Setting the Trenches: Offensive Line
by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 7:47 AM CST
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Many would agree that in order to succeed in the game of football, a team must dominate the line of scrimmage. Even though some say the league has evolved, this remains constant. It's essential to protect the QB and provide clean running lanes for your RB's.
Most would also agree that the biggest need for the Chiefs this offseason is on the offensive line. I firmly believe KC can set the trenches for years to come by making wise decisions with their first two draft choices in 2012.
Drafting the Beef
Scott Pioli has repeatedly indicated he wants to build this team through the draft. We haven't seen any blockbuster free agent deals in Pioli's time with the Chiefs, so a reasonable person would assume that will not change now.
The first draft pick for the Chiefs has got to be obvious. Maybe even the second. More info after the jump.
Round 1 Selection
By many accounts, he's best Offensive Guard prospect to come along in quite some time. He's slotted to go in the middle of the first round. It's a can't miss, 100% certain pick that Pioli should be salivating over. You guessed it.. His name is David DeCastro, OG, Stanford (6'5", 315 lbs).
I can see this coming in the comments... "Spend the 11th (12th?) overall pick on an OG?? You must be crazy. You can get a quality OG in the 2nd and 3rd rounds." Let me give you a nudge to get you on board with this pick. Per NFLMocks.com:
Player Comparison: Will Shields
Okay, now I have your attention! That guy seemed to work out pretty good for us.
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Simply put DeCastro has no flaws in his game or in his personality. He should be protecting the president. He has dominated every game I have scouted. He has handled big DT’s with no problem such as Alemeda Ta’Amu and he has dominated quicker DT’s as well. He gets to the second level quickly and demolishes second level defenders which allows for many big plays. Every team could use him but I don’t see him lasting past early 20’s and he could be a top 10-15 pick due to his talent. Teams such as Titans, Chiefs, Chargers, Cowboys, Buccs, Lions, and Texans will look to pick this kid up.
NFL Mocks: David DeCastro Scouting Report
DeCastro moves in and starts right away. Along with Hudson and Asamoah, the heart of the offensive trenches is set for years and years to come. There are no red flags and no foreseen flaws. He's got to be the pick.
Round 2 Selection
Now that you're on board with that selection, what will the Chiefs be thinking with the second round selection? Let me first say that I believe Barry Richardson should be retained by KC. I know that won't be a popular statement among AP'ers. But... He provides nice depth as a swing tackle and is surprisingly one of the better RT FA's (or FART, if you must go there). However, it's plain to see this position needs upgraded. A guy that looks to be available when KC is on the clock in Round 2 is Zebrie Sanders, OT, FSU (6' 6", 307 lbs).
Sanders, like Richardson, could be used as a swing tackle. He did time at both tackle positions with FSU, sliding in at LT (and excelling) when the starter went down. Sanders could potentially challenge Richardson right away for the starting RT job.
Per NFL Mocks:
Pros
His best attribute his is ability to move well in the passing game “range” and to get to the second level in the run game…He has Good size…big wingspan and huge hands (this is the 40 yard dash for OL)…agile…athletic…moves his feet well…can really get to the second level well…bends well and plays with good leverage…has played both right tackle and left tackle at Florida State and is athletic enough to play LT (has actually looked better at LT this year)…a lot of upside…
Cons
Though he has the body type to fill out he needs to continue to add more strength because he can overwhelmed at the snap by powerful defensive linemen…raw from a technical standopint…doesn’t have elite awarness…not extremely disciplined too many false starts and holding penalties have been called on him…
You better believe that Pioli will have Hudson in his office soon to get the inside scoop on Sanders.
NFL Mocks: Zebrie Sanders Scouting Report
Walter Football has Sanders ranked as the 5th best OT prospect in the draft.
Walter Football - 2012 NFL Draft: Offensive Tackle Rankings
Closing Comments
To an extent, the big guys up front can determine the level of play of the guys behind them. A solid O-Line can turn a mediocre QB above average. They can make a stud RB All-World. The best option for this team is to solidify the Offensive Line right away. Whether it's Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel, or Matt Moore (you can also insert the other 15 names here), it's likely KC will have a mediocre QB under center this year.
Here's the kicker. Pioli has said he hopes to draft a QB every year. You better believe he will eventually hit with one of those picks, if given enough time. Hear me when I say: The offensive trenches must be set when that QBOTF is realized. Here's to hoping Pioli will draft the beef this year, solidifying the Offensive Line for the next 10 years.
- ExRoyalsFan
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Loved the post,
but I’m thinking of a tough,mean sob that’s a FA check away to play guard.B-Rich.In this situation IMHO he can make the transition to RG & we draft our RT in the 1st rd. or pick one up in FA.
John Soellner
Not my RT's available in FA
that are above B-Rich’s level
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
New Coaching may help B-Rich more than anything
I hope they keep him around and let him compete.
I will never back off my stance that most of the problem with this past year was scheme and the lineman being out of position with no one to block leading to negative plays.
All of B-Rich’s penalties can be corrected with proper coaching, the same as on the Chiefs blocking on special teams. Fundamentals of blocking are going to improve that.
I hope Jack brings the goods.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with him being retained
As a backup, with an opportunity to compete with an anticipated upgrade.
If he beats the guy out, great. However, I want to make sure the competition we bring in for him is competition that is considered an upgrade over what we saw last year.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Most definitely agreed.
These coaching changes and a full offseason will really benefit players like B-Rich and LeRon McClain.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Lets at least wait for them to get re-signed by us...
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 14, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Well done. I'll put other thoughts elsewhere. But just wanted to let you know you're rec'd.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
nice post I liked it.
the getting us on board with DeCastro thing though by bringing up will shields as a reason to take him at 11/12? when was shields drafted? now you see why they will say why take a G that high you can build them later in the draft with quality.
im not sold on taking a RG to play LG at 11/12 like he is so much far and beyond better than other G’s you can get when you should later in the draft unlike a WR who is projected round 1 in comparison to a WR projected in round 3 huge difference there, with decastro and a round 3 OG there is not a huge difference, sorry. just used WR as an example also same applies for most projected LT’s, RB’s, LB’s, WR’s, CB’s DE’s QB’s and so on seems like G is the only position you find about the same if not close enough in round 1-3 where its not worth it to take them so early like 11/12.
just my thoughts im probably wrong but my thoughts anyways.
Good thoughts
I think DeCastro will be off the board within 15 picks. Could slip a bit due to position. I don’t see it as a reach, especially since it’s a need. My problem w/ taking a Guard in the mid rounds is they likely won’t e able to come in and start right away. DeCastro is a starter from day 1 and shores up your interior offensive line immediately.
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I've never understood this argument.
Just because a lot of good guards have been found at later rounds doesn’t mean a damn thing, drafting is for the most part a crapshoot. You never know how they will turn out.
Just because Tom Brady was drafted at 199th, does that mean the Colts just shouldn’t draft Andrew Luck because there could potentially be a QB later in the draft who will be just as good? Guard is a position just like any other. No one position is more important than another. DeCastro will easily be the best available player at our pick and he just so happens to fit an area of need.
Hell, the best guard ever, John Hannah, was taken with the 4th overall pick. Other all-time great guards like Steve Hutchinson, Ed Budde, Gene Upshaw and Jim Parker were all taken high.
Point is, when a great prospect is readily available to you, you take him. Regardless of position.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said
Point is, when a great prospect is readily available to you, you take him. Regardless of position.
Especially when that great prospect fills a position of need.
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precisely, and I'll take it a step further ...
DeCastro (assuming he’s the guy we get then and there) also completes the Interior Group of the OLine at a high level (see: Saints, New Orleans) and as talented as he is, with Hudson and Asamoah, we should have that group set at a high level for a long time (as you so rightly mentioned in your post) … it’s a VERY important piece of the puzzle … why not get THE BEST piece we can
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
It's so simple evn an Imbecile knows it ; )
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ha!
well, “Moron” is still available if you’d like, NN (angelic smile)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Well moron is pretty close to Masons...but I'll stick with my Imbecile title...I've worked hard for it!
"I never went to bed with an ugly woman but I sure woke up with a few!"
/no skitzo
and earned every letter of it!
btw, have you cleaned out the fridge lately?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
NN speaks the truth.
I have nothing further to add, really.
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 14, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
Nice post.
I can’t see us starting two rookies on the same line, but I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting DeCastro to start on day one and drafting Sanders to be developed by a veteran, free agent RT to start for a season or two.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 9:11 PM CST reply actions
I think you are on the right track but wrong position.
DeCastro is the guy I hope we draft, but I think Pioli will say that we already have Lilja so he can take a guard later and let him learn from him. This may be the year that Pioli finally says I’m getting my tackle early, but I still see a trade back before he egts the one he likes.
most excellent stuff, Sir!
I couldn’t agree more, and I’ve been saying all of the above for weeks now (seems like months and maybe it is!) … in my mind, any RT we were to get in 2nd Round absolutely SHOULD be the starter immediately (Sanders, Glenn, Someone Else) but that’s beside the point …
as for DeCastro, this says it all:
Simply put DeCastro has no flaws in his game or in his personality. He should be protecting the president.
annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Feb 13, 2012 9:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Ups
You are the conductor of the DeCastro train, I am merely a brakeman.
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we don't need no stinkin' brakes ... just keep shoveling the coal, my friend ... full speed ahead!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Feb 13, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Damn the torpedoes!
er, buffalo on the tracks!
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 14, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
mmmmmmmmmm, road kill cafe!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I could only guess you would love the bit about DeCastro
In accordance with the prophecy
I am the 1%
makes no sense how a RT took in round 2 could be the starter from day 1 but taking a G later cant be the starter from day 1?
im yet to see a realistic reason why we should take a RG to play LG for us, obviously not having a RT at all would make RT our biggest weakness on the offensive line I highly doubt they take decastro before RT is shored up.
he can play LG ... no clue where you get the idea that the two positions are so wildly different
Ryan Lilja played RG in 2010 and LG in 2011 … Brian Waters played LG for the Chiefs for years and was RG for the Patriots in 2011
as for why OG instead of OT the answer is crystal clear: OG is a need AND the guy is head and shoulders above any OLineman in this draft other than Kalil … he’s that kind of special talent that’s too good to pass up if he’s there
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I keep thinking that this means you're de-railing the thread.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 14, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Most would agree
This team needs a qb over anything.. Jamaal averaged over 6 yds a pop with worser lines,and Orton made this line look pretty damn good,except for short yardage, but Hudson is the assumed center now.If we stay at 11/12, and Trent Richardson is off the board,im all for your DeCastro pick sir,but imo no qb no superbowl,even tho my heart will be hoping for a miracle lol.
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Honestly, I'm good with Orton and DeCastro.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Not that Orton is a savior BUT...the alternative? Cassel ? NO! Stanzi...I'm a big fan but not yet!
"I never went to bed with an ugly woman but I sure woke up with a few!"
/no skitzo
we think alike, NN!
areya scared yet? ;-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Orton & DeCastro = Production
Then you throw that J Charles guy, who only averages like 6 YPC. No big deal.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
J Charles ... I've heard of him
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The same Orton
That had Denver in suck 4 luck contention, until he was benched for that guy that got them a W in the playoffs? Tebow>Orton.. ORTON???
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Feb 14, 2012 1:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What a great post, well done and I am on board 100% Those are my two guys as well.
Essential !
Most would agree that in order to succeed in the game of football, a team must dominate the line of scrimmage. Even though some say the league has evolved, this fact remains constant. It’s essential to protect the QB and provide clean running lanes for your RB’s.
“Win the crowd…win your freedom” Oliver Reed
Same goes with football…….. win the battle of the trenches and you win the game. You can’t win with a QB on his ass or a RB stuffed in the back field.
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/no skitzo
100% agree.
Wrecked like Peyton Mannings neck.
by DivineGrace on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
nicely said!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Hahahahahaha....that's classic!
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/no skitzo
A man named Mas will be here soon, screaming for BEEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just give him time, he might be taping off a crime scene or something.
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The only thing left to decide is
1) Are offensive lineman allowed to wear #52 in the NFL?
2) And if so, is Brandon Siler willing to part with it?
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If he is not willing to ... cut his puck a$$. DeCastro > Siler
by DivineGrace on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
I keed, Siler might be a great pick up (if he can stay healthy)
by DivineGrace on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
At a minimum, he should provide some competition at the open ILB spot.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
if DeCastro comes aboard I think Siler should give it up out of deference and respect ;-)
so who’s desecrating #54 right now?
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I'm on board with DeCastro
not so much on Sanders,…don’t know exactly why, he just seems like a guy that doesn’t work at his game the way he’ll have to in the pros
well, there's Glenn, and Adams ...
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There are a few guys later down the list that would be great fits in KC.
The problem with them is that they have less ability to be a swing OT and are pretty much ROT’s in the NFL.
Massie and Adcock would be great fits later down the draft. Massie would need more time than Adcock to develop but is the better prospect.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
That would definitely be a problem
We need to address RT in the draft for sure, though. Wish we could go after a FA, but there are just don’t seem to be any viable options.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
To address your question of Sanders' motivation:
Hard worker off the field and an excellent student; an accomplished violin player. Four-year starter.
http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/12/zebrie-sanders-scouting-report/
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Also
from 2008, scout.com reports Sanders was an Eagle Scout and black belt.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Zebrie-Sanders-57005
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An Eagle Scout??
That is not a slacker…my son is in scouts and trust me when I say it takes a LOT of work to become Eagle (and sometimes a pushy father…)
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
agreed, I don't pretend to know enough about Sanders myself
just going off of respectable journalists whose opinions I value….like Whitlock!
Just kidding , just kidding!
I really do think Hudson can provide some good insight on the guy
If Sander’s won’t bring his hard hat and lunch pail to work, Hudson won’t want the guy battling in the trenches with him. Surely he would convey as much to Pioli.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. Like I said, if Pioli drafts one every year, he’s bound to hit eventually.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Weeeeeel, he has only drafted one in the last three years though.
just saying.
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Too many needs the first 2 years.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I counted once,
from 2003 through 2008, the best QB drafted after the first round was Schaub. Second best was Orton, and after that were guys like Kolb and our own Cassel. That was out of, if I recall, about 67 total QBs drafted after the first round in those years. And that even includes the second rounders…. Our odds for churning the mid-rounds for a QB are definitely NOT good.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Looking at the 1st round QB...the odds don't go up that much either.
Elite QBs are hard to find…
Manning (either)
Brady (6th rounder)
Brees (2nd roudner)
Rodgers (was riding the bench for years before he started)
That is it for ‘elite’ (put the team on their backs and WILL a team to the Super Bowl) QBs. I think it has as much to do with the system they come into as anything else (including round they were drafted). How is the line? How many weapons (RB, WRs, TE’s)? Who is coaching them? etc….
by DivineGrace on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
System? Yeah, that's a great system up in Indy, chugs right along without PeyPey.
Brees was technically a 2nd rounder, but actually was the 32nd overall pick.
Anyway, I never said you get a 100% sure thing with a first round QB. But I’ll take 5 out of 20 as opposed to 2 out of 67.
And, that’s five “elite” QBs today. How many “elite” O lines, that can win a playoff game with a mediocre QB? Houston’s maybe? The line that got two QBs injured….? Building an O line is not an easier or less risky path than searching for a franchise QB.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Building an O-Line is a LOT less risky then trading multiple top picks for multipe years for one QB who may or may not be a bust.
Draft a bad/bust O-Line man you give up one pick in one draft.
If we trade up for someone like RGIII, and he is a bust…forgetabout being a contender this decade.
by DivineGrace on Feb 14, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
Well, we haven't been a contender for about forty years, so what's another decade?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
If RGIII is sitting there at 11 then by all means pull the trigger...if he is a bust its just A pick.
However, we all know that it will take more than one pick to get RGIII.
by DivineGrace on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Or to put it another way...
..when was the last time a team gave up multiple picks for multiple years and it paid off with a trip to the Super Bowl.
Hint: Chances are better you will find another Brady in the 6th.
by DivineGrace on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
As for Indy...not so much of a good "QB system".
The Pats on the other hand…Bardy goes down and their back-up still leads that team to an 11-5 season. (who was that back-up again?)
The Packers bench/rest Rodgers…their backup set a single game record for QB play.
by DivineGrace on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
NE and GB are not really good examples for centering an offense around the O line.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
While the line is 'part' of it, my point is...you build a TEAM (all players on all sides of the ball...O, D. ST)
You can’t build a team by giving up up 1st and 2nd rounders for multiple years….at least not yet. We still have to many holes.
Well, I guess that may be the root of our disagreement. I don't see that many holes left.
Could use a new starter at right tackle. Other than that, if we sign our own free agents, I don’t see any other position in need of an immediate new starter, which is what 1st round picks are usually for IF the team is re-building.
And that’s just it, I don’t think we’re re-building any more. I think we’re just leaving that phase and entering the maintenance phase. We need depth all around, but that’s maintenance. We’ll probably need a second TE and RB, and an understudy/backup for Lilja, and a tackle who can back up Albert in a pinch. But none of those are starting positions.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Green Bay may not be, but New England is easily.
Watch a New England game next year and just count how much time Brady has in the pocket.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 15, 2012 7:31 AM CST up reply actions
Cassel had 47 sacks in 2008. Brady had 21 in 2007, and 16 in 2009.
Same five starters on O line all three years, so the big disparity was NOT due to O line play. Unless you think NEs O line was awesome, then sucky, then awesome again in three consecutive years.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
There are so many really good interior O linemen available this year.
Six to eight currently projected in the first two rounds. A good FA class. I can’t see giving up the value that a trade-down would produce, if all we want at 11/12 is a guard.
I also like some of the tackles currently projected in the third round. So, if we traded DeCastro for, say, Glenn or Konz…..and got a RT like Massie in the third round….we could possibly also get Allen or Fleener. Two for one.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
A trade down would be right up Pioli's alley
But I would hate to miss out on THE guy. Remember: Will Shields, Will Shields, Will Shields!
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
I do remember Will Shields. I remember somebody in this post already pointing out that he was drafted in the third round.
And this year, Allen is THE guy at TE.
Ya know, chanting a guy’s name is not really a good sign of a clear-headed draft strategist :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I must admit I don't know a whole lot about Fleener
I will have to do my research on him. NFL Mocks has his player comparison as Kevin Boss & Tony Scheffeler.
Also, Walter Football has Dwayne Allen (Clemson) rated above Fleener.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Allen is rated above Fleener on CBS, just. They are right next to each other.
Allen sounds like a Pioli guy:
Intangibles – Appears to be a very hard working prospect who takes football extremely seriously and wants to be great. Has been very durable. Played a major role in a sophisticated college offense that used NFL style plays often. Enters the Draft as a redshirt junior and appears to have made the right decision.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Interesting
I am trying to think of a scenario of a team wanting to move up to get their guy at our #11 spot. Really the only one I can think of is if Trent Richardson falls to that spot.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
NE needs a CB and pass rushers.
GB has defensive needs, too. And, depending on how FA goes, the Saints might be looking for a really good guard :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
NE almost always trades DOWN...
Be surprised to see them trade up for a change.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
Best way to make an average QB look good...
OL and Running game. I hope :)
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Proof that if we draft beef, this team will elevate to new heights (greatness)
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree but......
What do you do if……..
Carr is gone, Pioli yet again does not sign ANY front line F/A before the draft—after all Clark does need the rest of his stadium investment back before the caps are locked in. You are looking at Arenas or Brown as your starting CB opposite Flowers—gee I wonder where opposing QB’s are going to throw, and the draft board shows that no other tall starting CB’s are likely to be there at 43………..
Your choice at 12—we lose the flip of course….is KirkPatrick at CB or DeCastro—OG
Which do you take?
For me, I still take DeCastro
We have breakable glass behind the line that gets a little skittish when he does have time. But, ffs if they lose Carr I will NOT be happy.
There are some decent
CB’s in FA….
Cortland Finnegan, Ledarius Webb, Brent Grimes, Carlos Rogers, Terrell Thomas, Richard Marshall, Rasean Mathis…here’s a list:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/db.html
Don’t get me wrong. I think we should retain Carr if we can….I would not be surprised if we tag him…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions
There are plenty of CB's in the draft this year
Most sites have around 5 that are 1st round talents. I can see Chase Minnifield doing very well as a #2 right out of the gates. He should be there by the time KC picks in round 2. If Carr is let go that is.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Really I don't disagree......
And I would prefer the DeCastro train pulls out of KC’s Union Station, and I would even be OK with Martin in the caboose at ROT if they go that direction but………
We have eaten nothing but Pioli’s Cotton Candy as far as free agents since he arrived, as well as been way under the cap, and after 3 seasons there is nothing to indicate he will pay top dollar and/or high end market for a quality free agent or spend money until he has too.
Also, all the CB’s mentioned above are not going to play for $1-3 mill a year Pioli limits himself to, so that there is a bunch of good CB’s in free agency is liking a guy dying of thirst in Death Valley in August looking at the akaline springs—not very helpful.
As to the 4-6 quality CB’s coming out in the draft, the mocks seem to be bunching them up after pick 12 and before pick 43 so it is very likely they won’t be there and the ones that will are going to be 5’10" or less, and we don’t need another undersize CB to romp around with the Megatron’s of the NFL.
So I was simply posing what I consider a very likely scenario that given we don’t pay for high end talent in free agency and given we need a taller “starting” CB who will only likely be available at 12, and given it is pretty likely Carr is gone, so which do you pick……OL or CB at 12?
Umm Pioli's MO does show that he keeps his own guys.
So what I’m saying is there’s a good chance Carr is back and this is a moot point.
by polodude017 on Feb 14, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
I have been reading too much of upamtn
Because I am starting to drink the DeCastro in the first round Kool-aide. You have done it, I am a convert, I will shout it from some place very high…DeCastro in the 1st! Orton for QB and a tackle like Massie or Sanders in the second.
by TheValleybetterthanPAC12 on Feb 14, 2012 7:56 AM CST reply actions
Welcome to DeCastro town.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I Like It
A SILB taken in the 3rd would make it even better. Richardson should only be retained if he takes minimal salary. (1st reply!)
Willkommen, and you're right
NoQB()NoSB
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
I like Audie Cole in the middle rounds.
Would be a nice addition to the LB core.
I fully agree with this point...
Build up the trenches…no sense in bringing in a QBOTF if we don’t have a line to protect him. Our line did pretty well in 2010, and made Cassel look like a Pro-Bowl QB. Get Orton to come back, trade Cassel for a 3rd or 4th round pick, pick up another developmental QB, and let he and Stanzi compete for the #2 spot (but keep them both on the 53 man roster).
Oh, and make sure Tyler Palko is never again seen in Red and Gold.
I would be excited if we went 1. O-line 2. O-line…I would also be okay with trading down and seeing us pick up Adams, Fleener and a 2nd round QB, like Foles or Osweiler. Lilja can hold the fort just fine for now….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 8:14 AM CST reply actions
Using our 2010 line for an example, huh? Is that really an argument for getting new players? Or bringing Muir back?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No Waters, no Weigs...
Our 2012 line is not our 2010 line….bring in some new players.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I agree. Just thought it was a strange example to bring up.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I like DeCastro.
A lot. And I wouldn’t be opposed to taking him in round 1… provided the top 3 tackles are off the board. I just don’t see how you can take him over Reiff or Martin if they are there. As you said, it’s going to be much harder to find a RT in FA and it’s also hard to find a quality tackle after round 1 than it is a guard. If they could grab one of the tackles in round 1, I’m a big fan of Kevin Zeitler from Wisconsin somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd. He’s a great fit for the scheme and had a pretty damn good Senior Bowl. I’m not crazy about Sanders and from what I read he didn’t have a very good week in Mobile.
But honestly, as many around AP have said already, some/all/much of this could be changed in FA. While I don’t think KC is going to pony up the dough to get Nicks, I do think there’s a slight chance they could get a guy like Grubbs or Mathis to play LG. Even a guy like Kraig Urbik could fill that hole. Like you said, there’s not much in the way of tackles out there in FA, so if they could grab a guard there, that’s one less hole to fill in the draft.
People also really need to remember scheme etc when they throw names around.
For instance, I don’t see Cordy Glenn even being a possibility for this team. He’s a pretty poor fit.
I wouldn’t however be opposed to taking Mike Adams in round 1. That could even net them an extra pick with a trade down. However, depending on how the first round shakes out, I have a hard time seeing one of the 4 first round tackles making it past Arizona, so they would have to be careful.
Scheme - we have a new OC and a new O line coach.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
looks like the AP Techies are bust breaking the site again ... what a joy!
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My problem with guard in the first round this year(and its no knock to decastro because he's good),..
Is we are in a perfect position to draft a 2nd or 3rd round guy because we have one of the better rated LGs in the league for a rookie to come in and develop behind. Also the difference between a guy like DeCastro and say Zeitler, really isn’t that much especially after a year of development. I’m not saying I don’t like the picks but I would reverse the positions if you’re going to do that. Guard is much deeper in this draft then tackle is and the difference between a guy like Riley Reiff and Zebrie Sanders is far greater then the difference between DeCastro and Zeitler or Glenn or any of those 2nd round type guys.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I can agree with that..
Plus, David Decastro was playing in front of one of the best QB’s in college football, one with a quick release and good feet.
Also, he played on the same line as Martin, one of the top tackles in the draft. It is important to remember that this could be a Julius Peppers/ Ryan Sims situation between those too.
Now, I know we all love Ups (and his love affair for Decastro) and Ex Royals fan made a good presentation on the Stanford standout, but I think a lot of the talk is hype. How many Decastro fans have watched him play while Luck was dominating the QB position with NFL ready style? Look at the situation the guy was in before you just hop on the bandwagon because nice respectable AP guys are leading the charge.
Is Andrew Luck going to be playing QB for the Chiefs?
The answer to that question, much to the chagrin of the Suck 4 Luckers’ is probably no. So, Decastro won’t have such a savy guy in front of him. If you think that won’t effect his play, you may be mistaken in my opinion.
11-12 is really high for a guard with scenario questions like that in place. I agree that the need is tackle and the Chiefs might want to take the most talented tackle available with that pick.
All of that said ER… this was a fantastic post, one that almost has me in the mood to throw together some more of my very own AP dribble. Very well done!
RAC’d
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Blinders, I must point out one tiny error here for you ... but I fixeded it for you!
Andrew LuckDavid DeCastrowas playingin front ofbehindone ofthe bestQB’sOG in college football
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Yeah, I almost put that in as a correction after the fact.
but I figured you would point that out.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
(angelic smile)
just doing my job here :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
That is exactly the kind of cute comments that I was referring to, that may lead fans
to a popular, yet uninformed opinion.
Though, I do respect your judgement on football talent (Derek Sherrod), it is just hard to ignore that whole Andrew Luck thing. If people don’t think that was a factor in making him look great. They might be sadly mistaken.
All of that talent on Stanford combined to give an over-hyped individual value potentially.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
I would agree to some extent.
But for the people who really watch all the tape and break this down, I would say that isn’t all that important. Not saying I’m one of them, but if you focus on DeCastro each play you can see if he’s doing his job or not. Luck has no bearing on that.
I would disagree.
A successful QB is always going to make an offensive line look better.
Look at Peyton Manning in Indy, that is the type of QB Luck is. His performance and ability to get rid of the ball and avoid pressure with uncanny skills will make his linemen look better than they are.
I’ve watched some Stanford games and there is no doubt that he is a very skilled NFL prospect. Andrew Luck just put a shiny bow on all of his efforts blocking. He is a force though, I just don’t know if he is worth the risk.
As far as comparing him to Will Shields above.
I watched every game Will Shields ever played in college and Decastro does seem to have some of those skills, but I didn’t see him dominate like Shields did blocking for Tommie Frazier and company in 1992, they were two completely different types of QB’s (Luck vs Frazier.) They are completely different players(Shields and DeCastro), but they can both pull exceptionally well, but other than that.
No one could control the man in front of him with more grace and technique than Will Shields that I have ever seen, he was a blocking magician, even in college with incredible footwork and patience.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I see what you're saying, but I also think a PART of Luck's success stems from pllaying in a weak defensive league
and polodude has a valid point as well … look at what DeCastro does separately from Luck … look at the Stanford running game, not just his pass blocking
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I think he is a super player Ups.
Is he good enough for being selected that high a guard?
That is where the questions about Luck make is a shade of grey. Stanford’s running game also benefited from Andrew Luck and his ability to score on every single play.
Your argument against the defense being weak is just another reason I think that David Decastro has a question mark. His level of competition. It just stinks of the offensive version of Ryan Sims.
If he is everything you want and believe he will be, then he will be great, but what if he is not? You are always telling me to have caution in my hope.
What is the difference here with Decastro?
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I honestly think he IS that good, Blinders ... hell, I've seen mocks where goes to the Redskins at #6
Is he good enough for being selected that high a guard?
he just has the talent and intelligence to with it, and the raw grades (Top 10) and the awards and … hey, what can I say, I can’t see ONE red flag with this guy, not even a yellow ribbon
FYI, DeCastro DID hold off the highly touted Ta’amu for an entire game, so there’s that
then too, what if anyone we pick isn’t great? what if we give up multiple draft choices for a guy and HE isn’t great? then you have not only a bust, but fewer chances to correct it anytime soon … see what I mean?
but yeah, even Andrew Luck could bust
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I keep coming back to
is it our biggest PON? I agree that at 11 or 12, DeCastro may well be the BPA, but will he be the BPA at our biggest PON? I think we trade down and take Adams late in the first and pick up a second pick. Would you be kosher with this if we were able to steal Nicks or Grubbs in FA?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
One thing Ups is right about
is guard needing to be set for the future. This is a huge need for the Chiefs. Is DeCastro the solution? I don’t think he would hurt the problem.
Though, I am of the mind that the scheme on the offensive line in 2011 hurt more than the actual play. It was terrible and there was a great reason for Pat Perles being let go, it was all over the game film, terrible protections. Moving Bill Muir to OC mutilated the lines progress, worst Chiefs decision since Mike Solari.
This line will be re-shuffled with Jack coming in and nothing excites me more than that. This team needed new offensive perspective more than anything else. Because, the talent is there at the skill positions other than QB. They just need to execute.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
wow, I'm actually RIGHT about something?
w00000000000000t! now THAT calls for a celebration!!! :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I was talking about a different Ups
calm down w00000000000000000t man.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Was Berry worth it @ the 5 slot?
Most people say safeties aren’t worth drafting early. If you can get a guy that is so well thought of at really any position then its worth it
I think Eric Berry was obviously one of the best safeties to come out in years
he could transcend the position.
I don’t feel that same way about a great guard that was blocking for one of the best NFL QB prospects to come out for a long time, whom also played on the same line with another first round talent at LT.
It doesn’t show me he is clearly the dominant guard everyone makes him out to be.
But it is a good argument.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Also, we had two gaping holes at safety when we drafted Berry.
At guard, we have Asamoah and Lilja. Lilja looks like he’s on the downslide, but he should be able to give an understudy at least a year or two to develop, assuming Hudson does OK at center.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You have heard me make that argument as well about Luck.
There are red flags on the guy, you are just choosing to ignore them and that is your prerogative (RIP Whitney.)
You know me, I will be excited about whoever the Chiefs do finally add to the team and then I will try and sell them to you and everyone else how they might be winners moving forward in 2012.
But, as far this first pick in the draft goes, to me, there is no one person that stands out better than everyone else at where the Chiefs are picking. Personally, I am kind of hoping for another trade down.
Who is the one guy that will help the Chiefs win a Super Bowl?
Is he even going to be available?
We would all love a QB, but that isn’t going to happen. If the Chiefs trade a franchised Bowe or Carr, this draft could get even more interesting.
There could be a scenario where the Chiefs walk away with Griffin III and Decastro. People would die on the day of the draft if that were to happen. Who knows?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
oh, I pretty much ALREADY think we're gonna be winners
I just wanna make SURE that we are, and for a long, LONG time to come :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Nobody's perfect.
via CBS:
….Better linemen will win some hand battles and get a bit of push in the pocket. Overextends at times, but recovers well….Not a dominant drive-blocker, though he can overwhelm lesser talent off the snap….Stronger tackles can anchor or move him a bit off the snap….Does not always dominate smaller defenders after initial contact, falling off instead of latching on….Will miss inside target on occasion….Does not have elite foot speed….Inconsistent sustaining against stroner (sp) linebackers and defensive backs, will lower his head and targets can disengage too easily with a punch….
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Perspective
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
As humans, sometimes we think something is good for us, when it's really not.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
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Thanks blinders
Regarding Luck and DeCastro, I guess it’s the old chicken or egg argument. But you so rarely see so many scouting reports with no cons on a guy (DeCastro).
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Rather than only read the experts
that often times are copy and pasted and re tweeted around this time of year.
It helps to watch the guy (I’m sure you have), he is a hype machine right now and rightfully so, but it is foolish not to consider Luck’s presence when evaluating the guy moving forward IMO.
He is very skilled though and he plays tough.
It will be interesting to see his pro day and combine too.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I gotta disagree with the logic presented here. If in the unlikely event Khalil fell we'd take
him, otherwise it’s Adams at RT. While the guard you all love is a good prospect, it isn’t a need like RT. Don’t forget we have an unproven Center who showed promise at guard last year. So in FA the Center from the Texans would be a priority for me, then Adams in the draft.
I like your premise of the need for BEEF, just don’t think your approach is really clued in to the team needs. Sure the guard from Stanford is getting quite a bit of love, but guard isn’t the biggest need. You could argue Center over RT, but guard? No way!
yeah, he's a bit undersized to be OG in the NFL and was projected as Center all along
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Hudson should be the center IMO...
Though I wouldn’t be upset to see Asamoah play it either.
No one talks about this, but what about moving Lilja back to RG.
Albert-Hudson-Asamoah-Lilja- DP/FA
That could be interesting, but it probably won’t happen. Ryan Lilja was a beast at RG in 2010 though. He is just better on that side.
It will be cool to see what the new OL coach does in OTA’s and training camp with some of these guys and their potential.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
neh ... I'm just really lukewarm on Lilja
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It is hard to deny that moving him was retarded.
He was the best overall lineman in 2010 and Waters played well, if he didn’t fade done the stretch. I don’t get the myth that Waters had no value. But that is another rant for another day…
We had that talk as well.
I’m lukewarm on Lilja at LG, but he was a force at RG. There is no denying that, it will be interesting to see the new Ol coach and Daboll put this thing together.
Perhaps a Chris Snee will some how find his way to KC.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
down
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
David Mims comes back at 325, there's our starting RT opening day & backup LT. Mark it down!
A praciticed, more polished David Mims gives the Chiefs OL a major bump going into 2012. His work in Aprils OTA’s will give everyone a glimps of what we have in this giant unknown. I (and the Chiefs) see a monster in the making. Go Chiefs!
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by Big Daddy Booster on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 AM CST reply actions
Not confident at all in Mims.
If he was really showing this great potential, it would have been him (and not Steve Maneri) to get the promotion to the active roster when we sent Gaither packing.
Sure he has great measurables, but has he really shown anything yet?
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by citadelchief on Feb 14, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Anything Mims can bring to the table is gravy. I certainly wouldn’t count on much. If he makes the active roster as a backup this season, that should be considered a win.
maybe
Mims DID show some ability in the preseason… and he DID get the promotion from the PS to the active roster when Gaither was let go.
however, with a “starter” already in place in BRich, Maneri brings a different element in his ability to be a OT/TE, so it makes sense to have him active instead of Mims.
I think Mims’s promotion to the 53 IS a very good sign of his development… it’s not a guarantee, of course… but I think he has a shot to be the “swing tackle” if not the starter this year
Not drinking the DeCastro kool-aid
If Trent Richardson is there, I want the Chiefs to grab him.
Zebrie Sanders also seems over hyped.
It doesn't matter
who is running behind this line in its current state. They aren’t getting anywhere.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
JC was on the trainers table for this line in its current state
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
That's just not true
His injury had nothing whatsoever to do with the line. C’mon now.
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I was not implying that at all
My point was you can’t say that JC ran behind “this line”. He sat out the majority of the season due to injury. This line was not comparable to the 2010 line.
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Ah I see what you were saying
I’m not sure how “incomparable” the line is, though. One different player isn’t exacltly an earth-shattering difference.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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now stag ... this is NOT the same line as 2010 and you know it
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Charles had 6.9 yards per carry in 2011,
for all 12 rushes that he got to play in it.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I still don't like the idea of starting 2 rookies on our O-line.
And even though Hudson and Asamoah have looked good, they are both very young and inexperienced as well.
To me, there has to be a combined approach of Free Agency and the Draft. That’s not to say we couldn’t still draft both of these players (or some other combo of linemen), but as a starting lineup, I am against it.
Carl Nicks and Jonathan Martin/Riley Reiff is the direction I’m leaning right now. However, keep an eye on the Marcus McNeil situation in San Diego. There have been some rumblings that he may end up being released.
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oh sure, make us all do our own research on McNeil
I see how y’are
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Haha, hey, I covered it with a fanpost.
Not my fault 20 different mock drafts and free agency posts popped up right after.
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by citadelchief on Feb 14, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
ha! just giving ya grief, my friend! props and more props, Sir!
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Replace Nicks with a more realistic FA and I'm with you.
Maybe Grubbs, Evan Mathis or Kraig Urbik.
Saints Free Agent situation:
Drew Brees, Carl Nicks, Robert Meachem, Marques Colston, and Tracy Porter. They are currently sitting on about $113 million against the cap.
Brees will get a Manning-esque type deal that will eat into what the Saints have to spend. They HAVE to bring back either Meachem or Colston which will eat into another significant chunk. And they really can’t afford to lose Tracy Porter right now.
On top of that, the offensive line is one area that the Saints are pretty set at. They gave out some big contracts last year along the line, so it isn’t hard to imagine them letting Nicks go and then drafting a Cordy Glenn from UGA as his replacement.
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by citadelchief on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Assuming we don't address any issues via free agency.
I’m fully on board with your thoughts. Personally I would like to see us pick up a quality G like Nicks or Grubbs via free agency. Still pick RT round 2. This would allow us to either trade down and still get a quality LB or draft Richardson if he is stil on the board. If we do nothing via FA then you hit it right on the nose.
GO CHIEFS !!!!!!!!!!!
Richardson as in Trent Richardson?
If so, I politely disagree. It seems every year a new, late draft, good RB emerges behind a stable line. Good O-line = Good RB. In my opinion, no need to waste a high round draft pick on one.
Yes. That's the main theory behind this FanPost.
Good O-line = Good RB
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
explain jc behind our garbage line in 09.
Too much emphasis is put on oline. The defense fears what a great qb or rb will do. football has changed people. Chris johnson is awesome every year, no one talks abouttheir line. Eli and the giants were moving guards to lt and signing people off the street. They just won the superbowl. Steelers have one of the worst lines in the nfl, they contend every year. We just love offensive line talk cuz we had a great line once. Trotting out cassel or orton with the greatest line ever still wont win us a playoff game. See 03-06 chiefs.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chris Johnson was awful this year!!!
The Steelers were beat by the Broncos in the wildcard round!!!! C’mon man..
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
how is 1000 yds awful?
Steelers in the playoffs again. For like the 5th year in a row. Im saying we have all the pieces but qb. Jc was running behind barry rich and the gang in 2010 and put up jim brown numbers. I dont want us to use any more 1st rd picks on line until we get our qb
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Clearly we disagree
and our logic is completely opposite. That is what I love about this site. You must admit CJ2K had a supremely disappointing year.
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, you're being blatantly ignorant right now.
And I don’t like to throw that around on this forum.
If you think the Titans O-line isn’t great, you’re proving my point. You don’t know what you’re talking about, at all. When CJ2K went for 2K, the Titans had easily the best line in the league.
And 2003-2006 had nothing to do with the line or even offense. It was the defensive failures and terrible playcalling.
The offensive line is the most important part of ANY FOOTBALL TEAM. THAT IS NOT DISPUTABLE. The 2009 line wasn’t bad, it’s just LJ was terrible that year. Jamaal knew how to utilize them and actually read blockers. A QB can’t do shit without a good line unless his name is Peyton Manning.
And you act like Barry was a star on our line. Everyone was good last year, even Barry to an extent. If you actually watched them play as opposed to just looking at the ball (something I used to do when I was around 8), you’d know that.
BTW, Pittsburgh was in the playoffs because of the defense. Guess how they got beat? Denver’s O-line.
Know how the Pats got beat? They actually had a running game (powered by the O-line) to balance out the offense and Brady didn’t have 8 seconds in the pocket every play.
I can’t wait for Luck to come in an fail because he’s used to having a dominant O-line and running game and is constantly getting hit in the pros.
Please, don’t even bother with a response or I may pop a blood vessel.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 14, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
i wouldnt want you to pop a blood vessel...
But i have to respond now, and deep down i think you wanted me to. Let me respond to your arguments since you were so willing to make inferences off of my general statements. 1. No one was talking about when c2kj ran for 2k. I was responding to a post saying that cj had an AWFUL year.
2. You contradict yourself by saying that the MOST IMPORTANT PART OF ANY TEAM IS THE OLINE ITS NOT DISPUTABLE, and then say unless your name is peyton manning. I believe the most important part of any team is the qb., but im not going to say its not disputable, thats foolish. Thats what this wonerful site is here for.
3. I didnt say barry was a star. Youre assuming that. We all know he and mims are our worst lineman. But no one was complining in 2010, when jc was RUNNING WILD. We discredit jc by saying noone can run behind our line. I wish i didnt watch as much football as i do. I might be more productive, ex. Me responing !
3. As far as your general statements of how the oline beat pitt? If thats the case then you prove my point of not putting all these high rd picks into the oline. Their starting right guard didnt even play.
4. Why hate on andrew luck? QqqHe might get crushed the first year. But they have a qb to build around, hes gonna be awesome.
I want the chiefs to be successful. So do you. I have seen this team spend picks on oline and dline forever. Now is our chance to draft
a qb, please dont pop a blood vessel. Youre eye will be red for a week. Minimum. I love the chiefs too.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 15, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Denver's O line beat Pitt's D line because all three of Pitt's starting D linemen were out early in the game,
along with their starting LOLB. Harrison was the only starter in the entire front five who played past the first quarter.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Denver wouldnt have gotten to playoffs with
Orton.
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Feb 14, 2012 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Speculation
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those Donkey fans would have rioted if Tebow didn't play
I hate to say it, but they were a better team with Tim Tebow under John Fox.
Orton was a lame duck in Denver.
I’m going to go throw up now.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
As a Chiefs fan, I'm very happy that it worked out the way it did.
And I LOVE being able to blame the donkey fans directly for their team’s failures.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I bet Elway hates the fact that Tebow is there
He knows the guy isnt a real NFL qb, he’s a wildcat qb
-its the opposite. good qb equals good line
Carl nicks was drafted in the 5th round, jahri evans was a 4th round pick. Drew brees turns 5th rounders into all pros. Look at the model for success in todays nfl. Saints, packers, colts, steelers, giants. The only team that is a consistent playoff contender on the o line logic is the jets, they missed with their qb but at least they took a shot. Theyarent going to be set back ten years because of the coupke draft picks they gave to the browns.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would not mind them trading down and getting either DeCastro or OG Glenn.
Then picking Sanders or Massey in the second. It would be nice if one of the TE slipped to them in the third rd like Fleener or Charles.
if Pioli trades down he will NOT get DeCastro
DeCastro will be long gone by then
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Konz would be another option late in the first rd. if the Chiefs see Hudson as a guard.
I don’t think Hudson played at all last year so we do not know if he is a guard or center.
He played.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
he showed steady improvement
There is a lot of promise there. I’m excited about his potential.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Don't count Konz out at guard
Remember that while Konz is the top rated center in this years class he’s also the second rated guard behind DeCastro. Konz would make a great guard, he just gets overlooked by many because of DeCastro. I honestly think an interior with Asamoah and Konz at guard and Hudson at center would give the Chiefs a great interior for years to come.
Can't start 3 Rookies on the offensive line.
Hudson was a rookie who hasn’t played center before. He will be like a rookie starting center. I’d love to get DeCastro and if we do, well he’s a rookie. I can’t see KC taking a 2nd round RT and starting him immediately! It doesn’t make a lot of sense. We’d be MUCH better off signing a vet for a year (like Kareem MeKenzie our new line coach’s buddy) and use a 3rd or 4th rounder for a RT. Brandon Mosley started for 2 years at Auburn, is a fierce player but a bit raw because he was a tight end (athletic). There are a bunch of RT’s who in a year should be fine. Not to mention that in another year Mims could be fine as well. We shouldn’t be reaching for a RT just because we need one to start this year. Nothing worse than 10 years from now saying we passed on (blank) because at the time we needed a RT. Even moreso for the 1st round. We’d be better off signing a FA.
by otis8989 on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree.
We’ve added Lilja and Weiggs through FA. There’s no reason to doubt that a guy like McKenzie isn’t the way to go RIGHT NOW. Continue to draft and develop talent, let the veteran FA hold us over. Within 2 years we should have an OL, with all members being 30 or younger if we have patience… and have enough room to still make a move for another position… like QB.
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Reasoned and well said.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
says who?
Can’t start 3 Rookies on the offensive line.
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Not horrible. I wouldn't be super pissed about these picks. But, IMO, the Chiefs need to prioritize the off season like this:
#1. Retain Bowe and Carr. We have the cap space to get both of them locked in and still throw huge piles of money into other FA targets.
#2. Acquire some solid FA talent for the OL: Make an offer for Nicks. Make plays for Demetrius Bell or Kareem McKenzie. Make a strong play for one of the great RBs hitting FA. Possibly bring in a good FA WR If Bowe is a key for making #3 work…
#3. Do everything in their power to attempt to acquire RG3 for a reasonable price. Many options are available, including trading Bowe or Dorsey, with some draft picks. With draft picks alone, a couple of 1st rounders and two to four mid round picks would be acceptable for a franchise QB.
#4. Use the remaining picks to flesh out depth and continue to build the lines.
These are my big 4. They’re in order of what need done first. That said, finding a way to acquire RG3 should be Pioli’s #1 priority THIS YEAR. I just don’t see the Chiefs being in a prime position to trade into a #2 or #3 overall pick for a QB for many years after this draft. The time to make the move is now.
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If youre moving up for RGIII
Shouldn’t you just go ahead and pull the trigger on Luck?
After all thinking about RGIII is so bi-polar. It’s like:
I think RGIII looks great, but there is an Akili Smith feel to him, but man can he run and throw some beautifully accurate passes. It is hard to worry about RGIII not being fools gold though somehow.
Him and Jamaal, with those Killer B’s. Man, that would be hard to defend in the NFL. It is easy to picture his body sustaining injuries with the way he runs when he does take off.
RGIII is the biggest boom or bust prospect I have seen in the draft in the past decade. But, man is he good, but something just doesn’t feel right about him.
Have you seen him stand in the pocket? Have you seen him run at blazing speed head on into a LB. That ain’t flying in the NFL.
Who Knows?
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
The running issue can be coached out of him.
Teach him to take what’s there and slide or go out of bounds.
And no, going for Luck would get much more costly, I think. He’s absolutely the consensus #1 pick and best overall player in the draft. The Colts also NEED a QB. Peyton may never be the same. Getting them to give up that #1 would cost way too much. RG3 is a damn fine player and QB, but he’s far from a consensus #2 pick. He’s just likely to be targeted highly because: a he’s a QB, and b) the QB pool is thin this year. Plus the Rams have already said they’re willing to trade.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Plus, about RG3s running...
He will have a solid team of skill players around him. If the deep throw isn’t there, then more often than not he needs to be dumping the ball off to Jamaal or Dex. Griffin did a lot of running because he had to carry Baylor. He would have a solid support group here in KC.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
The thing about RG3's running
Is that he did a lot of “side to side” running for his life while still looking for the open man downfield.
Honestly, the man throws with incredible accuracy downfield and good accuracy on other throws as well. I think he’d be the number 1 prospect almost any other year.
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Big difference...
Colts HAVE to have a QB, because they are not re-signing Peyton. They are taking Luck.
Rams, OTOH, have LOTS of needs, including WR and O-line. If we tag and trade Bowe, and give them our #11 pick and Dorsey to boot, that would be IMHO enough incentive for them to trade #2 for #11. The question we have to ask ourselves is "Is it worth trading a decent DE, a good/great WR, and a #11 pick that could shore up our O-line for a guy who has never played a snap in the NFL?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Me say no
Is it worth trading a decent DE, a good/great WR, and a #11 pick that could shore up our O-line for a guy who has never played a snap in the NFL?
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If that guy plays QB and has "franchise QB" written all over him?
Yes
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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darn, for a minute I thought that said "franchise OG"
If that guy plays QB and has “franchise QB” written all over him?
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The need to replace Cassel outweighs the need to replace Lilja.
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maybe, maybe not ;-)
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Especially when you consider the fact
That we can get an elite G in FA. We can get a decent DE in FA. We can address WR in FA.
Every other need can be addressed via FA or later in the draft. Except franchise QB.
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We can get Manning for 3-4 years...
or longer…and that would allow Stanzi to grow and learn the system…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
There's a good chance Manning won't even play THIS year...
Never mind 3-4 years from now.
Manning would be a great pick up… if he’s healthy enough, and we have a plan B.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
This.
I’ve been saying this for weeks now. OL can be had via FA. DL can be had via free agency. WR can be had via FA. QB cannot.
And honestly, our OL, DL and WR situations are much, much, MUCH better off than our QB situation.
The QB situation needs addressed. Now is the time. I honestly believe KC is a QB away from contending for a SB. Pioli needs to do everything in his power to make it happen.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
so, how would you feel if I told you the Chiefs could get a QB who would throw 27 TDs and only like 5 or 7 INTs?
you’d take it, right?
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Sure.
As long as that year ISN’T sandwiched between 16-16 TD/INT and 10-9 TD/INT years.
I want a consistently good QB, dammit.
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consistently? oh, well ... now you're just getting picky!
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Crazy I know...
Who in their right mind would want the leader of their team to be consistent?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Although I completely agree with drafting DeCastro
Will Shields was a third rounder so yeah third round guards can end up being very successful, but again, I would draft DeCastro as well
Dexter McCluster
Peyton Manning are trade up for RG3
These are the only options for a chiefs fan who knows a bum qb when he sees one(seen plenty).. Eli took a pounding in the playoffs thanks to his oline. Guess what?? Eli has a ANOTHER ring! Lets talk oline when we get a damn qb.. Tebow>Orton,Cassel,Flynn,Stanzi ect
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Feb 14, 2012 2:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
How is Tebow better than anybody?
That guy is not a real QB and it is going to be ugly in Denver next season if he is there starter.
Find Hammer and mark that down. If Tim Tebow starts the season at QB, the Broncos won’t go over .500, that defense should be good though. If they win it will be despite Tim Tebow, not because of him.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
The Broncos did.
Tim Tebow won some games and got way more credit than he deserved.
What is your point?
That Defense won for Denver, any football idiot can see that.
Meh...
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@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Regardless...
As a starter this year, Tebow was 7-3, including beating Pittsburgh AT Pittsburgh in the playoffs. Who was the last KC QB to win a playoff game? Wasn’t that 18 years ago?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
and you honestly think they won BECAUSE of Tebow's immeasurable skills as a QB?
I mean, really?
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Exactly
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn't have anything to do with Tim Tebow being a good QB
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not at all?
So Tyler Palko could have won those games? He could have beat Pittsburg?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 15, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Almost did, when Pitt was a lot healthier.
And the playoff game was in Denver, not Pittsburg.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Personally
I don’t think that Denver will continue to win games in the NFL with Tebow as their QB. Regardless of this year, he is just not a great QB and I don’t think he will win with his style.
I’m aware of their record and his starter record, that means nothing next year.
If they do well it will be because of their defense.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
So far in the Orton vs Tebow head-to-head, it's 1-0 Orton.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Feb 14, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But wasn't it our defense that won the game?
That’s what everyone says about Tebow’s 7 wins…the defense won those games….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
You mean Tebow doesn't play defense too?!?!?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
yeah, but you've been arguing for Tebow here ... if he's so awesome why didn't the Broncos beat the Chiefs
in Denver
Tebow with all those wins and experience
Orton in ONLY his third game as a Chief
Bowe down and gone after 1st Qtr
Chiefs scoring only 1 TD
all that and Tebow STILL couldn’t pull it out … or maybe be isn’t all that awesome, huh?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I am NOT arguing for Tebow...
I just think a smidgen of credit is due. Is our defense better or worse than Denver’s? I think it is better. If that is the case, why didn’t we win more games than Denver? (apart from Marion Barber’s inability to stay in bounds…)
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 15, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
ok, for Tebow ... a LOT of credit is due! but ... not for his PLAY or SKILL LEVEL ...
credit is due Tebow for his confidence level and belief in himself and his team as athletes and competitors … that was him being a leader, an athlete, a guy who loves to play and compete … and that belief and confidence lifted and elevated the DEFENSE of that team week after week
as for his PLAY at the QB position? he was HORRIBLE other than the game v Pitts , props to Tebow, the WRs, the OLine and their OC who came up with the game plan … especially for the 2nd QTR because the other 3 QTRs they did NOTHING
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
He beat Pittsburgh
Therefore better than us.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 15, 2012 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
How many Chiefs qb draft picks have lasted more than a year?
Any? I’m really not sure. I guess they’ll keep throwing darts at the problem instead of getting aggressive. We will just keep going for the Croyles and Quinns of the world.
is anyone arguing that the Chiefs draft great QB's
It is blatantly obvious they need a QB.
Every time a draft rolls around the team finds another player and fans say we can’t get this guy or that guy and the Chiefs take no one at QB.
The same thing will happen this year unless they move up.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 14, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Question on Decastro
anyone think he could play some RT? If he’s as good as they say, and he is very athletic, I’d think he could do it.
No
He’s a plodder, the feet just aren’t nimble enough.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 14, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
What?
Dude, watch a few Stanford games. He pulls like 1/4 times, and always demolishes a linebacker or end.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 14, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
He pulls, and is athletic with quick feet
Doesn’t mean he’s not a plodder, he tends to get flat-footed and that’s an achilles heel for any tackle.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 15, 2012 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, I didn't go through the whole thread.
Why are we even talking about DeCastro playing RT?
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 15, 2012 7:33 AM CST up reply actions
because SillyHatDay asked a SillyAssQuestion :-)
sorry, I had to
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by upamtn on Feb 15, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Love the picks
they go along nicely with one: Peyton Manning. Solid post, Rec’d.
I wonder how things would be around here if we did indeed sign Manning. And then brought in Reggie Wayne and a recently released Dalls Clark….dreaming? Yes. But I liked it.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
If Pioli somehow swings Manning
he almost has to draft DeCastro
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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 14, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think he pretty much has to draft DeCastro regardless who the QB is ...
whoever’s there needs time and protection, and whoever’s there needs an OLine that get a push in short yardage and a push for us to score in the Red Zone
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
DeCastro is not the only guard who can do that...
I know, blasphemy. I’ll say ten Hail Chiefus’.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
This ^
either way, whoever our QB may be, they are going to be that much better with DeCastro blocking for them. Same goes with our RB’s. Think the DeCastro pick should be a no brainer.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
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