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Stanford Routt Had Multiple Offers Before Signing With Chiefs

I was reading through the (other) AP story on the Kansas City Chiefs signing Stanford Routt and noticed this from the reporter, Dave Skretta:

Routt spent several days in Kansas City before choosing the Chiefs over competing offers from Buffalo, Cincinnati, Houston, New Orleans, Minnesota and Tennessee.

We'd heard other teams were interested but didn't realize there were multiple offers on the table as the AP reports. Routt visited the Buffalo Bills and Cincinnati Bengals as well. We saw some reports say he was "close" to a deal with the Bills before signing with the Chiefs.

This doesn't mean anything for the Chiefs on the field next season but I'm always interested how the rest of the league views the guys the Chiefs sign. That multiple teams were interested in Routt and he chose KC is a good feeling. Maybe it was for the money or maybe it was for the opportunity, but KC got a guy others wanted.

(And, yes, I'm ignoring the possibility that six teams offering him could be agent-driven info. Let me be happy about a signing for a while first!)

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Not sure about those other teams

but Minnesota I expect to be one of the few teams looking for a #1 CB and to spend for one

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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

And St. Louis?

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by Brsrkr on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Takeaway

Routt is good.

Carr is very good.

Bowe is very good.

We need to sign Bowe so we can tag and trade Carr.

by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 3:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

keep dreaming

imo
bowe is tagged
carr is already looked at as a 3rd round comp pick

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

If that’s our plan why not spend an extra few million or so to get Bowe signed, in effect purchasing the difference between a 1st and the end of the 3rd.

by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

simple. then carr is owed 10 mil if kc cant trade him

when has this team ever liked to risk that kind of money?

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

wow, i have to disagree.

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

What would be so hard about it?

Over half the league would be after him

by Chiefs447 on Feb 20, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You could always trade for less than a 2nd. It wouldn’t be that hard to move him.

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Feb 20, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

he would be very easy to trade

they can give permission to discuss contract extensions. whatever we get would be a bonus for getting Bowe to sign early.

Gained leverage on two players without dealing with either one.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it would be easy to trade Carr

He’s seen as a great corner around the league, and it doesn’t have to be two first round picks.

Didn’t we tag and trade Allen? And he had more issues off-field then Carr.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

would not be difficult

too important of a position and he’d get that much in the deal from another team easily anyways. Would be in his best interest to seriously consider any deal for risk of playing on a ONE year deal we could STILL afford.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Tag & Trade hypothetical question

If we signed Bowe to a long term deal today, couldn’t we tag Carr today and start shopping him in a trade? Thus allowing someone else to get a free agent CB before free agency opens up.

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by The Gentry on Feb 20, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

dont believe you can trade a tagged player before the new league year begins

But I could be wrong on that.

I do think they should be giving Bowe a deadline to reach a deal that is one day before the franchise tag deadline ends though.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

Just thinking outside the box…and outside the rules

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by The Gentry on Feb 20, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why Manning can't be traded.

Because his bonus is due before teams can make a trade. And you’re not going to trade someone after you just gave them a $28M roster bonus.

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by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course. I should have made this connection.

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by The Gentry on Feb 20, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

No team would want to pay Carr that much money

Without a contract worked our in advance.

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by nateforchiefs on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

They say the same thing about every franchised player

And some of them do get traded either way.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't.

Just might not get the compensation we’d hope for.

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by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You kidding?

That is around what Carr is going to get anyways, and its below 10 mil btw.

by andrew33 on Feb 20, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

But thats

the risk Pioli probably would be willing to make. Pioli knows there are a lot of teams that would jump to trade a 2nd round pick for Carr (Carr is a proven CB who had a great season this year). He knows Chiefs have a lot of money to spend, and either Chiefs pay Carr 9.5 mil for one year if they cant trade him for whatever reason, or they wont let him walk away for free.

So basically traded Carr for Routt and a 2nd rounder

by andrew33 on Feb 20, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

hes not taking the risk of possibly paying carr 10 million dollars, thats the point, period, it comes down to money, and the chiefs wont be paying 3 corners over 6-7 mil a year, period.

they arent letting him walk for free

for the 100th time

if he walks, kc nabs a 3rd round comp pick

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

But

there are definitely teams out there that would trade a 2nd rounder for Carr. A lot of teams are high on Carr, and the sheer number of teams interested would give leverage to the Chiefs.

Worst case scenario, Carr plays for Chiefs one more year and Chiefs give him 9.5 mil. But I believe that there is legitimate league wide interest in Carr for Pioli to slap a tag on him.

by andrew33 on Feb 20, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Carr

has also had 2 or 3 bad years, many of games i cursed his name for getting burnt or letting a first down happen… and after Routt getting signed for 7M a year arguably second best CB FA it kind of screwed Carr on the asking price so his best bet would be to resign with the Chiefs for about 8 or 9 Mil… or let himself get tagged and hope he could get traded…

by BlackDoom on Feb 20, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I highly doubt Carr brings back a 1st and I bet the 3rd round pick is much closer to what he’ll get.

I’d guess at most he would bring back a mid-2nd rounder.

by manofnothi on Feb 21, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

carr to stl

RG3 to KC

Trade up for RGIII and profit

by ArrowheadHunter on Feb 20, 2012 3:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I think it'll take a whole lot more than that...

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Feb 20, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe they can throw in Bradford, too. You know...to make it fair.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Feb 20, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I could get behind a trade that sends....

Cassel and Carr to St Louis…. and brings …..

Bradford and a 2nd round Pick to K.C..

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by CatChief on Feb 20, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

We might be the only ones who could fit him under the salary cap.

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by Brsrkr on Feb 20, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

CARR'S NUMBER ISN'T ALREADY RETIRED‽

WHAT THE FUCK, CLARK HUNT‽ WHY DON’T YOU JUST DIG UP JOE DELANEY’S CORPSE SO YOU CAN PISS ON IT‽

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by MtHammer on Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I googled Carr a little bit ago

and a Vikings jersey with the # 34 popped up. That is something to look out for

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by KingChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

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by KingChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Carr to the Pats

More likely… just my guess, but that’s only if we tag him

by Spiderwomn69 on Feb 20, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

They give us one of their #1s & I'd be down

Or maybe we give #11 & Carr to Cincy for both of their 1st rounders & a 2nd

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by jmcgoblue on Feb 20, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yah John Clayton suggested the Vikes or Titans...

Would be interested since they play a lot of zone coverage. That would be two interesting teams.

by jsChiefs23 on Feb 20, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

It definitely would take more.

Somebody earlier suggested throwing in Carr with Dorsey, our 1st, and a 3rd. It still might take more that that but it would be a start.

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by MtHammer on Feb 20, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

There will be some teams offering up some crazy shit for that pick...no doubt.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Feb 20, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Their loss is our gain

Good for the chiefs to make this move,and good for him wanting to play for the chiefs.this can only make the team stronger and better.

by chiefsfool on Feb 20, 2012 3:26 PM CST reply actions  

Of Course he signed here

Our D is good and getting better, how could he not want to play for Romeo? Still bummed we are likely losing Carr.

by Spiderwomn69 on Feb 20, 2012 3:28 PM CST reply actions  

don't hold your breath

in a pass happy league it would make sense to have 3 great corners on the lineup…

by johnnyo_99 on Feb 20, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ummm what?

by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 3:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

its getting really annoying having to freaking put something to cover my rear everytime i say anything that isnt 100 percent yay brandon carr, yes the chiefs will sign himn

dude, the chiefs just drafted jalil brown
the chiefs spent a 2nd on arenas who is improving
the chiefs spent 50 mil and 20 mil respectively on 2 starting corners

Carr is GONE

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Pioli’s plan is probably to say bye to Carr, but it is logical for him to try and throw money at bowe for a long term deal, slap the tag on carr and trade him.

by andrew33 on Feb 20, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree, thats the smart move, the move id make if madden had a franchise tag

but its most likely not happening.

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not?

All that needs to happen is for Bowe to take the long term deal which Chiefs can definitely throw him a large contract. Then everything works itself out and Pioli just tags franchise tag.

by andrew33 on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Gone or tagged.... I don't think Pioli lets him walk for nothing in return....

All that hinges on Bowe getting signed of course.

Awaiting my punishment.

by BigRedChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

hes not.

if he walks, he gets a 3rd round comp pick in return

to pioli, that is not nothing

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you assume it's a third?

Isn’t it a calculation of free agents lost versus free agents gained?

by Wizeguy on Feb 20, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

according to wikipedia,
the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player’s salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor.

So you’re right, and he’s probably right too. Cause we all know he’s gonna get paid, and will start.

by Chris Sembower on Feb 20, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Arenas was getting picked on last year as the number 3 guy. I don’t think he is an overly solid number 3. And no one has seen anything from Jalil Brown to indicate he is a solid 4 or 5, much less a 3.

by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 3:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

disagree....he got picked on early, settled down, and was a strength on the defense.

jalil brown is used as an example because they like him, they just drafted him, and hes another option

solid 4 or 5? you really have high standards for that 3 corner

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes the nickel corner is important.

And Arenas got picked on in December.

by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 6:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't like it either

but still, getting a compnsatory 3rd round pick isn’t a total loss IMO.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll bet Pioli is allready working hard to construct a deal that gets a 2nd for Carr.....

Plus I am not crazy about either Brown or Arenas as a 3rd Cover CB. Arenas key value is a return guy and Brown could be more of a Safety in Nickel and Dime Packages. With an extra 2nd or 3rd pick Pioli could get a nice Cover CB to play 3rd CB.

2nd round: Minnifield (Va), Johnson (Ia St), Gilmore (SC).
3rd round: Trumaine Johnson (Mont), Hosely (VaTch), Boykin (Ga), Judie (Tx A&M)

My favorites are Gilmore, Minnifield and either Johnson.

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by CatChief on Feb 20, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Arenas is a great Cover guy

We can find Returners every year in the draft.

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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Never underestimate the appeal of sticking it to the team that cut you twice per year for the next three years.

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by MtHammer on Feb 20, 2012 3:29 PM CST reply actions  

Chiefs need a proven tight end

The chiefs need a proven tight end for security,Pope isnt the answer.or am i wrong as usual.

by chiefsfool on Feb 20, 2012 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

you're still sleeping, aren't you

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by upamtn on Feb 20, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha nope! Just too tired to learn sarcasm font

Put off today what can be done tomorrow.

How do you like the Routt signing? Did we just re-Routt Bowe and Carr’s career paths? Or maybe now we have a direct Routt set up for netting some great draft picks? Speaking of Routts, my wireless Routters been acting up. Piece of Routten junk.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He's like a white Gronkowski.

Wait, what?

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by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

so how bad

do the rams need a CB and is it a realistic option to tag and
trade carr as part of a deal with them?

by MaTTDoGG12 on Feb 20, 2012 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

They need 1 REAL bad

I think they had double digits on IR in CBs alone last year

by KCinIL on Feb 20, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Good

i hope this happens, i wouldnt be mad if we threw dorsey in to make it happen. we need a QB

by MaTTDoGG12 on Feb 20, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

this team, the chiefs, worry big time about spending. to trade carr off his tag along with dorsey would be such a cap hit, omg

its equal to the people talking about throwing cassel in on a deal…..aint happenin

Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Chiefs have the lowest dead money against the cap in the league

I don’t think this is an issue.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The Rams' cap would be a much bigger obstacle in that kind of trade.

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by Brsrkr on Feb 20, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess Routt likes "tyrants"

And to choose outta 6 teams, some of which are pretty damn good(if true of course). I likes

by KCinIL on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

See no one wants to come to Kansas City

Pioli is an asshat who drives talent away

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

For some reason

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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Routt

wasn’t looking for a #1 CB gig. I mean, he excelled as a #2 and was awful as a #1. KC might just be the perfect fit.

by Brad-KC on Feb 20, 2012 3:46 PM CST reply actions  

If the list is correct(big if)

Then its a pretty telling story because he wouldve been the #1 guy on three of those teams.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

I doubt we end up franchising Carr.

Most players that get franchised can’t work out a long term deal with another team. That means we overpay Carr for a year and are in the same predicament next year. We’re better off letting him test the market and see what teams will pay for him. You never know, he might end up coming back. That’s what Aubrayo Franklin did with the Niners.

by Vince D on Feb 20, 2012 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

Not unpossible

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just thinking that...

But then remembered they just paid him.

by ArrowheadS on Feb 20, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

8.3/season is a pretty trade friendly amount for a #1 CB.

If Crennel decided he wants to run a ton of man-to-man then Carr+Routt is ideal.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be a big cap hit though?

All his bonus money would get accelerated towards the cap.

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by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

That's how it used to work.

That’s why teams were stuck with guys in the early years of big contracts. Cutting or trading them accelerates their bonus towards the cap, instead of having it spread out over the life of the contract.

Not sure if it’s still that way in the new CBA.

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by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say you're right

thinking Manning’s bonus money could cost Colts until 2015.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear continuously that Routt isn't a bad corner, just limited in scheme and wasn't worth what the Raiders gave him

Good signing, I approve.

Its always nice to steal a guy from a division rival, especially the Raiders.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 3:58 PM CST reply actions  

Yes

so can we get Bush now please?

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Routt is a nice peice to have going into the chess match that is the NFL offseason.

It adds just a little bit of pressure to get a deal done with Carr (and maybe even Bowe) and as long as one of the signs a deal Pioli can Franchise the other and keep all 3.

I want to develop home grown talent like Carr, but it shouldn’t stop at just growing talent. I want to see the Chiefs keep our talent in house OR get value for the player. If Carr does not want to play in KC for the money the Chiefs are willing to spend we need to get value for him. That means sign him to a deal, franchise him then if neccissary trade him for pick(s).

So far I have supported most every move Pioli has made, even if I didn’t see/understand it at first. So far Pioli has stayed true to his word that he wants to sign home grown talent (Flowers, Hali, etc) but if he CAN’T (take two sides to make a deal happen) I hope he can find a way to get ‘value’ for Carr.

by DivineGrace on Feb 20, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

The master plan

Sign Routte.
Give D-Bowe 5/55mill
tag Carr and trade him and KC 1st round pick to Rams and guess what RG3 is in KC

by AngryKitty on Feb 20, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

send him to NE and get their first # 2 pick

Pick up another 4 year starter on a low deal.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have NE's 31st pick.

Carr is worth it, no corner they draft can come in and play right away unless they’re hoping for the next Devin McCourty. Even then he wasn’t very good his 2nd year.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

best case scenario, maybe even one of Cincy's 1sts

might have to add a low pick of ours, could Adams fall that far (31)?

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he falls that far

Wouldn’t mind a TE like Dwayne Allen.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just thinking about that this morning.

Wouldn’t that be a bad-ass matchup nightmare—a healthy Tony Mo and Allen?

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by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing

if not him, what about Devon Still?

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Me either

especially if Dorsey hit the trade block.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Terrible idea.... A proven good to great cover corner AND a 1st for and unproven QB....

That may or may not have a high ceiling? What are we? The Raiders?

Awaiting my punishment.

by BigRedChief on Feb 20, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought all players coming out of college were unproven.

Damn, just goes to show that you can learn somethin new everyday :-)

by tomachop on Feb 20, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The high ceiling crack

im sure BigRed has no qualms on some of the other QB prospects coming out

by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't just wait, would have to load up.

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by Brsrkr on Feb 20, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I love carp.

Hold on—that’s not what you said, is it?

/Lenten humor

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by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course that bust could be in Canton in 25 years...

Stupid unproven player college players.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Franklin is coming

SF Franklin will be coming to KC cheaper than the last time KC tried picking him up….
Herd it hear first!

by AngryKitty on Feb 20, 2012 4:06 PM CST reply actions  

Youre right

This is the first I’ve heard of the Chiefs ever trying to pick up Franklin.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

go after the Miami NT

Teeeeebbbbooooowwww!
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by Redberry on Feb 20, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Limited market

Soliai wont cost much. 6 or less per year.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

won't have too many teams after him

Pitt and Houston, maybe us.

Market is shrinking and A. Franklin and Garay might be out there too.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Doubtful even Houston

Pitt, Indy and maybe Raiders if they change to 3-4. Soliai is very much a 2 down player with zero pass rush capabilities.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

He'd be ok for the right price

A real 2 gap NT that can dominate double teams will really open things up for Dorsey or whoever replaces him.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahh, now he's younger than Garay and Pouha

has solid strength and size and is a run stuffing machine. Young Kelley Gregg. What we need is a stout DE that can rush and play the run while they figure out how to get Tyson better at rushing.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

thats why he'll sign for so little money

doesnt play that many snaps.

we could get Shaun Rogers too. those last few games Gregg was barely out there. we mixed our DL so many times it’d hard to justify big $$ on a guy that doesnt play many snaps.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Rogers would be solid

Franklin, Garay, Pouha, Soliai…like to see at least one of these guys along with Rogers.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

NT

I’ve always been a big proponent of the position. Historically, it’s been the most important position in the 3-4. However, I’m starting to change my thinking.

Someone smarter than me probably has the exact #, but this team (along with most other teams) played a TON of snaps in the nickel and dime last year. With the league skewing so much towards passing, one-dimensional run-stuffing NT’s are being devalued. I’m not saying the Chiefs couldn’t use an upgrade there, but I’d be hesitant to sink a big-money long-term deal into one. There’s (surprisingly) a lot of value at the position in FA this offseason and a few in the draft as well (Poe, Ta’amu, Chapman).

by polodude017 on Feb 20, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope this doesn't mean Carr is gone....

Routt is good enough, but Carr is better and younger. I guess we will have to wait and see what the puppet master has up his sleeves.

by Flower_Power on Feb 20, 2012 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not happy at all

I’m happy we have a good replacement (probably replacement) for Carr, but I really want Carr Back.

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 20, 2012 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

I was pumped for FA and the Draft before today

but now I’m just psyched to the max. So many scenarios and possibilities right now. We have ourselves set in an incredible position and its pretty eff’n exciting.

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

Gotta love twitter

Film Room and Nick Wright debating Cap #’s and actual cash spent.

Good stuff.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

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by upamtn on Feb 20, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Nick lost me at
@pyork_10 i’ve gotten one chiefs report wrong in my career, back in 2010 about flowers being too hurt to play. that’s it. goodbye.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

and his years mixed up with the Bowe convo

FREE JC, who then signed an EXTREMELY team-friendly deal.

But still, guy is doing his job and has been right on stuff too.

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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That's hilarious.

Considering Arrowhead Addict had to explain to Wright the other day why Routt could be signed before free agency hit. You’d think an expert such as Wright would have known such a common thing.

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by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn!!

Can we a payment credit on Routt as payback for the endzone pick last year?

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by Wichita Chief on Feb 20, 2012 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

come on

the chiefs can afford to sign bowe and carr and still have enough money to sign carl nicks, the guard from the saints.

routt could spit time at corner and nickel and shut down TEs. Top 5 defense.

by michaelaglover on Feb 20, 2012 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

Routt

I’m ok with the move. Routt is a damn good #2. Gonna miss Carr…if somehow we keep all 3 then i’ll be super stoked!!!

by @Monty_Bags on Feb 20, 2012 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

Our new defensive scheme:

3 man front: Tamba – Dorsey – Houston
2 LBs: DJ and Hightower
6 DBs: Flowers – Arenas – Lewis – Berry – Routt – Carr

Mix up bringing Arenas and Routt… or even Flowers…. close to the line.

Terrible Idea you say?…. Prolly.

Awaiting my punishment.

by BigRedChief on Feb 20, 2012 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

I've love that lineup

as long as opposing teams promised not to run on us.

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by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a brilliant plan! You should call it.....dime.

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by Brsrkr on Feb 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Routt had multiple offers but chose KC

Guess the whole Arrowhead Anxiety didn’t scare him.

by KcChiefsMo on Feb 20, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

I’d think that Arrowhead Anxiety would scare management positions much more than players.

by manofnothi on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Long time reader first post

Given the cap availability the chiefs have this year(apparently somewhere in the neighborhood of $37-$62 million) and potential free agents in carr and bowe, I am very intrigued on how this offseason will play out. At first I was somewhat surprised to chiefs went after routt, but given what I think is a good value contract I think it makes sense. I’ve been a big carr fan and I like keeping home-grown guys around. But to me overpaying is overpaying whether a home-grown guy or not or a franchise vs. role player. I have no clue how the contract talks with carr are going but with some of the numbers that are being thrown out there I’ve started to get worried the chiefs may overpay for him. No matter what happens with carr, at least now the chiefs go into next year with two solid starting corners. Im anxious to see how it all plays out with the franchise tag and money they have available. There really are a number of options available now. I, for one hope bowe is the priority and IF we can get carr for a reasonable contract(don’t see this happening) I’d be all for having three very good corners. If it comes down to overpaying, however, I hope they allocate funds somewhere else like OL, DT, TE.

by kcchiefs91 on Feb 20, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

I think 10.5 million is just too much for carr. Around 8.5 million a year is about as high as I’d want to go now especially with the signing of routt. The good thing is the chiefs have some leverage in that they can now pretty much set the price where they want it. If carr wants to go then he can, guy deserves a big payday and someone WILL overpay for him I just dont want it to be KC.

by kcchiefs91 on Feb 20, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

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by upamtn on Feb 20, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

thinking

carr clearly played much better this year than 2010 and the chiefs didnt sign him when they signed flowers because they still had doubts about his ability. now they are paying the price if he enters Free agency.

by michaelaglover on Feb 20, 2012 4:49 PM CST reply actions  

By the same token

Routt played great in 2010 and got a raise because of it and now that he’s had a bad season and is going back to doing what he does best we get him at a bargain price.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

Buy low, sell high. That’s a winning formula.

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by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

3-year contract means we let him go right before his play starts to decline

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by Nick Britt on Feb 20, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I want Dave Amerson

But I don’t want to suck so bad that we are in the top 10 again to pick him. ):

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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Brown or future picks.

Daniels came in the league at the same time Routt did, if I recall correctly

re-sign: to renew a contract for a period of time
resign: to terminate a contract or agreement, "to quit"

by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

My thinking

I think they have Carr and Routt rated about the same. Routt may have a little more upside in our system, but Carr is younger.

I think what it came down to was length of contract and also flexibility. I think Pioli would love to have Carr back next year, but I don’t think he wants to give him a 5 or 6-year deal, which is what I think Carr is looking for. The main reason being investments in Jalil Brown and Javier Arenas, who still both have high upside, but you also don’t want to be locked into a long-term contract if you can avoid it. We couldn’t afford to sign both Flowers and Carr long-term.

We may see a small dropoff between Carr to Routt in year one, but I think we will get high level of play for the length of his contract and I don’t think that can be guaranteed with Carr over 5-6 years. Also, it now gives us the option to tag and trade Carr.

I also heard rumors that we may be considering Routt at safety, so who knows. What this does give us is options. Anytime we add a good young player to the roster, I am all for it.

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by Nick Britt on Feb 20, 2012 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

Because he will actually be playing in it and Carr will likely not be?

Thats my best guess.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess lol

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

because Routt is a better zone corner?

Haven’t watched a lot of Routt but I’m guessing that is what he meant.

by Lucasjr5 on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't see "investments" in Brown and Arenas having a lot to do with this.

Neither make a ton and I can’t see Arenas as more than a slot/return guy.

by polodude017 on Feb 20, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Good sign I'm happy!

I think if pioli can still sign Carr will have the best secondary by far!!

by albuquerquechiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'm in agreement with this signing for several reasons

I always had a fear that Carr would leave and we wouldn’t have an adequate replacement for him. We now have that in Routt. As many have mentioned above, we have an edge in the Bowe situation because if we can’t come to terms with a long-term deal we are able to franchise him.

Of course the ideal scenario to me would be to sign Bowe before the start of FA and to tag Carr and trade him for a 2nd rounder preferrably. I also like seeing the Kansas City Chiefs making the first big(ish) splash of the offseason. I hope this is setting the scene for what’s to come for us in FA. We have a lot of money, let’s use some of it.

Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs

by King of the Cassel on Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

iv been reading that Vikings are showing interest in Carr

Be neat if we could work out some kind of deal getting their early round pick :)

by chiefsman! on Feb 20, 2012 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

trade for jared allen

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 20, 2012 10:22 PM CST reply actions  

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