A Few KC Chiefs Free Agency Predictions
by Joel Thorman on Feb 20, 2012 4:45 PM CST
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With the Kansas City Chiefs signing Stanford Routt there is now a different outlook on the Chiefs and their free agency plans. The signing doesn't necessarily mean anything for other Chiefs free agents but we can take a guess at what some of it means.
A few not-so-bold predictions on the Chiefs...
Stanford Routt is probably going to start. Routt signed a three-year, $19.6 million deal. That's "starter money" (if there is such a thing...which there isn't). Personally, I don't see the Routt signing as a depth move. I expect him to be the opening day starter opposite Brandon Flowers next September.
That said....the Chiefs do have the cap room to be flexible. Maybe Carr is in their plans. We've heard them again and again stress that signing their own guys is a priority.
Brandon Carr is probably going to hit free agency. It's not guaranteed that he'll hit free agency but I think the Routt signing makes it a lot more likely that he will. He's expendable now. The Chiefs have the leverage in this relationship, including the ability to set their price and walk away if they have to.
That said...the cap room. Same thing as above. KC can be flexible. Whether that makes sense is another thing.
Dwayne Bowe is probably going to stay with the Chiefs. Probably? I think he's nearing sure-thing category. There haven't been any indications he could leave. If he were likely to leave, someone from his camp would probably be drumming up interest in free agency. I don't see or hear any of that happening. Every indication I see and hear is that Bowe is preparing to be in KC next year. Whether that comes via the franchise tag or a longterm deal, I don't know. But, absent any news on a longterm deal, we gotta think that comes with the franchise tag.
That said...how confident are we the Chiefs are willing to commit to Bowe? The franchise tag number would roughly equal his career earnings to date -- around $9 million. That's a big raise.
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Sorry Joel
but I thought you might include some guys here like Gilberry and McClain. You didn’t stick your neck out too far with these predictions.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Soliai would also be a nice prediction
My money’s on a NT in FA
by Claude! on Feb 20, 2012 4:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He did say they were "not so bold predictions".
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Feb 20, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Easy partner
We’re talking Primetime here. Dude has trouble going out on a limb deciding what he’s going do for dinner. Rex Ryan he is not
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I probably seemed overly critical
wasn’t my intention. My apologies, Joel.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
That's fucked bro
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Too late now
Can’t put the milk back into the bag
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
I just tried to apologize
can’t win for losing I guess.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Shuffle's just flipping you some shit, I believe.
re-sign: to renew a contract for a period of time
resign: to terminate a contract or agreement, "to quit"
by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
where are you buying your milk?
Can’t put the milk back into the bag
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 20, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
recycling...
there using all the left over bags from the new orleans aints years to hold there milk I guess.
Aldi
re-sign: to renew a contract for a period of time
resign: to terminate a contract or agreement, "to quit"
by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
I know
Here are some old predictions. But we’ll have more on all these guys in the coming weeks. Still have several weeks before free agency.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 20, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
again, my apologies
if I seemed overly critical. Wasn’t my intention.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
You can't put your bag in the hole
2012 Goal: Be invited to Lady Buttercup's spring ball.
2012 Resolution: To establish a better cravat collection than anyone else on AP.
2012 Wish: Chiefs Super Bowl
I stand corrected
And slightly sick to my stomach
2012 Goal: Be invited to Lady Buttercup's spring ball.
2012 Resolution: To establish a better cravat collection than anyone else on AP.
2012 Wish: Chiefs Super Bowl
Where do you buy your toothpaste?
The bag store?
Haha, no not at all
Don’t let Shuffle get to you with his lies.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 20, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Said it elsewhere - Pioli was fighting free agency on two fronts, and he just eliminated one of those.
Bowe’s production justifies his getting tag-level money.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Lets see, we have two important free agents.....
…..players we drafted and developed, yet it looks like one will walk and the other will have to be tagged to be retained.
Yeah, that Pioli is doing a great job!
He did tag Hali
and that turned out pretty good
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Patience anyone?
we won’t know if anything you said to be true until March 13.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
My issue is.......
…..between the Haley fiasco, the insistence that Cassel is all the QB we need, and now this nonsense with our own key players, I no longer have much faith in the notion that Pioli and Clark are about winning, are about bringing another Lombardi to KC.
it would be a first Lombardi trophy.
Super bowl V it became the Lombardi.
Teeeeebbbbooooowwww!
and kiss my ass for giving me a warning about Trolling.
Pioli shouldn't be accountable for anything past his own year's in the GM's chair.
by polodude017 on Feb 20, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
1993 is that all
ive been waiting about 20 more years for another SB
Quit the pussy-footing
and jacking around. Give Bowe some long-term security and ink him up. We seem content to bring him back every year so that “he can prove himself”. What year will be the turning point when we can say, “Okay, dude can play and has proven it. Let’s keep him on our team”.
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM CST reply actions
This is the 1st year Bowe has approached FA status
It was Carr he made come back to prove himself
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
It did matter, he is about to get paid when he hits the open market
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I think what he means is
he has no idea of what Carr’s value to the team was compared to what Carr was asking. Or if Carr firmly put his foot down and said he wanted to test the FA market. Regardless of what happened or happens, the fault lies squarely on management.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Fault, responsibility and credit usually do lay at the foot of management.
That is sort of within the definition.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I think Pioli low balled the kid. But we really have no way to know as of yet.
I do know this, there’s every reason to believe Carr is gone, that sucks.
Sure, he's the one in charge, he holds the checkbook....
……he could have taken care of this last year easily for decent value.
Why give this boob a pass on anything?
I ALWAYS GIVE BOOBS A PASS.... maybe even two.
Awaiting my punishment.
by BigRedChief on Feb 20, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for her pleasure.
re-sign: to renew a contract for a period of time
resign: to terminate a contract or agreement, "to quit"
by go_saleaumua on Feb 20, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Giving someone a pass
and realizing you have no idea how the contract talks have gone down are two completely different things. Flowers is locked up to play here for $8.225 million a year. If Carr was demanding or thinking he was worth more, he needs to hit the road. But there again, we don’t know.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
He does hold the checkbook
but you are making these presuppositions without knowing anything about the negotiations. Perhaps Carr “high balled” Pioli, or is that out of the realm of possibility.
You tipped your hand that you don’t like Pioli and even dropped the Piol insists on Cassel meme. Why not wait until we have, you know.. umm.. facts.
Here's one fact vis a vis Cassel...
We’ve gone into the last 3 seasons with him as the guaranteed starter and no one else on the team who would even remotely challenge him. That’s pretty pathetic if you’re about winning.
Um
2009- We traded for him. So yes, he would start
2010- Coming off a rebuilding season, this was seen as a no brainer
2011- Coming off a Pro Bowl season and a Division title, another no brainer.
Really pathetic I guess. What would your solution have been ? Just curious.
2012? Who knows. But your argument for the other three seasons holds absolutely no weight. None.
My problem was bringing in no one behind him.
But yeah, no reason why Cassel wouldn’t be the obvious starter the last three years. This year is different.
This
I get that people are upset with Cassel. But good Lord, he DID have a decent 2010 season. Why would replacing him have been the plan?
Our principle weaknesses after the 2010 season in the eyes of many here were WR, SOLB, and NT.
We addressed all those posititions, two with tremendous success. Yet people are fixated on a position that wasn’t seen as a huge need.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see how any of this is at all related to Cassel.
You’re really blowing smoke here.
agreed. The Cassel situation
is completely irrelevant to the Carr situation. Honestly, I don’t see what the issue here is. Scott Pioli signed a player. We don’t know yet if he’s replacing Brandon Carr. We don’t know if Carr will be resigned or not. How many times have we speculated on who we were going to draft, who we were going to pick up in free agency, who we were going to let go, and been completely blind sided when it didn’t go anything like we predicted. The only predictable thing about Scott Pioli is that you can’t predict him. And that’s a good thing.
by BetterRedThanDead on Feb 20, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Lets say Carr got the same offer that Routt got
if you can get $3-$5 million more by leaving, what would you do.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
And if you could sign a relatively equal talent for $3-5 million less, what would you do, especially when you have a salary cap?
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 20, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli's pattern
of extending players is before they reach the last year on their rookie deal. He should have been re-upped last year but we all wanted to wait and see if the year before last was a “contract year”. It wasn’t. It seemed like the last 3 year’s Pioli/Haley has been testing the kid. Enough already. Pay the man, play the man. Let me change my freakin’ sig
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Andy Studebaker & Flowers
…That’s all I got.
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Ryan Succop?
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
If he had been re-upped the last year of his rookie contract
that would have been 2010 and he obviously would have gotten a raise of more than 30% because he was making around $440,000/yr. We wouldn’t even be looking at the opportunity to re-sign him this year because he’d be an unrestricted free agent.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
People have short memories around here too.
Carr wasn’t real popular in 2010. I know, because I spent a lot of time defending him. But now we should have signed him to a big contract, looking back. Hindsight is great.
One solid year
and people started saying he was better than Flowers and deserved to get paid more.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 20, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
I remember it as well
because I was here defending him with you. “Carr sucks!” was seen pretty often in 2010.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
until of course
that passes defensed number went through the roof.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
Bowe is one of the very best WR talents in the league and the chiefs have a chance to get him locked up. Really hope they dont just slap the tag on bowe this year, hope they get something done long-term.
With the signing of Kyle McCathy
that means our secondary is wrapped up and will be the best next season
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I forgot about McCarthy. I wonder if that means Piscatelli will be on his way out or McGraw will hang up his cleats
by Claude! on Feb 20, 2012 4:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bowe signs before the tag period ends and Carr is tagged and traded
Is my prediction.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Nooooooo
No one will pass on us because they’ll run for 300 yards per game.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
I think Carr will get tagged and traded to St. Louis or New England for picks...
or just RG3
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Clark Hunt & Pioli, get some KING KONG BALLS and move up to draft a QB in the 1st RD of the 2012 NFL Draft: RG3 or Luck.
Don't tease me
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Hope so.
Would hate to see Carr just walk. I know they might get a comp pick, but I’d rather not bank on that (especially since we are all hoping for some fairly high profile additions in FA).
Bingo...
That is exactly what I see the Chiefs doing. Tag/Trade Carr, re-sign Bowe and move on from there in the FA market.
Once we got Routt, it was leverage against both Bowe and Carr imo. Carr knows he can’t try to suck the life out of KC for money as we already have his replacement. He either takes what we offer him or he tries to hit the FA market. The first moment he commits to the market, we tag him and he is at our mercy when it comes to trades. If we tag Carr, then I think it shows we are setting up to re-sign Bowe.
I really doubt they tag Carr before getting Bowe signed.
Doesn’t make much sense to leave themselves vulnerable to losing Bowe.
There is NO WAY!!!
Carr is hitting the “Open Market!”
Why do I keep hearing that? Stop saying Open Market, it is not happening. He WILL be traded for SOMETHING.
It all hinges on what they do w/ Bowe
If they can’t come to terms prior to the tag deadline, they may be forced to tag him and let Carr walk.
I think we would still get a 3rd rounder for him as a compensatory pick...
so it’s not a total disaster. Obviously a 2nd or a late 1st would be better. Guess right now we should all be hoping for a long-term Bowe contract before the tag dead line gets here.
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Feb 20, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Even if you overpay Bowe and break the bank
It is still worth it, because you get that value back by being able to use the Franchise Tag on Carr.
It seems that simple to me, you have to sign Bowe no matter what.
That's true.
Hopefully with the threat of the tag, and the deep FA WR class, we shouldn’t have to overpay too much.
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Feb 20, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
No, a disaster would be Carr walking
Without any kind of viable replacement. We’ve already avoided the worst case scenario.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
It certainly could depending on what happens with Bowe.
Hopefully it won’t come to that, but it could.
Why not?
I don’t think any team would give a 1st rounder for him. There’s already a couple CBs in the draft who are potential #1 CBs. It’s quite possible that a team would give up a 2nd rounder, if they are able to sign him to a nice contract.
But he will be overpaid, so I think that will hurt his trade value. So why wouldn’t Pioli simply not tag him at all and let him sign with another team and simply pick up the 3rd rounder for free?
The franchise tag will probably be used on Bowe anyway.
Tag/Trade Carr to St. Louis Rams and Bring RG3 to Kansas City!!!
Or use those picks to get extra offensive lineman and a nasty ass nose tackle, then bring Payton Manning to town and scare the rest of the league!!!
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Clark Hunt & Pioli, get some KING KONG BALLS and move up to draft a QB in the 1st RD of the 2012 NFL Draft: RG3 or Luck.
Just to mention...I think #39 should stay in K.C. Carr has done well and continues to improve...
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Clark Hunt & Pioli, get some KING KONG BALLS and move up to draft a QB in the 1st RD of the 2012 NFL Draft: RG3 or Luck.
I'm sorry, but I think you're gonna have to let him go.
With other needs on this team, I don’t see any way Carr is signed long-term now.
Assuming they tag carr
Let’s assume they tag carr, do you think there would be enough demand for him to get a 2nd for him?
Once the top tier CBs are off the market?
Easily. If not more then a 2nd. Especially for any team in a pass happy division.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
A 1st from New England would make me happy
and they got cap and need before Brady flames out
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Other then NE though I wouldnt call any of those other teams pass happy
Unless Miami signs Peyton. Then I think we have a trade partner. I was thinking more along the lines of Washington or Detroit.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Washington has money
not multiple 1st round picks
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Cleveland or Cincy or New England
and Cincy was interested in Routt
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Carr isn't worth a 1st....unless we throw in a pick too
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Carr's value may be close to a first...
Young, in his prime, considered one of the top 3 CB’s available…
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Especially when there are CBs capable of being #1s in the draft
Why would any team give up a first round pick for a #2 (even if a good #2) when they can simply draft a CB ready to play #2 and have the potential of being a future #1 AND cost less money?
Because that's stopped Washington from making stupid decisions before?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't thnk they would give up the 6th pick
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
True.
But they’ve never been shy about trading future picks. Could be a 2013.
I think so.
I think the RGIII scenarios a few a throwing around is a bit wishful thinking. But I think reasonable men could get a second for him.
Why is it wishful
Who thought we could sign a guy that had a paycheck of 11 million per year
for 6.6?
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Say we lose the coin flip
12th pick is worth 1200 points
Cincy’s 21st pick is worth 800
New Englands 27th pick is worth 680
Cleveland is sitting tight at the 4th Pick, Washington has the 6th pick but not two 1st’s to trade
- is worth 2600 – St.louis
- is worth 2200 – Minnesota
We are right in th ballpark
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
and Carr is being held among those top tier CB’s. Very realistic to expect CB needy teams with extra picks to be interested in acquiring a young but proven commodity.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
by shotty on Feb 20, 2012 6:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I like Arenas a lot
But next to Flowers and Carr he was most definitely a weak link versus 3 and 4 WR sets.
With so many teams focusing on the passing game, I don’t see any problem with keeping Carr with Flowers and Routt.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Wishful thinking
Through trade or FA, the reality seems Carr will no longer be a Chief.
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
If I had a buzzer I would buzz you.
Arenas graded out as our best CB last year, albeit in limited snaps. Best QB rating against and 0 TDs. Thats a second year player thats only getting better.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, liked Arenas last year
He didn’t seem as banged up.
We just need a guy on the other side that can slot defend also.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Stats versus watching the game
When teams needed a completion on 3rd and 6, it sure seemed like they picked on Arenas a lot from the slot
I know he’s very good…is he better than Flowers, Carr, or Routt? No. So a nickel package of those three would be an upgrade, wouldn’t it?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
He was a second year player
And yes he’s a better slot CB then both Carr and Routt. I think Flowers woul dbe a slot stuf but lets leave him where he is.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Dunno if Routt or Carr can transition into playing the slot
It is a little different ballgame and you are gambling quite a bit of money if they can’t make the switch. If it was a one-year contract, I would be okay with it, but not $20 million over 3 years.
I think we need to add another slot defender to help out on the other side of Arenas. A guy I like a lot is Charles Brown from UNC — probably the best pure slot corner in the Draft and can be had in the late rounds.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I think when we're in a situation where we need another slot defender
Flowers should be the guy (if we retained Routt and Carr, which I know is unlikely).
His talents are perfect for it.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is money.
Tough to tie up that much in one position group.
agreed
$60 million in Berry. $50 million in Flowers. Hard to justify another $40 million in one more guy.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
by the way
Arenas is costing us around $1 mill/yr and Lewis $500K/yr.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Even if Carr is left to "walk"
We would get a compensatory pick, correct? Assuming Orton also goes elsewhere, that makes 2 compensatory picks. Someone smarter than me should inform us what rounds these would be in. Because I have no idea.
Next year, I believe so
Depending on playing time.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Theres a convoluted equation on figuring those out
But if we lost both Carr and Orton and signed less FAs then lost and those two played alot of snaps and performed well then it could lead to two high comp picks.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
and the highest is a third
We can get a better pick by franchising Carr and trading him
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Yepper
Thats ideal. Hopefully this forces Bowes hand and he sits down and hammers a new contract out in fear of getting tagged so we can use it on Carr.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
and we can't trade comp picks even if we got them
and with the number of FA’s we will sign this year.
I doubt we will qualify for any comp picks in 2013
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
We're going to lose quite a few FAs too though.
And if Pioli lets bowe or carr walk I would bet my left nut that he’s going to make sure he gets his comp pick.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Not High Dollar losses
Except Bowe or Carr
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly, Carr's days on the FA market are over...
Carr will never hit the FA market. The Chiefs will Tag/Trade him and get at least a 2nd rounder for him. That is better than any compensatory pick the Chiefs may get for him.
He wants big $$$ and the Chiefs know that. We are willing to shell out a good chunk but not the amount he wants.
There is a guy that does predictions and is pretty good, can't remember the name of him
I know we got a 6th for Wade Smith last year and he played quite a bit.
It is definitely in your favor to tag and trade with a guy like Carr. Less risk and likely a much higher pick.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
we won't let him walk, but if we did I am assuming we would get a third, since he will start every game next season
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
How can you say that with certainty?
If they can’t come to terms w/ Bowe prior to the tagging deadline, Bowe gets the tag for sure.
I think Bowe has less leverage
Given the deep FA class at WR. And the fact we drafted Jon Baldwin last year.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Baldwin
Had a less then stellar rookie year. And Cassel will have no idea who to throw to, if no Bowe
Teeeeebbbbooooowwww!
and kiss my ass for giving me a warning about Trolling.
I am not advocating it
Just stating the facts.
Marques Colston, Vincent Jackson will dilute the market.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
How can you say THAT with certainty?
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Because there is no way they slap the tag on Carr over Bowe now.
They would be fine at corner now. Losing Bowe would make WR a fairly big need.
I reject everyone's reality
We lock up Bowe and Carr, trade Cassel to anyone for mid round picks, sign the best NT available (don’t feel like spelling his name), trade up for RG3 and get lower round O-linemen that turn out awesome and are pro bowlers for the next 15 years.
Yep, I like my reality better…
Jamaal Charles is here to kick ass and chew bubble gum; and he's all outta bubble gum.
by His Royal Greatness on Feb 20, 2012 5:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Can I live there, too?
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 20, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely,
We have great weather, free cable, the ugliest women looks like jen sterger and every beer ever made is on tap with ice cold frosty glasses.
Jamaal Charles is here to kick ass and chew bubble gum; and he's all outta bubble gum.
by His Royal Greatness on Feb 20, 2012 5:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What could be happening?!?!?!?
Here we go KC fans…
With Routte signing…
Give D-Bowe the 5/55mill he wants…
Tag Carr and then Trade him to Rams plus a 1st round pick and Guess what
RG3 is in KC….
Call it far fetch but it’s starting to look like that day by day…
That is farfetched
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I'm going to hang onto the hope that that's what's happening
If they sign Bowe and franchise Carr my hopes are going to raise…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Well Rams need CB's
Carr is proven…
Plus the Rams still get a 1st round pick at 11….
Its a win win for both
Except its a bigger win if they take the 2 first rounders and 4 other picks some stupid team will overpay to move up a la Falcons circa 2011.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
WHO is going to do that?
name them please
The problem is that the Rams in a rebuild are not going to want to pay a CB 10 Million per year
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Depending on where you are looking from
Call it far fetch but it’s starting to look like that day by day…
I'm pretty sure this Routt deal is a sign that we're going to pick up Manning.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Take that to the bank and smoke it
Wait? huh?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather just smoke it
Jamaal Charles is here to kick ass and chew bubble gum; and he's all outta bubble gum.
by His Royal Greatness on Feb 20, 2012 5:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dont think so
Reggie and manning want to do a package deal or something like that…and stay in Indy
I didn't say we were going to play Manning
Just use him as a 20M$ clipboard storage unit.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
The same Manning that can't throw a ball 30 yards right now?
Yep. Sounds like a solid plan. Sign Routt, let Carr walk (or tag him, for what, I dunno) so we can get half a Manning. Brilliant.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
yes how did u read my mind
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 20, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
Chiefs are getting active early. This is unlike Pioli to make moves like this. This is going to be interesting…
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Im curious
How committed are the rams to bradford? Would they be willing to send him packing and take RGIII? I can’t see them trading bradford, but I do think that #2 pick will be available for Wash, Miami, KC, etc.
Yeah I figured.
They pretty much have to be committed to bradford with his contract. I wonder how much it will take for a team to get up to #2.
Routt getting over 6 million dollars a year
kind of makes me think Carr is gone.
Like Joel said, that is “starter” money. Looks like they could have just found themselves a cheap replacement.
If this is the case, it’s disappointing. It’s not the end of the world, I’m interested in seeing what Romeo can do with a player like Routt. He has size and speed on Carr. However, I had always hoped to see Brandon & Brandon blossom into a great tandem.
Why noy Tag
Bowe and then trade him to Rams and the 11th to get RG3
KC can still pick up WR in free agency…. hmmmm
ReaLLY
Caught 62.3% of the passes thrown his way this season, his highest total since PFF began
also Despite his touchdown receptions dropping from 15 to five, Bowe had an impressive 2011. Catching a pass of 20 yards or more in 12 of 16 games this year, he showed that he can stretch the field and, in the right situation
Wes Welker is outright better.
It can be argued that Desean Jackson is as good or better too.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Welker is still a better WR than Bowe.
FAs are not graded only by their height.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
That is bullshit.
Yeah Wes Welker is a hard worker and does incredible things, but he was a NOBODY before he got with Tom Brady. Seriously, he wasn’t even considered a good receiver.
The Patriots figured out a good way to use him, he got one of the greatest of all time throwing him the ball, and boom he’s a great receiver.
But outright better than Bowe? It’s bullshit. Bowe is way bigger, way stronger, bigger hands, faster, better blocker. Wes Welker is NOT a better receiver than Dwayne Bowe. He is a more accomplished receiver than Dwayne Bowe.
Put that little alligator armed Burger King handed dude on the Chiefs and he would disappear.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 20, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
If he sucked so bad
Why was BB willing to trade a 2nd for him?
He’d actually had a decent 2nd year with the Dolphins.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm 6'5
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
10 years ago maybe
Now I have the speed of a wounded gazelle. And by wounded I of course mean one that’s missing three legs.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
In all honestly though
If Tom Brady is my QB I’m taking Bowe over Welker all day long.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe runs a 4.4
Thats pretty quick.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well he can go deep...here
Caught 62.3% of the passes thrown his way this season, his highest total since PFF began
also Despite his touchdown receptions dropping from 15 to five, Bowe had an impressive 2011. Catching a pass of 20 yards or more in 12 of 16 games this year, he showed that he can stretch the field and, in the right situation
20 yards....
How did Castle get the ball to him? (joking) I like Bowe, but there may be half a dozen recievers in this draft as good. 4.4 DB’s look slow next to Jackson.
This is not true.
Desean Jackson
Vincent Jackson
Wes Welker
Marques Colston
Steve Johnson
Are all 30 or younger.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Yeah it is
Which is why I’m not too worried about Bowe. I hope we can keep him, but there are other options if we can’t.
However, that class to me indicates that he won’t ask for outrageous money.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Well D-Bowe 27
Vincent Jackson 29
Wes Welker 31
Marques Colston 29
the younger one will get taged johnson and Jackson
You're looking too much into age.
All 4 of those players are in their prime.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Yep
Remember your signing them to a 4-5 year deal… think about it.. they wont take a 2-3 year deal at this point in there career
Remember 4-5 years isn't necessarily 4-5 years in the NFL.
Contract structure is everything. You’d have an easier time making this argument with Carr. There’s much less out there at corner.
WRs (good ones anyway)
Tend to be productive up into their mid 30s.
I would absolutely take Welker over Bowe. I’m not even going to argue it anymore. To say otherwise screams out homer.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
True
But to spend that kind of money and years go with the younger WR. To get the most out of the cap and players you would go for Bowe. also he will have trade value twords the end of his contract not like the oler ones.. in there mid 30’s
No.
The proven product gets paid more. That’s how it really works. Welker is in his prime. He’s going to get paid. Bowe is in his prime, he’s going to get paid. Welker is the better player, he’ll get paid more.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Well watching the super bowl
He lost it towards the end…. think hes not the player he used to be… also D-Bowe has been healthy his whole season.. Wes well that knee is always going to be an issue as he gets older…
he made it to the Superbowl
by leading the entire NFL in receptions. I think he has an advantage on Bowe.
And Welker is listed as 30 on NFL.com.
And Colston is 28.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I think
Welker, Wallace and V-Jax are all better than Bowe and I’d argue Colston is as good and more consistent with his hands.
Oops.
Bottom line: it’s arguable who the “prize” of the FA WR’s is. There’s plenty out there.
Umm they did try to sell off one game a year for the next 18 years to London when their lease won't allow it.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
i could easily see the rams doing this
They would get a star WR to help bradford and could draft o line at 11.
by Chiefsdodgerslakers2415 on Feb 20, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Great Move by Pioli
Carr is going to cash in with some other team. He is done in KC, and we have Routt, who has proven to be the better player — they are comparable at the very least. Carr is definitely going to make more than $6M/yr and I wish him well. He owes Herm a debt of gratitude. Pioli gets a very similar (probably better) player for considerably less $. This move is sweet all by itself. If he tags/trades Carr for a 2nd rounder, well that’s just SICK. Almost unfair to have a GM schooling the rest of the league like that. And it’s not unlikely he’ll fleece somebody for Carr’s services, either. He traded a handful of spots back w/ the Browns last year and absolutely stole their early 3rd rounder as compensation. Then he turned that pick into Justin Houston. SICK.
how exactly is Routt "probably better?"
by most measures he is worse and he is older.
i can be sold on this signing as a “we really doubt we can afford to pay Carr” contingency and the remaining cap room is used to improve this team. without SIGNIFICANT FA improvements (guys like Nicks, Soliai, Mario Williams…) in other areas, i will be very disappointed. if we pocket that extra money, we will have let a home-grown legit #2 CB walk for an older, crappier player.
by nickpapagiorgio on Feb 20, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
This is very similar to some of the moves
done by Pioli as the head guy of the Patriots. If it appears any given player is going to break the bank at their position, Pioli moves into a situation to remedy the problem. It may not be optimum, but this is how you keep your team competitive year after year. Because of the Chiefs signing Routt they now have options instead of scrambling to fill a void if Carr absolutely pulled up stakes and left. I think this is a great move on Piolis part. Worst case scenario…………Flowers starts this season with Routt opposite him. Routt has played very well with Namdi Asomougha at Oakland when Namdi was there. Routt dropped off somewhat as the number 1 corner without Namdi there, but that certainly does not mean he cannot be an effective number 2 corner.
"The Hammer"
Personally
I wouldn’t mind Cassel getting a new 5 year 60 mil deal.
bring back PalKo as his backup!
Teeeeebbbbooooowwww!
and kiss my ass for giving me a warning about Trolling.
Trying to figure out what is going on in Pioli's head right now
Then it occurred to me:
by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 20, 2012 5:39 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
my prediction
i predict brandon carr goes and leaves kansas city, i predict that bowe stays i have a itching feeling that pioli will be agressive but agressive in a cheap manner now i am hoping i am wrong about this but here is what i hope does not happen but it might he will go after the following players cooley, nicks, koppen (maybe),henne, mathis,and possibly bush , besides nicks and bush who made be expensive those picks are a lot cheaper and could make sense for pioli, but what i would love to get is the giants de uri…… sorry cannot spell his name but i know the giants are asking a lot for him in a trade but i think that is where pioli is going to me hope not but let’s face it ,clark wants to keep a fat pocketbook so the cheaper the better!!!!
In important Braves news
Tommy Hanson appears to be getting a HEAD start on injuries this year. Ugh…………
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Wait til Stanzi takes over
Pioli hoodwinked the Bucs out of their early 5th rounder in exchange for … Alex Magee. That’s right, ALEX MAGEE. Then he turned their 5th rounder into … RICKY STANZI. Prest-O, Change-O. Bucs de-panst’d-O.
In all fairness
That same Pioli turned our 3rd rounder into Alex Magee.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
You know you're bad and irrelevant when this is your wikipage picture
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Pioli had like 10 min. to get ready for that draft. But that picture is awesome. I’m not sure he even knows where the field is.
Pioli was VP of Player Personnel for the Patriots before we got him
the draft didn’t just sneak up and bite him in the ass.
by nickpapagiorgio on Feb 20, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
that, for example, Oakland chose Heyward-Bey does not absolve Pioli
for thinking Tyson Jackson would be the best player for the Chiefs at #3.
by nickpapagiorgio on Feb 20, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Not trying to absolve Pioli.
Just saying it was a crappy draft overall. The Chiefs could have done worse than getting three starters (counting Vrabel) and their kicker.
Pretty sure they only SWITCHED 5th rounders in that trade.
I don’t think they got a 5th straight up for him.
RG3
is getting a little closer to sporting chiefs red!!! Signing Routt freed up more $ to compensate for loss of draft picks in FA,and gives us the ability to tag & trade carr to move up.. If bowe is signed longterm & carr is traded for pick(s) before the draft, RG3 is a chief next year,are at least as probable as drafting a guard 11/12.
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Feb 20, 2012 6:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I like this move in a lot of ways
It gets us out of a no win situation. If both guys wanted to test the market, the only realistic way to keep them both would have been to franchise one and overpay the other. Some other team would have thrown big money at whichever one was free to sign. We were almost guaranteed to have a big hole to fill somewhere or spend a lot of salary cap.
You know what I really like? Maybe this will cause the “no big free agents want to come to KC, the Chiefs are cheap” crowd to shut the he’ll up. In meaningful signings this year the score is Chiefs 1, rest of the league 0.
Routt is not a "big" free agent
it is possible that by using the money saved by not paying for a better #2 CB (like Carr), we will sign big free agents later. that’s what i’m hoping for anyway. otherwise, i’ll be very disappointed by swapping Carr for Routt.
by nickpapagiorgio on Feb 20, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Is it possible
i know alot about football but im gonna have to ask this one im in the dark and thats why i got you all.. Would it be possible to sign bowe and tag carr since we already of course signed routt, then in the draft attach carr to are 12th round pick and a second next year for there 2nd this year..And just have St louis pick up Carrs contract this year and work out a deal this season sometime.. Is it possible and legit i mean sound pretty fair to me..
still not sure what to think
I am surprised by the Routt deal… thought for sure Carr’d be back, he still might…
Idk, making moves, though… at least they aren’t sitting back..
by stagdsp on Feb 20, 2012 8:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
we won't resign him and at this point i can't say that's a bad move
would mean way too much money tied up in the secondary (Carr, Flowers, Berry, Routt) while glaring needs on both lines (likely) go unaddressed.
by nickpapagiorgio on Feb 20, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
The Chiefs still need to sign Carr.
If anything should tell the Chiefs anything this past season is that they need depth. With offenses spreading the defense out more and more— we need 3 shut down DBs with 2 shut down safeties that we line up against our opponents WRs and TEs. The days of putting a LB on a TE should be coming to a end since these are almost always a mismatch in favor of the offense. Besides until we see Eric Berry lining up and on the field playing 100% of the time— the Chiefs need to prepare for the worst case scenario. Flipping out a DB for another DB is not upgrading your roster.
by NFL season ticket holder on Feb 20, 2012 9:20 PM CST reply actions
Carr
Is a perfect example of who Pioli and Co. want to develop players and keep them.. that’s all ive heard from them so SIGN HIM.. He’s home grown, has made improvement, and is arguably a #1 CB now. With the addition of Routt we would of a awesome secondary!
by sweetactionjackson13 on Feb 21, 2012 12:17 AM CST reply actions
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