Stanford Routt Had Multiple Offers Before Signing With Chiefs
I was reading through the (other) AP story on the Kansas City Chiefs signing Stanford Routt and noticed this from the reporter, Dave Skretta:
Routt spent several days in Kansas City before choosing the Chiefs over competing offers from Buffalo, Cincinnati, Houston, New Orleans, Minnesota and Tennessee.
We'd heard other teams were interested but didn't realize there were multiple offers on the table as the AP reports. Routt visited the Buffalo Bills and Cincinnati Bengals as well. We saw some reports say he was "close" to a deal with the Bills before signing with the Chiefs.
This doesn't mean anything for the Chiefs on the field next season but I'm always interested how the rest of the league views the guys the Chiefs sign. That multiple teams were interested in Routt and he chose KC is a good feeling. Maybe it was for the money or maybe it was for the opportunity, but KC got a guy others wanted.
(And, yes, I'm ignoring the possibility that six teams offering him could be agent-driven info. Let me be happy about a signing for a while first!)
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Not sure about those other teams
but Minnesota I expect to be one of the few teams looking for a #1 CB and to spend for one
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 3:24 PM CST reply actions
And St. Louis?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Takeaway
Routt is good.
Carr is very good.
Bowe is very good.
We need to sign Bowe so we can tag and trade Carr.
by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 3:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
keep dreaming
imo
bowe is tagged
carr is already looked at as a 3rd round comp pick
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
If that’s our plan why not spend an extra few million or so to get Bowe signed, in effect purchasing the difference between a 1st and the end of the 3rd.
by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
simple. then carr is owed 10 mil if kc cant trade him
when has this team ever liked to risk that kind of money?
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
wow, i have to disagree.
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
What would be so hard about it?
Over half the league would be after him
really? not so sure about that. do you understand its not so easy to trade a tagged player?
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
he would be very easy to trade
they can give permission to discuss contract extensions. whatever we get would be a bonus for getting Bowe to sign early.
Gained leverage on two players without dealing with either one.
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I think it would be easy to trade Carr
He’s seen as a great corner around the league, and it doesn’t have to be two first round picks.
Didn’t we tag and trade Allen? And he had more issues off-field then Carr.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
would not be difficult
too important of a position and he’d get that much in the deal from another team easily anyways. Would be in his best interest to seriously consider any deal for risk of playing on a ONE year deal we could STILL afford.
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i agree
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Tag & Trade hypothetical question
If we signed Bowe to a long term deal today, couldn’t we tag Carr today and start shopping him in a trade? Thus allowing someone else to get a free agent CB before free agency opens up.
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dont believe you can trade a tagged player before the new league year begins
But I could be wrong on that.
I do think they should be giving Bowe a deadline to reach a deal that is one day before the franchise tag deadline ends though.
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Gotcha
Just thinking outside the box…and outside the rules
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2012 Resolution: To establish a better cravat collection than anyone else on AP.
2012 Wish: Chiefs Super Bowl
That's why Manning can't be traded.
Because his bonus is due before teams can make a trade. And you’re not going to trade someone after you just gave them a $28M roster bonus.
Of course. I should have made this connection.
Brainfart
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2012 Wish: Chiefs Super Bowl
No team would want to pay Carr that much money
Without a contract worked our in advance.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
They say the same thing about every franchised player
And some of them do get traded either way.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
You kidding?
That is around what Carr is going to get anyways, and its below 10 mil btw.
do you not understand the concept? yes, that is what he may get anyways, but not from the team that just paid stanford routt.............................
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
But thats
the risk Pioli probably would be willing to make. Pioli knows there are a lot of teams that would jump to trade a 2nd round pick for Carr (Carr is a proven CB who had a great season this year). He knows Chiefs have a lot of money to spend, and either Chiefs pay Carr 9.5 mil for one year if they cant trade him for whatever reason, or they wont let him walk away for free.
So basically traded Carr for Routt and a 2nd rounder
hes not taking the risk of possibly paying carr 10 million dollars, thats the point, period, it comes down to money, and the chiefs wont be paying 3 corners over 6-7 mil a year, period.
they arent letting him walk for free
for the 100th time
if he walks, kc nabs a 3rd round comp pick
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
But
there are definitely teams out there that would trade a 2nd rounder for Carr. A lot of teams are high on Carr, and the sheer number of teams interested would give leverage to the Chiefs.
Worst case scenario, Carr plays for Chiefs one more year and Chiefs give him 9.5 mil. But I believe that there is legitimate league wide interest in Carr for Pioli to slap a tag on him.
Carr
has also had 2 or 3 bad years, many of games i cursed his name for getting burnt or letting a first down happen… and after Routt getting signed for 7M a year arguably second best CB FA it kind of screwed Carr on the asking price so his best bet would be to resign with the Chiefs for about 8 or 9 Mil… or let himself get tagged and hope he could get traded…
carr to stl
RG3 to KC
Trade up for RGIII and profit
by ArrowheadHunter on Feb 20, 2012 3:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think it'll take a whole lot more than that...
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
evidently carr has value beyond our wildest dreams
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
His legend is growing by the hour.
By the end of the day, I think people will want his number retired.
by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Maybe they can throw in Bradford, too. You know...to make it fair.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
cmon scott, for that to happen they would want cassel :) dont you see teams wanting him to mentor their young qb, and pay him 6 mil while at it?
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
I could get behind a trade that sends....
Cassel and Carr to St Louis…. and brings …..
Bradford and a 2nd round Pick to K.C..
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
We might be the only ones who could fit him under the salary cap.
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by MtHammer on Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I googled Carr a little bit ago
and a Vikings jersey with the # 34 popped up. That is something to look out for
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by KingChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Carr to the Pats
More likely… just my guess, but that’s only if we tag him
by Spiderwomn69 on Feb 20, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
They give us one of their #1s & I'd be down
Or maybe we give #11 & Carr to Cincy for both of their 1st rounders & a 2nd
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Yah John Clayton suggested the Vikes or Titans...
Would be interested since they play a lot of zone coverage. That would be two interesting teams.
I heard that
Brandon Carr fought a Honey Badger and won.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 20, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
It definitely would take more.
Somebody earlier suggested throwing in Carr with Dorsey, our 1st, and a 3rd. It still might take more that that but it would be a start.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
There will be some teams offering up some crazy shit for that pick...no doubt.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Their loss is our gain
Good for the chiefs to make this move,and good for him wanting to play for the chiefs.this can only make the team stronger and better.
team speed, there is that. hes one fast guy
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Of Course he signed here
Our D is good and getting better, how could he not want to play for Romeo? Still bummed we are likely losing Carr.
agree. glad to see the chiefs are at least addressing the holes they create though. had they let carr go and entered the draft without a 2nd corner i would be angry
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
don't hold your breath
in a pass happy league it would make sense to have 3 great corners on the lineup…
by johnnyo_99 on Feb 20, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah it does make sense. but one has to wonder if kc already thinks they have that, with arenas and jalil brown
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
carr...routt.....and arenas,brown..=quite possibly what was talked about, having 3 good corners...
sigh…
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
its getting really annoying having to freaking put something to cover my rear everytime i say anything that isnt 100 percent yay brandon carr, yes the chiefs will sign himn
dude, the chiefs just drafted jalil brown
the chiefs spent a 2nd on arenas who is improving
the chiefs spent 50 mil and 20 mil respectively on 2 starting corners
Carr is GONE
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Yeah
Pioli’s plan is probably to say bye to Carr, but it is logical for him to try and throw money at bowe for a long term deal, slap the tag on carr and trade him.
i agree, thats the smart move, the move id make if madden had a franchise tag
but its most likely not happening.
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Gone or tagged.... I don't think Pioli lets him walk for nothing in return....
All that hinges on Bowe getting signed of course.
Awaiting my punishment.
hes not.
if he walks, he gets a 3rd round comp pick in return
to pioli, that is not nothing
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Why do you assume it's a third?
Isn’t it a calculation of free agents lost versus free agents gained?
according to wikipedia,
the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player’s salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor.
So you’re right, and he’s probably right too. Cause we all know he’s gonna get paid, and will start.
Posterized. | @ | Fb
by Chris Sembower on Feb 20, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Arenas was getting picked on last year as the number 3 guy. I don’t think he is an overly solid number 3. And no one has seen anything from Jalil Brown to indicate he is a solid 4 or 5, much less a 3.
by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 3:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
disagree....he got picked on early, settled down, and was a strength on the defense.
jalil brown is used as an example because they like him, they just drafted him, and hes another option
solid 4 or 5? you really have high standards for that 3 corner
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Yes the nickel corner is important.
And Arenas got picked on in December.
by WURoyal on Feb 20, 2012 6:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't like it either
but still, getting a compnsatory 3rd round pick isn’t a total loss IMO.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
I'll bet Pioli is allready working hard to construct a deal that gets a 2nd for Carr.....
Plus I am not crazy about either Brown or Arenas as a 3rd Cover CB. Arenas key value is a return guy and Brown could be more of a Safety in Nickel and Dime Packages. With an extra 2nd or 3rd pick Pioli could get a nice Cover CB to play 3rd CB.
2nd round: Minnifield (Va), Johnson (Ia St), Gilmore (SC).
3rd round: Trumaine Johnson (Mont), Hosely (VaTch), Boykin (Ga), Judie (Tx A&M)
My favorites are Gilmore, Minnifield and either Johnson.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Arenas is a great Cover guy
We can find Returners every year in the draft.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Never underestimate the appeal of sticking it to the team that cut you twice per year for the next three years.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
thats why hue jackson was an interesting option as our offensive coordinator, pure raider hate
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Chiefs need a proven tight end
The chiefs need a proven tight end for security,Pope isnt the answer.or am i wrong as usual.
i think the chiefs have a proven te, they need a second one.
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
You haven't been around AP very long then, have you?
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
And may not stick around very long either.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Feb 21, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Good thing they're converting Steve Maneri from OT to TE then.
Looks like we’re set!
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
you're still sleeping, aren't you
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Put off today what can be done tomorrow.
How do you like the Routt signing? Did we just re-Routt Bowe and Carr’s career paths? Or maybe now we have a direct Routt set up for netting some great draft picks? Speaking of Routts, my wireless Routters been acting up. Piece of Routten junk.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
He's like a white Gronkowski.
Wait, what?
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
so how bad
do the rams need a CB and is it a realistic option to tag and
trade carr as part of a deal with them?
Good
i hope this happens, i wouldnt be mad if we threw dorsey in to make it happen. we need a QB
this team, the chiefs, worry big time about spending. to trade carr off his tag along with dorsey would be such a cap hit, omg
its equal to the people talking about throwing cassel in on a deal…..aint happenin
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Chiefs have the lowest dead money against the cap in the league
I don’t think this is an issue.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
The Rams' cap would be a much bigger obstacle in that kind of trade.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I guess Routt likes "tyrants"
And to choose outta 6 teams, some of which are pretty damn good(if true of course). I likes
See no one wants to come to Kansas City
Pioli is an asshat who drives talent away
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
For some reason
I can picture a great cartoon from this description
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
enter picture of carr walking out the front door here
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
by SDChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Routt
wasn’t looking for a #1 CB gig. I mean, he excelled as a #2 and was awful as a #1. KC might just be the perfect fit.
If the list is correct(big if)
Then its a pretty telling story because he wouldve been the #1 guy on three of those teams.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I doubt we end up franchising Carr.
Most players that get franchised can’t work out a long term deal with another team. That means we overpay Carr for a year and are in the same predicament next year. We’re better off letting him test the market and see what teams will pay for him. You never know, he might end up coming back. That’s what Aubrayo Franklin did with the Niners.
What if.... wait for it.... This is just posturing to trade Flowers?
BOOM!!!
Awaiting my punishment.
by BigRedChief on Feb 20, 2012 3:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Not unpossible
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I was just thinking that...
But then remembered they just paid him.
8.3/season is a pretty trade friendly amount for a #1 CB.
If Crennel decided he wants to run a ton of man-to-man then Carr+Routt is ideal.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
That's how it used to work.
That’s why teams were stuck with guys in the early years of big contracts. Cutting or trading them accelerates their bonus towards the cap, instead of having it spread out over the life of the contract.
Not sure if it’s still that way in the new CBA.
I'd say you're right
thinking Manning’s bonus money could cost Colts until 2015.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
If they're cut the bonus remaining prorated bonus money ALL counts that next year
Main reason Santonio Holmes could say whatever he wants and they won’t cut him. $$$$ to cap hit would be astronomical.
Twitter - @bkissel7
maybe the bonus prorated for that specific year and that's it?
Not exactly sure to be honest.
Twitter - @bkissel7
I hear continuously that Routt isn't a bad corner, just limited in scheme and wasn't worth what the Raiders gave him
Good signing, I approve.
Its always nice to steal a guy from a division rival, especially the Raiders.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Routt is a nice peice to have going into the chess match that is the NFL offseason.
It adds just a little bit of pressure to get a deal done with Carr (and maybe even Bowe) and as long as one of the signs a deal Pioli can Franchise the other and keep all 3.
I want to develop home grown talent like Carr, but it shouldn’t stop at just growing talent. I want to see the Chiefs keep our talent in house OR get value for the player. If Carr does not want to play in KC for the money the Chiefs are willing to spend we need to get value for him. That means sign him to a deal, franchise him then if neccissary trade him for pick(s).
So far I have supported most every move Pioli has made, even if I didn’t see/understand it at first. So far Pioli has stayed true to his word that he wants to sign home grown talent (Flowers, Hali, etc) but if he CAN’T (take two sides to make a deal happen) I hope he can find a way to get ‘value’ for Carr.
The master plan
Sign Routte.
Give D-Bowe 5/55mill
tag Carr and trade him and KC 1st round pick to Rams and guess what RG3 is in KC
send him to NE and get their first # 2 pick
Pick up another 4 year starter on a low deal.
Twitter - @bkissel7
I'd rather have NE's 31st pick.
Carr is worth it, no corner they draft can come in and play right away unless they’re hoping for the next Devin McCourty. Even then he wasn’t very good his 2nd year.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
First day pick is a first day pick...starting level talent can be had and we still have many holes to fill.
Actually 2nd round begins on the 2nd day now.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
best case scenario, maybe even one of Cincy's 1sts
might have to add a low pick of ours, could Adams fall that far (31)?
Twitter - @bkissel7
I don't think he falls that far
Wouldn’t mind a TE like Dwayne Allen.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
I was just thinking about that this morning.
Wouldn’t that be a bad-ass matchup nightmare—a healthy Tony Mo and Allen?
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
screw that, trade up for RG3
Our first and Carr to STL for the #2 pick
by Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 on Feb 20, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Terrible idea.... A proven good to great cover corner AND a 1st for and unproven QB....
That may or may not have a high ceiling? What are we? The Raiders?
Awaiting my punishment.
I thought all players coming out of college were unproven.
Damn, just goes to show that you can learn somethin new everyday :-)
The high ceiling crack
im sure BigRed has no qualms on some of the other QB prospects coming out
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Can't just wait, would have to load up.
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I love carp.
Hold on—that’s not what you said, is it?
/Lenten humor
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Of course that bust could be in Canton in 25 years...
Stupid unproven player college players.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Franklin is coming
SF Franklin will be coming to KC cheaper than the last time KC tried picking him up….
Herd it hear first!
Youre right
This is the first I’ve heard of the Chiefs ever trying to pick up Franklin.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Limited market
Soliai wont cost much. 6 or less per year.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
won't have too many teams after him
Pitt and Houston, maybe us.
Market is shrinking and A. Franklin and Garay might be out there too.
Twitter - @bkissel7
Doubtful even Houston
Pitt, Indy and maybe Raiders if they change to 3-4. Soliai is very much a 2 down player with zero pass rush capabilities.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
He'd be ok for the right price
A real 2 gap NT that can dominate double teams will really open things up for Dorsey or whoever replaces him.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Ahh, now he's younger than Garay and Pouha
has solid strength and size and is a run stuffing machine. Young Kelley Gregg. What we need is a stout DE that can rush and play the run while they figure out how to get Tyson better at rushing.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
thats why he'll sign for so little money
doesnt play that many snaps.
we could get Shaun Rogers too. those last few games Gregg was barely out there. we mixed our DL so many times it’d hard to justify big $$ on a guy that doesnt play many snaps.
Twitter - @bkissel7
Rogers would be solid
Franklin, Garay, Pouha, Soliai…like to see at least one of these guys along with Rogers.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
NT
I’ve always been a big proponent of the position. Historically, it’s been the most important position in the 3-4. However, I’m starting to change my thinking.
Someone smarter than me probably has the exact #, but this team (along with most other teams) played a TON of snaps in the nickel and dime last year. With the league skewing so much towards passing, one-dimensional run-stuffing NT’s are being devalued. I’m not saying the Chiefs couldn’t use an upgrade there, but I’d be hesitant to sink a big-money long-term deal into one. There’s (surprisingly) a lot of value at the position in FA this offseason and a few in the draft as well (Poe, Ta’amu, Chapman).
I hope this doesn't mean Carr is gone....
Routt is good enough, but Carr is better and younger. I guess we will have to wait and see what the puppet master has up his sleeves.
I'm not happy at all
I’m happy we have a good replacement (probably replacement) for Carr, but I really want Carr Back.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
I was pumped for FA and the Draft before today
but now I’m just psyched to the max. So many scenarios and possibilities right now. We have ourselves set in an incredible position and its pretty eff’n exciting.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Gotta love twitter
Film Room and Nick Wright debating Cap #’s and actual cash spent.
Good stuff.
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Nick lost me at
@pyork_10 i’ve gotten one chiefs report wrong in my career, back in 2010 about flowers being too hurt to play. that’s it. goodbye.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
and his years mixed up with the Bowe convo
FREE JC, who then signed an EXTREMELY team-friendly deal.
But still, guy is doing his job and has been right on stuff too.
Twitter - @bkissel7
That's hilarious.
Considering Arrowhead Addict had to explain to Wright the other day why Routt could be signed before free agency hit. You’d think an expert such as Wright would have known such a common thing.
Damn!!
Can we a payment credit on Routt as payback for the endzone pick last year?
You Play to Win the game!!!
come on
the chiefs can afford to sign bowe and carr and still have enough money to sign carl nicks, the guard from the saints.
routt could spit time at corner and nickel and shut down TEs. Top 5 defense.
Routt
I’m ok with the move. Routt is a damn good #2. Gonna miss Carr…if somehow we keep all 3 then i’ll be super stoked!!!
Our new defensive scheme:
3 man front: Tamba – Dorsey – Houston
2 LBs: DJ and Hightower
6 DBs: Flowers – Arenas – Lewis – Berry – Routt – Carr
Mix up bringing Arenas and Routt… or even Flowers…. close to the line.
Terrible Idea you say?…. Prolly.
Awaiting my punishment.
Why don't we draft Kuechly too while we're at it.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely not
Unless we’re talking about the 3rd round.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds good to me.... I would go O-line in the 1st.... I don't want to but.....
Awaiting my punishment.
I want the best guy on the board at 11(+/- 3 if theres someone there to fill a big need)
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
That's a brilliant plan! You should call it.....dime.
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Given the cap availability the chiefs have this year(apparently somewhere in the neighborhood of $37-$62 million) and potential free agents in carr and bowe, I am very intrigued on how this offseason will play out. At first I was somewhat surprised to chiefs went after routt, but given what I think is a good value contract I think it makes sense. I’ve been a big carr fan and I like keeping home-grown guys around. But to me overpaying is overpaying whether a home-grown guy or not or a franchise vs. role player. I have no clue how the contract talks with carr are going but with some of the numbers that are being thrown out there I’ve started to get worried the chiefs may overpay for him. No matter what happens with carr, at least now the chiefs go into next year with two solid starting corners. Im anxious to see how it all plays out with the franchise tag and money they have available. There really are a number of options available now. I, for one hope bowe is the priority and IF we can get carr for a reasonable contract(don’t see this happening) I’d be all for having three very good corners. If it comes down to overpaying, however, I hope they allocate funds somewhere else like OL, DT, TE.
We could get Carr for 10.5 million for the season
I would say that was the Top end
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think 10.5 million is just too much for carr. Around 8.5 million a year is about as high as I’d want to go now especially with the signing of routt. The good thing is the chiefs have some leverage in that they can now pretty much set the price where they want it. If carr wants to go then he can, guy deserves a big payday and someone WILL overpay for him I just dont want it to be KC.
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carr clearly played much better this year than 2010 and the chiefs didnt sign him when they signed flowers because they still had doubts about his ability. now they are paying the price if he enters Free agency.
By the same token
Routt played great in 2010 and got a raise because of it and now that he’s had a bad season and is going back to doing what he does best we get him at a bargain price.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Now we just need to get in a position to sell him.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
3-year contract means we let him go right before his play starts to decline
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Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Or other future draft picks
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I want Dave Amerson
But I don’t want to suck so bad that we are in the top 10 again to pick him. ):
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Brown or future picks.
Daniels came in the league at the same time Routt did, if I recall correctly
re-sign: to renew a contract for a period of time
resign: to terminate a contract or agreement, "to quit"
by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
My thinking
I think they have Carr and Routt rated about the same. Routt may have a little more upside in our system, but Carr is younger.
I think what it came down to was length of contract and also flexibility. I think Pioli would love to have Carr back next year, but I don’t think he wants to give him a 5 or 6-year deal, which is what I think Carr is looking for. The main reason being investments in Jalil Brown and Javier Arenas, who still both have high upside, but you also don’t want to be locked into a long-term contract if you can avoid it. We couldn’t afford to sign both Flowers and Carr long-term.
We may see a small dropoff between Carr to Routt in year one, but I think we will get high level of play for the length of his contract and I don’t think that can be guaranteed with Carr over 5-6 years. Also, it now gives us the option to tag and trade Carr.
I also heard rumors that we may be considering Routt at safety, so who knows. What this does give us is options. Anytime we add a good young player to the roster, I am all for it.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
How does Routt have more upside in our system?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Because he will actually be playing in it and Carr will likely not be?
Thats my best guess.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
I guess lol
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 20, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
because Routt is a better zone corner?
Haven’t watched a lot of Routt but I’m guessing that is what he meant.
I don't see "investments" in Brown and Arenas having a lot to do with this.
Neither make a ton and I can’t see Arenas as more than a slot/return guy.
Good sign I'm happy!
I think if pioli can still sign Carr will have the best secondary by far!!
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm in agreement with this signing for several reasons
I always had a fear that Carr would leave and we wouldn’t have an adequate replacement for him. We now have that in Routt. As many have mentioned above, we have an edge in the Bowe situation because if we can’t come to terms with a long-term deal we are able to franchise him.
Of course the ideal scenario to me would be to sign Bowe before the start of FA and to tag Carr and trade him for a 2nd rounder preferrably. I also like seeing the Kansas City Chiefs making the first big(ish) splash of the offseason. I hope this is setting the scene for what’s to come for us in FA. We have a lot of money, let’s use some of it.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
How come no one is saying that Pioli is getting rid of Carr because he was Peterson and Herm's draft pick?
It's pretty obvious that's whats happening. Pioli must feed his ego.
iv been reading that Vikings are showing interest in Carr
Be neat if we could work out some kind of deal getting their early round pick :)
trade for jared allen
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Finally, we can now move Arenas to his natural position...
RB.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 AM CST reply actions

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