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Kansas City=Elite Defense?

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What are a few words you would use to describe this season? Because I have a few.

Unfortunate. The first few weeks of the season, everyone would agree with this. Three of our star players went down with season-ending injuries, and we got destroyed in our first 3 games. Honestly, it was depressing and we were all looking forward to Luck. But Kansas City was not done yet.

Hopeful. After the shitty start to the season, we won 4 straight. Including a glorious comeback versus Indy, a blowout in Oakland, and a miracle in San Diego. But after a few bad losses against Miami, Denver, and New England. But we are not afraid! After a bad loss to Pittsburgh (the one that got away, but Palko threw it away) and a bad loss to New York (just a bad game overall), we dominated Chicago with a suffocating defense. But still, none of us would have truly believed that we would've been the team to shut down Green Bay. But we were. This gave us all hope to make the playoffs. But a heart-breaking loss against Oakland shattered it. Buffalo and Detroit held up their ends, we just couldn't follow through.

Adaption/Transformation. Last year, we were a solely offensive team. The offense was dominating, but defense was pretty weak aside from a certain few. This year with almost all of the offensive players that really produced on IR, the Chiefs were either going to adapt or give up all hope and Suck for Luck. So, after the offense couldn't get on the board after Matt went down (C'mon Cassel haters, admit it. Cassel is 50x better than Palko, at least he could get in the endzone) and the Tyler Palko era started, the defense stepped their game up. After the New England game (aside from the Jets), the defense became arguably the best in the league. But despite the incredible defensive performances, it never occurred to me that we became a defensive team until the second Oakland game. During pregame, the commentator (I forget who it was) said "Kansas City is a shut-down defensive team, a hard-hitting, physical team. The kind of team Oakland really has problems with." And it then occurred to me, "Yeah, we really are!"

I remember going to Silver and Black Pride right after the game to congratulate them, and they said many times that they couldn't establish a ground game because our defense was being too physical. That, was entirely true.

That's also how we brutalized Green Bay. Green Bay is a finesse team that likes to go around the real aspects of football and cheat by running real fast and catching balls. They weren't expecting Kansas City to go out there and really bully them. The defensive backs were harassing the receivers to a point that they didn't want to even catch the ball because they knew as soon as they grabbed it they would be drilled. And the front seven was being way too smart and aggressive for Rodgers to get any time in the pocket or for them to establish any sort of running game.

But are a few good games at the end of the season truly enough to make us elite? After Berry (who was arguably our best defender) was lost, I feel like our defense was straight-up demoralized. But then came the emergence of Derrick Johnson (who could be called the best linebacker in the league besides Patrick Willis) Justin Houston, Tyson Jackson, Brandon Carr and Kendrick Lewis. When they all came together along with former greats like Hali and Flowers, it was a thing of beauty. So I think if we can carry on that defensive swagger onto next year, we will easily be a force to be reckoned with (and we'll need it facing the AFC North next year). So, without further ado, BREAKDOWN TIME!

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NT: Kelly Gregg was a pretty good player this year. Nothing extraordinary, but he got the job done in run support up the gut and and even got a sack. But he's an old veteran and will most assuredly be retiring this year or he'll just be dropped in favor of a younger guy... like Paul Soliai. A massive, 6'4 360 pound NT who was a Pro Bowl alternate and will most probably be a free agent this year. Powe will be entering his second year with no playing time, and could use a guy to help him out and learn from (obviously his second job behind goalline fullback). If we can get Soliai or Powe can step his game up, I give NT a THUMBS UP.

DE: This is the thing the Oakland fans kept bringing up. They kept talking about how Dorsey and Jackson were out-doing the guards of Oakland with just pure physicality. That is quite the accomplishment, because you don't get much more physical than Oakland, anywhere really but especially up front. And really, they weren't far off. T-Jax, as fat and lazy and terrible at getting sacks as he may be(all hail Skitzo), he is a great run-stuffer and very strong. He oftentimes commands double-teams, leaving Houston wide open for the tackle. Dorsey is a bit more finesse and not so barbaric in his game, but his run-coverage is very good for a 3-4 defensive end. Right now, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to getting a big and still very athletic defensive end/tackle like Shaun Rogers who is an older, All-Pro guy with still some great ability and can help develope Powe/Dorsey/Bailey. THUMBS UP.

OLB: All the best 3-4 teams have a dynamic pass-rushing combo off the edge. Steelers have Harrison and Woodley, Baltimore has Suggs and Johnson, Cowboys have Ware and Spencer. We have that already, for the most part. Hali is a certified animal as anyone in Kansas City will tell you that he's arguably a top 3 pass-rusher in the league, and when RAC finally decided to let Houston go to work and blitz the QB he actually got some sacks and a lot of pressure. Also, he's arguably better than Hali at run support. Any offense will tell you, running at T-Jax and Houston is a LOT harder than running at Dorsey and Hali. THUMBS UP.

ILB: I always wanted, through all the years for Kansas City to get an elite linebacker just because I'm a just an old school (or just very sadistic) football guy who likes to see big hits and overall carnage. DJ always had the potential through all the years, and it was noticeable. I remember watching a lot of times when he would time the snap count perfectly, jump right through an open gap and due to his lack of maturity forget to break down and miss the tackle completely. However, disruption has always been DJ's thing, and just screwing the play up hardcore can really be almost as valuable as the actual tackle.

But, just like the rest of the defense Derrick finally lived up to expectations and became the linebacker that we were all expecting since he came out of college. Whether it was his 2 interceptions, his devastating hits, his perfect form tackles, his 4 straight stops on the 1 yard line versus Oakland Week 7, his 3 (I believe) forced fumbles (what a thing of beauty, I might add. The ball carrier thinks DJ is attempting a weak arm tackle, but little does he really know Derrick is cocking back his other hand to knock the unprotected ball loose) or his uncanny and very unique ability to dive under a blocker and take out the ball carrier behind him, Derrick won all of our hearts. He's been irreplaceable this season.

But the other half of the ILB equation was little Jovan Belcher, who I personally consider underrated. Maybe it's just the neckroll (I'll be honest, neckrolls are badass. Any player who wears a neckroll automatically becomes 10x cooler. I began to notice Alstott as a child merely because of his neckroll), but I think Belcher is a fine starter. He may be just 230 pounds, but he plays like a giant. His coverage skills are lacking, but his form and ferocity at the point of attack in the run game are second to none. I first really saw him explode during the Chicago game (a good game for all of our linebackers) when he had a seemingly unimpressive 7 tackles but really he was all around the ball. One particular play in general stuck out to me. Marion Barber had a seemingly huge hole in the 4th quarter and Chicago fans saw it and started hollering and cheering and all that nonsense, but in a heartbeat Jovan was there with a helmet planted in Barber's chestplate. Despite Barber's attempts to stay upright (and you know how Barber is, he's not going down easy. Especially to a shrimp like Belcher), Belcher just lifted him off his feet and into the turf, and Soldier Field got dead quiet. Many have called for Belcher to be replaced (by Kuchely, Burfict, Hightower, or D'Qwell Jackson. Couldn't disagree with Jackson, however), and I think that's malarkey, he's just fine. THUMBS UP.

CB: Not much bad to say here. Flowers, Carr and even Arenas are all fine cover/elite guys and good tacklers. I mean, we have arguably the best CB core in the league. THUMBS UP.

S: Aside from depth, we got this pretty much covered. Kendrick has had a very good season, he's a great cover guy with a few INT's and his own forced fumble on Tebow. He'll be FS next year and of course our big hitting safety Eric Berry will be back at SS. Jon McGraw's ok, but otherwise we need some viable backups. For the most part, THUMBS UP.


So, the ongoing question.

Do we have before us an elite defense? I can't help but say yes (not like I'm biased or anything). I mean, take a look.

Run up the gut... DJ, Belcher, Jackson, Dorsey/Rogers/Bailey and Soliai/Powe think that's a cute attempt.

Run to the outside... Dorsey and T-Jax are taking up blockers while Hali, Houston, DJ and Belcher are all over your RB and making the tackle.

Pass over the middle... I'm sorry for the season-ending hit Berry or Johnson will dish out to your receiver.

Short pass... Flowers, Carr, Berry and Lewis are already on top of the ball carrier.

Going deep... Hali and Houston are putting pressure on your QB while you can only hope to lob it up, and get picked off or swatted down.

Thoughts?

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Does Kansas City have an elite defense/they can assemble an elite defense this offseason?
Yes.
183 votes
No.
19 votes

202 votes | Poll has closed

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Voted No

I think we are one or two starters away. However, I think we greatly lack depth at a lot of positions. Can’t be elite until your reserves can step in without a hitch.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

I voted the same

and for the same reasons.

I don’t know how the Safety position got a “thumbs up” for this season. And Johnson was the sole reason for a slight “thumbs up” (IMO) for ILB.

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by SCKSChief on Feb 15, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about that

You can’t expect a reserve to come in for Hali “without a hitch”

There’s a reason star players are star players. (although I agree with you that we need more depth).

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Feb 15, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe "without a hitch" is a bit much

but certainly the difference doesn’t need to be the Continental Divide either.

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by SCKSChief on Feb 15, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Fixed
Can’t be elite until your reserves can step in without a hitch and effectively contribute.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 15, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Now this I can agree with

You should be able to bring in a guy that is not terrible.

Asking for more would be to ignore the simple truth that they aren’t 32 players in the league capable of being good starters at any position.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 16, 2012 6:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree to a point

But it depends on who is getting replaced. If it’s a guy like Hali, Berry, or JC, the difference is going to be vast.

There aren’t 10 players in the league as good as those guys, and most teams STARTERS are a significant drop-off. To expect our subs to be anything but an incredible dip from star players is just too much.

Now, they shouldn’t be TERRIBLE… and we saw too much of that.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Feb 16, 2012 6:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Look at our team as a whole, including the offense

There really aren’t many starters that need replacing or upgrading.

Matt Cassel is the obvious
Barry Richardson is the obvious lite
Wiegmann is likely to retire and hand over the reigns to Hudson
Maybe Belcher could use a bit of an upgrade, but not really, but we also have Siler
Same for Lilja
Maybe Kendrick Lewis
I really can’t think of anyone else on the starting lineup that needs replacing (assuming all of our current starters are re-signed and come back healthy. Far cry from 3rd years ago.

We definitely need to upgrade our depth, but I’m entirely content with 95% of the starters.

So that tells me we have the luxury of taking BPA in the draft at every pick

OR

We package picks and move up to get the most important upgrade at QB.

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Belcher had one good game all year, Chicago, coincidentally they have a horrible offensive line, lost their RB during the game, and were playing a turrible back-up QB.

I’ve had hopes but he doesn’t have great instincts, his hesitancy to hit the hole has killed us time and time again, and he doesn’t shed blocks very well. His pass defense is non-existant and he’s taken out of the game on passing downs because of it.

I want to target Emmanuel Acho out of Texas, former Texan DJ will love it and can teach him the ropes with Gibbs, great instincts, long-armed and a solid athletic talent. May need to put on more weight, but was routinely taking on blocks and shedding them at Texas. Is also a solid pass coverage guy, and it seems he shares his smarts with his brother Sam who came off a good year in AZ at 3-4 OLB.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 15, 2012 1:05 AM CST reply actions  

Not really

That line is just bad on multiple levels, that offense without Cutler or Forte was nearly as bad as it gets outside of the Chiefs and Colts.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 15, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking you be crazy

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

why?

what would be wrong with:
FA- OG Nicks, TE Jacob Tamme, RB Ben jarvus green-ellis, and an OT
Draft-1st Dontari poe, 2nd Hightower or Burfict, maybe trade back in the first or trade dorsey and pick up someone like ta’amu or crick, then put the rest of the picks towards seconday depth

by tyson_jackson who? on Feb 15, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Thought about you yesterday when I had lunch. The drink machine had Pibb Xtra

I had no idea such a thing existed.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Feb 15, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the more extreme version of Mr. Pibb,

After he went through a midlife crisis, bought a sports car, got a divorce and started grinding on college girls in nightclubs.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 15, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

That was when they removed

the “Mr.” from the name.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley

by Aiken_Drum on Feb 15, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

He HE

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
" I believe you have to be a glass half full person in this league, you really do."--Todd Haley

by Aiken_Drum on Feb 15, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

Why you gotta tell everyone my story?? Just because you ommit my name and replace it with Pibb dont make it right

**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**

by BDCinSA on Feb 15, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

NN, absolutely brilliant analysis, two thumbs up on a great read!

agree 1,000,000% on Soliai but not sure about Rogers (I’m hoping Bailey energes this year in terms of run tackling, but if not we still have Dorsey while Bailey (a rookie last year) continues to learn and improve)

honestly, get Carr back in the fold, grab Soliai and I think we’re good to go on the road to a Top 5 Defense (I’m also wanting Antonio Allen in the 3rd Round for more DB depth)

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by upamtn on Feb 15, 2012 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

This defense is a corner (Carr or another good CB) and a Nose Tackle away form being very good.

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by saskwatch on Feb 15, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

that's what I said ... to quote myself:
get Carr back in the fold, grab Soliai and I think we’re good to go on the road to a Top 5 Defense

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 15, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but if I re-write it, than i can take the credit for it. :)

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by saskwatch on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

would you want

Routt + Solai or Carr?

Hypothetically.

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Feb 15, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I would take Solai and Grimes or Finnegan.

The Nose tackle is more important that #2 corner in this defense.

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by saskwatch on Feb 15, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I would rather have Carr or Routt, but just saying that the nose is more important.

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by saskwatch on Feb 15, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree
  1. CB plays every snap. NT plays half that.

A few years ago even with that ratio I’d say sure, NT is more important. But in today’s league? I’d call them even.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

That said

I’d take Soliai and Grimes or Routt over Carr by himself.

Soliai is such a massive upgrade, and those guys, while lesser players, aren’t THAT much worse than Carr

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Feb 15, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I like this also

A NT and a CB vs one CB is a no-brainer to me.

In accordance with the prophecy
I am the 1%

by SCKSChief on Feb 15, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

All things being relatively equal, 2 > 1

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Feb 16, 2012 6:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Bailey impressed me a lot this year.

He’s easily the most athletic DE we have. He always seems to be getting a tackle in the backfield or sack when he’s in.
This is fun to watch…
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by NigerianNightmare on Feb 15, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes. Yes I do think this defense can be elite. I'll show you why:

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 15, 2012 2:04 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

That game

Was awesome

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Feb 16, 2012 6:11 AM CST up reply actions  

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