Chiefs Should Keep Close Watch On Saints Free Agency Situation
by Matt Conner on Feb 12, 2012 10:57 AM CST
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PrintWhile the Chiefs have a couple of highly coveted free agent targets to take care of already, the New Orleans Saints also have a situation brewing with three names and (likely) not enough money for everyone. It's a situation in the Big Easy that a team like the Chiefs should pay close attention to.
The names involved are all major players: Drew Brees, Marques Colston and Carl Nicks. There's no doubt the team will negotiate a new long-term deal with its star quarterback. But the question marks come in when discussing Colston and Nicks. One is a star receiver who could become the main attraction in the open market. The other is a star guard who could also become the prime offensive lineman available.
Dan Pompei discussed Colston's situtation in today's Sunday Blitz at the National Football Post:
It’s possible Marques Colston will be a former Saint in the near future. The Saints have made no attempts to re-sign the star wide receiver up to this point. The front office has been pre-occupied with trying to work out a new deal for Drew Brees. If the Saints can’t sign Brees, they likely will use the franchise tag on him, giving them one less way to retain Colston. Also complicating the issue is the pending free agency of guard Carl Nicks. Given the cash outlay this team will be facing, the Saints may have to choose between Colston and Nicks.
The Chiefs could be affected in one of two ways on this one. If the team decides to stick with Nicks and Brees and consequently let Colston walk this off-season, there's suddenly some significant competition for Dwayne Bowe. It's possible that Colston's available could bring Bowe's price down a tad. It's a simple case of supply and demand, so another top shelf receiver hits the market.
Nicks is another case entirely as he could (and should) be the type of impact player the Chiefs could bring in along the offensive line. No matter what else is happening along the offensive line -- whether Casey Wiegmann retires or not, whether the Chiefs keep Ryan Lilja -- Nicks would become a great addition.
The Pro Bowl guard would immediately change the face of the line and allow the Chiefs to have depth in 2012 -- something they never had in 2011 when Steve Maneri was the first back-up at tackle and Rodney Hudson backed up all three interior positions. Lilja could become valuable in depth and help in case Hudson somehow isn't ready after his rookie season.
Either way, the Saints FA situation should affect the Chiefs in some way. It's one of several interesting plots to follow in the upcoming NFL free agency period.
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it'll be interesting to watch
But, I’ll say I again, I don’t think the Chiefs will win the bidding war for Nicks
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 11:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Me neither
I think Dallas will get him.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
If that's the case
We could probably trade back with Cincy to #17 & still land DeCastro
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I think trading down would be nice gamble to take
Best case scenrio: DeCastro is still there
Worst case scenario: Draft a RT
Either way, we likely land a high-level O-Lineman for the next 10-12 years.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I'd love that scenario
as long as we go TE in the second. If we were somehow able to snag Nicks in Free agency then I’d be disappointed if we did anything other than trade down, well unless Reiff is sitting there
Brees in KC....
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 12, 2012 11:01 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
he can throw bombs to the tooth fairy
While Santa Claus converts on short yardage
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 11:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Pioli should call up and offer him 200 mil 5 yr
With 75 mil guaranteed. Post haste.
by bossmanham on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Give him the biggest contract in league history without even batting an eye
To say the least.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i am sure the Saints wont even let him sniff FA
Nor would he consider leaving
Or if he did, NO would match any offer
He’s not going anywhere
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 11:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
I’m not even thinking of him as a (potential) free agent. To me he’s a Saint working out the final details of his next contract.
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
Worst case, he will be franchise tagged
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 12, 2012 11:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If he does, he's on the market
And I would give up to first round picks in a heartbeat to get to sign that guy.
There’s no way they let that happen. Because someone WILL give up the two first rounders to sign him.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
just because the picks are offered doesn't mean the Saints have to trade
they can franchise and still keep him.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I agree hes not going anywhere
but if Im the Chiefs with the space that they have Im throwing so much money at him that he blinks just to send a message that we are willing to spend $$$ to get what we want.
-After this OC fiasco if the Chiefs dont WIN a playoff game in 2012 FIRE SCOTT PIOLI-
-Kool Aid drinking Cassel Believer-
(7-9) My record of picking Chiefs games before the season
(12-4) My Chiefs before the season prediction
Thunder Win-Loss 2011-2012 record (52-14)
Western division champs
NBA Champs over Miami Heat
And then lose a draft pick for tampering
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
I'm not sure even Santa Claus
could convert short yardage with out OL.
where does Mims fit into this fantasy
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 2:44 AM CST up reply actions
Do the Saints come to town this season?
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
but hes too short he'll never be an NFL QB
-After this OC fiasco if the Chiefs dont WIN a playoff game in 2012 FIRE SCOTT PIOLI-
-Kool Aid drinking Cassel Believer-
(7-9) My record of picking Chiefs games before the season
(12-4) My Chiefs before the season prediction
Thunder Win-Loss 2011-2012 record (52-14)
Western division champs
NBA Champs over Miami Heat
I gotta say, this
so another top shelf receiver shits the market.
Is one of the more disturbing images AP has ever put in my brain.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
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by MtHammer on Feb 12, 2012 11:25 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
I didn't even see that when I read over it.
Nice catch
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 12, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Oh crap!
Good (brown) eye!
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
by Tarkus on Feb 12, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm gonna be honest with you, Tarkus.
Those were some pretty shitty puns.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Perhaps he...
Pulled them out of his ass?
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by ArrowSpread on Feb 12, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Scat's funny.
"We want guys that start their careers with the Chiefs to play for us as long as possible." - Clark Hunt
Corrected.
haha, thanks man. Can’t believe that.
by Matt Conner on Feb 12, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
There is such a huge gap between Marques Colston and Dwayne Bowe
I’d never forgive this franchise if they were to replace Bowe with Colston
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 12, 2012 11:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Not only are his numbers better than Colston's
But, Huard, Croyle, Thigpen, Cassel, and Palko were his QB’s. Drew Brees is one of if not the best regular season QB’s in the league of the past decade. You all are off your rocker if you think the two even remotely compare. He dropped one pass against Oakland and you guys act like he’s the scum of the earth. Despicable.
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 12, 2012 12:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Might want to double check your numbers if you're going with that argument.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
How did he drop 12 passes?
Are they counting every time he put a finger tip on the ball? And if he did drop 12 passes, how many were actually significant?
All I’m saying is Dwayne Bowe has gotten the double teams for the majority of his career and has had horrible QB play in comparison to Marques Colston. Marques Colston is a top 20 WR, but I dont see how anybody could trust him being the focal point of an offense like Dwayne Bowe.
by JC25FoMVP on Feb 12, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I posted some links below if you wanna look further into it
Bowe catches 57% of the balls thrown his way, Colston catches 75%
i also dont think Bowe was 2nd in the league in drops this year
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
hmm
Google PFF WR drop rate?
Breaston and Colston are top 10 lowest drop rate… bowe is NOT on the list of worst (highest) drop rates
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
21st isnt "2nd in the league in drops"
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
sure
But, again Megatron and Fitz were on that list too… so measuring a WR by total # of “drops” is questionable at best
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
my bad
That was on the completion percentage
But, still
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i take that back
I was talking about “passes not caught”
Fitz and Calvin were there w Bowe
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
too many stats to twist in anyones favor
I use them as a guideline. And I see Bowe drop too many passes, especially in crunch time
and those guys werent on the list
Of best completion %
But, I would take em
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, i'm looking at that link
I see Colston near the top and I don’t see Bowe anywhere. How does this change anything?
see above
They list the 10 best and 10 worst
Bowe is not among them… which leads me to believe he’s NOT the 2nd worst pass dropper in the league.
I also think drops are a tricky stat, as it’s subjective whether it was the QBs fault or, WR
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i havent seen an attitude issue out of Bowe
And, he’s put up great #s with mediocre-to-craptastic QBs.
It was VERY clear that he is a HUGE part of KCs offese… so, trying to poke holes in his game and character are pointless
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
What kind have attitude have you seen out of Bowe the last couple seasons?
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by ArrowSpread on Feb 12, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because Haley wasn't letting it fly
I think with a more lenient coach like RAC he can get out of hand again. Especially if he gets a big payday
haha, yeah
I have been wrong WAY more than right when trying to predict things w KC
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You keep throwing this drop stat out without any context
Brees throws a much more catchable than ANYone that has EVER thrown to Bowe.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Feb 12, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
PFF looks at all drops and if it was on the QB they dont count it as a drop by the reciever.
thats actually a great site and where they have bowe is where he probably should be. pretty sure they have him as the #12 overall reciever anyone know where they have colston?
he's talking about a different list
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The guy throwing the ball factors in quite a bit
Fitz was arguably the best receiver in the league when Warner was chucking him the rock.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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by ArrowSpread on Feb 12, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Huge gap?
How so?
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
If you go look at Colstons numbers
you would probably think the gap vanished
by TheScreenName on Feb 12, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that Colston's numbers are inflated by a great QB
That said, he’s still clearly a very good WR, who’s got good size, good speed, and great hands.
If Bowe walked and we got Colston I wouldn’t be thrilled, but I wouldn’t be devasted either. Colston is the inferior WR, but not so much so that it’d be worth getting too mad about.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
I dont think there is amuch of a gap between Colston and Bowe
but I think Bowe with a great QB, would be crazy good.
Yea I dont think I would be too mad either at the move. Rather keep Bowe but things happen
by TheScreenName on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Let Bowe walk and sign Colston
Guy is quiet, and unbelievably hard worker, and rarely drops a ball. I would personally much rather have Colston than Bowe. Under a lenient coach like RAC, Bowe could become a distraction again
by RamX21 on Feb 12, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
agreed
Bowe is twice the receiver Colston is.
by franzbot on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
was agreeing with JC25’s original statement. must have hit wrong button or something. Bowe is head and shoulders above Colston in my opinion. similar #’s with very different QB situations.
by franzbot on Feb 12, 2012 11:44 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Same numbers, half as many drops
and only started 7 games last year. Sounds like Colston is better than Bowe just based on numbers
very different situations
colstons came from one of the most prolific passing offenses and Bowes came from one of the most pathetic. think if Bowe had breed;-)
by franzbot on Feb 12, 2012 11:54 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
brees not breed
stupid auto correct
by franzbot on Feb 12, 2012 11:55 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Think if Colston played on a team where there wasn't 3-4 high quality WRs?
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Colston is good and plays a similar system
Colston drops quite a bit also. I think Bowe is slightly better than him, but both should sign for about the same money, so why gamble?
Just re-sign Bowe.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Link on Colston dropping "quite a bit"?
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
agree that Colston doesnt drop many
But Bowe’s drops are blown out of proportion, and should no longer be an issue
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if you think Bowe's drops were a significant issue this year
You didn’t se the play of the: QB, RT, SS “depth”, FS “depth”, LG, TE “depth”
I think there are CLEARLY things for this team to worry about, Bowe isn’t one of them
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Colston had as many significant drops as Bowe.
Though I guess when the game is 31-9 at halftime those drops become insignificant.
Go Chiefs!!!!
by ravenhawk on Feb 12, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed.
Somebody will overpay for Bowe. It’ll come down to money. Both are good blocking WRs but Colston is more consistent and drops less. He is, however, injured more (but that Saints turf is tough… see Willie Roaf). There are other receivers out there besides just these two. Bowe is very replaceable. I’m real high on Laurent Robinson but he may be a slot receiver/#3 or #4. That dude was money last season. Of course he had Romo throwing to him. I’m not sure it matters who our receivers are with Cassel. He only throws to one of them, usually the #1 and possibly a TE outlet or RB. Orton spreads the ball around and makes the defense earn their money. We need a real QB to attract some of these WRs. I think we have to resign orton as a priority and then sort out the WRs after the crazy money gets thrown around. None of the good ones are going to want to play with Cassel. I’m all for signing Nicks regardless and a good NT Soliai?, too.
I think I would rather have bowe still.
thought I read colston drops balls also, I would have to assume bowe is bigger faster stronger and if they both drop balls give me bowe.
Bowe was 2nd in the league in drops last year
Colston wasn’t even in the top 20. So worst case scenario Bowe drops twice as many balls as Colston, literally
Ok, again. not more productive and based on playing time he is actually less productive
I’m gonna say there is probably no difference in strength or blocking ability. Just admit you’re blindly supporting Bowe for no other reason than you like him more and we can end this silly debate.
More productive?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
He does have the benefit of playing with brees but also sees less snaps and less targets then Bowe.
They’re actual numbers for an normal season are probably about equal but Colston does it with about 40-50% less targets.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
These are 2 pretty good stats, not an all telling story but a good glimpse
This is percentage of passes caught: Check for Colston
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=055
This is number of passes not caught: Check for Bowe
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=107
Bowe has Matty & Tyler throwing to him
Colston has the most accurate passer in NFL history. Put Bowe in NO & people would be calling him the best WR in the league.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
If Colston didn't have to split targets with about 5 other serious weapons
the same could be said about him
Maybe you're right, honestly I've never paid close attention to him
I doubt he’ll be a Saint next year (because of the 5 other targets), so I guess we’ll see.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
What about health?
Colston seems a little injury prone. IMO drops are hard to gauge between the two due to The QB situation. Bree’s leads the receiver and puts the ball on the right shoulder almost every time. Yes Bowe drops what look like easy catches but most of the time the ball is in the wrong place. Now at the sametime IMO I don’t think that is an excuse. I think they are both great receivers and honestly I would like to keep home grown talent first.
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by groundedchevy on Feb 12, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Colston broke his collar bone once
And Ronde Barber broke his thumb with his helmet on a hit. Thats about it as far as injuries go
Good QBs have a way of making WRs look a lot better than they are
I think Colston is good, but no reason why you go with him over Bowe.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
The guy has yet to start for 16 games in a season...
He gets banged a bit more than you let on. Quite a bit more than your collarbone-thumb report.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Check the 'Games Started (GS)' column...
of pro football reference.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ColsMa00.htm
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
That works also
Check the ‘GS’ column. The one for games started.
Actually, NFL.com has him at one less game started (again, ‘GS’), than pro football reference.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
yea, can't find where I got the first numbers
but starts don’t indicate if he was healthy or not. It’s number of games played in
Seems to me the #1 would start every game possible.
At any rate, I know for a fact he’s had to have his knee scoped, which you left off your collarbone-thumb report.
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by ArrowSpread on Feb 12, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone in the nfl gets scoped at one time or another
and not true, NO runs different offensive packages all the time, so if he wasn’t on the field for the very first play what does that matter? He’s been over a thousand yards every year except the thumb year.
And Brees has thrown to him the whole time.
Or does that not matter… ? Does a more accurate quarterback increase the production of his receivers?
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by ArrowSpread on Feb 12, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right...
So when making the case of which is a better receiver, that’s just as much in the forefront of the conversation.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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All of this really doesn't matter, anyway.
Bowe would be a better receiver with Brees throwing to him, without a doubt. Colston would be a worse receiver with Cassel/Palko/Huard/Thigpen/Brodie throwing to him. Without a doubt.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
exactly
Colston is never doubled due to his supporting cast and his offense. Bowe is always having coverage atleast rolled his way. Colston is good but his success has been inflated do to his situation. I would worry about the drop off with him in our offense. Bowe has proven he can be our 1wr.
by franzbot on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
before he had such a supporting cast
he set the record for the most receptions in his first 2 seasons in NFL history
So if Colston is sharing the field with 'serious weapons'
is it safe to say he isnt the only focus of the opponents defence as Bowe has been
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
very true
but he is clearly their number 1 receiver so he gets the attention of defenses. I could argue that other people are more productive because of him and not the other way around.
he is NO's #1
and is a solid reciever. I would love to have him in KC. I just think that the numbers wouldnt be so comparable if the situations were.
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe is a #1 WR as well
And one of the most valuable players on the Chiefs… the offense doesn’t work without him
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you cant honestly tell me you dont see a difference
Watch the game late this year where Bowe was out the 2nd half… the offense went from moving the ball to not moving it real quick… happens every time he’s out.
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know i know. I was more joking there
I’m not saying Bowe isn’t a really good receiver. He is. I’m just saying in my humble opinion Colston is better
Colston is great for NO
Bowe is better for KC, IMHO
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
notice 3 recievers for NO was ranked top 20 in the drop rate as best?
think maybe brees and the NO system has something to do with that?
perhaps
Like how all Colts WRs were awesome until Peyton got hurt…
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You know that does make you think a little?
kind of scares you a little knowing it could be a system helping colston just like a system can hurt someone like ochocinco, I think I would much rather stay with bowe we already know what he is all about and its not bad at all when you think about it.
And another thing is
I can think of 3 games right off the top of my head that we lost as a direct result of Bowe dropping a ball
You have to be kidding
would you agree there is a LARGE difference in QB quality that each of those recievers have?
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
and Brees is awesome.
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
bowe's in the company of Fitz and Megatron on that link
Pretty much means it’s a non-issue
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
bowe's drop percentage is pretty low
He IS targeted a lot
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying you are wrong about Bowe and Colston...
But those are absolutely horrible stats. They count every single limp noodle armed pass that palko threw in the direction of Bowe. Those two sites have the worst QB bias that you could possibly find, because they don’t even tell you how many passes hit each receiver in the hands.
True believer?
Colston is ranked #5 on PFF
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Nicks is a luxury
why pay top dollar for a G when that’s a position that’s pretty easy to address late in the draft. Pioli has also proven his eye for OL.
With who? Collin Brown?
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 12, 2012 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd go with "proven."
It seems like Asamoah has worked out very well, we’ll have to see about Hudson.
Neither of them were late round picks, though.
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i think Asamoah and Hudson are both studs
The 2nd/3rd round is a clear sweet spot for interior OL picks
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, having one of the top, if not THE top interior lineman in the NFL is luxury pick
Especially when our LG gets thrown around like a ragdoll most of the time
Why?
Regarded by many as the best Guard in the game right now – has a mean streak and plays with ferocity. On top of that, he’s not very old at 26, so he has many years of production ahead of him. He’s never missed a single game and he’s a physical monster – 6’5" 343 lbs.
Now, that being said I doubt we go after him, but I wouldn’t bat an eye if we did and I wouldn’t care if we paid out the nose to get him (as long as it wasn’t at the expense of other needs).
Nicks, Hudson, and Asamoah in the interior… ho-leeee-shit.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 12, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm ok with getting Colston is Bowe leaves town through walking or trade
Colston+Carr > Bowe+no Carr
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
No way Thomas hits open market.
And he’s not even in the same realm as Carr for quality.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
why not? they have aaron ross and prince they drafted from nebraska?
besides thomas was hurt last year. should be cheaper maybe.
Ross is a FA
I just think they’ll go with Thomas over Ross and really for the money Carr is eons more value then either of those two guys.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
seems totally off subject but, reading about nicks makes me wonder?
personally I dont want nicks for the price he wants even if we do have all the money in the world right now but, I do want grubbs who should cost a ton also but not as much as nicks, question is what are the odds grubbs hits the market? good? not good? why will he leave, why will he stay?
figured I would ask this in a comment rather than post since its so small and kind of pointless.
Almost 100% chance he hits the open market
They’re hand is pretty forced when it comes to franchise tag because of Ray Rice
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Their*
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
The only way I wouldnt be completely P.o.'d if the Chiefs let go of Bowe
Would be if he was replaced with Coldton or Vincent Jackson. I think Bowe is much better then both but at least then I wouldn’t be completely flat out mad
Charles, Mccluster, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Carr= Super Bowl Bound.
by AaronMannicci on Feb 12, 2012 11:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Remember if we let Bowe go and get one of those guys....
There’s a very good chacnce we get an extra 3rd rounder in next years draft.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Don't get compensatory picks if you also sign free agents
It has to be a net loss. So if the only move we made was lose Bowe and sign Colston we likely wouldn’t get a pick.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 12, 2012 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
We'll be losing enough FAs this year to get comp picks.
I can see alot of guys being allowed to walk. Not to mention if you’re going to lose a guy like Bowe and Orton, with the potential of those comp picks being high, Pioli will make sure he gets them.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Colston+3rd rounder > Bowe.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I hear you
He sat a whole year because of temper tantrum… probably not a team player. I’d stay away from him, too.
Question, Nicks or Soliai?
They’ll both get similar money, so which one would make the Chiefs a better team?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Simillar money?
Nicks will be the highest paid guard in the league and will get somewhere in the range of 10+M$. Soiliai is a 1-2 down NT who has a limited market and likely won’t get much more then 6-7 and thats probably being generous..
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
But I’d also rather have Soliai. I think he fills a bigger need (and one that’s hard to draft for).
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by MtHammer on Feb 12, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Soliai(with Carr being re-signed) takes this defense from on the brink of greatness to top 5.
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by GenericBrand on Feb 12, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
RAC'd for truth.
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especially if we draft...
DeCastro… It’s probably not worth it to pay a guard that much money. A tackle, however, yes. We HAVE to fix that RT spot! WEe had to last year, too, but Pioli sat in his circle-jerk. I can understand why Haley might’ve been pissed about not having an NFL right tackle seeing as Pioli has had three drafts and three offseasons to address the issue.
8 years.
That is how long it takes to draft a ‘complete’ team.
The 2-14 cr@p fest that Pioli & Co. took over had MANY holes, so I am not going to be all up in arms because he addressed other needs first.
by DivineGrace on Feb 12, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Absolutely true
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
sign nicks to help the oline when peyton manning comes to KC
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Colston and Bowe are two very good receivers, but give me Bowe any day.
Colston has injury history. Bowe has played in 75 of 80 regular season games (in 5 seasons), and Colston has missed 31 games in 6 seasons.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 12, 2012 12:19 PM CST reply actions
correction
and Colston has missed 31 games in 6 seasons.
Colston did play in some of those games, he just didn’t start. Point still stands, the injury bug is there.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 12, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
And players don't typically get healthier with age
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
One year he broke his collar bone
another year he broke his thumb. I wouldn’t really say that he’s injury prone
point taken
regardless of injuries he has been extremely productive.
With that said, if MC is the guy here next year, you have to think familiarity rules.
Personally, I’m okay with any true number #1 WR, and Bowe or Colston would give us that.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 12, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Theres a couple things that I like more with Colston
He doesn’t drop the ball and he is a quiet hard worker. Guy never opens his mouth. In the mold of an Andre Johnson, Fitz, or Calvin Johnson
It would only be an attempt to fix something that's not broken.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
not necessarily true
If Bowe wants too much money, or doesn’t wanna be here, that position is pretty broken.
It would only be an attempt to fix something that’s not [yet] broken.
Of course, your scenario would make sense if that happened to be the case.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 12, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe never opens his mouth.
Barely heard anything from him since importing. A lot of the times those WRs you speak of that open there mouths are usually the ones who complain about dealing with bad QBs or not getting enough money. Bowe fits both those categories and hasn’t complained or said anything public about i. And Bowe is a hard worker. Trained with Fitz to lift his game to the next level.
I think Todd Haley really had an effect on him
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
I like him
but he is injury-prone, there’s no point in dancing around that.
Excellent point
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
if the chiefs sign peyton when he gets released, it becomes an easier sell to get bowe signed.
Why the chiefs haven’t locked up carr, is real strange, what more do the chiefs need to see, pay the man both carr and bowe.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Takes two sides to make a deal.
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yes it does, but it makes it easier to sell
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 12, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I've gotta feeling Carr hits the market if we don't franchise him
Dude wants to get paid, and rightfully so. He’s been making fifth round money until this last year.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
tom benson of the saints is real cheap owner, screwed ditka out of money when he was the coach.
Don’t rule out the fact that the saints could screw the brees thing up, and be able to see the free agent market while being tagged.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
That would be a colossal F-up
I can’t imagine why they would let that happen, but if it does… hoooooey.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 12, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
If they tag Brees, and we don't make an offer
I will literally scream.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Highly doubt it
Brees wouldn’t be the guy to demand outragous money from the team. He has a strong connection with his players and the city. He wouldn’t want to leave NO over money.
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 2:44 AM CST up reply actions
They will keep Brees and Nicks
Great QBs make great recievers. You can’t alwys find great lineman, but if you have a QB like Brees Payton Mannig or Rodgers it’s amazing how all of a sudden you have all these great recievers.
Sure seems like the wise path if you can only sign two of them.
They can easily draft a WR that would put up good numbers in that offense.
Everybody wants to be a GM
Look, the smartest thing to do is develop talent in-house and then keep that talent. Why are we talking about letting Dwayne Bowe walk to sign Colston? Bowe has basically had you, me and the ballboy as his QB and yet is elite.
Sign Bowe and Carr, get healthy, and draft well. This team will be fine.
You want to see a huge difference in the team? Man up, trade up, RGIII
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
agreed on all counts
Keep Bowe, Carr, McClain, Gilberry, Dorsey, Albert, etc
Trade picks for Rg3, sign Soliai in FA
by stagdsp on Feb 12, 2012 2:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Or trade Dorsey and see what
we have in Allen Bailey. Or sign Rogers. I’m okay with that scenario too.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Rec
Except MAYBE on Dorsey/Gilberry.
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by MNchiefsfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe>>>>>Colston
If we let Bowe go just to sign this guy I’ll be fuckin PISSED.
by KCinIL on Feb 12, 2012 3:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
We won't know if the Chiefs "let him walk"
In any event, the Chiefs shouldn’t exit FA without a legit #1 WR to go with Baldwin and breaston. They have options in Bowe, Colston, Vincent Jackson, and Lloyd. I’d rather keep Bowe, but won’t be pissed unless we exit FA needing to draft a WR when we have other needs to focus on.
If we get the world for him, I've always said I could understand why
But replacing him with Colston and a rookie, I just think we’ll be searching again next year for Bowes replacement. I think Colstons way over-rated
Fuck the Raiders...
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by KCChef on Feb 12, 2012 3:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If you ask any NFL GM, guaranteed they take Bowe over Colston
Out of his two first seasons (both for 1000 yards) his best QB was Tyler Thigpen. You wouldve never even heard of Marques Colston had he been in Bowe’s situation. And then Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko for his next 3 seasons. Matt Cassel’s best day doesnt remotely compare to Drew Brees’ worst day and Tyler Palko’s best day doesn’t remotely compare to Matt Cassel’s worst day so what does that tell you about the QB play Bowe has had?
The only Saints the Chiefs should be watching are
Shaun Rogers, Aubrayo Franklin, and possibly Robert Meachum. You can guarantee Brees and Nicks will get locked up long term, and I don’t believe Brees is okay with losing one (possibly two) of his favorite targets.
If Brees settles for less, Colston gets a new deal and they possibly find a way to keep Meachum there as well.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
by shotty on Feb 12, 2012 4:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Also I think they keep Chase Daniels
although I’d personally like to see the Chiefs go after if possible.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Isn't Daniels a restricted free agent?
not sure about trading picks for a back up QB who hasn’t proved anything
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 AM CST up reply actions
You are correct, I missed that
I don’t know that he’d be worth trading picks for or not. If he was an UFA I wouldn’t mind them picking him up.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Colston product of system
Look at what the Saints do, they spread the field on early downs and let Brees operate with what he sees. Put Colston in a 2 WR set for a lot of snaps like we do and he will struggle. He’s not near the run blocker Bowe is nor is he a guy that defenses stay up worrying about. Bowe is a matchup nightmare and for all of those that complain about the drops, how about the great catches, like the TD in Indy.
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