The Chiefs And The Tight End Position
by Joel Thorman on Feb 2, 2012 9:49 AM CST
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PrintI always look at the Super Bowl teams and figure out what the Kansas City Chiefs can take from them so that they can be playing in the Super Bowl. We've talked about some of the things both the New York Giants and New England Patriots do well (not to mention those quarterbacks) but there's one area I wanted to look at -- the tight ends.
The Patriots, as you know, have those freak tight ends Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. Since this is a copy-cat league, you know someone will try to take what they've done and copy it.
The Chiefs are halfway there with Tony Moeaki if they wanted to create a dual tight end threat. He's athletic and fast enough to cause problems in the middle of the field like those Patriots tight ends do.
So my question to you: Would you approve of drafting a tight end in, let's say, the second round? Is that too high? Other pressing needs? I can't say I know a whole lot about this year's crop of tight ends -- there's only one Rob Gronkowski, anyway -- but that doesn't really matter. This question is really about the idea in general of utilizing two tight ends like the Pats do. Is that something the Chiefs should consider?
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I would approve of a TE in the 1st or 2nd round
no Question.
Yes, they need to address the OL, but getting another stud TE would REALLY help the offense, and YES, I’d be happy to see the Chiefs use them as NE does
I like Fleener a lot
Don’t think he lasts until our pick in the 2nd.
He is an option if we trade down in the 1st.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
doubt Dwayne Allen drops to our second, but ...
DeCastro, Dwayne Allen, Antonio Allen as our first three picks … hell yeah, wouldn’t care who they got after those three guys
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Love Fleener
But I think Allen is more complete. I wouldn’t be opposed to TWO good TEs in this draft, one like Allen/Fleener that will see a lot of snaps, but also one that gives us a better option than Leonard Slow-as-Shit Pope and the Goon Squad that are KC’s current backups. This is for WHEN Moeaki gets hurt again…not if.
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I think Fleener could be there in the second.
Honestly don’t know if I’d take him there though, he’s not much of a blocker. They could use someone who is a little bigger and a better blocker. Allen would be a better fit and I’d be thrilled if he was there in the second.
hear good things about Orson Charles, too
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Tony G wasn't a good blocker when we drafted him
and he ended up being pretty decent
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True, I actually remember him playing like a fullback/H-back later in his career.
He really evolved as a blocker as his career went on.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know about that.
The knock on Moeaki’s blocking has always been that he’s a decent technical blocker, but doesn’t really move anyone in the run-game. I’ve heard him described as a “shield blocker”, which is a pretty good description. I don’t think that’s really changed from what I read pre-draft on him.
From what I’ve heard on Fleener he shows good effort in blocking, he’s just not great at it. I’d rather get Allen personally, but that’s just my opinion. Think he’d be a better complement to Moeaki.
Said Tony G not TMo
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Ah sorry, missed that.
Though I don’t think Tony G was ever much of a blocker either. Honestly, I think he might have been worse than Moeaki. He showed good effort, but he wasn’t very good. Not terrible, but not good.
The Chiefs absolutely need another TE
not only to run sets with two TEs, but they also need a dependable backup to Tony Mo. Second round might be too high, though. I think they’ll be looking in the third or fourth. Paulson, Koger, or Egnew could all be candidates for a fourth round pick.
You mean..
Like he did the entire 2010 season?
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by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
True, I think his injury bugaboos might be a little overhyped.
But the guy was perpetually injured in college, and now has missed half more than half his games as a pro. And I think this year exposed tight end as a position where we’re seriously lacking depth. Leonard Pope would be an excellent #3, but he’s an iffy #2, a well below average #1, and we have no one worthwhile behind him.
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I don't know about overhyped
I do know that, based on his injury history, I’d feel better if we had a quality backup behind him. Pope is fine as a 3rd string TE, but not quality enough to be the #2.
Who are the Top TE's
Like I understand that you have blocking TE’s and Pass Catching TE’s, but who are the best in the draft right now? and where do they fall as in projected rounds?
Here you go
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_TE
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
so we'd be okay with an early TE
but we turn our heads in disgust to the thought of an early RB?
To me, an early stud back seems to be more vital to a sup-par-quarterback-run offense.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
I think the fact that the FA RB class is deep this year
Makes it a little less undesirable. Also the shelf life for a RB is roughly 2/3 that of a stud TE.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
And our season shelf life w/o JC is shorter than a fish sold at the market.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Because it's easier to find a good RB late than a TE.
Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but you don’t find athletic TE’s who can block in the later rounds.
by polodude017 on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For argument sake, I'll disagree with this (with cause)
I don’t think the reason late round RB’s are flourshing is because they have any more talent than they ever have. I think it’s more of two factors:
1) Teams are building small, quick teams that can cover in a pass-happy NFL. The big bodies at LB and Saftey are becoming less utilized, and RB’s are taking advantage
2) The “new/reused” approach of RB by commitee allows teams to utilize these backs in a much more focused manner. Instead of being work horses, RB’s are being used as situational relief pitchers that get to maximize their skill set more effectively.
But I still agree, if I had to choose, get a TE early and go fishing for a RB late.
Depends... I'd rather see a new QB before we draft the #5 or #6 option on offence
- Charles
- Bowe
- Baldwin or Breaston
- Moeki
- TE#2……… seems high to draft this guy in the 2nd rd with current stable of QBs on the roster
Chiefs need another TE but rd 2 is too high, maybe rd 4. I’d rather sign Nicks as a FA to play LG and trade 1st, 2rd, and next year’s 1st to move up to draft RG3
NO might not be able to afford to keep him
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Pioli should have picked Gronkowski...instead of McCluster.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 2, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
a lot of good TEs in that draft
Jimmy Graham didn’t go until rd 4 I think…Definitely after Moeki and Hernandez went around the same time
Yea
We definItely draft McCluster too high. I’m not hating on McCluster, but for that draft class his ability hasn’t justified his draft position.
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by Scaryclouds on Feb 2, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You could go through the whole draft and list guys they should have taken over McCluster and Arenas.
I didn’t like either pick at the time, but what’s done is done.
On the other hand - if Belichick had picked McCluster he would be a TD machine by now.
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by electriclight on Feb 2, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Probably true.
Though I think that’s more a function of Mr. Brady than Belichik.
If KC had taken Gronk or Jimmy Graham, I’m sure they wouldn’t be even close to the level they have achieved with their respective teams.
True enough
QB’s like Brady and Brees do have that ability to make a player look good, huh?
Hey, maybe the Chiefs should try to get a good QB. Nah!
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
You act like the Chiefs haven't tried to get a good QB...
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Top 12 TE's Here is a good list of some of the best.
1 (43) -7 Clemson
Dwayne Allen
Jr 6’4" 255 #83
2 (55) -3 Stanford
Coby Fleener
Sr 6’6" 250 #82
3 (75) +4 Georgia
Orson Charles
Jr 6’3" 242 #7
4 (93) +4 Missouri
Michael Egnew
Sr 6’5" 242 #82
5 (122) -5 Louisiana-Lafayette
Ladarius Green
Sr 6’6" 230 #89
6 (140) +24 USC
Rhett Ellison
Sr 6’5" 248 #40
7 (153) +52 Michigan
Kevin Koger
Sr 6’4" 256 #86
8 (166) +14 Michigan State
Brian Linthicum
Sr 6’4" 243 #88
9 (176) -24 Oregon
David Paulson
Sr 6’3" 242 #42
10 (185) +5 North Carolina State
George Bryan
Sr 6’5" 267 #84
11 (201) +53 Louisville
Josh Chichester
Sr 6’7" 248 #11
12 (220) -84 LSU
Deangelo Peterson
Sr 6’3" 238 #19
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 10:05 AM CST reply actions
from
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I would add Reliford to that list as a late round selection.
Put him on the PS and see if he turns into the next Graham.
He was 14 on the list
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
nice list, btw
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thanks it's not mine.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I know, I meant that you found it and tossed it up for this thread ... good job
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yaaaaaaay.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
If you look at the Giants though
they go 3 wide with a blocking TE who can somewhat catch in Ballard or Pascoe.
I think to do what NE is doing though is we get a TE who would be a main receiving threat. Gronk can run block and catch which is what TMo does, but we don’t have the other TE who can line up anywhere like Hernandez and create mismatches on anyone.
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Plus the Chiefs need insurance in case Moeaki goes down again...
That is why I wanted Todd Heap in the offseason last year, but oh well.
I’m not sure I want the Chiefs to select a TE in their current draft slots, but if they trade down with Chicago or someone for more picks, then I can see using the extra pick on a high quality TE that can block for Jamaal.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Moeaki is a decent blocker, but he's nothing close to Gronkowski.
Gronkowski is also much bigger than Moeaki. I think Tony is a lot closer to Hernandez than he is to Gronk.
Actually, when you really watch Gronk he's not a dominating blocker or anything.
He’s big and strong, but he whiffs on a lot of blocks.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 2, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
His knock is that he always goes for the big hit.
He doesn’t lock up and really drive. He tries to lower his shoulder and destroy someone, causing him to miss.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 2, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
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Not saying Gronk and TMo are equal skill set for skill set
I’m saying their roles are the same. If it’s a run play, more likely Gronk will be in there instead of Hernandez like TMo is.
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Well obviously, Moeaki is really KC's only decent TE.
If they had a better blocking TE, I’m sure that wouldn’t always be the case.
Moeaki did have quit a few blocks to help get JC those long runs
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he was HUGE for JC
I would put Moeaki up against almost any TE
by stagdsp on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude Moeaki was a pretty damn good blocker last year.
Especially for a rookie. He got more than one ESPN spot talking about his role blocking for us.
by bamachief5558 on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Draft a TE? Sure
1st or 2nd round? No.
I would rather wait until the 4th or 5th round and get Egnew than draft someone like Fleener with the second pick.
by KC_Chiefs on Feb 2, 2012 10:13 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I like Egnew in the 4th. But could see him going in the 3rd if there is a run on TEs.
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Baldwin
Can create similar mismatches. That’s basically what the Patriots are doing with their tight ends, and that is what the NFL is about. We have the skill positions to create mismatches all over the field. Whether you’re using two tight ends, or lets say Baldwin, Bowe, Moeaki, McCluster, Breaston, and Charles, at the end of the day it is about creating favorable match ups against a defense. We have the personnel to do so. We need the proper system, coaching, and QB play in order to exploit it.
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by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 10:14 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
What about Thomas Robinson in the 2nd round?
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 2, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There's a mismatch.
Too bad he’s going to be lottery pick in the NBA draft, or that might be a possibility. Dude is built like a brick house.
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by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he'd be able to dunk the football through the goalposts better than Tony Gonzalez.
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You mean like when San Diego started sticking VJax in the TE spot because the KC safties couldn't cover the middle of the field?
Crazy talk.
Rec’d
And then we said, "Hey, that was kinda neat."
and tried it with Baldwin toward the end of the season…
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I'm pretty sure Baldwin lined up at TE in either his first or second game.
It’s an obvious thing to do…
by bamachief5558 on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be okay getting another TE to pair with Moeaki.
But I’d rather have a speedy wideout. Someone that can stretch the field.
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What is wrong with the three bad ass receivers that we already have?
If we do get another speedy receiver, he better be able to play gunner at a high level.
Is there anyone in the draft like that?
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
i have been mocking Wylie in the 6th/7th
Slot guy w 4.3 speed
by stagdsp on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't really want a TE that high this year
With Charles, Bowe, Baldwin, Moeaki, and Breaston on offense already, In think we just need another backup RB and maybe another shot at a latet round QB.
Too many holes on OL and need a NT, ILB and others we need to be taking a little higher. I am cool with a TE in some later rounds, but I think the other positions are more of a necessity early.
I said this last year like a 100 times.
I really wanted Zach Miller but obviously that wasn’t going to happen. Another FA TE or drafting one would have really helped with ToMo going down. We need a good #2 TE considering his injury issues. Everyone wanted to bring in all these WRs but they forget our QB sucks weiners for breakfast and can’t throw to wideouts not named Bowe. I miss the days of Gonzalez /Dunn. Time to bring in another solid TE that can catch well enough, but more importantly blow up holes for JC and help the tackles in pass blocking. I’m cool with a 2nd or 3rd round TE.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Feb 2, 2012 10:25 AM CST reply actions
Which is why I want Allen. One of the best blocking TE prospects in a while (sometimes ranked as the best since Jim Kleinsasser)
And is a great receiver as well.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I would absolutely love that pick.
And I think Pioli will totally pick him up if he falls to us in the 2nd (which I have my doubts). But that would be legit.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I think the TE from Sea is a FA this offseson
might be worth a look if he makes it back from surgery OK
No, John Carlson
will be an UFA… caught 50+ passes his first two seasons, hurt all of last year I think. They signed Z. Miller to a multi-year deal before the start of this season
That's what I thought.
Seems risky having two injury prone TEs… but I wouldn’t be mad with any attempt to upgrade the position.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
good point, but he played all 16 games his first two seasons and 15 in season 3
missed all of last season so if he’s fully healthy from the injury last year, I wouldn’t classify him in the same category as Moeki who misses games every year
I don't remember Moeaki
missing any games in 2010
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by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think he missed 1 due to a concussion
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according to stats he missed one
and numerous games druing his college career, and 16 games last season…. he had the “injury prone” label entering the draft and hasn’t done anything to disspell that label to this point
Concussions and torn ACL's aren't natural injuries though
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True, but concussions have accumulative effects the more you have
Footballs ’ a contact sport and the more contact the more Moeaki is susceptible to an injury by studying past results
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 2, 2012 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Tearing an ACL and receiving a concusion
do not show me the guy is injury prone. It’s not like his bones are breaking every time he takes a hit. After his rookie year, many around here dispelled the injury myth for Tony M. Then the guy has a freak injury and now he’s the glass man and a bust. The wind changes direction far too much around here.
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by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
No one is saying he's a bust
But to raise concerns over injury issues (freak injuries or not) is legitimate. It is a fact that he was nicked up all the time in college, missed a game in year one and missed an entire season in year two. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding the injury or even the injury itself, the issue becomes time not spent on the field. There is nothing wrong with having quality backups in line to take his spot when he’s injured again.
In accordance with the prophecy
I guess my issue is...
People who claim that he cannot stay healthy because of past injuries. The guy could go on to start the next 100 games of his career without injury. Gronkowski missed his entire senior year of college, and games in other years. Yet people criticize Pioli for taking the “injury prone” Moeaki and passing on the Gronz earlier in the draft.
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by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I hear what you're saying
But it was literally every year of college with an injury of some sort or another. And his NFL career is already full of a LOT of missed time. That is what tags him as injury prone.
I agree, if he goes on for the rest of his career with no more big injuries he can shake that moniker.
In accordance with the prophecy
The injury prone tag comes from when he was in college and was injured all the time
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To me, he looks like a classic case of an injury prone athlete.
His physique looks a little sloppy. I’ll bet that he’s been so athletic his whole life, that he never felt the need to work in the gym much. And that does affect your ability to withstand mechanical injuries like ACL tears and broken wrists.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta go Dwayne Allen, hopefully the second round.
2x the blocker that Fleener is, and not too much of a drop off in receiving. He’s a physical runner after the catch, too. He’s like Gronk 2.0.
But if Allen’s already taken, Fleener’s good too.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 2, 2012 10:25 AM CST reply actions
yes
that’s what I remember about DA from watching some highlights. He is a smooth downhill physical runner.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
No one in this draft is
Gronk is a once every so often type of player.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Alright, well he's as close as we're gonna get.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 2, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I want a tightend that can block.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
We'd be better off (now and future)
spending FA $ and draft picks finishing off our Oline and secondary depth as well as someone to actually compliment JC.
I still think we shouldve taken Rudolph over Baldwin last year.
So i would be ok with another TE drafted fairly early.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I still think we should have taken the Saints rd 1 in 2012 and rd 2 last year instead of Baldwin and drafted Torrey Smith with the Saints rd 2 pick
then we’d have an extra 1st this year to trade up for a QB and have a vertical threat WR that someone requested above insted of a TE.
I’m sure someone is going to say it;s easy to say that now, but I was dumbfounded during the draft when they passed up that trade offer and then ran to the podium to annouce Baldwin’s name
Cobb would have been another good option
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think a big-target WR is much more valuable to Cassel than a smaller speedy WR.
Not trying to knock Cassel, just looking at the guy’s past performance.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I've been talking about this since the Pats started running all these two TE sets last year.
It’s a brilliant way to create mismatches. I wouldn’t force it, but if Allen fell to round 2, I would definitely consider it. Could also look at a guy like Ladarius Green a little later. He needs to add bulk and isn’t much of a blocker yet, but he’s athletic and lengthy.
Don't focus on TE, focus on creating difficult matchups
Whether it’s a WR, TE, or whatever the key to the Patriots success with their TEs has been creating a good matchup. If a player is too fast to be covered by a LB and to big or strong to be covered by a DB then you’re in business regardless of what position they play.
That's what people are missing.
We have those guys on the roster already. It doesn’t have to be from the tight end position.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 2, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
That's why I think Pioli will wait until round 3 or 4 to look for a TE
We need a TE to backup Tony Mo and give us more flexibility in offensive formations. A fourth round pick sounds right for that role.
As long as Tony Gonzalez is still playing
I’ll be pissed if we use a high pick on a TE. Just me personally.
1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)
I'm not hinting at bringing him back
I’m implying that I’d be pissed to use a high pick on a TE when we gave him away. Had we kept him, this wouldn’t even be a discussion. And as much as I like Arenas (who we got with Atlanta’s pick), I’d rather have Tony G. still.
1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)
They didn't give him away, he wanted to leave
Best of luck to him and all that, but this was not KC dumping TG like a piece of garbage. No revisionist history.
It won't matter if we have 2 great TE's
If we have Matt Cassel trying to get them the ball. Its like Having a Super Shiny bad ass car with no Motor.
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
luckily if Sunders is hired he can help explain this to Pioli
He witnessed first hand the struggles Cassel had when the D-line pushed the pocket in on Cassel. Doesn’t help that he migrates to the pressure naturally
The opposite actually
Cassel is much better off having TEs as receivers then a deep threat.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 2, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Absolutely grab a te in the 2nd.
If allen falls to us in the 2nd pull the trigger. Our needs are not that pressing that we couldnt draft value there instead of need if we get decastro in the 1st. If hes not there trade back a few slots get fleener and pick up an extra 3rd. Than grab best ot and best rb.
by ChiefsfaninCO on Feb 2, 2012 11:13 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yes
We do need another TE in a bad way. If we had a pair of those kinds of outlets for a guy like Cassel, I think we’d really see his numbers go through the roof. Not to mention, if we run two TE sets, even if they’re OK blockers, our running game could be friggin scary. We could play more of a short passing game and with the WR’s we do have YAC is already a strong suit.
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I agree.
The only problem with that is if cassels numbers go through the roof hes gonna stick around longer which we dont want. We do need another stud te to pair with moeaki tho.
by ChiefsfaninCO on Feb 2, 2012 11:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Trust me
I’d love to see Cassel go if he’s replaced by somebody good. The bummer IMO is that he’s here at least through next season. With that in mind, I would like to see a TE.
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With that in mind, I would like to see a TE
wouldn’t we all
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Yes we would all like to see that.
Get a new stud te to pair with moeaki and get an even better qb throwing it to him.
by ChiefsfaninCO on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
we're only halfway to the Patriots' combo
if Tony RockyHorror is actually playing. He does seem to be injury prone
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
I wouldn't mind 2nd round but I'd prefer the 3rd round
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 2, 2012 12:00 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Yeah me to.
Id rather get ta’amu in the 2nd and fleener in the 3rd but because of the patriots’ success te’s and gonna get drafted earlier this year.
by ChiefsfaninCO on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, 2nd round isn't too high, as long as Moeaki continues to be injury-prone
Pope is serviceable, but at some point in time the team has to move beyond O’Connell and Becht.
I like Fleener in the 2nd
We might even be able to trade down and get him. He is sized a lot like Gronkowski but I think the surprising thing that people will see is his speed.
Many people think Fleener is the second fastest guy on Stanford’s roster and is deceptively fast. With that in combination of a 6’6" target he’s going to be the next Gronkowski. IMO anyway.
dont forget about evan rodrigez
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Any chance
We could get a decent TE in free agency?
1. Jermichael Finley
2. John Carlson
3. Fred Davis
4. Jacob Tamme
5. Martellus Bennett
6. Kellen Davis
Or do you think these guys would be too expensive?
If we get Peyton
we should sign up Tamme…those guys had great chemistry in 2010. Helped me win a fantasy league….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 2, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
You left off, in no particular order
Joel Dressen
Jim Kleinsasser
Marcedes Lewis
Evan Moore
Greg Olsen
Bo Scaife
Visanthe Shiancoe
No clue how this happened, but this is the deepest TE FA class ever
No. Only if we've given up on Moeaki or Baldwin, or if Bowe leaves.
Don’t spend a second round pick for insurance/complement to a third round pick (Moeaki).
Plus, I personally don’t really like this year’s tight end class as far as the “top level” talent.
And, Pioli’s known as a TE enthusiast. He should/better be able to find a decent one after round 2.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
sad thing is
We could have had both Hernandez and Gronk. But we took McCluster and traded for fragile Tony instead. I was furious when we passed on hernandez so it hurts to watch him tear the league up like he has
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 5:50 PM CST reply actions
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