Mock Draft Thread 2/18/12 - 2/25/12 Rec it guys!

Why does it have to return to Marty Ball with a bigger back?

And what use is a deep threat if we have a QB who can’t get it there?

it looks like it would take

2012: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
2013: 1st, 2nd

If you traded players away to STL or to another team to accumulate picks,
you could essentially trade the 11th overall and tag & trade Carr (with 1st rd value) for RG III.

It’s really much easier to trade up to the 5th overall, if you think he’d still be there. In that case, the 11th overall, trade Dorsey (for 3rd rd value) and KC’s actual 3rd rd pick.

In fact, if you could get RG III with the 5th overall pick, could make some fans’ dreams come true.

Tag and Trade Carr (for 1st rd value) and trade Dorsey (for 3rd rd value).
You could essentially move up to #5 overall with #11+Dorsey+2012 3rd….and still have the 2012 1st from Carr to draft that stud LG (DeCastro) or RT (fill in the blank).

In that scenario, I think you’d want to know you have replacement level guys ready already on the roster or acquired in FA.

But right now, its just a lot of postulating. For instance, does Dallas have interest in Carr? Would they trade their 1st (14th overall) for him? How about the Jets? I believe Cromartie is on his way out. Carr looked great next to Flowers, how about Revis-island? The Jets have the 16th overall. Would they do it? Would Pioli do it? Who knows.

It’s all speculative and it helps me procrastinate from doing grad school homework….

couldn’t possibly be re-signing Orton or signing Campbell, or Stanzi winning the job.

Even right now I don’t see him escaping the top 20, they can’t teach his size or athleticism.

I think Thomas could coach him up to be great. And he would really be our backup outside corner and third safety in my draft. I like him manning up the bigger receivers with route and he is great at press coverage which i love.

A lotta good players lookin’ to drop, for various reasons. Pioli’s pretty good at picking value where others aren’t picking.

I’m just suspicious of putting much weight into the combine. I still trust the eyes of the guys who see them play, live and on film. This is something Jerry Jones said during Senior Bowl week that’s sticking with me. Your spy-network scouts, doing due diligence all year long, if they’re any good at their jobs, ought to carry the most weight in your draft decisions. Knowing how they play, week in and week out, and how they handle themselves as men, with a little inexpensive asking-around, counts for more than running around in shorts after a month of training to run around in shorts.

A guy can have a great day, and run the 40 faster than he ever did, before, or ever will again, or (Brandon Flowers) can have a bad day, and his overall rating shove him to the bottom of the spreadsheet, because the sum of the columns is dragged down by the weak rating in the speed column. Anybody who watched Jerry Rice knew he was a beast, but he sucked at the combine.

I think the outfits whose ratings change significantly after the combine aren’t doing their due diligence or trusting the guys who are supposed to be doing their due diligence. The kinds of things I look for might show up in a cone drill that everyone else thought he failed, but I’m impressed by the tumbling move he made to recover from a spill he made, that killed his time. Those times are pretty arbitray. Jerry Rice might put in a poor time against the clock, but somehow he’d always win when he faced another man.

You have to focus on 1 big need at a time in the draft. Get 2-3 quality beef picks and then some other nice picks. Eventually it will be AO stacked that we won’t have to worry about taking a RB in the first round cuz we will be picking 32 over all

The way i see it, Hudson and Konz can both play LG and C. So let them both duke it out at both spots and decide that way. But really Konz is ideal size to play guard and is a great guard prospect. Hudson is better suited for center and is a great center prospect.

Konz can also Play guard.

His value is around a late first rounder in my mind. You could argue for 2 second’s and a 4th or something but i would rather just take our first rounder and move on. You are way overvaluing a hometown player. Try being objective and realizing that a team is trading for a player that has shown flashes of being a pro bowl player but hasn’t reached that level. He has never done it without a great corner opposite him and he hasn’t shut his side of the field down. He has done very well in one season but you are acting like he is a for sure shutdown corner when he is a great number 2 with shutdown corner potential.

You’re looking at it all upside-down.

Heh.

I personally don’t like the tag-and-trade for Carr. It’d take a serious difference of opinion between mgmt and player. But if he’s gonna walk, otherwise, I’d sure try to salvage draft picks out of his loss.

I’m OK with trading veteran DBs for draft picks, but it’s something I’d only want to do if my prior picks at DB made the veteran at least semi-expendable. The Chiefs are a year and another successful DB pick/project away from that. It’d take a helluva lot more pass rush than they now have, to get where I was very comfortable with Jalil Brown or Travis Daniels starting at RCB, based on what I’ve seen, to date.

If Carr DID get traded away, the Chiefs could then trade up a few spots to get Konz, with that late 1st, plus some other compensation. But we might be surprised at how far Konz or Glenn slip, depending on how the rest of the league assesses their needs.

But I’m not stuck on just one of Glenn, Konz or Decastro in the 1st. I’d like to take a closer look at that Troutman guy, for instance.

and guaranteeing extending our streak of no sb’s another 3-5 years

just stab me in the face repeatedly with an ice pick instead Ups. Geez, I know you want DeCastro, but didn’t think you wanted to go there! I see… in the future…. 9-7, 10-6, 7-9, 9-7, 10-6, 7-9, 9-7,10-6,7-9.

What if there’s a feeding frenzy @ WR, and some teams take themselves out of the race at other position groups, as a result? It kinda depends on what the rest of the league does. If there’s a strong trend, the contrarian might do himself more good somewhere else, rather than taking the 6th-best when everybody else has nabbed #s 1 thru 5 out from under you.

Pioli likes safe with his 1st rounders. Lower Ceilings with higher floors (exc Berry)

Most teams in the league run a 4-3.

I don’t think Martin or Reiff are going to be as good as Adams and I don’t like the prospects available at 11 unless Dre or Claiborne slip.

He’s a finesse tackle, I’ve never heard of one of those playing RT.

than in 1st round trades

pick number 31 is a first round pick it isn’t basically a second. And you are arguing the trade value chart which has been shown to be an out dated standard that we as fans use. I am trading carr after franchising him and signing Routt. You expect the moon for a player that has had one good season and has potential. Not even one great season. Remember before this year he couldn’t get his head around and he couldn’t catch a damn thing. How much of that is Emmitt Thomas? How much is comfort in the system? A team has to think about more than just talent level when trading for a player. Carr will be in demand but not at a price you are suggesting. You are valuing him as being worth what? A top 15 pick in the first round? No way the Chiefs get that kind of value for him. You are expecting a mid 20’s 1st, 2nd, and a future 2nd i assume? This isn’t Madden and teams don’t overpay for no reason.