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Just some thoughts and Bold Predictions

Since the Stanford Routt signing a lot of ideas have been banging around in my head and I just wanted to put em out there and see what you guys think about it.


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Would Bowe be a team player and push harder for a long term deal for the benefit of the franchise?

This is what I mean by this. Bowe has made it very public that he wants to stay in Kansas City and every interview he has done lately he speaks as though he is still part of the team. If I'm Kansas City I go to Bowe and I tell him something to this effect:

"Dwayne, we want you back and we both know that we are going to put the Franchise Tag on you before free agency starts if we can't come to terms. The tag is followed more than likely with a long term deal. So what I'm proposing here is that we get you signed long term so we can put the tag on Carr and pick up some picks via trade, which will help you and the offense improve."

It could work right? I think both sides know where each other are, skip the games and compromise on a contract that you will probably end up with even after all the stunts. Which brings me to my next thought

Brandon Carr is a goner one way or another

I think the most logical situation where Carr stays is where Routt is a utility secondary player. Moving from S, to corner as Crennel sees fit. Kind of like the Shaun Smith of the secondary, keeping everybody fresh while getting a big amount of snaps. A pseudo-starter if you will.

Still, it's a freaking long shot, you don't pay that kind of money for depth. That said, we are getting compensated for Carr no matter what. Hopefully it's a tag and trade situation where we have locked up Bowe long term. If not we will get a compensatory pick.

This is where people are getting ridiculous. I don't think that Carr will net us a third round pick. He is far from the best FA available, he honestly probably won't get the biggest FA CB contract. Grimes and Finnegan will command some serious coin on the market. I expect a fifth maybe a fourth in compensatory picks. Which is why a tag and trade will net us MUCH more. However,

Stanford Routt will probably make us forget Brandon Carr

Romeo Crennel has a knack for getting a lot out of his defensive players. Routt has unreal speed and receiver-like hands, getting a lot out of an athlete like Routt is going to create a major boom for our defense. I'm not going out and saying that he is going to rival Brandon Flowers but I definitely think that Routt will be good enough where we don't miss Carr.

It's hard not to feel like we are on the cusps of an exciting free agency period

The Chiefs are the big fish in the pond again, I know we have been for a while but this year there is a difference. The defense is near elite status and the offense is going to be getting back a lot of what made them special in 2010. It's probably more true this year than in years past, but the Chiefs are almost a team that can contend with the big boys week in and week out.

Pile that on to the fact that Pioli may be GM'ing for his life here and I think we may have a perfect storm on our hands here. I'm not expecting us to go all Redskins and sign every big name free agent on the market, I am however expecting Pioli to be a little less hesitant to make a splash in free agency.

Kyle Orton is the Chiefs best fit at QB, but Cassel is probably going to be our Starter and that's okay

Orton has one skill that he is elite in. The play action fake. In an offense that features players who can play the run just as well as the pass (Charles, Bowe, McClain, Moeaki) Orton's play action ability is a very useful, very dangerous weapon.

Still, the way that Crennel and Pioli have been talking, it seems like Cassel is going to be our starter next year. You know what though? I'm okay with that. Daboll has gotten a lot out of mediocre QB's and that's just what Cassel is. However, Cassel is consistently mediocre, whereas Orton is more like Dr. Jekkyl and Mr. Hyde. with how hot and cold he is. On Orton's best days he is among the Phillip Rivers and Matt Ryan's of the world, on his bad days you start saying Tebow is the better option.

I think that Daboll will be able to get a lot out of Cassel especially considering we will be running more hurry up, which Cassel has shown a knack for in the past.

The QB competition for Cassel will be Jason Campbell

Campbell looked like a solid consistent starter with Oakland last year before he went down with injury. He showed that with a solid running game he can push an offense as far as the coach needs him to. Also we would complete the circle of having every mediocre QB in the AFC West run through KC. Well, I guess we still need to give Billy Volek a go for that to happen.

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Today gives me hope

That maybe Pioli prys loose Hunts checkbook and actually signs guys this off season. I am very hard on our GM. But, this was an aggressive , home run of a move that has been lacking since he got here. Pioli , seeing that losing Carr was a real possibility , went out and got a guy that a lot of teams were after and signed him. Now, he has some leverage with Carr. Great move today, whether it pans out remains to be seen , but a great move regardless.

I am not sure if Rout is an upgrade or not. Statisticly , they put up eerily similar numbers this year. But, Rout is 3 years older and had 17 penalties against him. That really concerns me a lot. How does a corner , get that many penalties? It is crazy number that is for sure

I want Bowe to sign a deal for 2 reasons. 1 it keeps him here long term 2 you can franchise Carr and hopefully answer my prayers and use him in a package to get the number 1 pick. I sense something brewing here. It is critical we get Bowe resigned before March 3rd.

By the way, it isn’t ok if Cassel is our starter. Neither is it ok for Orton or Jason Cambell to start for this team. I don’t want anymore retread jags on this team.

'' if you’re expecting something to look real fancy or nice, I don’t think that’s what you’re going to see here with this Chiefs team'', Todd Haley

Aint that the truth

by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 21, 2012 3:43 AM CST reply actions  

I too like the aggression

And the fact that it creates options for us, whereas before it was “re-sign/tag Carr or risk taking a huge step backward on D.”

I too want to see us move for a potentially great QB. However, if it came down to a choice, I’d prefer Orton or Campbell over Cassel

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 21, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to keep Carr and Routt both.

I also want Bowe to sign a long term deal. If we do have to let someone go, it looks like Carr would be the one. That is fine as long as we get value for him (2nd round or better).

I too will be fine when Cassel starts next season. 11-5 and 10-6 are not fluke season and with healthy tools to work with he will be lighting up the score boards once again (especailly if we can fill out our O-Line via the draft / FA’s

by DivineGrace on Feb 21, 2012 4:03 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think Pioli is scared for his job and has as much job security as any GM in the league.

With around 600 FA’s hitting the job market we almost have to be a player. Bowe will be here if he wants to be here, and I am unsure of that or of what he says about that. If he goes, oh well, not much we can do about it but keep on keepin on. Sure, I think he is good for the team and we could use him, but that goes for almost any guy who can play. As far as QB options go, I really like Shaun Hill, the backup from Detroit. If I was Scotty, my focus would be on QB Hill, Center Meyers from the Texans, NT from the Jets, and OT, maybe Brown from the Cards or the backup from Cincy. We need a competent RT, but he don’t have to be all world, just competent. Then the draft would be a wide open canvas letting us do whatever happens in our favor.

by dubld on Feb 21, 2012 6:13 AM CST reply actions  

No potential starting QB will be signed

The mouth pieces for the team have made it clear that they are building to contend for championships year in and year out.

The fact is this team still has some large holes and not enough quality back ups who can step in, and this is a year they can fix much of both. This is also the year that a serviceable starting QB can be had about as cheaply as possible in what they have to pay Cassell, so why pay similar or more money for someone else who on any given Sunday will be about the same? So they won’t and will elect to fix the holes instead.

My QB prediction is they will bring in a Chad Henne and/or a Chase Daniels type as a back up, and really see what Stanzi has with a full off-season of work before they reach for the “Star”. Although if “Deer in the headlights” goes 30/12/3600 with a 90+ rating this year, will you be OK with him for 2 or 3 more years?

With 12%+ of the cap now tied up in CB’s and Kendrick Lewis’ contract needing to be redone next year at the latest, the DB’s make up a huge chunk of cap space, so except for late round draft picks or veteran minimums this area is done.

I think it is 80/20 Bowe gets tagged as Pioli would probably prefer not to pay him big long term $$$ without showing one more year of consistency—off the playing field.

So that leaves the obvious holes at NT, RT, and LG

Soliai is likely to get close to Wilfork money which was $40 for 5 or about $8/year
Nicks is at $8 mill/year if he gets to free Agency

I predict the Daboll connection gets us Soliai at $35 for 5 with $20 guaranteed as not too many teams are going to have the space to make this position a bidding war as he and his agent will find out, and this will be the one big piece of the puzzle filled.

That means no f/a guard so DeCastro in first, RT/TE in 2nd/3rd/4th, and a training camp veteran OT who is cut late next summer. RB/DB with remainder of picks.

by SinceMG on Feb 21, 2012 6:14 AM CST reply actions  

Well reasoned....

I agree completely. So do you think Carr is gone?

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Dressen

I’d love to see us maybe sign TE Joel Dressen from the texans.

by KC_Nasty on Feb 21, 2012 6:49 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

I like him

or Tamme, Chandler, or Carlson, though injuries bug me with Carlson…there are a TON of FA TE’s available…

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 21, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Connection

I could also see Henne coming in because of Daboll and possibly NT Shaun Rogers because of the RAC ties

by KC_Nasty on Feb 21, 2012 6:52 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

I know it would not be popular

but a lot of Dolphins fans I speak to all have really good things to say about Henne.

by Steve_in_RI on Feb 21, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Who do you suggest?

Luck and RG3 will get picked first and second overall. Trading up to either pick will cost too much, and other, more critical holes will go unfilled or inadequately filled. The rest of the QB field in the draft are long shots at best. The only free agent QB that will be able to come in and decisively take the job from Cassel is Brees, and, assuming NO only tags him, we can’t afford to make a move for him. Manning’s career may be effectively over, whether he wants to retire or not. Orton, Campbell, etc. are just different versions of Cassel; like him, they’re just average. Flynn is the only QB I can find who offers both a legitimate chance of being the QB of the future and a chance of actually getting. While I’m hoping to see him in red and gold for 2012, I don’t expect it to happen.

Cassel’s passer rating is right around the NFL average, and there just aren’t a lot of significantly better options realistically available to us.

by Jaywalk3r on Feb 21, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Orton

is not just another different version of Cassel.

Orton is much more accurate and has a much better pocket prescence. They may both be prone to turnovers, but Orton can convert on third downs. All Cassel does during 3rd downs is get 2 yards with his dink passes. Cassel also cant read a defense while Orton can, and he tends to stare his receivers down.

by andrew33 on Feb 21, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Stats suggest Cassel is the better of the two.

I haven’t seen anything from Orton to suggest otherwise.

by Jaywalk3r on Feb 21, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

cuz you dont watch the games

by andrew33 on Feb 21, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Cause you didn't watch

Orton in Denver or Chicago now did you?

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 21, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I have watched the games.

Which is why I don’t doubt the stats.

by Jaywalk3r on Feb 21, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Jason Campbell.......NO!

Not no way, not no how! (The aforementioned statements are paraphrased colloquialisms from the Wizard of OZ. They are meant as humorous expressions of negative sentiment. I am the Hammer and I approved this message.)

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Feb 21, 2012 8:02 AM CST reply actions  

Me neither. We need

Campbell like we need a hole in the head.

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Feb 21, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I like cambell, I think he has alot more talent than orton and cassell.

Our best option, might as well dump cassell save as much time as we can getting away from that failure attempt in getting him in the first place.

by chad unit on Feb 21, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree on the tag and trade of Carr

and signing bowe to long term bit can see us being able to compete with the big boys till we get our franchise QB even saying we make a nice splash in FA with out the most important part of the team the leader who should be the QB we will be nothing more then winning the AFC west and getting blown out in the 1st round of the playoffs we need to make that FA splash and trade up and take RG3 or Luck if we do want to compete week in and week out with the big boys imo

by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 21, 2012 11:42 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

great post, glad other people see routt pretty much means carr is gone.

seeing people say move routt to S and get carr. I dont see how people can even think of doing that? We got berry and lewis who are both great, we got routt half the price of carr odds are and just as talented, we got flowers adding to an already to expensive secondary as is, and javier who is starting to turn out ok at nickle.

I dont see room for carr anyway at this time.

by chad unit on Feb 21, 2012 9:18 PM CST reply actions  

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