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Where Will The Chiefs Quarterback Competition Come From?

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Since we'll be talking a lot about the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback competition and how things might unfold in training camp and beyond, let's just make one thing clear: I hope Matt Cassel, if he starts, succeeds and has a terrific season. We're all Chiefs fans so, while we might disagree on who the quarterback should be, we all want whoever is back there to succeed because that usually means the team is winning games and winning games could lead to a Super Bowl which would lead to perhaps the greatest celebration KC has ever seen, when the Super Bowl parade goes rolling through downtown. But I'm getting slightly ahead of myself here.

The NFL offseason is prime for talking about free agency, the draft and ways to improve your team so that we can one day see that Super Bowl parade. And there's no position more popular than quarterback.

So, keeping in mind the Chiefs saying there will be competition at quarterback, I took a glance at where that competition could come from.

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The draft pick: This would probably have to be a player picked in the first three rounds or so. From what I can tell, the top handful of quarterbacks -- those that could potentially challenge for playing time in year one -- will be gone within the first 2-3 rounds. From a Ryan Tannehill to a Brandon Weeden, drafting an early round quarterback doesn't seem like the best idea, barring a trade up for Robert Griffin III. I don't see any quarterbacks after Andrew Luck and RG3 that are noticeably better than Cassel, or have a significantly brighter future than him. It seems unlikely the Chiefs would find legitimate competition for Cassel in 2012 through the draft.
Related: 2012 NFL Mock Draft
The young, unproven guy: Your Chase Daniel. Brady Quinn. Brian Hoyer (via trade). Dennis Dixon. Jimmy Clausen. Guys who have very little playing experience. Quinn has started 11 career games, so he's the veteran on this list, but there are plenty of guys like this around the league. The quarterback with just a year to a few years of little playing experience who you think might have a chance to develop into something. Probably not very strong competition for Cassel in 2012 but more so in 2013 and beyond.

Matt Cassel, Part 2: Something similar to the Chiefs acquiring Cassel. This year's Cassel comparison is Matt Flynn of the Packers, although he's much more unknown than Cassel was when the Chiefs traded for him. Flynn is actually on his way to free agency so he wouldn't cost a draft pick (unless he's franchised, like Cassel was). But there are other top tier backup quarterbacks who could potentially be had for a draft pick. This would be immediate competition for Cassel, but it's also unlikely the Chiefs would pay both quarterbacks.

The veteran: Basically your Damon Huard. The veteran backup. This probably wouldn't be much of a competition for the starting job. Instead, a backup option so the Chiefs don't find themselves in a situation like they did in 2011, with a shot to win the division down the stretch only to have a quarterback injury help derail it. Maybe you find another Rich Gannon, or a Kurt Warner (from Giants to Cardinals). Or maybe you find a capable backup. I pushed for a veteran quarterback last training camp and I'm still in this camp.

The stunner: As in, a stunning move I don't expect the Chiefs to make (or be in a position to make). This is your Peyton Manning, or a current top 10 starter. Or, really, trading up to get Luck or RG3. The type of wild trade talk that helps drive sports talk radio (and, to be fair, is entertaining).

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It's obvious.

We’re going to trade up and take RGIII just weeks after we sign the one and only Peyton Manning.

by DeuceDouglas on Feb 13, 2012 3:02 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

You're dreaming small.

We’re going to sign Peyton Manning and steal Drew Brees from the Saints just before trading up to draft RGIII.

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 13, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Forget brees

I believe what will happen since we have 62 million in cap room is we sign carr and bowe then we go to fa for ol. Then we trade st Louis 1 2 3 picks for their num 2 pick only makes sense rg3. Or go after Flynn I would not go after manning to much of a risk and not solution to a long term qb. Breed will sing a contract or raged so he’s put of question, but I do believe rg3 can be a franchise qb for the chiefs for many years

by Kcc on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think they'll get any.

I think Pioli likes Cassel and we’re stuck with him. Please, somebody tell me I’m wrong.

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by dbakerku on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

You're wrong

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I was just humoring him, but

Considering the drafting of Stanzi and the signing of Orton, there really is no legs to stands on that “Pioli likes Cassel so we are stuck with him”

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Stanzi was a late round pick that really wasn't competition.

I may be wrong, but we picked up Orton after Cassel was hurt. He knows if we lose him we’ll get a comp pick. Not a big risk there.

by Helmets on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And I ask the question

How do we know Pioli wouldn’t have picked up Orton regardless of Cassel’s health?

And considering Cassel was a 6th round pick (maybe 7th?), we are improving with a 5th round pick in Stanzi

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

the Patriots improved immensely by drafting Ryan Mallet in the 3rd round rather than sticking with 6th round pick, Tom Brady. Oh, wait….

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for proving my point

The round the QB was taken in doesn’t matter. If he can make the team, he is competition for any average QB that isn’t producing as the starter

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Except

Stanzi was never going to be competition for Cassel unless Cassel got hurt. And even then apparently he was not even competition for that miserable Tyler Palko. I swear to God, if Palko is still donning Chiefs red next season, unless it’s on the practice squad, I will renounce my fandom… draft a QB or go get Manning or Orton. And make sure Palko never sees another game minute in KC.

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Follow the history of Palko and Haley

Its hard to believe Palko had anything to do with Pioli or Romeo. I don’t see this guy ever hitting the field in a KC uniform again.

We have to get away from these unsubstantiated certainties. “Stanzi was never going to be competition for Cassel.” Then why draft him? It just doesn’t make any sense.

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I should have said

“in his first year in the NFL”. I think with a year or two under his belt, he could be. You generally don’t draft a 5th round QB to come in and be competition for your main guy in his first year in the NFL. Just saying….

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not?

Again, if the Palko situation was any indication, Stanzi was likely not given a fair shake this season by Haley

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m tired of reading about how Palko was all Haley. Look, if Pioli didn’t want him, he didn’t have to sign him. Also, if Pioli didn’t want him, he could have cut him any day after he stunk up the place on the field.

The fact that he remained on the roster even after Romeo took over should say something.

by manofnothi on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

We will find out soon enough

If there is nobody in camp that poses a real threat to Cassel, at least the argument will be put to rest for good. If there is real competition brought in, my hope will be restored.

by old_school on Feb 13, 2012 6:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And no, I don't consider a 5th round pick competition

Just like Brady wasn’t really considered competition for Bledsoe, nor was Cassel for Brady. It is a low round pick that can pan out to fill in as a solid backup.

by old_school on Feb 13, 2012 6:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree Delaney I think they would have picked up orton regardless if cassell was hurt or not.

that money no longer costs against our cap and got us a compesation pick just by picking him up. pioli is genius.

by kc-twitch on Feb 13, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Pioli had made the statement last year...

“I always try to draft a QB every year.” The point is to find a guy, later in the draft, who might be developmental material. Cassel and Bradey were these kind of guys. I believe Stanzi is another example of Pioli “rolling the dice” on a developmental QB.

by David Winton on Feb 14, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, Pioli has no intention of anyone else being our QB.

Hell, to this point, beyond Orton, he couldn’t be bothered to even bring a serviceable back up let alone someone who might be better.

Until it’s actually proven, this whole “competition at QB” is BS IMO.

by F250 on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering this is the first year Cassel arguably needed competition

Hard to claim it as BS thus far

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Cassel was brought in to be the starter year 1

and he was expected to struggle th 1st year since most of the team was shitty. Year 2 he was above average with 27 TD 7 INT. Year 3 he struggles again. So now it’s time to give Cassel competition and actually earn that starters spot.

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting

We give up a 2nd round pick to get him. And after his best season, we still draft another QB. Looks like competition to me

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That explains all the snaps Stanzi got this year.

From day one Pioli has said again and again, that there would be competition at every position. Thus far that’s been BS.

by F250 on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Pioli is ultimately in charge, no?

Plus, he’s the one who keeps saying it.

by F250 on Feb 13, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

Not of game day decisions he’s not.

by bossmanham on Feb 13, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

If an edict goes down from the GM......

…it’ll happen. But it didn’t, they squandered the season instead.

Besides, it’s on Pioli that no was in place to take the reigns when Cassel went down in the first place.

But you all can keep insisting on mediocrity if you wish.

by F250 on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

So you want the GM doing the coach's job?

Trust me, you’d be complaining about that. I would be complaining about that.

by bossmanham on Feb 13, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Pioli would be Al Davis reincarnated then

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

So you are the source of news that no one else knew, huh?

Good to have you aboard. Please keep filling us in on this blatantly anti-Pioli bias “news” that so many of us, including the media and the tram itself, had no idea about. We look forward to it

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

fair and balanced right

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol come on man.

Coaching decisions are not the GM’s job. Are you saying you’d like an Al Davis or Jerry Jones running the team?

No thanks.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It would actually save money. Exactly what the cheapskate owner wants

No need to pay a coach when the GM can do it for you

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

More like....

We draft Jeremy Lin …. rake in the money

by Shackett on Feb 13, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

...whats wrong with him

…I’ve seen actions of a leader in my opinion.. I think some competition would be perfect for cassel

by HometownKC86 on Feb 13, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

amazing pick

This kid is a Big Ben type, he completes 60% of his passes under pressure and w/o his top receiver this year he still did work. I love this pick!

by CMAC1987 on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Part of me loves the idea of a huge Big Ben sized QB of our own

But I’m not thrilled with Foles’ throwing mechanics. I think it’s probably coachable. But he’s got kind of a long windup if I remember right. Reminds me of Cassel’s throwing motion a bit.

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by TRSChief on Feb 14, 2012 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

The Chiefs are going to make a move for RG3.

Just have a gut feeling about this. Now whether or not they actually win that bid is up for debate, but I don’t doubt that Pioli will be in the trade talks.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

RG3 fits into all of the collegiate criteria that Pioli has talked about before. He should be a priority target

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

RG3 is NOT a run-first QB

one of the best passers in the draft

dont’ sell him short

by stagdsp on Feb 14, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Watch. Tape.

Don’t judge a QB based on his color and athletic ability. Watch the tape.

72% completions, best deep ball in the draft.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately for Pioli though

If he doesn’t win out on this move or signing a quality free agent QB, and we as fans never hear about the attempt (which is likely), certain fans will be crying even more about Pioli. “I told you he’s married to Cassel! Waaaaaaa!”

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Probably.

And even if he does win the trade, we’ll hear people bitch about how he gave up too much. Man I love AP!

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm very pleased with the job Pioli has done.

It pisses me off that fans side with Haley over that BS he pulled. I just think, he really thinks Cassel is the answer. That’s the only beef I have. Maybe he sees it, and will bring in competiton. I hope.

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by dbakerku on Feb 13, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

...before i say anything

Tell me who’s idea it was to release our best lineman and let him walk right to the Patriots… FIRE That D*mbass + who ever when this regime begin Cutting/releasing BERNARD POLLARD… Stupid… plain stupid.. (Jarrad Page and Pollard together were a good DUO..!

by HometownKC86 on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha.

Pollard misses every other tackle, and has to tear guys’ ligaments to bring them down.

by bossmanham on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, that's all I needed to hear.

Moving right along…

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by TRSChief on Feb 14, 2012 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

That

Would be awesome

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

QB is a tough position to address.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it depends on what Pioli means by competition

If he is serious, it will be one of the top FA QB’s out there. If he setting it up to where Cassel is suppose to be the clear cut favorite, look for Quinn or Daniel

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

along with Stanzi

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see Stanzi

give Cassel a run for his money. I can see happening. Stanzi will actually have an off season with the Chiefs and have time to develop his passing skills.

Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"

by GaryfromIA on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM CST reply actions  

The thing about Stanzi is that he actually looks like a pro QB

He has great form in his drop back, throws a nice looking ball and has a quick release. Time will tell if he’s able to read a defense & make good decisions, but I’m hopeful.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

competition from within

I now welcome you to the STANZI era. grab your ankles and bite your lip, its gunna be one hell of a ride.

by RomeosBBC on Feb 13, 2012 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

I will slip in here quick!

I feel we will win the division this year with Cassel, and to follow with Stanzi.

Any one under center is going to be successful
this year at the Chiefs camp.

by Bassbustin on Feb 13, 2012 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

True that.

The Chiefs should just go on strike until they get into a more prestigious division, so that they have to work extra hard to get a playoff berth.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta get there first.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I gotcha.

I just find it humorous that people want to discredit Division Titles because it’s not a “playoff win”. I guess a playoff win should just fall in our laps?

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yepp, there in lies the problem1

If we do not pull the trigger and go big this year, we are going to be stuck in the hind tit location for many years.

]I do hope Stanzi is the man.

by Bassbustin on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet Steve DeBerg is available!

Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"

by GaryfromIA on Feb 13, 2012 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

Jeff George all the way

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Whitlock?

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Thigpen

remember the wildcat to reverse to wide open Thigpen = TD! That was actually an awesome play that year.

Stanzi: "If you don't love it, leave it! USA #1"

by GaryfromIA on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

With B-Rich at RT?

You want RG3 getting Carr-ed in his first season?

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

mims starts this yr

or i wish i could say gaithers

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Gaithers is a FA

maybe we could talk him into coming back….

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see Campbell beating out Cassel

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Sign him up.

the expat formally known as Chiefsinchina

by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Pioli once said...

they’re interested in drafting a QB every year to keep it competitive. My bet, or at least hope, is his eyes are on Kirk Cousins Round 3

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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

How about Osweiler?

At least we could say we have the NFL’s TALLEST QB….

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty scary investing such a high pick in that guy

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure the $ details but

What if we resign Bowe and Carr and place the franchise tag on Orton? Let cassel and Orton battle it out and whoever wins trade the other for whatever you can get. Im not sure what the cost (tag for qb)would be and if it would be worth it, but just an idea.

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by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

Well

I don’t see how we could realistically re-sign Carr and Bowe AND pay Orton like a franchise QB… and I absolutely don’t believe Orton is even worth that.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we can.

Guy we have under contract who is going to become an unrestricted free agent.

by bossmanham on Feb 13, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not under contract.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He is too.

He’s just set to be a UFA, just like Bowe and Carr.

by bossmanham on Feb 13, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh...

Semantics. He has no binding contract after the end of the 2011 season.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes...I never disagreed with that.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

and the 2011 league year hasn't ended yet

so Orton is under contract today. as is Bowe, Carr and the rest of the roster

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh again....

Semantics. The Chiefs have absolutely NO contract claim to Orton unless they decide to tag him. Regardless of anything else, they have not binding, contractual obligations between the two parties.

Officially under contract? Fine, you are right (if that’s what you want to hear). But does it mean anything…uhno.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't have contract claim on Bowe or Carr unless they decide to tag them, either.

Someone said “i think we can tag Orton” and you replied “he’s not under contract”.

Now you’re just trying to create a different argument because you screwed up.

what up?

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

OK...good Lord

I corrected my mistake…

Officially under contract? Fine, you are right (if that’s what you want to hear). But does it mean anything…uhno.

Go what up yourself.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

lol "good lord" is right.

I don’t care that you made a mistake and neither does anyone else.

So just say “my bad” or something instead of trying to a create a new argument so you can be right. It’s not a big deal.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Feel better?

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

A Beer Would Help.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

allright, folks

let’s stop arguing

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by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Stani would not approve.

Thought this was ’Merica, First Amendment and all that?

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

not censoring

just asking people to refrain from attacking eachother

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

No such thing as freedom of speech on blogs or forums

Since they are property of the entities that own them, and can be moderated and censored as heavily or lightly as they like.

Just a fun little tidbit for you.

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by TRSChief on Feb 14, 2012 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Good grief man.

My statement was about whether we could franchise tag Orton. I gave the conditions of franchising a player and said yup, we can.

by bossmanham on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

...and I never disagreed with that

He can be franchised, he is “technically” under contract…but that contract means nothing in our ability to retain him nor does it pertain to his commitment to the Chiefs.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I know that!

Him being under contract NOW is the relevant piece of information.

Are you just disagreeing for the sake of it?

by bossmanham on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

but that contract means nothing in our ability to retain him

Isn’t it relevant in that we can franchise him?

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you think the situation with Bowe and Carr is?

You think they’re still ours and we’re just waiting to re-sign them?

Those guys are free agents just the same as Kyle Orton is.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

YES
You think they’re still ours and we’re just waiting to re-sign them?

they aren’t Free Agents until March 13

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

well i was talking to Chai1836

my point being that they’re no different than Orton.

which was your point too i believe…

I know that technically free agency hasn’t begun, but it will, and they will be.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Bullshit....
my point being that they’re no different than Orton.

We most likely have intent to sign\franchise those two.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Obviously they are much higher priorities.

The point is they have the same contractual status with the Chiefs.

He can be tagged like Bowe can be tagged like Carr can be tagged because they are the same.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

and, KC likely has SOME intent to sign Orton

they may not get him, but they will probably at least offer him a deal

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

but, there aren’t many guaranteed starting jobs for him in this league

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

Not many quality QBs to go around either. We’ll see.

I don’t really care either way, it’s not like Orton is our savior or anything.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they both want to see what other offers they can get.

But, that’s just my own personal speculation.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Feb 13, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

but I doubt that happens

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Franchise Orton?!?

Good Lord no…He is a career journeyman who has proven he cannot win consistently. He lost the starting bid to Teblow for Christs sake…intended.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Too expensive to tag Orton...

Isn’t that like $20 mill? I’d rather go get Peyton for that green…

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Ossweiler or Foles

Both are huge QB’s with great vision. They go through their progressions well and for being on crappy teams their numbers were above average. Either one we could get in round 3.

by CMAC1987 on Feb 13, 2012 3:21 PM CST reply actions  

Walter football has:

- Osweiler going #46 to Eagles (2 picks after our 2nd rounder)
- Foles going #73 to Dolphins (a few picks ahead of our 3rd rounder)

Say his mock holds true, we would have to spend our 2nd pick on Osweiler. And Foles wouldn’t be available in the 3rd (already picked by MIA)

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

i saw on a fan post that the chiefs are 62 mill under the cap. from espn

the best move is to bring manning in if healthy, let stanzi develope and trade cassel. Keep the draft picks and keep building the team through the draft and some FA.

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

"Trade Cassel"?

Ha ha! I don’t see anyone giving up anything for Matt Cassel.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Feb 13, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

honestly, they would

but, not a super-high pick

think 2nd-5th rounder

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Sold!

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Feb 13, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Sadly, I bet Washington would give up a 5th rounder for him. Even more sad, he would probably outplay both Beck and Sexy Rexy.

by Topchief1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

4th rounder we could get

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That seems awfully high.

Ending the year we were only at about 18 mil under the cap. Who in the hell is going to FA that accounts for 40 million?

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it was PFT.

But it was definitely like 27 million.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

27 was earlier in the year before we got Flowers' new deal.

We’re closer to 20 at the end of this year. Still, would like to know where the other 40 is coming from.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

i think its the difference in the 90% cap space rule going into effect and the money we are currently under the cap

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe...

It is around $19.5 Million after resigning Jake O’Connell!

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by Jason Drue Keith on Feb 13, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

OK well John Clayton published something on ESPN.com TODAY

That says $62 Million in cap space LOL.

Of course a lot of that is free agents but good lord, that is the MOST.

More than ANY TEAM.

We better sign Bowe and Carr and McClain and Orton AND Peyton Manning.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

And Santa.

And Obama. And Rush Limbaugh.

by bossmanham on Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel..

would definitely win that QB Competition

by Denver_ChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

So does unspent cap space from previous years carry over to the next year?

If that’s the case the Chiefs should have like a billion dollars in back cap space to blow, lol.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah the chiefs have the most cap space available of any team

the raiders are 11 mill over the cap

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I kind of think that's the idea.

And I also think this is the time haha I mean why not? Peyton Manning is out there and we would be so good with him.

And I don’t know how cap space would help us get RG3 we need to be looking into that too.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Sign more FAs and trade our draft picks?
And I don’t know how cap space would help us get RG3 we need to be looking into that too.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah there ya go.

I mean if we can just sign Bowe and Carr that takes pressure off the draft anyway, I think.

I’d be willing to give up a lot of picks to get that guy.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

A couple of 1st and 2-3 mid round picks would be acceptable.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Chiefs added RG3

You wouldn’t be able to get me off the Xbox, I’d be playing way too much Madden. Seriously, it would be bad.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

tomahawk, what if the chiefs throw some huge number at brees

the chiefs can out spend the saints, and cheap owner tom benson

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That'd be *%$#@( SWEET!

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

i know brees loves the saints, but u got to atleast see what the market thinks your worth

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Just remember, if they don't get him signed

He’ll be franchised, which means we CAN sign him. We’d just have to give up 2 1st round picks.

Which I would do without blinking.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I keep telling myelf that

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Brees throwing to Bowe / Breaston / Baldwin

The circle is complete.

The true Killer B’s.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Feb 14, 2012 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm dead serious though

If they don’t lock him up long term, it’d be crazy to NOT pursue him.

2 first round picks is nothing compared to a proven franchise QB

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not discounting it at all.

I’d trade 3 firsts for Brees.

It’s not likely to happen, as I’m pretty sure the Saints will do everything possible to keep him there.

But if that scenario plays out, I’ll giggle like a little girl for weeks.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

As would I

Losing first round picks doesn’t hurt that much when you’re picking 32nd :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah under the new CBA you can I guess.

But I mean there it is.

The Chiefs have the MOST cap space in the NFL.

That’s what I needed to know. And how much.

If we don’t re-sign Bowe and Carr and address the QB situation SOMEHOW then it’s time to riot.

by bamachief5558 on Feb 13, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

the good news is that they'll be forced to spend 90% of their cap after next year.

Hopefully they’ll get a practice round in this year…

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, I'm hoping that they saved last year

In preparation for this year with the “rollover.”

We all wake up the day FA starts and find they locked up Carr and Bowe, signed Nicks, Soliai and Michael Bush, and gave up the 2 first rounders to sign a franchised Brees.

I’m calling it right now. That’s how it goes down.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't need either in my superawesomewin scenario

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahhh

I missed the part about Brees!

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

always room for 44

put it in the plan or the ninja gets it!

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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Fine

He could be a part of our “Superbig” sets, when he lines up in front of Bush :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

wow, that was easy.

I’VE GOT YOUR NUMBER NOW SON!

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by Shanghai_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah a chiefs version of greece

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

This would be 2012 cap space +

the 24 million from 2011.

so they have 63 million to spend in 2012.

this says we have a 54 million hit against the cap in 2012, is the 63 million before or after that? I am confused to how it is all calculated.

by fongKC on Feb 13, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

actually that article says

they have 63 million to spend IF they carry over 24 from 2011, which I have not seen any confirmation they HAVE done

by fongKC on Feb 13, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

John Clayton did a report recently

Too lazy to get the link, but with the “rollover” from last season he put us at 62 million.

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

Cassel, Stanzi and Orton

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

Neither will happen.

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by chai1836 on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

but, it’d be nice.

I also don’t see the point in another mid round pick, or Quinn/Daniels type player.

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

IMHO

might as well stick with Stanzi

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a crystal ball too

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Does it make you walk funny?

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Feb 14, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

ha!

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

IF the chiefs are 62 mill under the cap, they have more than enough reasons why manning will come to KC if healthy

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:28 PM CST reply actions  

My thought is... Any legitimate QB competition will find Cassel as # 2 ...

My guts tell me Breshnev Pioli will orchestrate a put up job & we’ll fall short of the brass ring once again…Oh the life of a Chiefs fan…

by KCChef on Feb 13, 2012 3:29 PM CST reply actions  

If Manning comes to KC

will they even call it a competition? LOL

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

What spurs MORE traffic then the words “Chiefs” and “Quarterback” on a Chiefs site? I’ll tell ya….* NOTHING DOES!*

LOL

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by Jason Drue Keith on Feb 13, 2012 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's going to be Weeden if he's still there in the 2nd when we pick

Can he beat out Cassel in a fair QB competition? I think the answer is yes.

Will the competition be fair? Only if Pioli is really leaving the decision up to Crennel.

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by The Gentry on Feb 13, 2012 3:36 PM CST reply actions  

Weeden should not be drafted before the 3rd round

he is like 30. He would only be around for his rookie contract.

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

He's 28...but who's counting?

I think his maturity, prototypical size, and accuracy give him the ability to step in and play right away. I think his age is what drops him out of the first. And he may not even make it out of the first.

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by The Gentry on Feb 13, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Brother? Is that you?

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by The Gentry on Feb 14, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I could see a guy like Campbell coming to Arrowhead on something like a 1-2 year deal as a "prove it" type of deal.

Make him one of the higher paid backups in the NFL so he’s happy in that sense. If Cassel struggles, then you turn to him. A short deal also gives Stanzi the needed time to learn the 2nd system in just his 2nd year.

2013 becomes a lot more clearer after this year for sure. This is a pivotal year, especially for those guys on defense – Hali, Johnson, Flowers, etc. The window isn’t big outside of the division.

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by CharlieConway on Feb 13, 2012 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think the R2P2 is that ingrained inot Stanz's brain

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

inot=into

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Haley was trying to help his friend on that one

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

if the chiefs are 62 mill under the cap, clark got to be real stupid if he doesn't go get peyton manning

give manning a incentive based contract with some up front money for 3 or 4 years. Then sit back and have a packed arrowhead every sunday and recoup manning salery real quick and then some. But most of all the chiefs will be super bowl champs with manning, or at worse strong contenders for the super bowl and would finally make it to a super bowl.

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

I fully believe Pioli WILL

(along with damn near every other GM in the league)
at least inquire about Manning’s services

will the Chiefs win the bidding war? 10% chance at best

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

stagdsp, i agree but if the 62 mill figure is right, the chiefs got alot to offer and manning will make alot of money for the chiefs.

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

sure

but, again I make the distinction…
they may have 62million in cap space… but that’s like having a 62 million dollar limit on your credit card… doesn’t mean you actually have that money to spend

I think Hunt and Pioli will be smart about their money and cap space, and try to find a way to get Manning, along with re-signing the likes of Bowe and Carr

but I’m not holding my breath on manning

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Again,

62 mil seems awfully high. Who is accounting for that big of a change? I know Carr and Bowe didn’t add 40 mil to the cap by going to FA.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah i agree espn did the numbers

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you sure

Obama didn’t do the numbers?

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 13, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

yeah the reductions are coming 10 years from now

kind of like the job report it always gets revised downward

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Politirec'd.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

what I mean is

total space we are already under, plus last years cap space, which we can carry over to this year

by LHO on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

it could be smoke but manning indicated he would take an incentive contract

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

did he indicate that team would be SF or the Jets or Washington

No. So unless you’ve got a crystal ball you’d like to show us all, don’t make baseless comments like these

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Feb 14, 2012 3:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Manning said he WOULD take an incentive based contract

So the important thing here is clearly… why is he lying to us when he should’ve known Willie would expose the truth?

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It's all on Pioli/Hunt

My guess is that cassell’s competition at quarterback will be bill muir and charlie weis(from his scooter) lol how else could pioli assure cassell would win out?

by Starick58 on Feb 13, 2012 3:42 PM CST reply actions  

Palko and Stanzi?

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Jimmy Clausen

will probably be cut. Don’t want him but I could see the Chiefs signing him.

by Spot the looney on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

God I hope not.

The 2nd coming of Giovanni Carmazzi.

Oh, man. It's my mom. She looks pissed.

by CharlieConway on Feb 13, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

brady quinn then

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:58 PM CST reply actions  

I think it'll be a nearly washed up mediocre veteran

I think Pioli will bring in Garrard or McNabb to mentor Cassel a little bit and then he can quickly let them retire after a year or two quite similar to the Thomas Jones situation.

He seems to like to bring in veteran guys as a band-aid until the current talent progresses or he is able to find a younger replacement.

He could quite possibly bring in Jason Campbell as well but IMO he will just try to match Cassel’s talent or bring in a mediocre veteran.

by chiefs_kc_fan on Feb 13, 2012 4:00 PM CST reply actions  

I really wonder where Manning will end up

Any team signing him is taking such a big risk staking their 2012 season on the hopes that he’ll be recovered by September.

ONE thing about Cassel is that he’s such a ‘team guy’ that he probably wouldn’t mind too much if the Chiefs were to bring Manning in…at least based on his experience in NE.

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by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

Bingo. All of us fans are preparing him to be the same Peyton Manning.

If the Colts are letting him go, that tells me they don’t believe he is. And everyone saying to backup the Brinks truck to his house and give him whatever he wants might be horribly, horrible disappointed.

Lots of interesting stories this offseason.

Key FAs: Manning (assuming), DeSean “Punkass” Jackson, Mario Williams, Marshawn Lynch, Curtis Lofton, Stephen Tulloch, Brandon Carr, Dwayne Bowe

Key injuries, especially RBs: Charles, Peterson, Mendenhall, Forte, Best, Schaub, Cassel, Cutler

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by CharlieConway on Feb 13, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

charlie i think its a money thing too 28 mill due he be ready to go by july

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

manning won't go for that, the colts are in rebuild mode and manning knows that

manning got all the leverage right now, he wants one more run at a super bowl and its not with the colts its with the chiefs

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatever cash is available, it seems obvious that the Chief's will have the funds, if they

will spend them, to do just about anything they want. Having a team that could compete for the post season and even the SB, is within sight. But will they? I just have my doubts. I’m concerned that they will stick with Cassel, we might make the playoffs but that will be it. Very disappointing.

by jcox31mc on Feb 13, 2012 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

I can just picture Pioli and Hunt running around in their offices throwing big piles of money at each other.

They should wise up and start throwing that money at players.

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

x

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by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

are the blinds closed

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Disappointed before the offseason has even begun

Objective thinking at its finest

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 4:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I can be hopeful, but based on past performance, not optimistic. I've spent a lot of years

being hopeful and diappointed both, but never have I seen a GM so sold on a QB like Cassel.

by jcox31mc on Feb 13, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

So sold that he actually drafted a QB after the incumbent's best season and signed Orton

Again, ask yourself: how do you know that Pioli would not have signed Orton regardless of Cassel’s health? Answer that question, and you know how objective you are being about team management

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 4:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah i said the same thing i think if cassel was healthy the chiefs would of passed on orton

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

ego is big with pioli

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He wants to win but his lack of change hurts him sometimes

Its like pioli building a race car only the engine blows all the time, but yet he stays with the same set up and same engine all the time.

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

if cassel was healthy when orton got released they would of passed on him with 3 games to go

but look at signing orton in the off season

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

But there was at least 5 games left in the season when Orton was released

Nov. 22nd is the day he was released I believe, and we signed him the next day

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by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 4:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah your right delaney i just think the chiefs would of road things out with cassel tell the end

then look at orton in the offeason. Regardless orton the best qb on the roster at the moment, would probably start for about 10 other teams at the moment

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You have all the answers, you tell me. Why does Pioli have a blind spot

where Cassel is concerned? If he’s so sharp, we would have already had a good back up last year before Cassel got hurt. He had the $.

by jcox31mc on Feb 13, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no answers

I’m just pointing out your obvious latching on to an unprovable dogma despite evidence to the contrary. I’m not going to say with any certainty one way or the other what goes on in Pioli’s mind, but I’m damn sure not going to be disappointed before any moves have been made this offseason, and im definitely not going to claim Pioli is so dumb that he doesn’t see on-field performance

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 13, 2012 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, we'll see. You have your faith in Pioli and so far, I don't.

I don’t understand his thinking but he’s the GM. If he makes the right moves, this team should be successful and if he makes the wrong moves, the team will probably have problems. He’s said over and over that Hunt has given him an open book money-wise and we know that there has be plenty of cap room, so who should be blamed for past problems (like not having a very good backup QB)? Hell, if he makes the right moves and this team wins the Super Bowl, I’ll be the first one to congratulating our great GM. So far, in three years, he’s not shown me much. Most of the success of this team has been with players already here.

by jcox31mc on Feb 13, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I think one thing people tend to overlook is that spending money on FAs has an effect on the team's finances long-term

Just because the Chiefs had salary-cap space last year, doesn’t mean they should have gone out and signed whomever was available for the sake of spending money.

If you go out and spend that money this year, it’s going to be unavailable next year whenever there might be someone available that’s a better fit for your team.

The new cap rules are about to change the playing-field a bit, though.

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 13, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

manning sells tickets clark hunt gets that kind of math

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

RG3 would also sell tickets.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

For longer than Manning too.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

manning would sell more in the short term for sure

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

True. Thinking of this as an outsider, does the team look "championship-bound" to a prospective QB?

Would Manning look at this team and say “With me, they are right on the cusp of a title?”

Oh, man. It's my mom. She looks pissed.

by CharlieConway on Feb 13, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, maybe. He has the knowledge to look at film and know what was wrong, what he

could have done different and how well the team could do under him. And, he’d appreciate the way the D is playing.

by jcox31mc on Feb 13, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Mort was on 610 today

Said he hasn’t heard Manning to KC rumors at all

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I am leaning toward the opinion that us AP'ers are all homers

And the KC job wouldn’t look nearly as attractive to Pey Pey as we make it out to.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Part of me says that if I were Manning, the Chiefs would be a great place to be.

But then I look at some other situations, and I see him liking those more. Talent-wise, I’m not sure there is a better team than KC, no doubt about it. But if he goes to the NFC, particularly the Cardinals, the road to the SB is a hell of a lot easier.

He signs with Arizona, I believe they instantly become NFC West champs, and serious contenders for the NFC, especially if they keep Campbell.

Oh, man. It's my mom. She looks pissed.

by CharlieConway on Feb 13, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Healthy Manning to Fitz would be pretty potent.

But he probably wouldn’t enjoy brushing up against San Fran twice a year.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

why would mort hear any rumors with pioli around

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

They look like a team that is highly dyfunctional with a coach who was recently fired less then a year after leading the team to a division title and the greatest 1 year turnaround in team history, with upper management that treats employees like crap, and creates a miserable workplace environment.

by Topchief1 on Feb 13, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Fortunately there are 2 sides to every story....

And Todd Haley saying he thought the office and his personal cell was bugged says a lot…

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 14, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Outsiders aren't likely to buy Chiefs season tickets.

So I’m not sure what your point is there.

But yeah, this team is on the cusp of a title if they can get a legit QB to operate the offense. They had the NFL’s #1 run game 2 years ago, and the defense is coming along nicely, with an 11th overall defense last year (which keep in mind we had a piss poor offense that couldn’t stay on the field).

The Chiefs are a QB away from legitimately contending for a title.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

And we have a legit WR corp (along with a guy named Jamaal Charles, BTW)

In Dwayne Bowe, and Steve Breaston. Tony Moeaki showed a lot of promise too, and we also have a 6’ 4" WR taken in the first last year in Jon Baldwin. Smart QBs would love to come to KC and hand off to Jamaal and throw to those 4 targets.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Feb 14, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

yes charlie he does

keep in mind romeo was the only guy to give manning fits when romeo was the DC for the pats

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

There will be no QB competition . Anyone who knows what Romeo went through in Cleveland with Quinn and Anderson knows hes not gonna go through that again .

This entire "competition " angle is being pushed by Pioli as to cover all the qb inquiries they will be doing as simply “we are looking for competition for Matt” . There is simply no way Romeo wants that distraction . I would not be surprised if Matt is moved and Orton or some other QB steps in but I dont buy Romeo wanting a competition as thats what hastened his demise in Cleveland .

Romeo wants replacement vs Pioli wants competition

by Willie Beamon on Feb 13, 2012 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

willie peyton manning will change that theory

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

yes pioli will

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

some of u know how cheap the chiefs were in the 80's it was hell to watch

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

Bite your tongue...

Didn’t you know that Lamar Hunt was a god amongst men who was 100% dedicated to winning and his boy Clark is a sissy, soccer-player who’s just trying to make money off of his dad’s team?

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 13, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

lamar taught clark how to make and save money for sure

peyton manning is a money maker for clark if he comes to kc

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I respect Lamar Hunt for being largely responsible for the NFL as we know it and founding the team that I love

It just bugs me to no end when people acts as if the Chiefs were a storied, legendary franchise before he passed, and things fell apart as soon as Clark took over.

I think a lot of people who think this way aren’t old enough to remember the Chiefs of the late 70s and 80s (I’m not either, but have a historical perspective on it). To be blunt, the Chiefs were probably associated with mediocrity and ineptitude more during Lamar’s ownership of the team than they were greatness. Especially if you just count the years after the merger.

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 13, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

It’s hard to know how much say Clark has in decision-making. The only decision we know for sure that he’s made has been hiring Pioli. That was a great move at the time. It’s hard to see how going out and getting the most sought-after exec in the NFL is not a commitment to winning.

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 13, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

joplin chief , as a fan of the 80's marv levy had nothing to really work with but had the chiefs going in the right direction until he got canned.

marty schotteinheimer, was the coach who brought the chiefs out of mediocrity, I like lamar, but he wasn’t going to spend alot, he was a bottom line guy. Marty helped open up lamars wallett a bit, but carl peterson was in charge.

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeez, what gives Joel, slow day at SB Nation?

Cue the Cassel haters and the Peyton “gotta have him” camp. My money is on Stanzi providing a little competition in training camp but Matt will be the starter at the beginning of the season. Has anybody noticed that, aside from their freakish athletic abilities, both Mannings have had the pleasure of the SAME OC for their entire pro careers? Given some consistency in coaching, Matt just might not be all that bad.

Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.

by KCnDC on Feb 13, 2012 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

Holly Fuck!!! We have the most cap space!!! Dud if the Chiefs brass doesn’t sign Carr n Bowe and Go after Manning if healthy, it’s time to really start a riot at Arrowhead drive!! There is no f’ in excuse to not spend that money on making this team a Super Bowl contender! None!

by Chiefsallday25 on Feb 13, 2012 4:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

No excuses chiefsallday 25

clark needs to spend it now before obama trys to take it

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:43 PM CST reply actions  

Well God dang, since they need to spend it soon, I'm actually draft eligible for the 1st time this year.

Average 40, decent lateral speed, awesome haircut to make the fans believe in me, thus turning me into a cult hero.

Decent hitter, but always hurt with some nagging injury.

Oh, man. It's my mom. She looks pissed.

by CharlieConway on Feb 13, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

are u the BOz

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Nope, Boomer Grigsby

Oh, man. It's my mom. She looks pissed.

by CharlieConway on Feb 13, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

still got the hawk hair

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

Johnny Utah. #9, Ohio State Buckeyes

Character guy.
Diverse athletic skill set.
Law school graduate(?)

by choxer on Feb 13, 2012 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

man We should get a great NT for 62 mill in the bank to spend

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 4:56 PM CST reply actions  

can he pass a physical

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

after he goes through the mcdonalds drive thru and beats someone up on I 70

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

He needs to pass mr chin hand drill first

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Its hard to believe we got chief fans in there 20's who have never seen a chief playoff win

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

yes

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Was that when the Oilers still had Gretzky?

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by saskwatch on Feb 13, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah i think so

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I sort of kind of remember the Montana years

I don’t remember a QB before him. And I wasn’t old enough at the time to REALLY remember the games. Just some vague memories of my older family members being excited.

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Feb 13, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

My heart says with a high draft pick.

I will be satisfied with Orton or even Campbell.

My gut says it is Matt Moore, now that Daboll is the OC, and as much as I actually like the Daboll hire, this is the part that scares me.

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by saskwatch on Feb 13, 2012 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

peyton manning is your answer

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:12 PM CST reply actions  

Who will the chiefs ignore during the offseason is the question/

by Topchief1 on Feb 13, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Gretz knows any more than we do. My grip from what I've heard is that it

doesn’t seem like Orton was given much encouragement as far as coming back. Yes, Crennel did say nice things about him but later indicated that Cassel was our QB going into next season. IMO, it should have been made perfectly clear that Orton had at least an equal chance to be the starting QB.

MY old claim to fame (just kidding) is that when the Chief’s won the SB, I was 25 years old and in the USMC Reserves and in a class, I made the comment that the Chief’s were really going to be good and would probably win the SB. One of the other guys said no way and in front of about 40 of us, I bet him a big $10 that they would. Will, five months later, in front of the same group I collected that $10 bucks and of course, was really happy with the Chief’s. I do feel the same way now about this team unless they stick with Cassel. I’ve been a Cassel supporter but after three years of watching him, I don’t see any way that he can take this team to a Super Bowl. JMO.

by jcox31mc on Feb 13, 2012 5:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

It's obvious KC will bring in another QB

They only have 2 under contract. It was a safe statement by Pioli.

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by ExRoyalsFan on Feb 13, 2012 5:43 PM CST reply actions  

exactly, not much more to take away from it

I expect Cassel to start, but there to be a dog and pony show throughout training camp

by LHO on Feb 13, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Right here

I’m ready! But I could still see Orton. Regardless of the other openings at starter or potential starter in other places, we clearly have the better talent for him to succeed. And I think they really do want him here, and I bet the feeling will be mutual.

by KCinIL on Feb 13, 2012 5:44 PM CST reply actions  

Really?

What makes you think Romeo wants a replacement. The offensive coordinator has seen Cassel work in a well schemed system in New England as their Wide Receivers coach. He knows what he has. You saw Cassel in a system that worked (Weis) and a system that was flawed (Haley last two games of ’10 and most of ’11) If they feel good about their scheme, they know Cassel can operate well in it. This AP site amazes me how they act like Cassel has never done it before.

Take a look at the QBS around the league. Most fans aren’t happy with theirs and most would love to have a guy that in two different seasons as a starter won 11 and 10 games. Give me 27 TDs and 7 Ints with a good Defense and I like our chances.

by SullyWA2 on Feb 13, 2012 6:16 PM CST reply actions  

Shh, some people only look at stats. Please allow them to live in their hazy bubble.

by Topchief1 on Feb 13, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean that thing called a win/loss column?

Your probably the same crew who called for Brody because he had a “live” arm. Can’t measure heart boys but it shows up in the win loss column and will again.

by SullyWA2 on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM CST reply actions  

Alot depends on the development of Stanzi, or, at least, how Pioli and Romeo feel he will develop.

It’s hard to tell with Stanzi, due to not having the benefit of a full offseason, last year. I can see possibly Matt Moore or Henne coming over, based on their connection with Daboll. Moore has played very well, at times, but I don’t really see an upgrade over Cassel, other than knowing Daboll’s system. Both have the same issue, inconsistency. Henne has the physical tools, good size and a strong arm, but his decision-making is still a problem. Alot would depend on if Miami gets Manning, RGIII, or even Orton. I also don’t know the contract status of Moore or Henne.

A problem is not really knowing how much Stanzi will progress, before the start of free agency and the draft, so alot will depend on Romeo’s and Pioli’s perception of his potential. I really think this is how the Chiefs will address the competition issue, not necessarily Moore or Henne (although that would make sense with Daboll), as I think Cassel has played well enough, especially in 2010 and with the Pats, to make Pioli have enough confidence in him to lead the team, and he likely feels that competition with another veteran QB will only give him more incentive to succeed, and will also quiet the fanbase, somewhat. I haven’t totally written Cassel off, as I thnk the majority of people on here have, and I want to see him play with someone other than Haley running the offense. I don’t feel Matt was provided with an offense that gave him the best opportunity to succeed, as he was continually put in 3rd and long situations, based on a run heavy offense, that I feel, was too predictable. I want him to succeed, but I will eat my own preverbial Shitburger, if he doesn’t!

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by Racyman on Feb 13, 2012 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

I could see them bringing in Brady Quinn

RAC was the HC when Quinn was drafted. I liked Quinn coming out of college and he never really had much to work with in Cleveland. Then again, what I saw of him in Cleveland didn’t give me much hope.

Although it does seem that Cleveland is where HC’s and first round QB’s go to kill their career.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 PM CST reply actions  

Didn't get much of a chance in Cleveland

I’m also not saying he is great. I liked him in college and thought he had a chance. He only started a few games in Cleveland, had a couple good ones and a lot of bad ones. They also kept doing the QB carousel there between him and Anderson. 3 games one would start, 5 games the other would start, then back to the first.

I was mostly saying we do have the HC that made Quinn a first round pick. He may want to bring him in for competition, would be cheap too.

Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.

by Fozzyboyd on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

While all you think outside the box...

Mel Kiper had a Qb (that he liked) from pretty sure it was Texas A&M 6’6 going 3-4th round I forget his name, but any know about this guy..

by HometownKC86 on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 PM CST reply actions  

i may be just naive but...

i like cassel WAY better than Orton…i will say that Kyle is the better quarterback, but i just can’t stand cheering for him! once a bronco, always a bronco…but once again, he is the better quarterback..then again, cassel is a player. he comes to win, and if he is upset about his play he will show it (as we saw in the Vikings game). and kyle just whines……this is a choose between “Love of the Game” and “Skill at the Game”, and i take passion over skill any day…whoever Pioli chooses to star, i’m gonna stand by his decision and cheer for them the next year. Go KC!!!

by chiefs89fan4life on Feb 14, 2012 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

we NEED RG3

that’s all there is to make the trade up with his smarts and skills he will be a great QB why not make him ours he is slightly different then other QB’s his IQ is a big part of his game which I think is very important for a QB and he has it that’s what I think IMO

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