2012 NFL Mock Draft Goes Offensive Tackle (Again) For Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM CST
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PrintA new edition of SB Nation's 2012 NFL mock draft is out and to little surprise they have the Kansas City Chiefs selecting an offensive tackle -- Jonathan Martin out of Stanford. This of course would be a Barry Richardson replacement.
Here's what they said:
What a break for the Chiefs to get Martin with this pick. Martin represents a major upgrade to their offensive line, replacing Barry Richardson. This pick, along with the healthy return of Jamaal Charles and a handful of other key players lost in 2011, could have the Chiefs back in the running for the AFC West.
Can't argue with this pick. It seems like ever since the Chiefs let John Tait walk there's been a hole at right tackle. We know the offensive line is a focal point for the Chiefs this offseason, whether that be via the draft or free agency.
I do think offensive tackle, specifically right tackle, will be among the Chiefs top needs when the NFL draft hits in late April. But it's also possible they take care of that need in free agency. That's the thing to remember when talking about these mock drafts -- free agency hasn't come yet. Things can and will change by the end of March.
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I wouldn't hate that pick.
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
Why draft a LT when we need a RT?
Quality RT prospects from the 1st to the 3rd round it looks like
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
quality RT is the question
I would like to draft a day-one-starting-calibur OT… I’m not 100% sure that there is such a guy in the 2nd/3rd
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RT has to be a priority, and there isn’t one to get excited about in FA, IMHO
I loves me some DeCastro, but I won’t hesitate to applaud Martin if he’s the pick. Would be nice to have the RT question answered day One of the draft, then move on from there.
I don’t think KC gets Nicks in FA, but they could get Grubbs… and that’d make a formidable line
Albert-Grubbs-Hudson-Asamoah-Martin
With possibly Lilja and Mims/BRich for depth
by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ohio State beef > Stanford beef
Kwame Harris anyone?
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM CST reply actions
If Blackmon falls that far, do you make a move for him?
And try to fix the OL in the later rounds/free agency?
No.
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
agreed
No way a WR should be picked in the first 5 rounds this year for KC
by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
disagree, if the kid has top 2 or 3 talent.
would you not draft Megatron if he was sitting there? If Blackmon has anywhere near that kind of talent, you have to seriously, seriously contemplate the move.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Feb 13, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Or you could let someone go all ATL
and give you all their picks so that they can draft him.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Yeah you would look at Megatron, if you lose Bowe
However Blackmon is nothing like Megatron. Shorter slower WR.. much more like Dez who is a beast AFTER catching the ball
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
You know, if Bowe leaves and he falls to us, I wouldn't hate the pick at all
But I don’t see him falling that far, and I wouldn’t “make a move” to go up and get him
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
Im not that impressed with Blackmon
Everytime I look at him I see Crabtree
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
will soon anyways
available for the Chiefs in 2015 :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Not as big, not as fast, not as good hands, not as good of a leaper
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't he more of a finesse guy?
Everything I’ve read on this guy is that he’s solely a LT, and basically is too light in the caboose to hold down the right side, NTTATWWT.
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
he's a litte light
Could get stronger for sure.
That being said, he’s talented and athletic and a sure upgrade at the biggest position of need…
by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He may need to put on some weight, but he's no finesse guy.
He’s a mauler.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
While perhaps not quite the athlete of top-10 pick Matt Kalil, Martin is above-average physically and looks completely natural and comfortable playing left tackle. While I hate to use the term "finesse" for any offensive lineman, Martin’s game is more about agility, technique, and quickness than power. If he decides to declare, Martin should hear his name called in the top-20 picks of the NFL Draft.
and Kalil weighs in at a staggering 290 some lbs
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
and we do want our RT to blow DE's of the line of scrimmage
not dance with em :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
You can dance if you want to
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
You can leave your friends behind
"There will be increased competition at every position, including the quarterback position".-Scott Pioli
S-A-F-E-T-Y
dance, dance, dance
by TheValleybetterthanPAC12 on Feb 13, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
We should get another safety at 11-12
We did good there last time
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
yes and no
assuming they stick with ZBS… they can just “steer them away from the QB” or “seal them off from the hole”
as long as the DEs aren’t blowing our RT out of the play, we’re OK
Seymour would push this guy down like a Maneri.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Nope.
Cracks me up how they’ve been saying this for 4 years… not going to be an OT.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
finally!
I hoping someone would say this. like the 3 previous years. we have no idea who scott pioli will draft.
► I reserve the right to make up stats to support my arguments.
Trade for RG3.
At least that’s my suspicion/dream.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
if you're gonna dream, dream big.
I personally see them trading back.
► I reserve the right to make up stats to support my arguments.
actually in the past 3 years you could tell where they where going in late march.
I saw the Tyson jackson and said to a couple buddies it will be him before the draft. Eric Berry was a hope and glad it happend. Last year was tough didnt see the baldwin pick but didnt mind it.
Baldwin+Houston, actually.
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
I can say I called:
Hudson, Berry, McCluster, Arenas, Moeaki and Powe
but, I was dead wrong on
Curry, McClain, Phil Taylor, Golden Tate and many others
That's not a bad track record.
Bet you didn’t have Powe in the 6th round, though. :)
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
Wait...
How can you be right on Berry and wrong on McClain?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
well, I thought they would pick Berry
but, I thought McClain would be awesome and a good pick if they were dumb enough to pass on Berry
The collective minds have been pretty good talking about prospects that have landed on the Chiefs
Last few years there has been talk about almost every prospect we have drafted
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Waits for
’’SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON"
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Nice.
I saw/hoped for Asamoah. Did NOT see McCluster or Arenas. At least, not in the second round.
I half-way called Baldwin….not by name, but was a big supporter of a big WR in the first round, which was a not-so-popular opinion at the time.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Well...
If they keep saying it every year, they may eventually be right.
And just think…only about a million more Mock Drafts until it actually gets here. WooHoo!
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
The team needs are fewer this year, so it may be more likely
Then again, there probably isn’t an OT worth taking at pick #11/12, unless maybe Reiff slips.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Still need a QB.
And taking a RT before we make a move for QB deserves a kick in the nuts. Plus, RTs can be had in FA this year. Spending a 11/12th pick on one seems like a waste of resources.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Making a move at QB before the O-Line is secure deserves a kick in the nutz.
Carr (the 1st round, 1st pick, in Houston 1st draft) is a prime example why O-Line before QB…guy got KILLED due to lack on line.
Our O-Line let not one, but two different QB get injured (miss game time). Pioli would be the dumbest mother-tucker on the planet if he traded multiple draft pick for multiple years (what it would take to get RGIII) without making SURE said QB could stay upright.
Houston's O line let two QBs get injured.
Although, as BAMF pointed out, there’s a decent chance that one of those was on purpose. Still, QB injuries happen, even on teams with good O lines. Ask LT.
Jets have a good O line. By the time they recover from Sanchez and start to develop another QB, that may not be the case any more.
GB had a piss-poor O line, but a QB good enough to win them a SB while they build it with Sherrods and Bulagas.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Just playing your own example game :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Also, the fact you pointed out a high rated, 1st round QB, that STILL struggles (even WITH a great line) doen't help you arguement any there Brsrkr.
Just because we land a high rated 1st round QB don’t mean sh!t (and even less when said QB has a piss poor line).
I never said that a highly drafted QB is a 100% thing.
Neither is a highly drafted O lineman.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
There is a HUGE differnce between a O-Lineman who cost one draft pick....
…and RGII who will cost multiple draft picks for multiple years.
See one is a small set back if they bust, the other will WRECK a team for YEARS.
Capitalization doesn't make it true.
Jon Hake put forward a decent scenario in the mock draft thread for stocking up picks to move up next year, and still have nine picks this year.
Besides, how would trading picks wreck a team? Prevent us from drafting first-round right tackles? Reason > scary all-caps.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Great teams build via the draft.
You can’t build via the draft if you trade away you top picks for years (what it would take to get RGIII this year).
Now, if Pioli want to trade back a few times this year to stockpile draft picks for a run at a ‘top’ QB next year, and can still fill holes (G, RT, TE, ILB, S depth) this year I am all for it.
Trading our future for one player who may or may not be a bust is about as sharp as a bag of bowling balls.
"Years?" Well, two years.
Every pick is a gamble, though. You can’t look at it like you’re trading away a player. You’re trading away a chance at a player, for a chance at another player. Hopefully Pioli considers all the factors. Dumb would be to eliminate an option without considering the specifics.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Bang the bag of bowling balls against a bag of hammers, and you've got something.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Bang the bag of bowling balls against a bag of hammers and i've got as much as trading the future for an unproven QB. :-)
by DivineGrace on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Now see, phrases like that are the central weakness to your argument.
And the most irritating part of it…..
People like Jon, and to a lesser extent me, cite specific things like the draft value chart (moving from 12 to 2 would add up to roughly our second this year and first next year) and St. Louis’ team needs (WR & Dline being pertinent to us).
You use nebulous phrases like “trading the future,” or “all those picks,” or “trade away top picks for years.” And “sharp as a bag of bowling balls.” Those phrases don’t SAY anything, they are purely emotional. A person who is convinced by a purely emotional argument is a person who was already convinced in the first place, and just wanted an entertaining self-affirmation.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Becuase I can site at least 2 different non-1st round QB that have won the Super Bowl in the last 10 years.
One of them (the 6th round Tom Brady) won it 3 times, and has been to another 2.
That is 6 different Super Bowls in the last 10 years that had a non-1st round QB starting for the team.
So you are saying we continue to go after late round guys
UNTIL we find the next Brady? Oh.. only take what.. 3000000000000000000000000000000 tries?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 14, 2012 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
An almost DG-esque exaggeration there, BAMF :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
The Giants, of course.
They got Eli. Chargers got Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Reiff pretty much sucked this year.
I will be pissed if we pick him this high.
Looks a little too much like LJ in that picture
bad vibes….
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
No thanks
I’ll take Trent Richardson over Martin all day long…and night too. Trent would make more of a difference for the Oline as a RB.
Agreed.
If Trent falls that far… Which is possible because of the devaluation of RBs over the last few years.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
No thanks
you can get a complimentary RB later in the draft. Even though i think Richardson is good and will be a good pro, I think he is more of a product of that huge Bama oline.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Have you seen this guy? He's a freak athlete.
Sure, we can get a complimentary back anytime. But I’d prefer to have an absolute beast and rare talent paired with Charles so that in the event of a future injury we aren’t screwed again.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Especially if we are running wih Cassel for one more dreadful season :(
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 13, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
RG3 or Trent.
Anything else is a disappointment.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Tomahawk i like the way you think! agreeing with everything your saying!
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 13, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Ingram was a beast and Heisman winner behind that line
and you see how he did when he got to the big boy show. Like I said, I think he will be good, but I’m not picking him just to compliment JC
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I'm gonna argue and say that Richardson is:
1) An all around better back than Ingram was
and
2) Is a much more naturally gifted athlete than Ingram. I mean just look at the difference in body build:
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
If we have to have a totally mediocre quarterback,
then I think Richardson could make a huge difference in the way this coming season turns out. However, we do need to make a change with that other Richardson at right tackle before we can have much success.
"The Hammer"
Big biceps are actually bad for RBs
makes holding on to the ball harder when its tucked
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Risk/reward I suppose.
I’d prefer to have my RBs be a little faster and stronger, even if it does create the possibility of more fumbles.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Look at AP and his issues
Even got advice to stop benching/let his biceps go for awhile so the ball would ’’stick’’ better when tucked away
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Ingram's last year, people were starting to remark on how Trent looked like a better runner when he subbed in.
This past year, people were starting to remark on how Lacy looked better than Trent when he subbed in….
Rare talent? Maybe, but I seriously doubt he’s another AP. And even if he is, well….as far as Vikings’ recent football success goes, Favre >>> AP.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yeah that Oline is just that damn good
When you see multiple backs break out.. hard to say every one of the RBs is that good(including the 3rd string Bama RB who looked good when he was on the field)
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 14, 2012 5:55 AM CST up reply actions
Oh yay a back up RB at 11th overall
How smart would that be?
Not at all.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
My main concern with Martin is, he he truly as skiled as a assumed top 10-12 draft pick would indicate?
Or was his play helped by a highly skilled Quarterback whose play masked any potential shortcomings.
It'll be interesting to see which players emerge from that offense.
It’d be funny if Fleener is the only one who succeeds in the NFL. It was ALLLL Coby!
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Okay...I'll take it
Albert/Nicks/Hudson/Asamoah/Martin – Looks beast.
by Mitul V. Patel on Feb 13, 2012 12:56 PM CST reply actions
What about trading down for extra picks
Round 1, trade down with Cincy for the 21st pick and their 3rd round pick at 85. that would leave at 21-Mike Adams OT, 44th Kendal Reyes DT, 75th, Isiah Pead RB, 85th(we traded with cincy for) LaDarius Green TE and the 107th pick NT Alameda Da’Amu? What do ya think? at the senior bowl and north south,the chiefs looked at/ interviewed Mike Adams, Iaiah Pead,Kendal Reyes, AlamedaDa’amu.
Better get more than just a 3rd for that far of a trade down
Reyes does not fit our system as a base DE at this point, not taking a subpackage player that high
Ta’amu would be a good pick if we could get him that late, doubt he will last that long though
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
We got a 3rd for going back 6 spots last year
This should get us a 2nd.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
At least
We were in the late first last year, top half this year.. for jumping down 10 spots from 11 to 21 would get more than a 3rd possibly a 2nd and late pick
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Might as well be a midget if you ask me.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
He looks small to me
and 305 is light for an OT.
Depends what type of line you use.
Power blocking line that would be smallish. ZBS that is good size, we palce more of a priority on guys that can move than on pure maulers.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
He's undersized even compared to our already "light" OTs:
Albert: 6-5, 316
Richardson: 6-6, 319
305 is light, even for ZBS OTs.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Neither Albert or BRich were drafted for ZBS
But you are still correct. Adding 15 lbs should not be a problem with a pro conditioning program though.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Most OTs are in the 330 range.
It doesn’t matter where/what they were drafted for. And actually, Albert was made to drop weight because Haley wanted him to. Whether or not they drafted them for ZBS is irrelevant. Not trying to be argumentive, just pointing that out. We shouldn’t be sold on one pick because the “body type matches our scheme”. Players can drop or gain weight as needed.
But yeah, 305 is still way too light for any NFL OT.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
That's why when I first saw this pic the other day
I thought it was Decastro cause dude in the pic above looks like he should be playing guard or center to me.
I disagree that OTs in the ZBS should be in the 330 range. And different schemes call for vastly different players, its not one size fits all.
Different teams with ZBS
Colts
Linkenbach, Jeffrey OT ACT 6’6" 311
Castonzo, Anthony T ACT 6’7" 311
Redskins
Brown, Jammal T ACT 6’6" 313
Locklear, Sean T ACT 6’4" 310
Polumbus, Tyler OT ACT 6’8" 300
Smith, Willie OT ACT 6’5" 310
Texans
Brown, Duane OT ACT 6’4" 320
Newton, Derek T ACT 6’6" 307
Winston, Eric T ACT 6’7" 302
Butler, Rashad OT RES 6’4" 317
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I never said that ZBS OTs need to be in the 330 range.
I was just speaking generically that most NFL OTs are about 330.
And, to be more precise, I was comparing Martin’s weight to our own OTs, in our ZBS, who apparently (at least under Haley) needed to bee around 315 lbs.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Not like the weights listed are actually accurate either
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
It would be beyond dumb to take a RT in the first half of the first round.
I wouldn’t take a running back that high either.
Who cares?
There is a need at RT and you take the best one you can get. At this point, KC needs players that can help the team win, it shouldn’t matter where they are taken. Martin at #11 is better than Adams at #21.
by Mitul V. Patel on Feb 13, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
So why dont you draft Trent and back up charles? That combo would be sick.
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 13, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
You can get a complimentary back later in the draft
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Trading Down
seems to me what they will do… who they get is beyond me won’t try to guess but i’m guessing they do move down in the draft…
If we do go Martin, trading down is a no brainer
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by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 13, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
So he can gain some weight/muscle to his frame
That’s good news.
by Mitul V. Patel on Feb 13, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
nobody wants OT Bell in FA? maybe grubbs also in FA?
then we wouldnt need to wait for them to develop and the line would be set and we could use later round picks for depth on the O-line and earlier picks for skill players.
According to Ozzie Newsome, the Ravens GM
the Raven’s OL is his top priority (after Ray Rice) and he’s trying to find a way to keep him. Grubbs will command a 40-50 million dollar salary though. We could draft DeCastro and then Zebre Sanders or Mike Adams in the 2nd. Much cheaper alternative. Plus it frees up some cashola for a guy named Manning….just in case we wanna go that route. Bell has injury problems.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
If the Chiefs trade down and the "elite" OT's/OG/s are gone
it seems like Devon Still becomes a dead ringer if available. Especially if they view Dorsey as expendable and find suitors for a trade.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
I would rather take a shot on Brockers if he fell than Still
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Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately... Barry Richardson is one of the best availalbe RT's in FA
But it’s also possible they take care of that need in free agency.
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
Doesn't say much about the FA RT's does it?
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
haha, you said “FART”
(I always have to make that dumb 3rd-grade joke)
but, no… there aren’t any good RTs in FA
Clearly there was a space in between "FA" and "RT"
But I noticed that too and giggled inside…
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
It says that the FA RT's stink
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
So we've concluded that B-Rich
is one of the better FARTS available this year.
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
Never thought of BRich as a good FART.
Dont want to either…
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Demetrius Bell
Kareem McKenzie
Kalif Barnes
Are all better OTs than Richardson. And we should make a move for at least one of them.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Walter Football has B-Rich ahead of Barnes
No. 8 – Barry Richardson
No. 12 – Khalif Barnes
Those are rankings for all OT’s, not just RT
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2012OT.php
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
Most OTs should be able to play RT.
The LT vs RT argument doesn’t hold that much water, IMO. Plenty of LTs have successfully switched to RTs in their careers, and done well.
And I’d still take Barnes over Richardson, Walter Football be damned.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Walter is a pretty good site for reference. But I do think he pretty much hates the Chiefs, and he has been off base on some things.
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
Agreed...
Dude/dudes have some really weird Chief hate going on over there. But for reference, yeah, they’re ok.
And I’d still target Bell and McKenzie for sure in FA.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
You're right.
Gaither should have been the starter. Too bad he only played a couple of snaps before he was outright cut. Might have gotten a better analysis of him…
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
yep
it still burns me that he wasn’t given a chance
even in practice!
clearly, he has some football left in him
Gotta wonder if the Haley treatment didn't burn us with Gaither.
Might have been one of the last straws with Pioli (yes, I know Pioli allowed Gaither to be cut, but you gotta wonder if Haley didn’t have something to do with that, and then Pioli saw Gaither go on to SD and excel). Anyway, I would have liked to see Gaither get some quality time in place of B Rich, just to see how that would have gone.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Just tweated from titans reporter John Glennon:
Still no scheduled visit to #Titans for CB Stanford Routt. Routt visiting Bills now and looks like Chiefs could be up next for him.
Im not sure what to think about this? I like that were being agressive but makes me wonder if this will rub Carr the wrong way and drive him out, if hes not already out.
" The world is Yours"
Why would it rub Carr the wrong way? He’s going to check out the market in free agency, the Chiefs are just doing the same.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Could take it as an insult. Kc cant/shouldnt even let him sniff FA
" The world is Yours"
by Jeremy Daniel on Feb 13, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
The Chiefs don't have a say in that.
Carr is unrestricted, meaning that if he wants to shop, he’s entitled to do so. This isn’t all one sided you know.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Well, yeah.
But that’s usually the last option. I personally think Carr gets outright signed here. He has a good relationship with Romeo and Flowers. the defense is ascending. We have cap space. Pioli would be wise to pay this man and lock up a couple of lock down corners for the next 5-6 years.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Transition too
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 13, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Routt would be a nice pick up.
I’d prefer to keep Carr, obviously, as he’s younger and better, but if it can’t happen, Routt would be an ok consolation.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I wouldn't hate that pick.
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
May even be able to trade back a few spots and still pick up DeCastro
I’m thinking we could find a RT in Rd 2 that could start right away. That’s not unreasonable is it? With those 2 picks our OL could potentially be set for years.
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
I would like the RT to play immediately.
a 2nd or 3rd round guy won’t do that, see: Hudson, Asamoah.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
We could of started Asamoah if we had too
probably not Hudson
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
"Could of" does not fill in for "did"
Pioli has proven through 2 picks now that he’s not eager to start rookie O Linemen unless it’s absolutely necessary. I’m looking at Pioli’s track record and highly doubt a later round OT will oust Richardson immediately.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
true except Richardson need re-signed to even have a shot to keep the RT job
and why should we think it was Pioli that didn’t want to start rookies.
It might be the Steelers OC’s fault
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I am seriously worrying bout Mims as the RT in 2012
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
That Mims starting would signal the end of the modern human era, and the beginning of the Mims Dynasty?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
by Tomahawk29 on Feb 13, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Or the apocalypse
The Mayans new about it back then, this is the devastation predicted in 2012….
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
by shotty on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They knew the Chiefs would be the best team in the NFL in 2012
The world blows up.. go figure
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Ideally, it shouldn't be Pioli who decides who starts or not
If a late round guy comes in and just blows everyone out of the water, he should start
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
True.
The argument goes both ways I suppose, and has with players like Lewis and Houston. But I’ll believe an OL will step in year one when I see it.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
The Eagles starting center was a 5th or 6th round rookie, don't remeber which one
and he did a pretty good job this year
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Pioli wanted to draft that guy badly
makes you wonder why he didn’t just move up in the 6th.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
The Chiefs are not the Eagles.
Once upon a time (2008), the Chiefs started like 4 rookies. That just doesn’t seem to be the current regime’s MO though.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
maybe not on the O-line
but we started a pair of Rookie safeties not that long ago
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 13, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Richardson is not exactly on the same level as Waters or Wiegs.
A rookie RT would not have the same barrier to starting that Asamoah and Hudson did.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Looky looky who is the best FA OT available
No. 1) Jared Gaither
per Walter Football
Twitter: @RaiderHater86
Good luck trying to sign him, again.
► I reserve the right to make up stats to support my arguments.
Somebody.......maybe the whole organization
screwed up big time on Gaither. Oh well, it is water under the bridge now.
"The Hammer"
We need a RT, Gaither is (and due to his HUGE ego will only play LT).
The Chiefs already have our LT….THAT is why Gaither was released.
speculation
not based on anything we heard from Gaither or anyone else
Gaither, Haley, everyone said he could play RT.
he wasnt’ given the chance…
i would love an offensive tackle.
But if we did end up taking Trent Richardson I would love that to. He looks like a Baby hulk!
by Dakota23 on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I would be okay with taking a tackle with our first pick.
Stanford has some outstanding talent on their offensive line.
"The Hammer"
and WR.. waittttt
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I keep hearing about picking up a RT in free agency, but who is this phantom upgrade?
from the list I’ve seen so far, there aren’t any impressive pending free agent RTs this year. Please enlighten!
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
LT does not equal RT
Completely different position, not all OTs can make the switch from the left to the right.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
He is just a failure from Oakland
Like every other 1st round pick haha
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
In today's NFL you need an LT on the right side as well.
Just like Hali does in a game, your weakest OT is going to get their best pass rusher. The whole quick pass defender on the Left and run blockin road grater on the Right is over. It is a passing league and you need top notch bookends on both sides. RT’s in college are typically the road graters and cannot make the change to the left and rarely in this day and age are they rood RT’s (see Richardson here). Solid second tier LT’s at the college level should be what you are looking for to play RT in the NFL. You need to be scounting for that specifically. It is hard to believe even if we take an OT in the 1st round (that would be an LT for sure), he will still be playing RT for us for a few years. Not sure about Gallery, big disappointment being an Iowa fan myself. He is probably still a pro bowltype LT, the Raiders just ruin every good player they get…
Ya know I tried to make that case before
That the RTs are becoming a bigger need and teams are needing better pass blockers instead of the old maulers.. didn’t go over well
Makes me wanna attempt to find some Boise tape and take another look at Potter, who was an LT on the line but playing RT due to Moore being a lefty
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 14, 2012 5:58 AM CST up reply actions
Right hole since John Tait..
Umm you mean John Welbourrn.. Our last best line 2003 (Roaf, Waters,Wiegmann,Shields,Welbourn) Whole line went to Pro Bowl
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