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Former Raiders Cornerback Stanford Routt, who was released a few days ago, Visited with the Chiefs today. He is an above average CB, and started with the Raiders the past 2 years. He racked up 4 interceptions, and 49 tackles, and he is 28 years old, 3 years older than Brandon Carr, who is also going to be a free agent, if not re-signed. Many of you may think that this means that Brandon Carr may not be back in 2012, but I'm going to give my 2 cents on what I think about this little visit the Chiefs and Routt had.

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Here are all of the Chiefs Cornerbacks, listed asy they are on the depth chart:

1. Brandon Flowers- 59 tackles, 4 interceptions

2. Brandon Carr- 45 tackles, 4 interceptions

3. Javier Arenas- 33 tackles, 2 interceptions

4. Travis Daniels- 14 tackles, 2 interceptions

5. Jalil Brown- 8 tackles, 0 interceptions

Brown, who was a 4th round draft pick last year, had very limited playing time, and didn't really have a chance to show what he's got. Travis Daniels, who plays good in the nickel, also didn't play too much, but when he did, he was good in coverage, and also got to the cornerback quite a bit. His contract is up, and I think it'd be smart to bring him back, and have his veteran presence in our young secondary. Arenas, who will enter his 3rd year in the 2012-2013 season, struggled in coverage, and was constantly picked on throughout the year. He's a very good kick and punt returner, and it's safe to say his job isn't in jeopardy, but he may be replaced, or moved down a spot on the depth chart. Carr, who' had the best season of his career this past year, his contract is up and is one of the most vital parts of the Chiefs defense. He has to be brought back, and then there is Brandon Flowers who was pretty consistent, and is playing very well, and his starting role is definitely locked up, because HE himself is locked up for 5 years on a long term contract.

Now, this brings in the main topic of our conversation, Stanford Routt visiting the Chiefs today. He has practically the same exact stats as Carr, and is 3 years older.

To me, Routt would be a HUGE addition to our defense, only if Carr was also retained. The thing is, Routt isn't looking to be the #3 CB on a roster, he probably looks at himself at least as a #2, which he won't be if Carr is retained. Myself, I would definitly want Carr, instead of Routt, because he is younger, is more familiar with our defense, and has always been a Chief, so he should stay a Chief. But that's just me.

If Brandon Carr is released, then yes, Routt would be a great pickup, because he's probably the best cornerback out there in free agency that Scott Pioli would look at. The way I look at this, is that they did the visit for sort of like "insurance" if they can't make a deal with Brandon Carr. Because Carr is younger, will have more upside, and they probably want to keep their talent in-house. If they were to make a deal with Carr and Routt, the Chiefs defense would be unstoppable. They would have three starters, at cornerback, and then Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis at safety. The Chiefs would be set up with a great secondary for the long-term, and honestly, their passing defense would be incredible. But let's be realistic, I don't think Routt would want to be a #3, unless he is offered an abnormally large amount of Money.

If I'm the Chiefs, I would first handle the most important player, Brandon Carr. If he is re-signed, and Routt is still on the market, then yes, we should try to get him, but not get too carried away in a bidding war. If we can't sign Brandon Carr, then Pioli should be in a real hurry to try to sign Routt, or Brent Grimes, or Cortland Finnegan, because I don't think Arenas is ready for a starting role. We can't let the Chiefs lose the best player they have at their strongest position, and the only way it should change, if it was getting stronger by re-signing Carr and then Signing Routt, or somebody else in free agency.

So, this wasn't a real in depth article, it was just what I thought about the Stanford Routt-Chiefs visit. But what do you think? Should we leave Routt Alone? Sign Carr? Sign Both? Sign Neither? Oh, how I love free agency talk! Comment, Recommend, and Vote in the poll! Most Importantly, Go Chiefs!

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How would, you approach this situation with Brandon Carr and Stanford Routt, if you were Scott Pioli?
Re-sign Brandon Carr, Don't mess with Stanford Routt
171 votes
Re-sign Brandon Carr, and Sign Stanford Routt
168 votes
Don't Re-sign Brandon Carr, Sign Stanford Routt
15 votes
Don't sign either of them!
3 votes
Don't sign either, pick up someone else during the off season.
1 votes

358 votes | Poll has closed

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You know the stats you put up about routt being so very similar to carr,

I thought you was going somewhere else with this post when you started. With the stats you put up where even though routt had slightly better tackles, same ints as carr, the stats was almost the same.

point is, maybe, just maybe they are using routt as a judging tool to work with carr more, maybe bring either pioli or carr down to earth in negotiations, possible both. Seeing what routt is wanting or realistic to him could be the kind of deal pioli is going to offer carr and if carr doesnt take it, routt it is.

by kc-twitch on Feb 14, 2012 8:15 PM CST reply actions  

that makes sense

I don’t think Carr is going to set a new bar at CB pay.

at least as far as the Chiefs are concerned Flowers is the bar and if Carr wants more than that we can draft another youngster from whatever State U and be sorta alright

by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Arenas is underrated

He’s coming into his own, shut down Wes Welker. His skills are perfect for the nickel and he’s developing nicely.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 14, 2012 8:15 PM CST reply actions  

one big

issue is that he used as return man and the occassional offense. Can he take that abuse.

by ForeverRanger91 on Feb 14, 2012 8:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

No

Which is why we should target a KR/PR in the draft.

I certainly don’t trust McCluster with that duty.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

cmon man

I sorta agree but it took two 2nd round picks to solidify that return game

by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he is but why take that risk if he's not? he still struggled a lot

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Not nearly as much as people think around here

QB’s had a 59.9 passer rating when throwing at him, lower than Flowers or Carr and good for 11th best in the league.

Dude was an excellent nickel corner, it’s just not recognized because people don’t know how to figure out a CB’s production level and go off of what everyone else is saying.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 16, 2012 6:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Routt isn't being brought in because of Carr...

All of sports talk thinks that Routt is brought in to motivate Carr to sign with the Chiefs. I think this couldn’t be further from the truth. I think this is done to motivate Bowe to sign a deal. Sound crazy? Think about it. If Bowe thinks the Chiefs are going to sign Routt, then he knows the Chiefs won’t use the franchise tag on Carr. Leaving only Bowe for the franchise tag. He won’t want to be on a one year deal (incase of injury) and will be motivated to sign a more friendly long term deal. If you want to sign Bowe, you do everything to make him think he’s getting tagged.

by Wizeguy on Feb 14, 2012 8:24 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Wizeguy, that's exactly what it is ...

… unless it isn’t

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by upamtn on Feb 14, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

It's an interesting thought

But you’d think Bowe and Carr would talk, and their agents would also talk. Info is power in a negotiation.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

In this scenario...

It wouldn’t matter if Bowe or Carr talked. Routt could think an offer is close. Carr could think he’s heading to free agency, and at the last minute get franchised. Bowe could think he was going to get franchised if he didn’t act ahead of free agency.

by Wizeguy on Feb 14, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

And they could be ablwe to give Le'ron macclain the franchise tag too

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 15, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Or, ecven Belcher. Tag's get used on guys like him once in a while

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 15, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Mims already got the franchise tag...

I think they already had to tag him for 2013, too…

sooner or later, God'll cut you down...

by nmchief on Feb 15, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Doubtful.

Bowe can get big money from any team looking for a WR. He has been constantly referred to as the top WR in a strong Free Agent market.

Remember that movie where Tom Cruise played an agent representing a talented WR? Yeah, same scenario. Want Bowe in KC? Show him the money.

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by citadelchief on Feb 15, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, we're under the cap right?

If we could bribe Routt with enough money, im sure he would be the #3 corner

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Feb 14, 2012 8:53 PM CST reply actions  

Any team in a season

plus I read Routt has 5 million in the bank from the Raiders in 2012 wherever he plays.

I would imagine sticking the Raiders twice a season would appeal on a base level

by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

If I was Routt sticking it to the Raiders would be a major motivating factor.

He would have that ‘chip’ on his shoulder every time we play the Raiders…the “Let me go after one year will you…I’ll show you” kind of mentality.

by DivineGrace on Feb 15, 2012 4:26 AM CST up reply actions  

think the Lions will sign Carr to huge money just to rub our faces in it after the fiasco

tampering deal they had and cost them a draft pick. I think Bowe is going to be the top WR in FA and won’t be back. That’s why Baldwin was picked last year, because Pioli didn’t want to get in a bidding war over him.
Routt gave up 8 td’s last year and was penalized a number of times, all as the #1 CB with the team that sucks more than any other. As a #2 he would fit in and likely be effective here with Coach Thomas mentoring him.

by dubld on Feb 15, 2012 4:31 AM CST reply actions  

Hmmm.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Feb 15, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

All for it, as long as it's for depth, and not at the expense of losing Carr

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by severn58 on Feb 15, 2012 8:07 AM CST reply actions  

I keep thinking that KC are not in their Base 3-4 more than in it.

Routt would have to see that even as a 3rd Corner, he would have an opportunity to be on the field a bunch. Pioli and RAC are aware that Brown is a little stiff to be a legitimate cover guy in most defenses against multiple receivers. We need higher quality depth at both CB and Safety and signing Routt will allow the Draft to address fewer needs.

Defensive needs: DE (Hold edge, hold double teams plus better Pass Rush Pressure), NT (replace Gregg), CB ( 2 or 3rd cover corner – quality depth), Safety (for Dime – quality depth), ILB.

Offensive needs: QB, RT, RB, TE, Interior Line.

At least ten positions need to be upgraded (Starting and Depth). The Draft will not do it all. May as well fill as many needs through FA while the higher quality guys are still available.

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by CatChief on Feb 15, 2012 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

Rout had 17 penalties against him in 2011

17!!!! How is that even possible!!??

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 15, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions  

He's not a true #1 corner and was left alone on an island on every single play like he was Revis or Asomugha.

At a certain point you start pulling jersey or giving up touchdowns. If you’re really unlucky it’s both. Also he played for the Raiders, which is like starting out the season with a guaranteed 4 or 5 extra penalties to begin with.

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by MtHammer on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

think of it this way ...

… if Routt was good, the Raiders would have kept him

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by upamtn on Feb 15, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

17 penalties at a position where you're always trying to shade the rules for an edge?

That’s like 1 penalty per game. Doesn’t seem huge, unless they were all pass interference in the end zone in the final minutes, up 3 points.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Feb 15, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

The reason for all the penalties is because he is not a pure #1 corner. he is a #2, and thats what he'd be, maybe even a #3 if we offer enough money.

He’d then be covering smaller, or slower, or just not as good receivers, so the penalties will go down from once a game to once every 3 or 4 games. We gotta get over the poenalties because they aren’t a huge factor, especially since he won’t be our #1

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 15, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

17 penalties for a corner doesn't seem huge, to me.

Not as much as teams need to throw against that front 7 of theirs.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Feb 15, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

8 TDs and 17 penalties.

I really do see that as a problem because of how we line up our DBs. We don’t play the traditional #1/#2 system. We play LCB/RCB and expect both players to lock down their side of the field.

Routt is a liability, and it will hardly be difficult for teams to maneuver their best WRs over to his side. Or, when we play teams with 2 talented WRs (which every team in our division has), then he is still being pressured.

Carr will be a #1 CB for someone if he hits Free Agency. He’s in the same mold as Jonathan Joseph who was previously considered the best #2 CB in the league. This is a chance for a long-term investment on what could be the best secondary in the league for the next few years. I’d rather draft Carr’s replacement and let him be groomed, instead of hoping to cash in on a questionable Free Agent like Routt.

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by citadelchief on Feb 16, 2012 6:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Ridiculous

I suppose if Le’Ron was good, the Ravens would’ve kept him? Or if Breaston was good, the Cards would’ve kept him?

He was signed to a terrible contract.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 16, 2012 6:06 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What about the tag and trade scenario?

If Pioli doesn’t want to pay him Flowers money (which I believe to be true) and Carr wants a long term deal (which is of course true), then why not tag and trade him for a 2nd rounder, and try to get Chase Minnifield or another CB in the 2nd round. Then let Brown, Arenas, a draft pick, and maybe a FA fight it out for the CB2 position.

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by The Gentry on Feb 15, 2012 3:02 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I think tag and trade is what we're looking at with Bowe

and Carr is just gone.

sooner or later, God'll cut you down...

by nmchief on Feb 15, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmm. Could be.

Tag and trade for Bowe seems possible. Carr seems less likely, to me. BOTH I expect to see back.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Feb 15, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know. I think Bowe will be re-signed

There’s a glut of WRs on the market, and I think trying to trade Bowe is harder than trying to trade Carr. There are a lot of CB needy teams, and not a great deal of talent hitting the market.

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by The Gentry on Feb 16, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Really????

Why are people assuming that Pioli messed up signing Carr, does nobody remember that he held out last offseason after the lockout. Logic would dictate that the reason he hasn’t signed is because he doesn’t think its enough money. And how is it that Carr is that good now, I remember everybody last year talking about how bad he was. One year on solid play is not good enough for a smart GM to give out a big contract. Which is why we don’t make big waves in FA. I SWEAR….SOMETIMES I THINK MY FELLOW CHIEFS FANS ARE DAFT!!!!!

by cordalew on Feb 15, 2012 3:21 PM CST reply actions  

We're not assuming he messed up. We're CONCLUDING he messed up.

Carr was also damn good in 2010. With a ton of room under the cap in 2010, I’d’ve offered him a deal back THEN, and it’d prob’ly be a lot cheaper than what he’s going to command on the open market.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Feb 15, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

We have no way of knowing whether or not they did in fact do that.

And he just wanted more than they were willing to offer at the time.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 16, 2012 6:07 AM CST up reply actions  

It isnt that hard

Since we have to have Bowe…..go to Bowe and say we need you to sign this deal ($ above the tag number), so we can tag Carr which will make your team better Dwayne.

Simple

by 102win on Feb 15, 2012 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

I just saw this from Nick Wright on twitter:
#Chiefs have 63 MILLION in cap room… KC could sign Carr, Bowe a top O and D Lineman and still offer Peyton 1yr $30M. No reason not to.

So, now we know that money isn’t the problem, since we have already heard from Pioli, saying that they want those guys back, may not be exactly true, but it means something. The only thing now is that Carr, and Bowe may not want to be here, which i doubt. And I wouldn’t expect a signing for about a week and half, or even more.

Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.

by AaronMannicci on Feb 15, 2012 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

2011 was a bad year for routt

but in 2010 he performed just as well as carr as the #2 CB: http://i.imgur.com/tRoO0.png

carr is three years younger and the chiefs would be fools to not to pay him what he deserves, but routt wouldn’t be much of a drop off in quality. it’s hard not to imagine him becoming a better and more disciplined player working with crennel and emmitt thomas.

by shaytron on Feb 15, 2012 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

Heard something very intriguing on ESPN.

Talking to Routt is also a good way to determine how much we should spend on Carr. There’s no reason to think that what they talk about with Routt doesn’t end up in the ear of Carr’s agent as well.

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by citadelchief on Feb 16, 2012 6:35 AM CST reply actions  

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