Figuring Out The Changes Coming To Chiefs Offensive Line

by Joel Thorman on Feb 13, 2012 8:30 AM CST

We know there will be changes to the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line via the use of free agency and/or the 2012 NFL draft. GM Scott Pioli has indicated the Chiefs have to get better at offensive line so it's one of the areas I'm keeping an eye on the closest. The Chiefs last year in free agency were connected to a few offensive linemen, including a couple of offensive tackles, so I think they know work has to be done there.

Here's the offensive line depth chart ending the season (italics are free agents):

LT: Branden Albert, David Mims
LG: Ryan Lilja, Rodney Hudson
C: Casey Wiegmann, Rodney Hudson
RG: Jon Asamoah, Rodney Hudson
RT: Barry Richardson, Steve Maneri

Add in OT Ryan O'Callaghan, who ended the season on injured reserve, as well as the practice squad guys like G Darryl Harrison, C Rob Bruggeman and G Lucas Patterson.

So that's 12 offensive linemen and I really have no clue what will happen with about nine of them. I really only feel confident on three of those guys returning -- Albert at left tackle, Asamoah at guard and Hudson at guard or center. I think most of us are in agreement on those three.

The rest of the guys...I really wouldn't be that surprised if any of them were cut. Would it be that big of a surprise of Lilja were cut? It's not something I'm expecting to happen but it wouldn't surprise me, especially if the Chiefs were able to identify a replacement in free agency or the draft. If Richardson comes back I think it's with competition or as a reserve swing tackle. There's no way he just steps back into the starting role.

So what I'm saying is that the offensive line is pretty unpredictable right now. I don't think anyone has a really good handle on what the Chiefs will do but they could have 2-3 new pieces along the offensive line.

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Why cut Lilja when he's under contract and at worst he represents high quality depth?

I think Lilja being “bad” this year is pretty overstated anyway and I would be a bit surprised if he were replaced. Maybe bring in a early/mid rounder to learn behind him for a year but considering he had to switch positions again and play next to a fading Weigmann he still graded out extremely well.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 13, 2012 8:41 AM CST reply actions

Agreed

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions

yeah, i doubt he gets cut... UNLESS

they get a “DeCastro or Grubs” type upgrade…

then, Lilja would be forced to be a backup or be cut… and he might choose to go

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions

I would still attempt to keep him as a back up

If he wants to go, maybe get a low pick for him who knows

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions

sure, why not

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions

This

In accordance with the prophecy

by SCKSChief on Feb 13, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions

if you ask that ESPN joke, Bill Williamson, Wiegs played at a consistently high level and shouldn't retire.

what the hell was he watching?!

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by chief Stevie_k on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions

Not Chief games.

by km230015 on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions

Oh, he was watching Chiefs games

Just from 2003

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions

Denver games

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by GaryfromIA on Feb 13, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions

My Take

or at least what I would like to see. Lilja is back but as a reserve guard to cover both sides. IF Richadrson comes back, and I could care less, it is as the reserve/swing tackle. That’s 2 starting OL to replace and doesn’t include Casey. Love the guy, and his wife is spectacular, but it’s his time to go. With 3 new stating OL, or 60%, it will take a few games to jell but we do have an off-season to work on that this year. I still have hopes for Mims but I’m afraid he’s still a year or more away.

by cowboyChief on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 AM CST reply actions

yeah, that'd be ideal

keep some veteran depth, upgrade 2 starters + Hudson (who IS ready)

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions

Mims is the wildcard

IF he’s able to play RT, that really gives KC some options. (granted, it’s somewhat of a long shot)
if not… I think they have to draft one in the first 2 rounds, no question.

I think they’d be fine with Lilja… but then again, DeCastro or Grubs would be nice upgrades.

Albert-Lilja-Hudson-Asamoah-Mims would be nice
Albert-DeCastro-Hudson-Asamoah-Mims could be awesome
Albert-Lilja-Hudson-Asamoah-Reiff/Martin would be pretty damn good too

I like Richardson for depth, and Maneri for that “extra lineman” role… Lilja would be great depth… but I’m not sure he’d stick around for that role

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM CST reply actions

Albert-Nicks-Hudson-Asamoah-Adams

After a trade down looks the best haha

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions

that'd be nice

but, until I’m proven wrong, I don’t see Nicks coming here.

I’d be happy with Albert-DeCastro-Hudson-Asamoah-Adams after a trade down :)

(hey, we can all wish, right?)

then again, I can’t see the Chiefs starting 2 rookies on the line

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions

Likely take a trade up for that to happen

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions

probably

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions

maybe a trade down then up

down a couple of spots, still get decastro, then trade up a few spots from the 2nd pick to get Adams

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions

Would be nice

Trade down for an extra pick, use that pick to trade back up, still end up with the 8 selections

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions

Could have...

Albert-DeCastro-Hudson-Asamoah-Massie(Ole MIss..2nd)..if the Chiefs will use their first two on OL..

by cyberry on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions

Sanders>>>>Massie

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

and, again I'll say

the Chiefs won’t start 2 rookie offensive linemen

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

Well according to some of you..

DeCastro should be given the Pro-Bowl right after pre-season…“Immediate upgrade”..I think was used.

But Lilja could start the season then be added around mid- season..

by cyberry on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

that's my point

DeCastro WOULD start day one…

which would mean that B Rich would likely start again

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

I do understand what you mean...

I didn’t clarify myself. I meant the “finished product”…In reality even Decastro still has to beat out Lilja (we all know it shouldn’t take long..if at all)..and I’m not for Barry Richardson ever starting ever again.. In this situation I would a vet RT..that Massie must take the job away from. A step up from O"Callahan…

by cyberry on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions

Never know

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions

I read where Sanders got beat up at the Senior Bowl..

Draft stock dropped..looked like guard material..couldn’t handle defensive ends….I don’t want to draft another Barry Richardson!

by cyberry on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah look how many ZBS prospects do not fair well in 1 on 1 drills that are usually geared towards the defense anyways

Looked much better in the game

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions

Mims' emergence would solve a lot of issues

I’m weary of all the pure RT prospects in this year’s draft. I’m not sure much of an upgrade exists out there. As for LG, I think Lilja will look better with Weigs being replaced by Hudson.

I’ve become more intrigued by Kelechi Osemele from Iowa State as a 2nd round pick recently. He has the potential to play G or RT, and I think would be a great upgrade to either Lilja or B-Rich after this season (probably an immediate upgrade to B-Rich). Considering the lack of depth at both positions, a guy like that could be pretty valuable.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions

And speaking of Kelechi Osemele

From Walter:

Strengths:
Very long arms
Quick feet
Good athlete
Powerful run blocker
Gritty player who plays with some fire
Versatile
Could play guard or right tackle
Good run-blocking technique
Mobility to hit blocks downfield
Recoverability
Reputation as a good teammate and leader
Very durable
Experienced

Weaknesses:
Needs to continue to work on knee bend
Will need to work on his technique in pass protection if he is at right tackle
Not a potential left tackle

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions

yeah, i think he was exposed a bit trying to play RT in the Senior Bowl

but, he’d be a solid G from day one with the potential to develop into a T

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions

I've had similar thoughts but with Cordy Glenn as OG/RT.

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by CatChief on Feb 13, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions

I'm not really sold on Glenn

Thought I’d seen before that he has work ethic issues. Osemele is a safer pick IMO.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions

osemele is a beast but

I think he will excel at guard. He’s to slow and poor mechanics at tackle. Maybe with the right coaching he will be good but I would rather draft ben jones and move hudson to guard. And of course find a right tackle. Richardson would be a great third tackle option or backup but that’s it.

by Brendon on Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Not sold on BRich as swing OT.

He is poor Pass blocker at RT and worse on Left Side.

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by CatChief on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions

He'd be okay strictly as a backup

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions

My problem with Hudson at G is that he's less than 300lbs

our line gets pushed around so badly by big DLs, I’d much rather have Hudson stay at Center & have a bigger OG to replace Lilja.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah, one pound less.

Last time I checked he was listed at 299. That’s a reasonable weight for even a power scheme, and it’s much better than the former 285 of Wiegs.
Olin Kreutz was 291 and was one of the best power blocking centers in the league, and Hudson seems to have the same mentality and play style as Kreutz.

by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions

alberts-hudson-ben jones-asamoah-zabre sanders

That would be legit

by Brendon on Feb 13, 2012 8:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions

and realistic

by Brendon on Feb 13, 2012 8:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

maybe

but, again, that’s 2 rookies starting, which I think is unlikely

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions

true even if jones sat for a year id still like it

by Brendon on Feb 13, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

I personally want DeCastro and Kareem McKenzie...

But I’d be fine with Martin, Reiff in the 1st, or Adams in the 2nd and Nicks/Grubbs/Vasquez.
Imagine either of those lines. Anyone could run for 1,000 behind that, imagine what Jamaal could do!

by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 8:50 AM CST reply actions

all those free agents would want money

So as long as hunt is at the helm don’t count in it.

by Brendon on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

we'll see

while I still don’t expect them to win the bidding war for the #1 big name available… I think we’ll see another quietly productive offseason, with some good FAs, and re-signing KC’s own… which is really more important

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions

I'd be down with Osemele or even Glenn at RT, too.

Osemele could even potentially play guard, but Glenn’s too big for that in our scheme. And God forbid we ever become a big team. :(

by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions

I'm not sold on either being a RT

and… Mims/Richardson even Albert would argue that KC doesn’t exclude OLinemen because they are big.

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions

I have no idea what Pioli will do...

But damnit, he’d better do something serious this off-season. We’ll never be a legitimate team when our O-line is dominated in almost every game.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM CST reply actions

I don't know if that's entirely fair.

The Chiefs don’t have a terrible O-line. It just isn’t elite… yet.
We were spoiled by Vermeil’s line. We tried to hide from the fact they were all just about to retire, but the reality was all too real when they left us basically at the same time. But now’s our time. We have a young, talented line that just needs a few more pieces until they’re elite.

by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions

The probem is that we need an 'elite' line for Matt Cassel to succeed (unless we're playing the weakest schedule in the league)

Put an elite QB back there & our line is probably good enough (other than B-Rich)

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions

also true

the line REALLY looked better pass blocking with Orton as compared to Cassel

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions

yep

And Bill “tell it like it is” Muir said as much to the press

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions

This, this, this!

In accordance with the prophecy

by SCKSChief on Feb 13, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions

True, did Orton even get sacked?

by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions

1 sack in 3 games

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions

That's a 'good' quarter for Matty

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions

I'd be TOTALLY fine with one sack in three games.

And it’s not like we were playing shitty pass-rushes, either.
Denver, Oakland and Green Bay all are pretty good at that, I believe.

by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions

SSS

"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt

by Tarkus on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions

agreed!

they gave up 34 sacks, which is good for 14th least in the league (not terrible)
74 QB hits, which is 16th least in the league (not terrible)
15th in rushing yardage (not terrible)
26th in rushing average (not great without JC)

link

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions

And again

The QB has to factor into those stats. See #7 v. Orton discrepancy.

In accordance with the prophecy

by SCKSChief on Feb 13, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions

Palko didn't help in that category either

I was still amazed at how much better the line looked/performed with Orton under center.

by Ochophosphate on Feb 13, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions

Yessir

that makes two of us.

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by SCKSChief on Feb 13, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions

With Orton back there

maybe the oline, or the team as a whole, knew they had chance win games and put forth the extra effort knowing t hat Orton wouldn’t hold the ball and dance in the pocket. The reason I say this is because the run blocking even looked a little better.

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by KingChief on Feb 13, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions

Well, we sort of spit on Green Bay's defense. Running and passing.

But then again, who doesn’t?

by NigerianNightmare on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions

some of this has to be contingent on who gets hired as OL coach..

I’m sure he will have guys that he wants to go after and will have his own opinions on who stays/starts and who doesn’t.

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by reedeasy on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM CST via Android app reply actions

My take

They need to get younger and stronger at center and could use an upgrade on the right side. I am OK with Lilja starting but not next to Richardson again, we need a new RT. Keep Richardson as a back up if he’ll accept that role. I’d also like to see a FA center, allowing Hudson to play in certain spots but not as a full time starter yet. Maybe as the year goes on, he replaces the aging Lilja. I
n short: Albert, Asomoah, FA Center, Lilja, FA/Draft Pick at RT. With Richardson the backup at both tackle spots along with Mims; Hudson ready to step in for Lilja…

by Mike Manuch on Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM CST reply actions

Uh Lilja next to Richardson? that was 2 years ago

Last year Lilja moved to LG, Asamoah was RG

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions

sorry

you are right, my bad

by Mike Manuch on Feb 14, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions

disagree

Lilja didn’t start next richardson. Hudson played very well when lilja was out. He should be the starter whether its at guard or center

by Brendon on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

It seems to me that woeful O-Line play shows up on 3rd down conversions. KC was dreadful.

I can see Pioli addressing this in a big way but doing it by moving back for an extra 2nd rounder. Trade back and still get a 1st round DE/DT like Brockers, Thompson, Cox, Still or Coples then go O-Line for some folks like RT Zebrie Sanders and OG Zietler with two 2nd round picks.

Just don’t see Pioli spending a high pick on Interior Line or RT. Doubt any LT prospects will upgrade Chiefs as much as some other positions. Only O-Line guy I like that high would be DeCastro if still available; Otherwise, I would like to see a trade back.

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by CatChief on Feb 13, 2012 9:36 AM CST reply actions

id like to trade back to take hightower

Then collect a another second or third and get big on oline. Maybe a Te a rb too.

by Brendon on Feb 13, 2012 9:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Yeah

I think Hightower would be such a neat pick. Not only a freakish player, but by all indications, he seems to be another tremendous leader.

by higgige7 on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions

Read my sig...

Couldn’t agree more…

I like Dont'a Hightower if we can trade into the 25ish range in the first. Think he is going to be a great NFL ILB and would look great beside DJ. He is known as a run stuffer who is pretty good on the blitz but what I saw when watching him play was a very smart footbal player and a leader on the nations best D. Haven't really seen anyone else say that he plays well in coverage but vs. LSU he was excellent in coverage. If we can move down and pick up more picks that's who I take.

by OnlyKCFanNVA on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions

After reading this post...

I now realize o-line is our biggest weakness. Although I’m drawn to a guy like Hightower in the first (despite the effectiveness or possible effectiveness of guys like Belcher or Siler), I could see us pulling an NY Jets draft strategy when Mangini was there his first year. They grabbed Ferguson then traded back up (I think) to get the C. If we could get DeCastro and somehow get another talented tackle, I would do cartwheels.

by higgige7 on Feb 13, 2012 9:50 AM CST reply actions

Who?

G Darryl Harrison

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by Tarkus on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 AM CST reply actions

Brandon Albert says hi :)

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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

he was projected as an OT in the NFL

DeCastro isnt

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions

I bet he'd still be a better RT than B-Rich

Not that I advocate drafting DeCastro to play RT

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

Albert was a hell of a good G prospect in his own right

Word was he could make the transition but it was still a gamble

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 13, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions

I don’t remeber seeing the FA class of tackles being anything terribly inpressive. I would be shocked if we didn’t take a RT in the first round this year.

by Topchief1 on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions

agreed

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions

how about trading back with cincinatti for their 17 and 23

Then we could have Albert, decastro, Hudson, asamoah, and a first round right tackle. Lol no chance it happens but trading for cincinattis two first founders is my dream scenario

by Dakota23 on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions

I think everyone is hoping for those 2 picks

people seem to assume they’ll want Richardson enough to trade up

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions

I just wanna say...

Comment threads like this are the reason AP is the best football blog on the web.

Thank you for informative, relevant arguments that do not revolve nicknames, conspiracies, or the definition of a true fan.

That said, I’m officially on the DeCastro train. As you’ve said, don’t want two rookie starters o the line, so if I get just one, he’s the best week 1 play. IMHO.

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by juvatbull on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions

Agreed on everything u said here

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

CHIEFS WILL!

by NJChieffan16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Let's remember, that unless the Chiefs draft an O-lineman in Rd 1

any player they draft in rounds 2 onward are likely to sit for a year. Hudson sat, Asamoah sat, Richardson say a couple seasons. The Chiefs are likely only able to find 1 immediate starter from this draft IF they go O-line round 1.

by Dagda on Feb 13, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions

Asamoah and Hudson only sat because the Chiefs had someone else they could plug-in ahead of them as a stop gap.

If the Chiefs go RT in round 2, you can almost be assured he’ll be the starter.

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by MtHammer on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

I'm with Dadga

I don’t see them starting more than ONE rookie on the OL.

and that’s probably the first rounder… unless they don’t take an OL until the 2nd round.

They’ll be fine starting Lilja one more year…and (anticipating lightning bolts) I wouldn’t be shocked if they started Richardson as well, at least until the rookie was “ready”

by stagdsp on Feb 13, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Pioli’s only immediate change to the starting O line is Bicknell.

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by Brsrkr on Feb 13, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions

Trade down with Cincy at 21 and pick up their 2nd rd choice.

With pick 21 bet Cordy Glenn who can play either RT or LG.
With 2a pick QB Wheeden and 2b get Fleener or Charles.
In the third rd. get OG Ziegler.
Albert-Lilja/Zietler-Hudson-Asamoah-Glenn

by Mustang fever on Feb 27, 2012 8:07 AM CST reply actions