about.
Putting that aside
how is Haley wrong for not calling Ben in the short 2 weeks he was hired, but yet Ben isnt for telling the media instead of Haley?
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not defending Ben.
Most of us already know he’s an asshole. I was only commenting on Haley’s part in this. As the leader and authority figure, he’s supposed to be above all that.
Honestly, I could care less if Haley ever calls Ben or if they become best friends.. I am just hoping Haley signs Palko and starts him instead of Ben
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with Tarkus
I don’t think Ben should’ve been talking to the media about it (although I’d have to see the context. IF he was directly asked then there’s no reason to lie).
But… I still see it as Haley’s role to make the call.
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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
there is a reason to lie
if media asked Bowe"do you guys import women?"…he should probably say no…Ben could have said no comment if he chose to not lie…
Why should Haley have to make a call within 2 weeks of being hired? Is that a rule? How do we know what the timeline is for coaches to contact player? Its a another non story that is trying to make it seem that there is an issue at hand
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
I meant I'm with him on it being something Haley should do...
Then I kinda branched out :)
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
who defending everything Haley does?
I am defending THIS move, or non move….So Ben doesnt get a call, go fucking cry a river. There could be plenty of OCs who dont call the QB either, and there could be plenty that do.. Ben is being sensitive.
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
It falls on the new boss to talk to his workers
Not the other way around.
Now, football may be a different animal, but that seems to be the general rule in the workplace, especially regarding your most important employees.
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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
in a workplace
you would have a meeting. Haley doesnt have to call anyone yet.
He can build his relationship later. Plenty of time. If there is something thats a problem, its more Ben telling media then Haley not calling IMO
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can see your point
I disagree, as i believe a new OC should talk to his best player right away and begin developing rapport immediately.
But either way Ben shouldn’t be talking to the media about it (unless, as I said above, he was directly asked)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
either way
Id rather have them hate each other and bring down this steelers team. So hopefully Ben doesnt ever get a call, not even to start.
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
hmm
via Schefter: Those interested in a Pro-Bowl guard. RT @15miller: Carl Nicks said new contract has to be more than teammate J Evans $56.7 M dollar deal.
Jahri Evans
5/5/2010: Signed a seven-year, $56.7 million contract. The deal included a $12 million signing bonus. 2012: $3 million, 2013: $7.2 million, 2014-2015: $6.8 million (+ $500,000 roster bonuses), 2016: $8 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2017: Free Agent
No reason we could do a 7 year 59.5 mil deal. That’s 8.5 per…
Might as well do it while you CAN
I guess they COULD do that deal.
But I’d probably rather go after Grubbs for a fraction of the cost.
Yikes
Yeah he’s hitting the market.
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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I dont blame him either.
He’s already got a ring, now he wants to get paid. Good for him.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
is 37 million enough to be pretty active in free agency ?
knowing we still need to sign bowe ?
well i mean bowe will cost about 9 million
we need about 5 million for draft picks , and prob another 5 mill for other free agents on our team. thats already 19 mill. 37-19 leaves us with about 18 mill. thats not including Routt. doesnt seem to hight to me .
draft money isnt "fuck you" money anymore
we have enough to snag a big fish for sure and grab a few solid guys
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
true
just hoping we can lock up some of our players and still get solid players . lol
We shouldnt have a problem
they have a way of making things work
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
hell no they cant
Id tell them to draft someone, but the used those all up too : )
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
i REALLY can not see carr wanting to go to the raiders.
1. he loves the chiefs to much.
2. he wants a competitive team with alot of money im sure .
good sport...: )
I think this new guy you guys brought in will change the OLD raiders way…
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
You guys may be in for a rough year or two as he breaks stuff down
But I genuinely think he’s got the right idea. Get rid of the bad, suck for a year or two while you start over, then build the RIGHT way
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Ha! Maybe so...
Take the Herm era with better coaching and I’m thrilled with it :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I've always wondered
what the Chiefs would look like if Herm was allowed to blow up the team his first year, instead of having to wait until year 3. And I wanted him to get his way all along, because I knew Vermeil’s team was living on borrowed time.
Agree completely, he was well on his way to building a dominant 4-3 defense
His offense is kind of left to speculation, I don’t wonder if we wouldn’t still be counting on brodie croyle or something
If nothing else
he’d have probably left the next guy a hell of a lot more to work with (though he did leave several nice pieces as it was).
I agree
I think the team would’ve been in better shape had he been allowed to blow things up right away.
He wasn’t much of a coach, but MAN did they kill that ’08 draft…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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Cottam, Morgan, and Franklin in consecutive picks.
Cottam got injured, but that was the knock on him coming out. Just sayin.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Meh
Every draft will have a few guys that didn’t pan out.
It’s pure fan silliness when we think that every draft “should” produce at least one very good player, several starters, and several role players. Drafts like that are few and far between
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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And will hopefully get fewer for us.
If things start going well, going The Patriot Way you might say, then 2012 and maybe 2013 might be the last really exciting drafts we have for a long time.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You know, I wouldn't mind doing things the Patriots way
But I hope we do better with our picks.
BB hasn’t fared all that well with the draft recently IMO other than his TEs…
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
you could be incredibly active in signing big names. or re-signing your own like oh i dont know
colquitt!!!!!
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
ellis hobbs:47 tackles, 3 int, 11 pd's, 1.5 sacks.
carr. 45 tackles 4 int’s 15 pd’s.
hobbs was 25 when traded for TWO* fifth rd draft picks.
Carr is now 25, when allowed to walk for 3rd rd compensation
pioli is doing backflips right now hes so happy
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
id love to see carr outside the division, because unlike ellis, i think carr has a good career
but thats just because i couldnt stand to see our* 39 in a raider uni
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
If that's how it goes down
Was Hobbs still under contract? Because that distinguishes the two situations
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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yes. but with all the "franchise and trade carr" comments, its not too far off, and that snot even the point
the point is, same point in their career’s, same production
and pioli took 2 5th’s instead of giving him a brand new contract
hes doing the same with carr except taking a 3rd to let him walk instead of handing him a brand new contract
how is that not the same? because hes not technically trading him while under contract? cmon man. how many other things need to be alike in this scenario
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
trust me, there are a lot of players that our gm is gunna let go and a lot of contracts to be reconstructed
our gm has stated we are going to make a lot of roster and contract changes
finnegan to the raiders seems like a good fit
I am not a big fan from the comments of him wanting to be a dirty player, but he can play.
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
yes he can
though a lot of raider fans want carr strictly because of his familiarity of the division
god hopes they dont
he is tired of bailing him out
by TheScreenName on Feb 21, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Is Seymour rumored to be on the chopping block?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Has he said he's willing to do so?
I just ask because I think he’d be a GREAT player to bring along Bailey with, and allow us to trade Dorsey while upgrading the defense.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Yeah, he can teach Bailey how to handle DBs.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I assume you mean douche bags
and not defensive backs…
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 21, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for letting me know
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
as you should. best move the raiders made was to gut the entire thing and start over
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
id prefer that.
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
ill be back later you guys. im studying for my archeology midterm
im a psychology major, for some reason im taking this class
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