Arrowheadlines: Chiefs News 2/11
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Feb 11, 2012 7:03 AM CST
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Good morning. Here's your Kansas City Chiefs news.
Nearly 8,000 homes were destroyed in the single deadliest tornado to hit the United States since 1950 and thousands of Joplin residents remain homeless nearly a year later.
Players, coaches, alumni, broadcasters and front office staff members from each organization will serve alongside fans and volunteers to help build 35 new homes divided into seven different neighborhoods. The construction of the seven neighborhoods will be spearheaded by an individual team and their fans.
Chiefs Team-Up For Governor's Joplin Challenge from The Mothership
I think it is a smart move for the Chiefs to at least see what Routt is looking for and to give themselves options in case they think Carr will leave. Because there is so much interest in Routt, this process could take some time.
Chiefs' Interest In Routt Makes Sense from ESPN
The person, who requested anonymity, said Bicknell met with Kansas City earlier this week.
It's unclear where the Chiefs, who must replace the recently retired Bill Muir, are in the interview process and where Bicknell stands among the list of candidates.
Giants Assistant Jack Bicknell Interviewing For Kansas City Chiefs' Offensive-Line Coaching Spot from NJ.com
Unless Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III defy the trend of top-rated quarterbacks choosing not to throw at the Scouting Combine, talent evaluators are going to have a tough time seeing both throw prior to the 2012 draft.
That's because Stanford and Baylor have each scheduled their on-campus "Pro Day" workouts on March 22, according to a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter.
The conflicting schedule could force teams to split up their decision-makers to take in the workouts.
Stanford, Baylor Each Schedule March 22 Pro Days from CBS Sports
Kansas City center Casey Wiegmann
Comment: Wiegmann, 38, has considered retirement the past few seasons and he has always come back for one more season. It could happen again. The word is, though, Wiegmann may take his time on his decision.
AFC West Retirement Watch from ESPN
Dwayne Bowe was Kansas City's No. 1 receiver when Phil Emery was with Kansas City Chiefs personnel. Bowe has shown some toughness questions, which won't play well in the meeting rooms of coach Darryl Drake and offense of Mike Tice, and his 4 catches for 49 yards didn't include the Hail Mary this season.
Buyer Beware: Top Wide Receivers On The Market from CSN Chicago
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When can teams start using their tags?
lot of guys in this list get tagged, ie ray rice. Carr #2, Bowe #9. Clark is too cheap to sign both, expect to be disappointed.
I don't know why you'd say that
2 years ago, Johnson and Charles were resigned in the same offseason. Then, last offseason, Hali and Flowers were both resigned. If this offseason is like previous ones, we should expect nothing less than both Bowe and Carr being resigned.
I don't either
In the last two years, that “cheap” guy spent $195 million in contract EXTENTIONS to current players.
I’m sick of the “cheap” talk shit, because that’s all it is. They’ll both get paid, unless Carr is asking for something that is flat out crazy. If he wants more than Flowers, he’s not getting it.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
I think it is more likely Bowe asks for a crazy number.
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Ten years of salary
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Feb 11, 2012 11:01 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Ten years of salary figures disagree with you.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Feb 11, 2012 11:02 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Don't tell Lamar. It will upset him to know he was dead so long ago
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
$'s Spent on Depth would also disagree with them
i just dont think its going to happen. JC didn’t sign for a ton. I’m being pessimestic, but i just dont see it happening, hope i’m wrong.
He's worth every bit as much as Flowers
I’d offer him the same deal. Keep the tandem together for the next 4-5 years through their primes making the same amount. That way neither can be jealous of the other.
I feel like John "Moon" Mullen is seriously underestimating Dwayne Bowe here.
Yes, he had 4 catches for 49 yards at the Bears, but he also had 5 for 101 at Detroit, 5 for 107 and a TD against Minnesota, 7 for 128 and 2 TDs at Indianapolis, and 6 for 93 at Denver (and he probably would have had a lot more in that game if hadn’t gotten hurt early). Overall he averaged 7 catches for 72.44 yards a game this season; that’s one decent drive by himself. Also, the hail mary was to Dexter McCluster, so Bowe shouldn’t be discredited because of plays he didn’t have anything to do with.
P.S. No, I don’t want the Chiefs to let Bowe go. Jamaal Charles aside, he’s their most dangerous offensive weapon. I’m just saying if they do, he’s more valuable than Mullen is giving him credit.
"Either you get better, or you get worse." -Marty Schottenheimer
by The Green Tomahawk on Feb 11, 2012 7:58 AM CST reply actions
Totally agree
Here’s a guy that got 1,000 yards AGAIN, with three different QB’s, and that included four games of Palko throwing to him. Also, you’re right about the Denver game. He was abusing Woodson.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Exactly
I think teams interested in Bowe are smart enough to take into consideration who has been throwing him the ball.
Even in his best years, he’s had an average QB.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
I'm a Cassel fan
But do you think he would have come in handy for Brady in the SB? Look for the Patriots to go after young, talented wide outs this off-season.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
I can see the Pats going for Bowe.
They need a true wide receiver on that team, and the Chiefs are part of the Belicheck network now with Pioli. I dont want to trade him but if we cant sign him then a sign and trade/franchise and trade would be acceptable. I want at least a 1st for him though, maybe a 1st and a 3rd.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 11, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
The thing about Bowe to the Patriots is, he's a fit in so far as they need another reciever, but he doesn't really fix what's wrong with their receiving corps.
They have tough, possesion, run after the catch type guys already. What they’re lacking (in addition to somebody who isn’t a slot receiver or a TE who can be a true #1) is a speedy deep threat. They haven’t really had that since Randy Moss a few years ago.
99% of the time that’s fine. But then every once in a while you’re down 4 in the Super Bowl with less than a minute to go and you have trouble working the ball down the field because you don’t really have a vertical passing game.
Now Bowe’s probably fast enough, to help out in that respect. And certainly he can out jump and out muscle cornerbacks no matter how deep he is. But he’s not regularly going to be burning guys deep.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Err...
He’s not going to be burning guys deep on a regular basis, rather.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
I dont know if they need a speed receiver though.
They were winning the SB without a speed threat before, they were a completely different offense then but they were still there. When your receivers are: W. Welker, J. Edelman, D. Branch, and C. Ochocinco I think you need anyone with some size who can get open (looking at you Ocho)/
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 11, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Desean Jackso nwould be what they need. Whether or not that happens.. But hey, who would have thought they would hav signed Randy Moss?
They will need to give up a high pick to get Desean and I dont see that happening
And the Iggles wont let him walk either.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 11, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I honestly wouldn’t be shocked to see Philly let him loose. There’s a lot of bad blood there. But if you are implying a franchise tag and trade, that wouldn’t happen. Matt Cassel was the exception to the rule. Franchising a guy ties up that cap #, and a lot of teams can’t afford that.
If a long term deal could be reached with another team
then I could see the franchise and trade happening. We wont let a young pro-bowl player just walk, and there will be some team willing to deal. There are to many WR needy team out there right now. San Fran, Rams, Seahawks, Pats, Jags, Bucs, Browns, Bears, Vikes, Panthers, Redskins etc.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 11, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
If Bowe had been on the team
Chances are they never would have been down by four at any point. They have ZERO wide receivers on that team.
All things considered, what they did this year was amazing. They have no running back, no wide receivers, no defense, abosolutleye nobody in the secondary and they went 15-3 and lost the SB by four.
I give them all the credit in the world and that’s why they’re already the Vegas favorite for next year.
AFC- Texans, Pats, Chiefs….
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
McCourty and Chung are good
McCourty made a pro bowl in fact.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Feb 11, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Zero wide receivers?
Wes Welker led the NFL in receptions and was second only to Megatron in receiving yards.
And Arrington was tied for the lead in the NFL in INT’s.
They have holes, but to say they have nobody is all kinds of hyperbole.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Wes Welker is not an NFL Wide Out
Their two “deep threats” were Branch and Ocho Nobody. Those are not wide receivers.
OK, take Brady off the Pats and what do you have?
The Colts.
If they re-stock this off-season they will be very, very dangerous next year, like most years.
My point was, looking at them from top to bottom, it was amazing what they accomplished with what they have.
That’s why they’ve been to Five SB’s in Brady’s Ten years under center.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
You don't have to be a deep threat to be a wide receiver.
You’re right about them maximizing personnel on hand. It’s impressive.
But you’re just kind of making up things about receivers, and selling short some of their players.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
he was abusing champ bailey not woodson
by chiefsfan on Feb 11, 2012 9:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
sorry, you're correct
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
SURLEY NOT
I sure hope they dont let Bowe go,that would be a very dumb ass move.that man is a beast,he just needs somebody that can throw to him to where he can catch the ball.plus he needs somebody like him on the otherside to make it harder on teams to cover.
Really Moon?
I can’t remember the last game Bowe missed. The guy flat out abuses secondaries with punishing YACs. Thanks for diverting interest though.
That was the first thing I thought of. Which is why it pisses me off that people are paying so much attention to Carr. You have no idea if he can move into the #1 CB slot and still perform at a high level, one that he only obtained this year. But to put him at a #2 overall slot for Free Agents concerns me
And he has in recent years cleaned up all the off field foolishness. And to me at least his number of dropped balls has been decreasing. I’m a fan, I hope he stays.
If you are flammable and have legs...you are never blocking a fire exit-Mitch Hedberg
by Craiggotgame on Feb 11, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Moon?
Does he think these guys get in a room and look at film of guys games ONLY against the Bears?
What a tool.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by Zayla on Feb 11, 2012 8:52 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Vegas has a betting line on where Manning Goes
Chiefs are the lowest of the teams with a line at 1.5% chance.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Vegas is dumb too.
They had the Pats winning both Super Bowls against the Giants.
by bossmanham on Feb 11, 2012 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You apparently don't understand how betting lines work
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 11, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention, EVERYBODY had the Patriots winning the fist Super Bowl against the Giants.
I was, just the like most of the rest of the planet, rooting hard against New England but I thought that New York had almost literally no chance. And I didn’t know anyone else who thought they could win, either.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Not really, no.
But the Pats were ahead in both, oh you of missing the point.
by bossmanham on Feb 11, 2012 11:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Vegas doesn't pick winners
It sets lines to try to get equal action on both sides. If anything betters ate idiots, not the bookmaker
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 11, 2012 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup. Make it as enticing as possible to bet either way.
More money coming in is always better.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Whoever is the cause of the odds being stacked one way or the other is exactly who I was talking about.
I am willing to guess that the reason kc isn’t thought about is because very few people in the states care about the Chiefs.
by bossmanham on Feb 11, 2012 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sure I do, that's how it was reported in that particular article
You want to put it into betting lines based on percentages? Not very hard to do, it’s called, math.
The point, however, would be that the teams they consider “possible”, the Chiefs had the lowest percentage.
Okey dokey?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Until it's proven otherwise, I'm going to have major concerns with his neck and his arm strength.
Will his body hold up after several games’ worth of shots from defenders? And will he have the arm strength and accuracy he’s always had (or close to it)?
If he comes back as a taller, more expensive Chad Pennington….let someone else spend the money. A healthy Peyton would be worth every penny times ten, but if not, he’s JAG and the money would be better spent on Bowe, Carr, and the o-line.
Just my two cents’.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
by go_saleaumua on Feb 11, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Agree with you on that G-S, plus
Even when healthy, it’s been seen that a decent defense could rattle Manning out of his comfort zone (Chiefs did it even with so-so D’s at times). Soooo, how tentative will he be if he does play again, thinking about protecting his neck. Only a truly crazy person wouldn’t be affected by those kinds of thoughts when 300 lb men are bearing down on you….
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Feb 11, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
1.5% is way too low
i’d say its third likelist after cards and miami. peyton will not play for rex ryan. i don’t see dan synder or shanarat in the mix either.
If Bowe had passes come to him most of the time when he was open, and if the passes
were in stride (not on the ground or behind him) he’d have 2000 years including all of his yards after catch.
Are you saying that Matt Cassel is functionally inaccurate as a passer, and streaky to inept at reading coverages?
/cue up the Cassel defenders and hate accusations
The guy is a good athlete and holds the position up “ok.” But his play, or lack thereof, has cost Bowe, Breaston…hell, everyone on offense some money over the last three years.
Sounds to me like a backup passer and not much more.
Vermin Supreme in 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rji74B453JY
by go_saleaumua on Feb 11, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
amen
been saying he’s not good since we signed him. like i said, he sat behind Palmer and Leinert at USC, and they both suck imo. so what does that say for him. obviously he sux.
Predictions:
Chiefs will have a top 5 pass defense next season!!!
Tamba will lead the league in sacks.
Jamal Charles will lead the league in Rushing yards and YPC (again)
Argument FAIL
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Feb 11, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Tends to make me wonder...with the "competition at QB" statement whether Bowe had anything to
say about playing with a real QB since he had a small taste of it in the last 3 games….
“Get a decent QB or I’m outta here…”?
Nah, crazy talk .. :-)
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Feb 11, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Something tells me Bowe doesn't carry that kind of clout
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
No doubt...but I'd rather stay in my delusional world a bit longer with my ever-so-slim
thread of hope that we might actually get a real QB.
A girl can dream… ;-)
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Feb 12, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Saw this from Jamaal on the NFL home page!
I’m a 1 man wreckin Cru!!! #25 My knee is feeling great! Got my swag back. Way to go JC!
You Play to Win the game!!!
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