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When talking about the Kansas City Chiefs in free agency the conversation usually starts with Brandon Carr and Dwayne Bowe, both of whom are scheduled to be free agents. ESPN's John Clayton answered a mailbag question with his theory for the Chiefs "big two" when it comes to free agency:

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"Matt in Kansas City wonders which free agent the Chiefs will retain sooner, Dwayne Bowe or Brandon Carr. Because they paid so much for Brandon Flowers (five years, $52.5 million), it probably will be harder to keep Carr. The strategy would be to get a long-term contract with Bowe, then maybe franchise Carr."
I think the prediction most people have is the opposite of that -- franchise Bowe and sign Carr to a longterm deal. I, for one, think they'll get something done with Carr.

What we know about the Chiefs free agency strategy is that they say they want enough cap space to give them flexibility, keep the home grown talent (i.e. the players drafted by the Chiefs) in Kansas City and reward the right type of people.

Carr makes sense on all those levels. So, based on what the Chiefs have said previously regarding free agency, you have to think they get something done with him. If they don't then count me among those who would be confused by their strategy.

But, before we get worked up about this, let's remember that the Chiefs still have about six weeks to get something done. They're always quiet about this stuff so we don't really know where they stand with both those guys.

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The fact that there were reports that the team was working on a long term extension with Bowes camp, and Haley had been mocking Bowe causing him to complain, makes me think it’s highly likely that Bowe stays in KC, especially with Haley no longer around.

by Topchief1 on Feb 2, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

yah, and if the overall strategy is (and it should be!) to keep our "homegrown talent" then both these guys should get new deals

in theory should be no worries

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I've been predicting this for a while

Bowe gets his long-term deal first, Carr gets the tag if they can’t get a deal done

by stagdsp on Feb 2, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

Carr would not be worth the franchise tag for a Corner

Last year it was around $14 million. In no way is Carr going to get 1-year guaranteed at $14 million.

by Dagda on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

didn't Flowers get about 10?

he and Carr should get about the same, I’m down with that

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

They calculate it different now

It isnt the top 5 highest paid from last year. It is the top player for the last 5 years I believe.

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Feb 2, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you mean by top player?

I think I just didn’t understand the phrasing.

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by mistamic on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, this seems downright wacky.
is formed by determining the franchise tags at that position over the last five years as a percentage of the overall cap figure in each of those five years.

Isn’t that a classical circular formula? Seems like the tag price for a certain position could get outta whack with the actual salaries at that position really fast. And what if you want to franchise, say, a guard, and there haven’t been any other guards franchised in the last five years? Hoping somebody knows because I’m too busy/lazy to look it up myself…..

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Feb 2, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

STOP! USE YOUR FRIGGIN BRAIN HERE PEOPLE.

Brandon Flowers is EXCELLENT in man to man coverage. Brandon Carr is better than average. They both play zone well and can stop the run too. That being said, Carr is NOT worth the franchise tender for his position which I just read was about 10 million. NOT WORTH THAT i’d rather see Jalil Brown step in for 1/10th the price. Now, D.Bowe’s franchise tag is worth 14 million, which would make him the highest paid player on the team and deservedly so. If you can’t get a deal done w/ Bowe you franchise tag him. Carr will never get the franchise tag he’s simply not worth it. I faithfully predict both deals get done within two days of each other. Keep in mind they are both playing each other to see who signs first and for how much. I have heard their agents are driving these deals, NOT THE PLAYERS. GO CHIEFS!

by JUNG_GUNS on Feb 2, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's probably easier to make up for one weak receiver with scheme or complementary players than it is to make up for a weak CB.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Feb 2, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Had a friend say the same thing to me yesterday...

But let me phrase it a little differently and see what you think. Is it easier to:

1) Find some one to go with Flowers, Lewis, and Berry, that would round out a secondary, or

2) Add someone to Breaston and Baldwin to make a top level recieveing core.

Normally I would take CB over WR, but in our case, I have seen what our offense looks like without Bowe. After struggling for year to find a legit #2 WR, I am NOT anxious about starting to find a new #1.

by juvatbull on Feb 2, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

True, we looked horrible without Bowe.

But the times we lost him, we weren’t prepared to be without him.

You can gameplan around a group of receivers because the offense has the initiative 9 times out of 10. Don’t have three good receivers? Fine, put a Gronk/Hernandez out there, or throw Charles the ball. But with a CB, a competent OC and QB are gonna put your weakest guy on an island pretty often no matter who you’ve got surrounding him. Berry and Lewis can’t come over to help out a CB without leaving a pretty obvious hole somewhere else.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Feb 2, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

THE FRANCHISE TAG ISN'T PERMANENT!

The franchise tag is often used to retain the rights to a player which the team is struggling to get a long term deal ironed out. See Tamba Hali. You franchise a player to keep him from the open markets and continue to work on a new contract. Therefore, it isn’t about if the player is worth it at his position. It is about keeping him in town and trying to work out the problem. Besides, it isn’t like we are lacking in Cap space…

by xhornetsx on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the threat of the tag works in their advantage.

Neither player knows who they’re going to use it on so both are forced to at least negotiate in good faith. Carr already knows what it’s like to play on a one year deal and it was obvious he wasn’t thrilled about that and the threat of it happening again might be enough to get him to sign a deal. That works in the Chiefs favor too because I think Carr is definitely the safer pick if you were choosing who you wanted to give a longterm deal too.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Feb 2, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

Also taking it a step further and looking ahead

It’s not impossible that whoever gets tagged this year, could potentially get tagged again next year because other the Albert we don’t have any big losses looming.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Feb 2, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I think part of the new CBA is that you can't tag the same player twice in a row.

A little busy with work atm, so can’t provide a link. But if memory serves (memory failure is always a possibility) – it just can’t be done now.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Feb 2, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

It was discussed but thrown out

Unless a player has it in their contract stating otherwise like Nnamdi and Fitz did, then you can frachise a player as many times as you like.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Feb 2, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

wrong

It is a maximum of two years consecutively. Not as many times as you want.

by xhornetsx on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

YES YOU CAN TAG A PLAYER TWO YEARS IN A ROW.

The Saints are about to do it to Drew Brees if they can’t get a deal.

by JUNG_GUNS on Feb 2, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah they do. Carr knows there is no way they tag him.

According to footballoutsiders, the projected franchise tag is $10+ million.

by Dagda on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if they franchise and trade Carr

I don’t see them picking a CB in the first round. Perhaps the second or third.

Most likely the Chiefs would sign a free agent CB and go with Brown, Flowers and Arenas as their top three CB’s.

Though, I am hopeful that they sign both to long term deals around the start of free agency, after the two sniff around other offers. Both of their deals are going to be huge. Especially Bowe’s, but his down year helps his price a little bit.

Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree it would be a luxury pick, but...

I love having a secondary that can shut down an opponent and give time for the D-Line to get there. If they do somehow let Carr slip through their hands (God forbid), I hope they invest with a high pick to keep a good thing going on the back end of that defense.

by mushin on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

disagree

If the Chiefs are forced into franchise-tagging Carr, they have to consider Kirkpatrick in the first round then repairing the O-line in the second round. Corners of his size and speed are rare. obviously the first choice is get the deal with Carr done.

by TheValleybetterthanPAC12 on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

That's fine

But I don’t foresee a situation where they lose Carr.

I think he is priority number one.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I would like the Kirkpatrick pick.

But would Pioli be willing to overlook his recent mishap?

*Aw come on. Don't leave your Uncle T-Bag hanging. - Dr. Funke
*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.

by mistamic on Feb 2, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends what they think about Brown

Also this draft is decently deep at CB and there are some attractive prospects in rounds 2 and 3

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Feb 2, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Draft includes and is not limited to guys like... Clairborne and Kirkpatrick in 1st.

then… Dennard and Jenkins 1st or 2nd; then Minnifield and Gilmore in 2nd.

then …Johnson (Ia St), Johnson (Mont), Boykin (GA), Banks (MsSt), Judie (A&M) in 3rd.

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by CatChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm

No one even mentioned it yet on this thread.

Or do you mean AP in general?

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn't think about it before

But ads like this could really scare a newbe away for good.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 2, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Or bring them onboard,

All depends on the person at the other end of the keyboard

by mushin on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

true

not that there’s anything wrong with that :-P

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Not anything wrong with it, per say

But if you’re into football, and half naked men with ski masks you may be a rarer breed than most. Power to ya.

by mushin on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

dont forget...

it looks like he is humping a bear….

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

FLAG ON THE PLAY!!!

I actually had to go back and look. Damn you.

by mushin on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Meant that as a Seinfeld reference ;)

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

lol Seinfeld was my immediate thought when I read that.

1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)

by kc_radrh8r on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Very well.

But if I wake up tomorrow and there is a naked man on my AP page…well…then I am just going to have to sue you.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

sounds reasonable...

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Wide View helps a bunch.

Bleedin Red & Gold... and Purple... since 1992.

by chiefs_fan_forever on Feb 2, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

The advertisement content is questionable.

I read this site in my office but this advertisement is too much for a business atmosphere. I know most people are at home or on their cell phones but come on man, you’re killing me with this garbage. Thanks and GO CHIEFS! Love this site for great articles and breaking Chiefs news.

by JUNG_GUNS on Feb 2, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

And just think...

Someone, somewhere got PAID to create that thing.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell, someone somewhere got paid to RIDE the damn thing!

That’s what even crazier.

*Aw come on. Don't leave your Uncle T-Bag hanging. - Dr. Funke
*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.

by mistamic on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Carr has the upper hand here

There are a lot of teams that need help bad at the CB spot so he could leave and get a bid payday.

Bowe is a top ten WR, but he does have the drop issues so I think it will be easier to re-sign him.

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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by KingChief on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

Have to admit

I thought someone hacked into my computer when I first saw the ad,..like gay porn ad or something

by tomachop on Feb 2, 2012 11:41 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

nah, too simple ... we need something much more complicated or we won't have a basis for discussion here

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Reading this thread people are half and half about who

should be franchised and who should be paid. What that really says, me thinks, is that AP actually agrees that both need to be kept. Now how we do the keeping will be the interesting part. And I don’t think we’ll be finding out how for a while.

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

as mentioned by someone above, just bargain in good faith with both of them ... give 'em some money and move on

hate the franchise tag and would not at all like to see it used for either of these guys … it leads to long, drawn out and usually acrimonious sessions that often end up with the player leaving soon

that said, we have plenty of time … we’re all just sitting around wanting SOMETHING to type about, otherwise we’d be bored from the lack of anything actually happening and we’d resort to commenting about ads or something

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

And the day we get into entire non-sequitor threads here on AP, will be the day that multi-nationals get tax breaks here in the US as somehow a way to help the economy…. oh wait… never mind.

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I love my GE coffee maker!

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally I'm a fan of Cuisanart

But of course it really depends on what kinds of grounds you are using.

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Keurig FTW!!

Although I think his reference was more to the fact that GE paid no corporate taxes last year.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

see, those use instant and that's just wrong, as any purist knows

and you call yourself an aficionado!

(correct on the GE reference)

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Cigar and scotch aficionado

When it comes to coffee and women, instant and single use are preferred.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

ha!

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Keurig isn’t instant, like powder or freeze dried coffee… it’s ground coffee packaged in a single-use pod, no?

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by DC_ChiefsFan on Feb 2, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

True

Different definition of “instant”…no portions to worry about, no filters, to measuring water, etc…just pop in the pod, push a button and you have coffee.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 3, 2012 7:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I do not usually endorse idea of Tagging a player. In this case tagging either (CB and WR) the

players come out rosey for them. They will be guarantied about what they are worth with ability to test the market again in a short while. It would be in Chiefs interest to either lock them up now or let them go and grab a replacement now.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Carr is more likely to walk than Bowe

We can pay Bowe #1 wide receiver money because he’s our #1 wide receiver. But Carr’s a #2 cornerback, do you really want to franchise a #2 cornerback? He’ll get paid higher than a #2 cornerback as well. I’d prefer to keep Carr over Bowe but the value for what he’ll likely want to be paid just isn’t there.

by Sam D on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like Bowe but....

If I had to choose, Id rather keep Carr. Bowe has been very inconsistent during his career here.. Has had some MAJOR drops that helped decide games…he makes a spectacular catch, then drops the one that hits him right in the chest…Carr has manned his position well. I like the fact that we have 2 VERY GOOD corners….Since we have Baldwin now, and breaston…we could add another cheaper reciever to fill the hole Bowe leaves and save that money to fill another position

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

Bowe is a top 10 WR.

He’s a better talent than Carr. He can dominate and take over a game. I don’t understand people that fail to realize this. People put too much into a few drops. For every drop he makes, he has 5 amazing catches. The good far outweighs the bad. I don’t want to lose Carr, but Bowe is far more valuable.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year, yes.

This year, not so much.

"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle

by CatChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone agrees that Bowe is top 10

and it’s not about how many drops per se, but more that his drops come in key situations

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by KingChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Not trying to cause an argument but...

I can’t recall these key situations.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

The TD drop in the Raider game this year

TD drop in the Colts game last year. Just a couple examples for you

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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by KingChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Allow me to retort.

The game tying TD catch in the same Raiders game. The absolute beasting in the Colts game this year, one catch could be considered one of the best of the year.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I want Bowe to stay

just saying he does have key situations when he drops the ball

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006

by KingChief on Feb 2, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He has had a few.

People are easy to forget all the plays that he makes to keep us competitive in games with a chance to win. The good outweighs the bad by a wide margin.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Sign Bowe to a long term deal, franchise Carr

Bowe has been much more consistant than Carr throughout his career, let Carr prove himself one more year.

Or friggin sign both, lord knows we have the cap room

by craig in calgary on Feb 2, 2012 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

Bowe consistant??

we totally disagree…..he has improved, but he still has way too many drops…..game changing drops….and its usually the “easy” catches that he has the problem with….i dont mind a drop here and there; it happens….but its WHEN he drops them.

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh stop it

He has the most drops because he sees the most balls.
I’m so tired of hearing about his drops. Every year the WR’s who have the most drops are the best WR’s in the league. It’s just a statistical thing. He doesn’t drop any more or any less balls per attemept than anyone, it’s just confirmation bias.

by craig in calgary on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

We lead the league in drops just 2 years ago

and bowe was the leader on that recieving corp….like i said, he has improved, but, when its 3rd and 8 and your #1 reciever drops a pass that hits him right in the numbers for a first down, it kills the drive, momentum….

Its not a HUGE knock on Bowe….all im saying is Carr has been more consistant than Bowe, and since we dont have much of a pass rush, we NEED 2 good corners more than we need Bowe…especially since we drafted Baldwin in the first round last year…..if you add Moeaki, and Charles back into the mix, it makes NEEDING to pay Bowe a shitload of money less important…its just my opinion

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

**led**...the league...DOH!

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Before this year.

There was a huge push around here to get rid of Carr because he “couldn’t get his head around.” Consistency is not the argument you need to be making. Bowe has also made plenty of catches in clutch situations, and I can’t think of a drop where i thought, “man if Bowe catches that, we win the game.” Like Lee Evans in Baltimore in the AFC championship.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Umm the Raiders game in Arrowhead this year comes to mind

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by KingChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

When he caught the game tying touchdown?

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

The one he dropped before that

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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by KingChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh.

So the one that tied the game when we needed it most can be disregarded.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Not at all

but the dropped one was just as important

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by KingChief on Feb 2, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I would agree.

My thinking is that if you weigh all the good versus the bad, your scale is going to be weighing heavily to one side.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

the 2010 game in Oakland

if Bowe made that third down reception, KC would have run out the clock and the game would have been over, instead, KC loses in OT.

by bansky on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

When Flowers got burned in OT?

We need all new starters… ones that never make a bad play.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

you wrote:

I can’t think of a drop where i thought, "man if Bowe catches that, we win the game." Like Lee Evans in Baltimore in the AFC championship.

you were just given two examples of receptions, if made, would have changed the outcome of the game. you’re just choosing to ignore them.

by bansky on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

The one in Oakland in 2010...

might be comparable. Truthfully, i didn’t recall it. I still wouldn’t compare either to the drop by Lee in the endzone. The bottom line is, neither of those examples warrant discussion on Bowe’s dismissal. He is our number one priority to re-sign. He’s a rare talent and recently has become an extremely polished receiver. Before he got hurt in the last Denver game, he was making Champ Bailey look like a lost rookie.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

i never wrote that it should lead to his dismissal

but you can’t deny that Bowe has had drops that, if made, would have either closed out the game, or put KC in a position to win the game…just like Lee Evans.

by bansky on Feb 2, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

ehhh

I guess the 3rd down catch in Oakland would have closed out that game. There’s no arguing that. My issue is with those who are content with Bowe leaving because of his propensity to drop balls in big situations. While you can draw a few examples like those above, it’s just not as significant as others point it out to be. Still no Lee Evans examples, I’ll stand by that one, damnit.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

you might not think they're significant

but I’m comfortable in thinking that Pioli thinks drops that lead to losses are significant. it’s the difference between top-5 receiver $$$$$ (which I think Bowe wants) and top-10 receiver $$$ (which I think Pioli is offering).

by bansky on Feb 2, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think its significant enough compared to Bowe's body of work

and his importance to the Chiefs offense. Thats the case I’m trying to get across. If you are have to reach back 2 years ago to a game that ended up being meaningless in the final result of our AFC west championship, then i don’t think it’s significant. I won’t speculate on what Pioli thinks or what the contract negotiations entail.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

How about

On the next play, Orton throws it out of the back of the endzone and we get a field goal before half.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

again, this debate isn't about Orton or Flowers

you keep trying to shift the impact of Bowe’s mistakes on other players. the point is…Bowe has had drops that have directly led to losses and Bowe has had drops that have had great significance. these are important things to consider when it comes to his contract.

by bansky on Feb 2, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Again,

none of his drops have directly led to a loss. I was trying to make the point that his drop this year against Oakland didn’t lose us the game. It’s ok to bring up other players, this is a team sport. Bottom line, Bowe has had a greater impact in victories, than he has had in losses. It’s not even close. I will not blame a drop in the second quarter where he was sandwiched between two defenders on the outcome of the game. Especially when he was so vital in the fourth quarter of that game, making great plays. He took over at the end of that game, and we would not have been in it without him.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

the drop last season in Oakland DID lead to a loss

so it’s a team sport when Bowe makes mistakes, but when Lee Evans makes the drop, it’s all on him?

by bansky on Feb 2, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct

Lee Evans was a bum all year for the Ravens. Bowe was KC’s best offensive player in 2011 and maybe 2010. If you are going to continue to have the drop from two years ago in Oakland be your only arguing point, then i guess Bowe did have a crucial drop. Let’s let him walk.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

please, show me where i wrote that KC should let him walk

you’re the one who orignally stated that Bowe never had a drop that cost a game. he did. then you stated his drops haven’t been significant. many have been. these are the things people who are ok with Bowe leaving are thinking about. these things don’t matter to me. i want Bowe on this team. but those negatives can’t be ignored. most people aren’t even saying let him walk. the majority of people i see want him tagged and if needed, traded to move up in the draft to get a franchise QB. i’ve never seen anyone say he should just “walk”.

by bansky on Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Losses are always significant

If the Chiefs go 11-5, they may not have drawn Baltimore for their playoff game, you can’t ignore the importance of some of his drops.

If Bowe hauls in the TD this season, KC would have won the West, been in the playoffs. Those are significant drops.

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by RickDeckard on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't use this reasoning.

What about the 15 Td’s he did have? Whats the Chiefs record without those?

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Cant remember what game it was last year

Bowe had the HUGE TD drop that embarrassed him and then he went on to have a great season after that….

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Colts game

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by KingChief on Feb 2, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Bowe has never even been in a game of that magnitude

to compare it with Lee Evans…

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by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

That's correct.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

If that was your original argument, sure.

But it wasn’t.

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by RickDeckard on Feb 2, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

My argument was....

That if I HAD to choose, I would choose Carr because I think in the long run, he is more important to the team and less expendable….We have Baldwin and Breaston and the 2012 draft coming up…when Moeaki, and Charles return we have a good offensive corp without Bowe….But Flowers and Carr make a very good CB tandem and I dont think you should break that up…IMO Bowe is going to demand big money and those dollars could be spent elsewhere….Carr, only being the second CB…will not demand as much…

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I look at it as...

Our best offensive player this year? It’s hard to pick someone else other than Bowe. There’s an argument between him and Charles in 2010. Maybe you make an argument for Albert this year?
Flowers24 had a fanpost the other day and it asked a few questions with the last one being, “Who’s the best player on the defense?” I didn’t see any responses that had Carr in it.
I love me some Brandon Carr, but Bowe is a critical component to our offense and is hitting his prime. He is a true number 1 receiver that demands the attention of any defense. That’s a hard thing to to acquire and to let go.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't commenting on your statement.

I was commenting on the guy who stated that Bowe hasn’t had drops that have costed KC the game.

Sushi. That's what my ex-wife called me - cold fish.

by RickDeckard on Feb 2, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

you mean "cost KC the game"
costed KC the game.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

really? you’re going to attack a typo? that’s weak.

by bansky on Feb 2, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont bother me none

wen peoples correct mine grammer mistakz.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Later bansky and all others in this Bowe debate

I’m out for the day. I enjoyed our discussion. Nothing personal, just conflicting opinions. Have a good day.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

don't want to choose

we have the cap space lets get a deal done for both.

by tomachop on Feb 2, 2012 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

OK, seriously, the ad for "Delocated" needs to go away.

A guy wearing nothing but a ski mask and his skivies was bad enough just at the top of the page… now it’s on the top, both sides and has an ad in between the front page articles.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 2, 2012 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

agreed!

You beat me to it

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by GaryfromIA on Feb 2, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I know ads pay the bills

but geez,.. if you saw this for the first time on AP….

by tomachop on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know about you guys

But that Delocated ad is starting to upset me.

Also, please keep Bowe and Carr.

Thanks

by Brad-KC on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

don't look at it ... I mean, did you come here to look at ads or did you come to talk football?
that Delocated ad is starting to upset me

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I came for Sexassasin's pics

Which I haven’t seen in a good while. Altho the one from the beer thread will tide me over for now :)

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

you haven't checked the "new logo" thread, have you?

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Its not better than the beer thread

but it certainly has potential.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

The beer thread was good

Even if I"m not a beer drinker… I know gasp… horrors…. ‘You must not have tried the right kind", "here let me ’really’ introduce you to beer.’ Yup heard it all. Sorry. Just dont’ like beer. A good glass of wine, I’m a huge fan of Malbec’s, and I’m all in. Or come the spring, give me a Dark and Stormy. It just cracks me up, that so many folks think cuz I don’t like beer, they are the ones who will correct that flaw. I’m 36. It aint’ happening. And I’m ok with that.

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You probably enjoyed "Sideways"

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

It kinda bored the hell outta me. Don’t make no assumptions just cuz I enjoy my wine. Renting bikes and going from vineyard to vineyard in Mendoza Argentina is as far away from Sideways as you can get.

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Wine tours never made any sense to me

Why mess with the bikes and vineyards and such…just find a local hub, plant yourself down with a plate of cheese and a strong cigars, and let the wine come to you

Let the argentinans bike for thier wine…I’m an American dammit!

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

stop whining!

oh, wait …

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That joke's a real dud.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hah.

Sitting around waiting for the drinks to come to me also is boring. Travelling, making it an experience, meeting beautiful Argentinians along the way. That’s a blast. But hey we can do things differently.

Even though I know I’m right :)

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

If you find the right place

The beautiful Argentinians BRING you the drinks.

Traveling is for tourists.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I came here to talk football

and maybe some cigars/scotch…

but I keep coming across this idiot upamtn…AP should really do something about this because it is starting to upset me

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I know ... dud is like all over the place ... annoying as hell!

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

and Masons has dibs on "imbecile"

we’re running out of appropriate adjectives, but I’m open to suggestions :-)

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well there's always cuzz or brah...

considering tjax ssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuxxxxxxxxxxx :)

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

that hurts, really it does ;-)

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

dud might work

its appropriate, site friendly…“Ups is the AP DUD”…kinda has a ring to it

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

ha! was hoping nobody would pick up on that typo ... should've known better

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't miss much...

…when I’m sober.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

hold on. this event in itself call for a major press release ...

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

At work

when you work 9 hour days, you end up staying sober/hungover for at least some of it

and on that note, its lunch break time! Gotta get rid of this headache.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

much better to never leave our home zipcode. I’d rather go out and explore than be one of those folks who that never learns a different perspective (not saying you are), cuz they never have their own culture and ideals challenged.

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

In the event we Can't keep Carr

I think you have to approach PHI with an offer for DRC

by SillyHatDay on Feb 2, 2012 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

I like your simple ABC approach, but the NFL might pull an FCC or an FBI, then we'll have to resort to CIA and call the FAA for our high-flying offense

besides, who can get thru the DOD that’s going to be as simple as 123 … see what I mean here?

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

PBR me, ASAP

That being said, DRC is a good fallback option

by stagdsp on Feb 2, 2012 12:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

They play completely different styles, I don't see the trade-off.

Carr is big and physical, but has enough quickness that (when he gets his effing HEAD TURNED) he’s highly effective as a “man” corner and as a Cover-2 type.

DRC is primarily a man-coverage corner; his size numbers are similar but his game is not.

Not sure how he’d fit here…I’d see KC drafting a new corner first if they had to. The primary objective: Lock them both up—we have the money, after all.

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by go_saleaumua on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeez....this Delocated ad is freaking me out!!!

Actually, I don’t give a crap. Just figured we needed at least one more comment about it.

It’s easy, if you don’t have Adblock or something of the sort….ignore the ad and read the football stuff. AP has to pay the bills, and I for one am glad to have a great, FREE, website to come to and waste hours of my day.

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by GetRight on Feb 2, 2012 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

well said ... nice that some one GETs it and is RIGHT about it in perspective

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I like what you did there.

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by GetRight on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Upsetting to see that you think someone's OPINION can be RIGHT.

Personally, I usually have AP up on a work laptop while I work on my desktop. I don’t have admin privileges to install ad blockers on the laptop. I also work with a couple of respectable, married females who come in my office to ask me a question every once in awhile.

It is pissing me off.

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by Brsrkr on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

except the part about "wasting hours"

I mean let’s face it, this isn’t wasteful, this is LIFE, right? this feeds our minds and souls … our very essence of existence

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm....maybe "waste" was the wrong word.

It’s almost like I NEED to check AP every 5 minutes. It’s an addiction that makes me much less productive at work.

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by GetRight on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Pioli would NOT be happy to know of this!

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Carr and Bowe

We can’t forget that these players have to WANT to come back to KC. I see both of them wanting to test the free agent waters and see what they can get. I also think Bowe and the Bowe “show” would want a bigger market to play to. So we can throw all the money in the world at either, but if they want to play somewhere else it won’t matter…and we can only franchise one.

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by GetRight on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

Since we dont put as much pressure on the QB as we would like

you need TWO good corners to cover….thus Carr is more important IMO….

Flowers and Carr would have EVEN better numbers if we had a pass rush and they didnt have to cover for 4-7 seconds on just about every passing down….Hali does a good job, but we need more pressure and push from the D Linemen.

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

Houston will be a beast next season

I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t have 10 or more sacks.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Feb 2, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

that remains to be seen...

it took him a loooooong time to start making an impact this year….I hope he picks up where he left off….

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

he'll be fine but only if we pick up a Sumo Wrestler to play NT position

a true 17-gap kinda guy, know what I mean?

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

the NFL has already tried the Sumo Wrestler idea

they also tried the WWF wrestler too.. :-)
Brock Lesnar couldnt make the Vikings squad

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by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

More like he tried them right?

And failed at UFC also – although not as poorly as kimbo slice.

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Failed???

After very little training he beat the Heavyweight Champ….had a couple title defenses and avenged a loss…..for the amount of time he had, i would say he did pretty damn good in the UFC….not to mention he has a disease that damn neared killed him…twice..

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

and he made a SHITLOAD of money

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by KCinAZ on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Granted.

And I’m no real follower, but I feel like his defense (where he lost his title) and his last match, where he retired afterwards, all were over and done with in record time. Not to say I’d ever want to meet him in a back alley.

by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, has anyone seen that Delocated ad?

What’s everybody’s opinion on this?

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by severn58 on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

personally I think Mike Vrabel will retire, but don't hold me to it

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends, if he doesn't like the new logo I could see him staying put for a while longer

But, Peyton should have everything checked out first. Orton>Cassel, Mock Draft, Offensive Coordinator, so on and so forth.

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by severn58 on Feb 2, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

would we need to repaint the bedroom?

perhaps something more “manly” … with a bearskin rug as an accent

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Delocated wall paper, eh. I can dig it.

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by severn58 on Feb 2, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

well, I'm not sold on it yet ... pick up a copy of one of these on the way home and we'll discuss, alright?

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The men who pick these up on their way home

probably enjoy the delocated wallpaper to begin with.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Hard to put my finger on the pulse of the readers regarding this

Since nobody seems to want to address it.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Feb 2, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That, and who our new OC should be. I haven't even heard of any human options yet!

Jesus Christ, why do hillbilly Chiefs fans avoid the hot button issues so?!

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by severn58 on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The real mysteries to me are what people think about the possibility of Manning coming to the Chiefs

And what should be done about the QB position in general.

I just can’t find anything on those topics at all. It’s really frustrating.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Would you rather talk about Tim Tebow?

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Well it'd be nice if the poor guy could actually get some airtime devoted to him

Guy’s working his ass off and he’s still a complete unknown.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

"Uh, do you think it will be Bowe? Because I...I mean, the team...needs Bowe BAD!"
“Matt in Kansas City wonders which free agent the Chiefs will retain sooner, Dwayne Bowe or Brandon Carr.

Let’s call him M. Cassel. No, that’s too obvious. Matt C. Yeah. Matt C. has a question.

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by The Gentry on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahaha!

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Franchise Orton.

Let Bowe and Carr walk.

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by Tarkus on Feb 2, 2012 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

haaaaaaaaaaa!

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by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

that is so stupid,

it is brilliant… they’ll never see it coming

Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Kind of like the 3rd and long draw play.

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by Tarkus on Feb 2, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure EVERYONE saw that coming

this is more like a quick slant to Bowe on first and 10.

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Feb 2, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

One path to a Superbowl

Every team that makes it to the Superbowl has some completely dominating aspect of their team that is leveraged to the maximum. I think the Chiefs have one – the combination of Flowers and Carr on the corners. Plus, they are friends and have developed a sixth sense between them. There is no team with a combination like that, and I believe that Crennel knows how to use them with Berry and Lewis and use the best secondary in football to beat a path to a championship. If Baldwin pans out, our receivers might be close to being upper tier, as well. Having only a decent QB for the foreseeable future indicates to me that Carr will be signed, no question. But having a totally dominant group like the secondary, and two nearly dominant groups like receivers and linebackers tell me that we could be close. Add in Charles, Moeaki and add someone decent at RT, and depth at TE and RB, and I can envision rings in the future. I am sure that Pioli and Crennel know this and are not going to throw that away. I see us signing both Carr and Bowe to long-term deals. You can win divisions with a sound team top-to-bottom, but you have to have one or two completely DOMINANT position groups to win a league championship.

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by Bilyous on Feb 2, 2012 1:46 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I see them

…franchising Bowe and taking their chances with Carr. Carr is good but he may be overpriced in CB market and they may go for a Minnifield or Gilmore in 2nd.

by FrankPitts on Feb 2, 2012 2:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

What we know about the Chiefs free agency strategy is that they say they want enough cap space to give them flexibility

Flexibility to do what? Sit around and count the millions on a Saturday night like Mitt Romney does! Or wait I know, flexibility to buy some high tech spy gadgets!!!!

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

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