Stanford Routt Decision Reportedly Coming Today
by Joel Thorman on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 AM CST
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Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reported over the weekend that a decision from free agent Stanford Routt on his 2012 employer will be coming "soon". I smart-assed it up a little bit and noted that "soon" could be a day or it could mean a month.
Actually, soon meant a day. Florio reports that Routt is expected to make his decision today. ESPN's Bill Williamson is reporting the same. (Mass text messages for the win!) Presumably, he'll also make that decision public today. PFT connects the dots for a prediction on where Routt plays next season:
Since the Chiefs play the Raiders twice per year and they face the possible departure of Brandon Carr via free agency and they use the same kind of man-to-man style with which Routt is familiar, we've got a feeling Routt will be wearing an arrowhead on his next helmet.
Makes sense but if this means Routt over free-agent-to-be Brandon Carr then that'd be a tough pill to swallow. Carr is the exact kinda guy you want to extend -- homegrown, well-respected in the city and locker room, and an improving player. I understand the Chiefs have to make decisions without emotion involved but, man, it would be tough to see a guy like Carr leave via free agency.
But, before we get ahead of ourselves, let's first see what Routt decides to do.
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I really want(ed) Carr back.
But I’ve resigned myself to the possibility that he’ll be way overpaid by someone, so if the Chiefs can get value in someone like Routt, I’d be fine with that as an alternative.
He'll be tagged before that happens, I would think.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Feb 20, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Great minds think alile.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
So if we tag Carr and trade him
what would/could we get? Enough fire power to move up for RGIII?
2 2nd round picks or 1 1st
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Unless we trade him to the Raiders
Then we get their first round pick from 2012-2037
thats true.
but never know , sometimes the apple doesnt fall far from the tree .
They hired a GM so that they don't make those mistakes anymore
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
yea forgot about him
thinking more about that son of his
His son is not really a football guy.
That’s why he first gave Hue Jackson so much power (big mistake) and now Reggie McKenzie (could be good). He’s not going to micromanage like his papa did.
How could anybody NOT be a football guy?
If I inherited an NFL team, I’d not only quit my day job, I’d probably quit sleeping too.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That's not what I meant.
I’m sure he’s a fan. I’m just saying he doesn’t consider himself an expert who should be running a team first hand. He’s delegating responsibility for that, to people who are more qualified.
Now if he would just delegate his hair cutting responsibiliy to a professional, he'd be set.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
He should see if Clark will give him the name of his barber.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
God I miss that man.
I have this horrible suspicion that Reggie McKenzie is turning them into a respectable, well-run, competent, and harder-to-hate organization.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Oh, I'll still hate the Raiders. But there's a difference between the rivalry hatred I have for the Broncos and Chargers and what I felt for the Raiders.
The thuggish, uber-penalty commiting, terrible drafting, extremely belligerent Raiders as run by their crypt keeper madman of an owner were a perfect storm of things to hate.
If McKenzie starts running them like a real team, it’ll just be a little different, you know?
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Or a negative fourth rounder or so,
and the #2 overall.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
probably not
but still enough to fill some more holes
Wouldn't be ecstatic if they signed Routt, but wouldn't be mad either
The FA questions would be answered, and Bowe would know exactly where he stood. Sign or tag. That leaves the GM and co to focus in on spending that huge bankroll.
If we sign Routt
we have to get Bowe taken care of so we can tag Carr. That way he doesn’t get away for nothing, should we decide not to keep him.
Even if he does "get away for nothing," we should get a comp pick for him next year.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
And a good one, too.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Actually, scratch that. Isn't that only if you don't sign a FA to replace him?
I think Routt would negate that.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
It doesn't work like that.
It takes all your FA losses and gains into account, not just for a specific position.
I don't think anybody knows the formula for sure,
but I’m pretty sure there’s no such thing as negative comp picks…. Anyway, how would you determine if he’s been “replaced?” What if we call Routt a safety on the depth chart?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
id be happy about that
But i still want carr back
2011 record 10-6. It worked for me last year!
by fleetmarine on Feb 20, 2012 10:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Maybe, just maybe
we can have both Carr and Routt?
by Arrowhead Cassel on Feb 20, 2012 10:53 AM CST reply actions
Hahaha
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
i wouldn't be mad
love to keep Carr . but not for 10+ million
This actually upsets me
Simply because I have been a Carr fan from his first Game with the Chiefs……I understand the reasoning behind it, but honestly I really don’t want to see Carr leave
If we do have to let him go though
He should be tagged….smh…(hate to say that too) dude should get a deal
by Njohnson816 on Feb 20, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Saw this on twitter:
Carr is so active with the community, lives in KC during the off season & attends HS BBall games.
Does anyone read this, and think, that Carr may take a pay cut to stay in KC even if Routt was here? He would know that the Chiefs would be dominant, and that he’d be the #2 CB still.
Carr seems to love KC, love the atmosphere since he lives here in the offseason, and I know for a fact he is good friends with the other corners, so it seems he would be willing to take a small pay cut on what he originnally wanted, if Routt was brought back. Just a thought.
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
He wouldve given a home discount if we hadn't RFA tagged him.
No he wants to get paid.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I've thought of this
I follow him on twitter and it genuinely seems like he loves being here
by Njohnson816 on Feb 20, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Just to spice this up a bit....
What if
Pioli signs Routt to a #2 CB type deal(6-7M$ range), which then makes Bowe’s braintrust think he’s getting the tag for sure and forces their hand to get a contract done, then Pioli turns around and tags Carr after signing Bowe, and in turn trades him before the draft?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
i think that idea is very possible
if the chiefs are Strongly interested in signing Routt then its very well possible that carr wants #1 CB money and the chiefs just wont do it . So routt is the option . Why not then tagg car and get a pick for him .
I hope this isn't just about saving money...
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Might not be about saving money
But it could be about not overpaying.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
Carr isnt dumb . He knows SOMEONE will overpay for him . Honestly i dont want to be that team . I love carr , but hate overpaying
But...
If you’re going to overpay…overpay for the player you know. The player who’s been on your team and in your locker room.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
i would be mad if the chiefs got in a bidding war and payed like
16 million. I agree overpaying is better on team , but to a limit.
if he's askin for that much i Love him but 16 mil????
You are a great Corner, but idk about that one
by Njohnson816 on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
no no
im saying if its some outrageous number , just used 16 mill as a reference
To a degree I agree
Carr deserves the most money of any #2 CB in the league and should get paid that. But giving him #1 money or matching another team that will pay him #1 money doesn’t make alot of sense.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Downgrading at CB doesn't make much sense, either.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
It does if it isn't much of a downgrade and saves you 4-5M$
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
And is it that much of a downgrade?
Routt was a very good #2 guy. Good enough to get a raise to 11M$ a year. I think the problem is that as Chiefs fans we’re overvalueing Carr because he’s valuable to us but might not be an actual #1 CB worth #1 dollars.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
But not good enough...to not get cut.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
He got cut because he isn't a #1 guy and doesn't deserve #1 dollars
Don’t be surprised if Carr becomes Routt 2.0 if he leaves and gets a #1 job somewhere.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
If we overpay to keep Carr, then he really would be identical to Routt.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
As far #2 CB go, I think Antonio Cromartie's 4 year/$32 million contract will be a starting point
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
If Carr wanted 8 then I say give it to him and be done.
Something tells me he knows or his agent is telling him that he’ll probably get 10+ on the open market though.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
He definitely will
Detroit’s secondary got exposed pretty bad in the playoffs and I could see Carr going back home. The Viking’s CB are either old or injury prone so I could see him ending up there too. Also there is the Redskin’s and I wouldn’t be surprised if Dan Snyder just handed Carr a blank check.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
At the moment they're in cap trouble.
But like, every team with cap issues, they’re working on restructuring deals and cutting dead weight. If they really want Carr, they’ll be able to make it happen.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
LOTS of teams could use a CB like Carr.
Easily more than half of the league, I’d say.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
The point is
we don’t want to be the team overpaying. If we can get Routt, a team overpays for Carr and we lock up Bowe with the tag, we are still in excellent shape moving forward.
I don’t want to see Carr leave, but business is business.. This isn’t being cheap, it’s building an entire team. Nobody up here wanted to see Richard Seymour go. Nobody. But it was the right move to help build the team further.
by Steve_in_RI on Feb 20, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I think its about #2
cornerback money vs #1.
We’ve already paid our #1 and if we pay our #2 more then we’re going to have issues.
I think Routt got paid #1 money and after being cut (and getting creamed during the season) realized that being #1 brings a ton of added pressure IF you don’t have someone on the other side as good or better.
Routt may like the Chiefs because he can get revenge on the silver and black 2 times a year and not have the pressure of a #1 .
Just my opinion
I'd be thrilled to have both
Routt and Carr. BEAUtiful having Flowers Carr and Routt in the secondary. Let’s get physical!
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
agreed
if Routt IS signed , it could be cause Carr is on his way out .
Yeah.
It would be fun to have all those guys back there, but stupid when you have so many other needs.
What if Crennel wants to play more man to man and we sign Routt and Carr and trade Flowers?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Trade Flowers???
then i’d really be pissed
by Njohnson816 on Feb 20, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Not saying I endorse the idea
But if we were going to more man to man looks then flowers would be the one to go.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Might screw with the cap trading Flowers.
Accelerating the cap for his signing bonus, which would otherwise be spread out over the life of the contract.
It would be alot of fun
but you are right , we dont really have that luxury yet. we have some voids to fill
Not really.
A couple teams are getting three top CBs, and the league keeps going to more and more passing all the time. Remember how much time we spend in nickel and dime packages, even though our DC/HC is arguably THE 3-4 2-gap guru.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Carr and Routt on the outside with Flowers in the slot and Berry and Lewis over the top and Houston and Hali rushing would be rediculous.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
And Arenas in the slot
on offense :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Having a physical inside guy would be nice
since we get lit up often by tight ends
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So we should find about Carr's future today as well
If we sign Routt, I don’t see anyway we keep Carr as well. If we don’t sign Routt, it may indicate Pioli thinks a deal can get done with Carr.
lets get him signed
he is a big name
by Christian Scruggs on Feb 20, 2012 11:10 AM CST reply actions
let him go…why can’t we overpay for our own guys…we have the money…we want carr back…make it happen…
overpaying isnt always the best idea
ie routt .
Never the best idea.
Unless you want to live poor.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
once players hit the market, some will overpay…when was the last time a player in his prime signed for a “reasonable” contract? It doesn’t happen. Supply and demand. I’m sure some team will want to overpay bowe too. And if we want that DT from Miami, we’ll have to overpay too. The only way any team gets fair value is if the player is at the end of his career, like a kelly gregg.
Charles, Flowers, Hali and Johnson
None were overpaid
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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I completely agree with Joel on this, and would HATE to see the Chiefs turn into the Royals and let out best homegrown talk walk off
Carr is the exact kinda guy you want to extend — homegrown, well-respected in the city and locker room, and an improving player. I understand the Chiefs have to make decisions without emotion involved but, man, it would be tough to see a guy like Carr leave via free agency
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
So after Charles, Flowers, DJ and Hali
if they lose one guy to free agency, they’re like the Royals?
by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
then why NOT re-sign Carr?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
If hes asking for more money than they're willing to give?
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'll say this (again)
whatever Flowers is getting is what Carr should be getting …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
disagree
i’m willing to bet they have a structured plan on how/where/when to spend their money. Just because we don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it’s not there.
You make an offer and they take it or leave it. If Carr wants top dollar and he’s not willing to stay if it’s not here, it sucks, but you move on. Let’s see how the rest of the offseason plays out and see if Routt + whoever is better than Carr + whoever (if could still afford)
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And as stated
Routt + pics (insert crazy RGIII scenario here) > Carr
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 20, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody keeps all their free agents.
Even the good ones. It’s not a matter of just deciding whether or not you want someone. You have an entire roster to build, and only so much money with which to do it.
The Chiefs have done a good job of keeping their homegrown talent so far, so any Royals comparison is bullshit, regardless of whether or not Carr is re-signed.
Meh
I don’t ever see a Royals problem in the NFL. Cap makes all the difference.
if Carr walks because Pioli is (or has been) too much of a lowballer to get him re-signed ...
… if we lose Bowe …
look, we’ve already left cap money on the table, that’s how they have money to rollover NOW … and nobody better to spend it on that Carr and Bowe … anything less is telling me Pioli (and Hunt) are playing Glass games
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
So in other words, unless they do exactly what you want...
They suck? :)
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
No no,
the Clarks should pay whatever it takes to keep Carr, but at the same time Carr should take a home town discount. See? It’s all very simple if you believe that the failure of communism was due to minor clerical errors.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Why will we have to overpay for Soliai?
His market is very limited.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
All it takes is one other team...
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
So after all this talk.....If Routt doesn't sign with the Chiefs
Do we all just go back to hopin a deal gets done, or is Carr the best CB on the open market? Cause if that is so anyone else would be a downgrade right?
Frankly, Routt is a probable downgrade from Carr.
Just not a huge one. There are a number of competent corners available in free agency. Carlos Rodgers, Brent Grimes, Cortland Innegan, Tracy Porter, etc. Plus there will likely be some cap casualties or other cuts as well. I’d be willing to bet one of the Philly corners either gets dealt or gets the axe, for example.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Routte would be GREAT
I love Carr but having a faster #2 corner would be AWESOME! Routte Was a semifinalist in the 200-meters at the U.S. Olympic Trials…came within one of making it to the finals..
Would be one of the fastest players on the squad. You cant teach speed but can teach discipline. He wasn’t coached right at the Raiders. Let Emmitt Thomas do his thing and I bet everyone will forget about Carr…
Al Davis, you've come back from the grave!
As a Chiefs fan?
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Hahaha
Chiefs dont have fast corners. And I believe Routte would be a upgrade for that. Think of all the things he can be used for. Heck KC can finally put pressure on the QB from the CB position. And Blitz…
You know, Carr is surprisingly quick.
And Arenas is both fast and can blitz.
But you’re right, Routt would be the fastest corner on the team.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Just think
Arenas drops back into zone and Routte off the edge attacking the QB bilnd side… can we say sack or even better fumble…
I see it now....those who spell cassel as cassell will be loving them some stanford routte...aka routt
if they let colquitt walk im going to kick someone
Team Colquitt
Hmm...
Looks like Carr could be on his way out. Routt is a good alternative though. He wasn’t as good as Carr last year, but he also didn’t have Flowers playing across form him. I think with some coaching from Romeo and some better players around him, Routt can be just as good as Carr. Hopefully we can at least tag and trade him for a couple 2nd rounders. Bowe I think will be much more attainable since the FA WR market is so deep this year. Either we re-sign Bowe or go out and get someone close to his level.
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Feb 20, 2012 11:13 AM CST reply actions
i think redskins on friday
thats the last one i heard of lol
No one else had a two day visit based on what was reported.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Look I hope Rout doesn’t pick the Chiefs, or Carr is gone, and this front office has bullshitted us again! They want talk about keeping the guys that work hard and develop, well Carr has done nothing but prove he is core player and to not sign him is a dam shame!
by Chiefsallday25 on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
You cant sign someone that dosen't want to sign with them
I think Carr has made his mind up and going to Detroit. Call me cray but I believe him and chan gailey have already spoken. It wounldn’t be the 1st time Teams and players have dont that against the rules…
Gunther*
Not Chan.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Gunther would never tamper with a player like that.
by Tarkus on Feb 20, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Never say never
He did draft the player… and had a great relationship with Carr… Also Carr being from Detroit… you do the math.. Heck Detroit needs CB and will pay…
He was being facetious
Because we got rewarded a tampering penalty from them last year.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I think the Chiefs have been pretty good about putting their money where their mouth is when it comes to retaining home-grown talent.
Hali, Johnson, Flowers, Charles, even guys like Andy Studebaker have gotten new deals done.
No team is going to be able to keep every free agent.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
this^^
If we can get picks for him and get a good number two its the way to go. Remember as a gm you cant get attached
by chief red foreman on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thraiderskin says:
Feb 20, 2012 11:46 AM
Good, I want him on the Chiefs. We might not get completions, but we will get plenty of free penalty yards. Routt isn’t completely worthless mind you, he can knock down a pass, but the man also tries to knock down the reciever in the process.
Exactly.
The Raiders don’t have RAC City or ET for coaches. I think he’ll do just fine in KC with better coaching, and better players around him.
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
And back on the sideline that he knows and excelled at.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Translation:
He’s not as good as Asomugah, but we expected him to play the same role.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
The Chiefs could reach a deal and sign Bowe as
well as Routt. They could then tag Carr and either trade or retain him depending on the circumstances. If the Chiefs retained Carr, he and Flowers would be the starting cornerbacks with Routt on standby. Not too bad of a scenario.
"The Hammer"
Tag and trade Carr
then sign a free agent corner like Routt or Grimes…this would be whats best for the team
by Arrowhead Cassel on Feb 20, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions
and just hope a contract gets done with Bowe?
In Pioli We Trust
Yeah,
not many teams to be after Bowe like they are with Carr
by Arrowhead Cassel on Feb 20, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
True
but i feel like there are still enough teams that if we let him go to free agency we will eventually be over paying for him or another WR.
In Pioli We Trust
I guess it is pick your poison
I am guessing we will be over paying Bowe and/or Carr either way…but who knows, maybe one of them will accept a reasonable contract
by Arrowhead Cassel on Feb 20, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, its hard to say
when all we have to go off of is speculation, a year ago i would have assumed the carr would have been much more likely to sign a team friendly deal, but now it looks like it may be bowe. Or neither
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Worst scenario - we let both go in FA, and we get two comp 3rd round picks next year.
But I don’t think that happens because we have no reason to NOT use the franchise tag on one.
So, we sign one and tag-sign the other (just like we did Hali, and that worked out ok).
Or, we sign one and tag-trade the other for hopefully enough ammo to get RG3.
Or, one gets away (3rd round comp pick), and we tag the other.
Or, Pioli lives up to his reputation and signs both.
Really, there’s enough options that whatever happens shouldn’t be completely horrible.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'm with you,
i think no matter what we do, Pioli has us covered so it won’t be a too bad. The more and more i look at the situation i think we have to tag Bowe and hope we can get something done with either Carr or Routt.
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Maybe.
The WR FA class is quite a bit deeper it seems like. Bowe will probably be easier to retain and if not, there are alternatives.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Feb 20, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Grimes is absoutely a #1 corner.
Even though he’s a little older than Carr, he’s going to get a huge payday.
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I would be happy with
Signing Routt
and keeping Bowe
You can’t MAKE free agents resign with you. Maybe Carr has told the Chiefs he’s going to take the highest pay day and Pioli and Carr’s agent are just too far apart. That’s the NFL.
Another good point
Even if we do sign Routt it doesn’t mean that Carr isn’t going to be re-signed(although makes it unlikely) and until Carr signs elsewhere it’s kind of hard to determine whether or not this was a good or bad signing.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I may be the only one but
How is Routt being signed already? Doesn’t free agency have to start first?
by njchiefs3 on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He got cut.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
since he was cut by the raiders
he can sign with whoever….When they cut him they cut all ties with him basically. other people are still waiting for their contracts to expire
by Njohnson816 on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
He was cut, so not under contract.
Free agents under contract from 2011 don’t have their contracts end until March 13th.
Free Orton!
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+8
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Slave Orton?
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SpOrtonCus!
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If we DO sign Routt
….Carr is going to get $$$PAID$$$ somewhere else. Not a lot of CBs in FA with his talent.
I still think he's an unknown.
He’s shown well here but there’s still a huge question mark of if he’s a #1 CB. I think a team like washington would overpay to find out but they might end up disappointed.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Oh I agree... to be honest?
I think Carr is quite similar to Routt… Excellent at man-to-man coverage as a #2 CB. I think whatever team signs Carr to a big contract to be their #1 will be disappointed. I think a lot of Carr’s success comes from the fact that Flowers is playing on the other side.
Yep
The difference is Routt is a year ahead of Carr in knowing what he actually is which is an extremely good and talented #2 guy and that there’s nothing wrong with 7-8M$ and being on a good defense with maybe the top young secondary in the league.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
KC will Tag Bowe
Bowe would be the cheaper Tag and most likely let Carr walk. The CB’s in free agency are as good or even maybe a little better than Carr and would want as much money as Carr wants. I understand Bowe not signing his #‘s prove it. To me if Carr doesen’t want to be apart of whats going on in KC as Charles… Flowers…and DJ did with there contracts… Then why would KC want him…
I hope it doesn't come down to who's tag is cheaper
…. it’s only a few hundred thousand difference.
True BUT
I believe that Carr really wants the Money…As he should… But KC is building something good and needs players that understand where they stand with there contractsas Charles… Flowers…and DJ did not to break the bank. Carr has done a gr8 job but wanting more than Flower with lesser stats than Flowers is not good for the Team or locker room… Paying a little more for Routte or maybe less the locker room won’t get upset when a player like Routte can produce speed that the #1 CB doesnt have…Also punt and kickoffs too… its another piece of the pie that Routte can contribute…
Oh alright
Thanks for clearing that up
by njchiefs3 on Feb 20, 2012 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I know this thread is about Routt and Carr
but what about Osi Umenyiora ?? He might be leaving NYG. I would like this addition.
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I don't think he's ever played in a 3-4.
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probably not, but Crennel is a dang good D coach.
I figured I would stir the pot a little this morning =P
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What are you talking about
Carr never played in a 3-4 till 2yrs ago… 4-3 with Herm cover 2… and Dick…lol
And i believe University of Houston played 3-4 during his college years…
Setting aside for a moment the monster contract he wants.
Where would you play him. Would you bench Hali or Houston. I suppose Houston but he’s younger and more of a complete linebacker than Osi is likely to be.
Or would he just be a rotational player? That’s a lot of money to spend on someone who isn’t going to on the field every down.
He definitely wouldn’t be a good 3-4 end, so I’m not sure where he’d fit on the team.
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Pioli doesn't strike me
as a kind of a guy who enters negotations without some leverage. Signing Routt gives him a contingency plan in the event Carr does leave, but at the same time if he’s planning on retaining Carr he’s drawing a line in the sand saying, “We want you but can learn to live without you”. Perhaps Scott knows or senses deep down Carr wants to stay in KC yet at the same time Brandon is seeking every penny he can get (and rightfully so). I view this as a poker move and not neccessarily an indication Carr will no longer be a Chief. I respect Pioli is more calculated than we here at AP give him credit for. Similarly how I see this situation I saw the Baldwin draft selection. Leverage, depth, and contingencies
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 11:35 AM CST reply actions
If definitely opens up his options doesnt it.
Not only does it give him leverage with Carr but with Bowe as well if he really doesn’t want the franchise tag and assumes he’ll get it if we sign Routt then it might speed up those negotiations too.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I'd love to see
Routt, Carr, and Bowe all inked. Remember – the Chiefs & Romeo have been sniffing around for help at corner for a long time (Tye Hill, Leigh Bodden). Back even when Flowers & Carr had years left on their deals. Can never have enough good DB’s in this league
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Same reason we take a tackle at 11 this year with Albert due next year. Leverage and insurance against overpaying.
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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Great call.
I think we should start reviewing the OT candidate’s around here. Pioli’s already stated himself we need to improve upfront. My money is on Adams
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
You're going to see those OT candidates do a lot of shifting behind Kalil this week.
Adams, Reiff, and Martin are all trading right now.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Off the bat
I dislike Reiff. I just do – not a big fan of Iowa linemen. I know it’s bias, they’re just not sexy enough for me. Martin I can definitely live with though I question his ability to play LT. Drafting @ 11/12 I don’t think it’s great value to be drafting an exclusive RT. We need someone with the versatility and ability to play swing tackle, meaning starting at RT and filling in for LT if he has to. If Adams happens to develop into a better LT than Albert I’d be fine finally kicking Albert to his ‘natural position’, starting Hudson at center, Asamoah RG, and addressing the RT via draft or FA
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Trouble is, none but Kalil would have a better than even chance of being as good as Albert.
It’s one thing to say we need to draft this position, but if there’s nobody worth drafting….
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Sign Routt, Sign Bowe, Fanchise Carr
Trade Carr for a 2nd Rounder this year. Pioli works his magic again!
Even though Carr>Routt, it is still a great move.
Routt+2nd rounder > Carr
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This math needs a Rec.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Cole 3rd rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 4th rd, S G. Iloka or DT/NT Hicks 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar or ILB Galippo 6th; FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill; Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
disagree
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Ya but you also think we should take a guard at 11 ;)
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with DeCastro.
He’s a great player.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Cole 3rd rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 4th rd, S G. Iloka or DT/NT Hicks 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar or ILB Galippo 6th; FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill; Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I'm sure there is a great long snapper available at 11 too.
Re: This post.
I’d be fine with signing Bowe to a long term contract, signing Routt, and tagging/trading Carr for a 2nd round pick.
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
He might even be worth a bit more then a 2nd rounder
Or you might be able to package him with Dorsey for a first who knows. I think signing Routt gives Pioli alot more leverage and options, which is a much better idea then not having any leverage or options.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
As a guy who rather move up the draft than down, signing Routt does give us more ammo to do it.
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Truth.
Assuming we actually utilize the tag on Carr.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't this make the decision easier on who to tag/sign?
Sign Bowe, tag/trade Carr.
If we franchise Bowe, and let Carr walk for nothing, I’ll go balistic.
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'll help you light torches if that happens.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
In my mind, yes.
But I’m in that same boat. Letting Carr walk for nothing will make me absolutely lose it.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
This is exactly correct
If we’re gonna make a move for RG3 (and we should), then having Carr to trade gives us something that no other team can offer the Rams; a very good, proven, veteran player.
That’s a big deal when trading with a team that has as many holes as the Rams do.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
No RGIII bandwagoning on this thread!
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Haha my bad
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Also
If Pioli went into free agency and lost Carr with no back up plan or options then people would be crucifying him for that.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
If we lose Carr to FA and get nothing for him, I'll be VERY upset
Of the two, Carr has more trade value than Bowe (with the level of talent in this years FA WR group). He’s the one that needs to be tagged, even if we’re not retaining him.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli is a smart guy
Alot of people don’t give him enough credit because of the glaring “not enough money on big time free agents” argument. But if he’s going to lose someone he’s going to make sure a comp pick is coming. So we wont get nothing.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yup, should be credit toward a 3rd rounder.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
not just ANY guard ... the BEST guy available ... as in THE best talent out there at our pick (if he even IS still there and he COULD go before then VERY easily)
stop underestimating what TOP TALENT can do for a team … and STOP thinking that we DON’T need a top-notch interior on that OLine … we’re HORRENDOUS in short yardage all over the field, not to mention the WORST in Red Zone scoring … dead last
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
It's funny
During October and all the Suck for Luck talk, you were driving the “There is no sure thing” bus regarding Andrew Luck. So Luck isn’t a sure thing, but his RG is an absolute slam duck?
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
do we have to trade up for said RG? no, we don't ...
sure thing? nope, you’re right … NOBODY is a sure thing, not even DeCastro
next?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'd argue Carl Nicks is the best guy available.
And he’s actually done something in the league, unlike DeCastro.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
This
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
no issue with that, Kalo
doubt the Saints let him leave … I’d bet that Brees takes less money to keep that OLine intact
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If he were willing to do that
I’m guessing they’d be done by now. Just my feeling.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
As long as that 2nd rounder isn't Dexter McCluster
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I hate players that give us 800+ yards of offense
And are our second biggest contributors…
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'm no Dex hater, but he was a reach.
Those numbers are more due to our total lack of offensive weapons this year than anything else.
I would have much rather had some help on our horrendous O-line than a luxury pick that, in a decent offense, would only have 5 or 6 touches a game.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 20, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Then use that extra 2nd round pick this year...
package it with your 1st, and next years first….and trade up for RG3
Tag and Trade Carr for 2 2nd rounders
Take those 2nd rounders and trade up into the 1st. Draft DeCastro and Martin/Adams and in one swoop, the OL is taken care of.
by Mitul V. Patel on Feb 20, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Carr is pretty good
there is nothing wrong with him wanting to go somewhere, and be “the man”…these guys dont play for very long, and injuries can end things pre-maturely…he wants to make as much money as he can….i never really get upset that players want to leave, cause we ALL know, that if its in the best interest of the team, the team will dump ANYBODY…
that being said…Routt may be better than Carr….and be cheaper…Routt is
no slouch…just had a bad season
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
This drives me insane
It’s like people want Routt because he’s a shiny new toy…except he isn’t.
Routt is a decent player but not even close to Brandon Carr. This would be a huge downgrade.
Sign CARR!!!
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
You blinded me
with so many points for Carr / against Routt that there’s no way I could argue against that.
/sarcasm off
You blinded me
with so many points for Carr / against Routt that there’s no way I could argue against that.
/sarcasm off
WITH SCIENCE!
Fixed that for you.
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Here's my case
Carr is going to be a top free agent. Is Stanford Routt?
Raider fans WANT him to come to KC…do we want Carr to go to Oakland?
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Rec'd.............
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Routte has the SPEED
Sorry you can do more with Routte than Carr…. With the SPEED Routte can Blitz off the edge and even return punts and kickoffs… He’s worth a little more because he can do more for a team…
Sign them both
I have a feeling that Routts price tag is fairly low. His poor play last year after signing a big contract and getting dumped unceremoniously has surely hurt his value on the market.
by Barranquilla on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
That would put Arenas on the sideline more
And he developed into a very good nickel CB last year.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
And running back.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Haha maybe that's the plan?
Keep Carr, move Arenas to RB to share carries with JC and Dex? :)
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know how much win that has, but it is definitely full of awesome.
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nice
I don’t know how much win that has, but it is definitely full of awesome.
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 20, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
What if Carr doesn't want to be in kc?
This would be the way to handle it. Get leverage on Bowe to not play on a one year deal. Tag Carr and trade to best offer. Bengals have two 1sts and a need right?
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by BJ Kissel on Feb 20, 2012 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Poil has nothing to do with Carr
What if Romeo wants Routte. Romeo has seen Routte twice a year the last 2 years… and Romeo wants and thinks it an upgrade… Romeo is the guy thats made KC D what it is…
In funny O/T and not really Chiefs news
Two weeks into his new job, Todd Haley has still not spoken to Ben Roethlisberger.
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I just read that too.
He’s been too busy checking the Steelers facility for bugs/wire taps
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Now all we need is a picture of Ruth Buzzy
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Reports were than Haley and Roethlisberger sexually harassed the same waitress at a local eatery.
Todd was there with his family the day before Ben was, unfortunately. Missed opportunities…
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Not really...
Players and coaches can’t really talk under the new CBA for another month or so not sure on the actual date. They can say hi and how’s it going, but that’s about it. RAC was asked about Daboll talking with Cassel and other players and stated that is a no no under the new CBA. It might be something if it continued, but as of right now I wouldn’t think to much about it.
Routt is a #2 corner. Carr is a #1 for a good number of teams.
Routt’s best year was straight across from a shutdown corner. Carr’s best year was this past one with little safety help over the top. Routt’s likely going to ask for less money and Carr’s likely going to be the better corner.
There are merits to both, but I’m not going to be a very happy camper if Carr’s next contract is considerably less than Flowers’ and with another team…without the Chiefs collecting something in the way of compensation for Carr. Lots of if’s and but’s left in this equation, even if Routt is signed.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
What proof do we have that Carr is a #1 for a good number of teams though since he's never been a #1?
Not saying he is or isn’t just devils advocate. The Raiders clearly thought Routt was a #1 corner too but were wrong.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
you underestimate how good Carr is, I believe
and what he’s done for us
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
And I think Chiefs fans in general, including myself overvalue Carr
He’s a good player but has always been a #2 guy. He’s worth nearly #1 money to us because he’s probably more valuable to the Chiefs as a #2 then he is to any other team as a #1. In the end if he leaves you’re asking a guy who’s been a #2 CB his whole career to switch fields and defend the best WRs in the game which is a huge question mark if you ask me if he’s able to do that and not a question mark I’m willing to spend 10-11M$ on.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I've thought that Carr was arguably the best #2 CB in the league for a couple years.
Last year, he played more like a #1 for us, and it seemed like Flowers was the #2. In truth, that defense plays #1A and #1B corners. I’ve valued Carr equal to Flowers for awhile now.
And the Raiders needed to sign someone to fill that void after Scrabble left. Since Routt saw the majority of the targets the previous year, they expected him to be able to handle it. However, Scrabble always took the best WR for them, leaving Routt with (typically) a speedster/smaller CB. He was a little bit out of his element last season having to match up against the bigger guys.
Unfortunately, that style doesn’t really fit our cover scheme without us changing some things up.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Errmmm...most of the time?
Point is, teams would switch WR sides occasionally, and we’d match up differently. Scrabble always was manned up against the #1 WR.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I just see Routt as almost the identical player to Carr
Maybe a fraction less of a player but in the end they’re both really good #2 guys who are on the brink of being #1 guys. The difference being Routt has learned his lesson when it comes to being a #1 guy and Carr is likely about to.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
How is what you described Routt/Scrabble any different then our situation?
I agree Carrs effectiveness made our corners look like 1a and 1b but Flowers was doing it against much more difficult competition and with much less help(exibit a. Sabby Piscitelli). On our team I agree he holds great value because it makes it look like 1a and 1b but if Carr wants #1 money then you have to start to question whether its worth it because he isn’t a true #1 guy.
Also Routts best year that earned him the promotion is exactly the type of player that we need across from Flowers and the drop off of from Carr to Routt as #2 guys is probably not worth 3-4M$/year.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
And my argument for anger is focused around Carr getting considerably less than Flowers on another team.
If he goes $11 million, I’m sorry to lose him, but that just sucks for us…unless we leave that cap space sitting unspent.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
There we go
Agreed. Alot has to play out even if we sign him today.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather give Carr Flowers-type money than go out and find someone else at that or higher money
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I don't want to find someone at that amount of money, though.
That’s the point. If we’re paying that, we need to keep Carr…but I don’t want to pay that.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
right, but I think Cass is going to get offers for way high money ... higher than what Flowers is making now
… and I think (or would like to think) that we get a “hometown discount” … re-sign the guy for a bit LESS than “open market” money
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Should be interesting to see what Carr gets now
I’m guessing WAY more than 20 mil over 3 years
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
I would be shocked if we sign routt for anymore then 8.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
6.6 per year to be exact.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
umm
Carr is a #1 for a good number of teams.
you know this how?
That’s what people thought of Routt before the Raiders gave him 50% of the field and said, “Here you go”. Didn’t work out so well.
Well, I’ve thought that Carr was arguably the best #2 CB in the league for a couple years. Last year, he played more like a #1 for us, and it seemed like Flowers was the #2. In truth, that defense plays #1A and #1B corners. I’ve valued Carr equal to Flowers for awhile now.
And the Raiders needed to sign someone to fill that void after Scrabble left. Since Routt saw the majority of the targets the previous year, they expected him to be able to handle it. However, Scrabble always took the best WR for them, leaving Routt with (typically) a speedster/smaller CB. He was a little bit out of his element last season having to match up against the bigger guys.
Unfortunately, that style doesn’t really fit our cover scheme without us changing some things up.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks, GB.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
That still doesn't
prove Carr can play as the #1 CB with all the responsibilities involved…
He's not saying he has proof
He’s saying thats his observation and the reason he believes that. Its fair enough.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
I’m saying that he gets matched up against #1 WR’s often enough and plays a physical bump and run that a lot of teams covet. It’s not like Routt, who was ALWAYS matched up against the #2 WR, so he had little experience with those aforementioned responsibilities.
I’m not saying it will definitively happen, I’m just saying that he’s got a better shot than most #2 CB’s.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Basically
I’m just being picky… but you said Carr IS a #1 for a lot of teams…and frankly, you can’t know until he is put in that situation. Carr has the potential to be a #1… I agree.
Sorry, should I have put "In my opinion" in front of it?
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
you should have said what you said in your last post
I’m just saying that he’s got a better shot than most #2 CB’s
Clearly
Pioli is chasing draft picks so he can package them together and move up for RG3.
Obviously.
I'd be okay with that.
Sign Routt, Sign Carr. Tag and trade Carr. Trade up for RG3?
In the end, Routt is only slightly worse than Carr. Might actually be better paired with Flowers. RG3 gives us our franchise QB. Is RG3 > Carr in the grand scheme?
YES.
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That would be
AWESOME
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
One thought...
I believe Carr will want to have a bidding war for his services. I also think it is possible he wants to go to a team where he is clearly the #1. I think he probably wants to get out of Flowers shadow.
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by groundedchevy on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Here's the scenario I see:
Sign Routt. Tag Carr regardless of Bowe’s status.
WHAT? (I know you were thinking it.)
Baldwin isn’t Bowe… yet… I know. But he is the same skill set. That gives us some leeway to try to sign either Bowe or someone like Colston in FA. Trade Carr for picks. Either move up to get RG3… or draft more talent for the O-line. Win, win, win.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Cole 3rd rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 4th rd, S G. Iloka or DT/NT Hicks 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar or ILB Galippo 6th; FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill; Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Routt
seems more like a Bungle to me. I guess we’ll see.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM CST reply actions
Schefter just announced the Deal is done
Routt is a Chief
by Njohnson816 on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Former Oakland CB Stanford Routt reached agreement with the Kansas City Chiefs
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
You can take it to the bank if it's Schefter
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
oh nooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Carr's not gone yet......
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Not yet.
Fingers crossed for the sign or tag/trade option. I am coming around on the tag/trade plus Dorsey to St. Louis Routt
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 20, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Holy shit.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
phuque!
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Adam Schefter says
Routt has reached agreement with the CHIEFS!
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM CST reply actions
I'll be surprised if Routt is a Chief.
I’ll also be moderately disappointed, but only because I like the idea of keeping our own guys. If they sign Routt, they must have a pretty good idea that they are going to have trouble getting Carr signed. I’ll tell you this, though. If we don’t get Routt AND we lose Carr. I’m not going to be a happy Chiefs fan.
be surprised
it’s done like dinner
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
3 years $20M
Good contract for a 2nd DB.
Well done Scott.
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Be curious to see how much of that is guaranteed.
3rd and 1...guess we'll run the dime. Eesh.
by KaloPhoenix on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Very good deal.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Holy crap... seriously?
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
That's a very good deal
for a good #2 CB.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Admitting ignorance
is this good or bad?
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on what I'm being accused of :)
Seriously, I’m stunned by that contract. At that level you’d assume what, 10 mill guaranteed? Great deal for a good #2 CB
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Good. Very good.
I have a very hard time believing we’d be able to re-sign Carr for just over 6 million per year.
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So it's good contract for Pioli?
And is it really good if it’s eating Carr’s $?
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
This contract probably means that Pioli doesn't expect Carr back.
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Sobering.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
It's not impossible though.
19.6 minus a 4 mil signing bonus leaves Routt with a 5.2 ish per year salary. That’s not so outrageous that we couldn’t keep Carr if we really wanted to. But I wouldn’t put money on it.
I think Carr’s going to sign for at least twice that.
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Why?
I think Carr’s going to sign for at least twice that.
The market was just set for a #2 CB.
Another good thing about this contract.
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure he'll get offers from teams (including ours) to be a #2 corner, but realistically someone is going to sign him to be their #1.
And he’ll get paid like it.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Of course Tampa has a #1 corner already (unless/until he gets locked up).
But they definitely have a need. They also have a rep for being cheap, so we’ll see.
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Or it COULD mean
That they’ve got enough to keep him ( I really doubt it though)
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well, keep him where they want him
In the “we know have leverage over Bowe, can tag/trade Carr” thought process.
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 20, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
3 years/ $19.6 million
$4 million signing bonus. Not trying to correct you, just elaborating on the contract.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Phew
Save that $400K to get Clark a new Bentley.
/ducks
//kidding
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I was merely passing along the info from PFT
by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I understand
I just didn’t want to seem rude. The signing bonus was a new piece of info.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 20, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli created a value contract. So what else is new?
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Any info on exactly how much
Is guaranteed?
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks Brandon.
It’s been real.
Good luck in Cinci
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
He won't be a #1 in Cincy
Washington or Detroit?
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Nope. STL :)
I refuse to let the dream of trading up for a QB die.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking get the draft pick first.
Then package picks, along with Dorsey.
1st, 3rd and Dorsey as well as a conditional 2013 pick. That should be enough for 9 spots no?
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Should be
I figured that there may be some kind of bidding war for that pick, and having a proven player like Carr (and Dorsey, who can stop the run despite other deficiencies) might give us an edge over teams offering only picks.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
I’m not just saying this because I want it to happen, but if you were St. Louis, wouldn’t you rather have a combo of picks and players? Although, you wonder how much Dorsey is truly worth on the market.
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Probably something like a 3rd
He DOES stop the run… and there’s always the whole, “he’s a better fit in a 4-3” argument. Could make some 4-3 team believe he’s worth a 2nd.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Rams do need a CB, a DT, AND a #1 WR.
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LeRon McClain just tweeted:
Not keeping Carr?? RT @JoseHustle: RT @AdamSchefter: Former Oakland CB Stanford Routt reached agreement with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Alright
Time to Sign Bowe and Tag Carr
by Chiefs fan in ST Louis on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
Adam Schefter said the chiefs have agreed to a 3yr 20 mill contract with Routt
This was so 3 minutes ago.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Brad-KC should have signed up for AT&T 4G.
God I hate those ads.
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More Twitter...
@JasonLaCanfora So in all, between the Raiders and Chiefs, Routt will make $9M in the month of March.
So a 4 million dollar signing bonus?
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Thats not bad 16M over 3 years.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
At 6.5M/year its not impossible to think we could keep all three CBs
Especially if Carr and Routt are front loaded.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
True story
I doubt it happens, as Arenas is a decent nickel back. But that’d be a bold move.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Could do it for a year though
Try to trade Carr next year.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Or this year if the right deal is there.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Franchise is a 1 year tender
Can’t tag em’ twice.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Theres no rule against tagging twice.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno about that
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 20, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
There wasn't.
But I think it’s a new rule in the new CBA. I don’t think you’re allowed to tag a player twice anymore.
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Nope, you can tag them as much as you want
Of course if you tag them 3 times in a row it goes to 120% of the top 5 at their position.
Rumor mongering - Arenas did have that injury in the very last game that we've heard very little about.
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it's sad on twitter right now
Everyone is askin @BCarr39 to stay. …..they do seem excited about Routt….just sad about tht though
Maybe Carr should have
signed a 3 year 20 mil deal. He probably want’s a lot more.
He should want more
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
He's absoutely worth more.
Hell, even Routt is very possibly worth more. Though that will depend on how he plays for Romeo next year.
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Don't count out Carr yet
Four good CBs is not a bad thing to have. Or, in this case, one awesome CB, two great CBs, and one good CB.
With our caproom we could keep Carr and Bowe. Spend picks on DE and OL and it could be a competitive year in KC. I’m not going go meatball-homer on you and say “Superbowl Contenders”, but the AFCW isn’t unreasonable at all. I’d love to break the playoff win drought this year.
Sandy Eggos goin down.
by Chief TigerGator on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM CST reply actions
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider
Stanford Routt chose the Chiefs over competing interest/offers from the Bills and Bengals, per a league source.
Yeah, the players really give a crap about cubicle drones being forced to pick up trash.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Look at the divisions.
He gets to play Tebow/Palmer/Rivers 6x per yer.
by craig in calgary on Feb 20, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I blame Carson Palmer...
Palmer told Routt that Cincy sucks… and lets face it. Routt is going to be Palmer’s number one receiver this year.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Thats if he can drop back and pass without fumbling first.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Great deal!
Too risky to pass on Rout and then wait on Carr to decide. We could easily lost out on two solid #2 CBs.
I like the aggressiveness.
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM CST reply actions
At that price it's an easy decision.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
If we also retain Carr: Chiefs DBs > Eagles DBs?
Discuss
Sandy Eggos goin down.
by Chief TigerGator on Feb 20, 2012 12:40 PM CST reply actions
Add Lewis and Berry as safeties and its not even close.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Jalil Brown was good in college…did he get any burn last year?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 20, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't even think of Brown
and really, I was just considering corners. Assuming Berry 2012 is the same as Berry 2010, we blow them out of the water.
Sandy Eggos goin down.
by Chief TigerGator on Feb 20, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I think Brown is a CB. A big, physical one at that
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I wrote that poorly. I know Brown's a CB
I just meant I forgot about Brown when considering CBs AND I wasn’t considering safeties.
Sandy Eggos goin down.
by Chief TigerGator on Feb 20, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
He was pretty good in limited duty
He had a great game matched up against Gronk and Gates. He failed horribly so many times on ST though.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
6.6666666666666666666666666666667 Million
We are going to Hell
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
What's our entire secondary look like if we lose Carr?
CB – Flowers
CB – Routt
Nickel – Arenas
Backups – Brown, Daniels, Washington?
Safety – Berry
Safety – Lewis
Backups – White dude from the Donkeys?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 20, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions
Yep
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else on the team?
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Feb 20, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Daniels is FA
Washington is RFA? I think. Langford might be on the team but might be FA. But nope no one.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 20, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Routt got signed...
3 years, 19.6 million! Wonder what Carr is thinking
Ha!
They could still are going to tag me :)
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 20, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
It's a shame Routt is going to have to pick a new number since '26' is already reserved for Antonio Allen.
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