Arrowheadlines: Chiefs News 2/10
Good morning! Here is today's Kansas City Chiefs news. Enjoy.
Within the past 30 days the Chiefs have named a new head coach, hired a new offensive coordinator, ushered in a new special teams coach and hinted that
Matt Cassel would face competition at the quarterback position. Head Coach Romeo Crennel and General Manager Scott Pioli have also keyed an upgraded offensive line as an offseason priority and, while choosing their words carefully, have indicated they'd like to bring back unrestricted free agents
Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr back for another season (or more). Oh, and Phil Emery, the team's Director of College Scouting, is now the General Manager of the Chicago Bears.
On To 2012 from The Mothership
Control, always, was the Belichick way. He dispatched Terry Glenn without fanfare or ceremony in 2001, going so far as to ensure Glenn did not receive a championship ring despite playing four games that season. He cut the talented but some say troublesome Albert Haynesworth. It was the family way or the highway, and guys like Randy Moss and Chad Ochocinco were allowed in only if they understood. Once anyone did not - like Moss - they were out.
Not every political system lasts forever, and not everyone can be exported elsewhere. Ask Scott Pioli and the Kansas City Chiefs how the Patriots Way is playing in the Midwest.
Patriots Way Headed Down Rocky Path from FOX Sports
Willie Roaf joined ESPN 101 in St. Louis with Zach and the Coach (Rick Venturi) to talk about what it was like waiting for the Hall-Of-Fame call this past weekend, what it means to be a Hall-Of-Famer, what he would say to Will Shields, Cris Carter, and some of the other players that are waiting for their call, and what he thinks of the voting process.
Willie Roaf On Being Elected To The Hall-Of-Fame: "It Really Hasn't All Sunk In Yet" from SportsRadioInterviews.com
Haley, 44, who grew up in Upper St. Clair, was introduced to the media today at a noon press conference at the team's South Side facility,
"There's a lot of talk about systems, offense and defense, and I believe you do what gives you the best chance to succeed," Haley said. "If the best chance to succeed is running 63 times a game, you run 63 times a game.
"The transition is always, I don't want to say difficult, but there's an uncomfortable aspect to the newness. But that's not always a bad thing."
Haley: Steelers Offense Will Start With "Clean Slate" from The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Kansas City Chiefs: This makes some sense. The Chiefs sure sound like they're content with Matt Cassel and ready to keep him but he's been inconsistent in his career. The Chiefs have a lot of weapons offensively, including Jamaal Charles, so Manning would make this team a contender right away. You can't cross KC off the list but publicly they've given no indication they're serious about Manning.
Peyton Manning, The Free Agent: Examining Every Possible Option from SB Nation
And let's not forget: The Kansas City Chiefs, owned by Clark Hunt, son of team and & AFL founder Lamar Hunt, grandson of billionaire oil baron H.L. Hunt, have made the Playoffs in only 1 of the last 5 seasons and 3 of the last 14. So how have revenue sharing and the salary cap helped the football team in the city most often cited as having "no chance" in baseball?
Let's Talk About Parity, In Baseball And In Football from Uncle Mike's Musings
Fourteen years and three Super Bowl rings later, Izzo still wasn't ready to go. Not after a neck injury, and not after doctors told him he couldn't play anymore. Upon hearing his diagnosis of multiple herniations, Izzo still worked out for roughly nine months, hoping his neck would heal.
He had a workout with the Kansas City Chiefs in 2010, and after the doctor wouldn't clear him, he knew his career was over.
The Road To NFL Retirement from ESPN
The question of football's more profound meaning has been the constant theme in Oriard's academic career. Today he is the Distinguished Professor of American Literature and Associate Dean of the College of Liberal Arts at Oregon State. He also pens a regular column on Washington Post's football blog, The League.
His interest in football didn't come out of nowhere. In the late 1960s, Oriard was a walk-on center at Notre Dame who snapped the ball to Joe Theisman during their time in South Bend. In 1970 he joined the Kansas City Chiefs, where played for four seasons. He finished his football career with the Canadian Football League's Hamilton Tiger-Cats.
The Reading Room: Reading Football from Football Study Hall
Kansas City: This likely would only be a fit if the Chiefs don't plan to re-sign cornerback Brandon Carr. It could come down to the Chiefs deciding who is better. So I'm not sure if they'll really be in the mix.
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"Hinting that Matt Cassel would face competition"?
Yet some fans still claim Pioli is married to him, for better or worse??? I don’t get it.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
"I don’t get it."
I dont think Pioli does either…
I really wonder what he would actually do if Peyton had his agent call and wanted to talk to KC about playing here… I do think it would be a VERY private meeting somewhere on a neutral site. Pioli wouldnt want to let it be know he was talking ot Peyton (I would do the same thing because the PR aspect would be a nightmare)
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
What does Pioli not get exactly?
He traded for Cassel (applauded move), rolled with him through the bad in his first season with the team (trial by fire), saw the major improvement in his second season as well as his major regression in his third. So do tell, what is he not getting?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Alex Smith...
A situation like his is what could make Pioli think Cassel could be the guy. Alex Smith was considered a bust the past few seasons but then they get some consistency at OC and the team goes one game from being in the big one. And in that Niners/Saints playoff game it was Alex Smith who led the team to that win. Question is can he do it again next season when they face stiffer competition. So if I’m Pioli I’m sitting there wondering if Cassel’s problems stemmed from inconsistency at OC and having to deal with Haley’s apparent interfering with play calls. And with things a little more stable this season, including the return of key offensive players I’m looking to see improvement in Cassel’s play. For me though I’ve seen enough of Cassel’s abilities and to me his talent level is going to hold us back.
by RA_ChiefsFan on Feb 10, 2012 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and the niners also drafted a QB in the high 2nd round this last year too
So what does that tell you about the truth to putting competition into the QB position?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 8:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
ummm, until 2011 he played like a career backup
And actually, Cassel and Smith have nearly identical career stats
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Even more reason why their is no reason Pioli is strictly dedicated to Cassel
He isn’t developing much farther at 30, we have likely seen his ceiling, and the only path of growth at this point is stiffer competition
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 8:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
For the sake of the team I hope you're right.
It would be a shame to see the rising talent go to waste because Pioli kept having faith in Cassel. I’m not looking for a Peyton Manning trade or RGIII move. Just want some indication that they realize Cassel’s done all he can and the ceiling isn’t any higher.
by RA_ChiefsFan on Feb 10, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
Alex Smith didn't have consistency at OC last year
He had a new playbook that wasn’t very complex and the team believed in him this year. Also to get a jump on his new playbook, Harbaugh gave it to him before the lockout.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Really?
He trades a 2nd round pick AND pays $63mil to a QB who had a good year with one of the best offensive teams in the history of the NFL.
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He has pretty much had a pathetic year one, I will give it to him that he didnt have much around him at all. Not many QB’s would have done anything with that team. He did have 5 games under a 65 QB rating once JC took over and had a record breaking end of a season.
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He had a good if not great season(great by KC standards for our QB play). It is amazing what a great running game does for a QB. He was a great manager this year and was GREAT at throwing those 3 yard TD passes to pad the stats, hey but a TD is a TD anyway you look at it.
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He then take a huge step backwards when KC cant run the ball.
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In that ENTIRE span he hasnt gotten better with his pocket pressence, his ability to go through his progressions, or his ability to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack… BUT he is a hell of a guy and a great leader in the locker room.
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Lets see what Pioli does this offseason as far as the backup QB position then we can see if he gets it or not… If we go into the season with Stanzi as the backup then it is pretty safe to say Pioli doesnt get it. If he brings in a veteran as a quality backup and competition for the starting job then he gets it.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
And the alternative in 2009 at QB:
Thigpen/Croyle or Sanchez/Freeman.
Im thinking there really is no way anyone can justify either Thigpen or Croyle over Cassel, so please don’t try.
I would take Freeman, but considering where he was rated in that draft, no one expected him to have the potential ceiling he had displayed (although he too took a HUGE step back in 2011).
Sanchez was the #5 pick, and got a contract almost the exact same as Cassel’s. Pioli played the need for a QB and the draft in 2009 perfectly. He used a 2nd round pick on a QB he had actually seen play in the NFL and have him the same contract he would have given Sanchez if he took him 3rd overall in the draft. He had a justifiable reason to give the contract to Cassel instead of a rookie.
Genius. Unfortunately for all involved, neither Sanchez or Cassel really worked out, and time will tell on Freeman
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 8:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought Sanchez would be better than he is
I wonder if the situation is what has turned him into the QB he is now or it is actually him.
I wouldnt have touched Freeman with a 1st round pick (this is also coming from a KSU fan)
I was jumping around the room when I heard we traded for Cassel. It was the right move at the time. See my post below for the rest. No need to retype what I put down there.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Freeman's step back in 2011 was huge in terms of interceptions
His TD:INT ratio went to hell, but his completion %, yardage and rushing TDs all increased. I think he’ll be fine going forward.
Good point on the Cassel vs. Sanchez situation though, I really never looked at it from that perspective.
by Ochophosphate on Feb 10, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Freeman shoulda been our guy
He was born and raised in kc. Big, strong arm, hes got nothing to work with in Tampa. the fourth qtr comebacks are my favorite thing about him. Todd mcshay said that Freeman was going to be better than Sanchez.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 10, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pants on fire
In that ENTIRE span he hasnt gotten better with his pocket pressence, his ability to go through his progressions, or his ability to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack… BUT he is a hell of a guy and a great leader in the locker room.
If you honestly think Cassel has made ZERO progress since coming to KC you are being willfully ignorant
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I actually agree with him there
Cassel really hasn’t improved his pocket presence or throw progression thus far. Mind you, I’m not advocating Cassel as the future or want him as the starter, I’m just arguing that the move to get him initially was the right move, and there has been no reason until this season to replace him
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 8:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh man
That is where we got off to the wrong start with this conversation. I agree with most everything Pioli did with Cassel. I wouldnt have given him the large contract until you saw him play in KC that first year but that is neither here nor there. His contract is actually helping us right now because it was front loaded.
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I was lookin at Pioli not getting it “IF” he doesnt bring something in this offseason. I dont mind what Cassel did in 2010. I do think that is his max ability. I think he can get more confortable with his players and his line but I dont know how much better he can get in certain areas that makes a QB great.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
There was no choice on the large contract.
He was franchise tagged. He was guaranteed to make a large chunk of change in 2009 no matter where he went.
That happens when you trade for a tagged player.
It was a smart move. It also allowed us to pay most of his contract with us up front and make him incredibly easy to cut ties with later if he didn’t work out. Pretty convenient really.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Watch any game from 2009, then watch a game from the second half of 2010
Then tell me again, with a straight face, that “Cassel really hasn’t improved his pocket presence”.
Does he still need to improve? Yes. Has he hit his ceiling? I don’t know…
But he is MUCH better than be was in 2009
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
he is still going to come out next year and have 70 yd games against good teams
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 10, 2012 10:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Watching Cassel throw for 70 yards against good defenses because they disguise blitzes and coverage well is a joke. When he plays against good D’s he looks so fucking confused about what is going on. I pray i don’t have to watch another season with him under center. We may win the weak ass AFC West, but will get destroyed against good teams in the playoffs
"You guys line up alphabetically by height."
--Bill Peterson
Dont hire a coach that you know runs things differently than youd like, dont be in the bottom rung of teams in the salary cap every year, when there are obvious needs, dont be secretive as hell to a fanbase and community that wants to.know whats going on with their football team. He doesnt get those for starters
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 10, 2012 10:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nick Wright has the marriage certificate!
will read it line for line on the radio at 4pm
Nick Wright can't read anything past that shit stirrer he calls a nose
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I don't get it either...
Especially when I read stuff like this:
“You can’t cross KC off the list but publicly they’ve given no indication they’re serious about Manning.”
Do these folks understand that player tampering is against the rules? Peyton is under contract until he’s released. Expressing your interest in him could be considered tampering, which will lose you some draft picks (as we found out with Page & Detroit). Glad our GM is smarter than that…
The patriot way = get an elite QB and win championships
Isn’t everyone trying the patriot way?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yep!
2307 QB’s have been drafted in rounds 6 or later in the last 34 years… 4 have won a SB! (2307 is not the real number but you get my point)
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Its not about where or how you get one, just that you get one
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
OH IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO???
WTF ARE 25 TEAMS DOING EVERY YEAR!!!
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Obviously trying the "patriot way"
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 10, 2012 7:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
the patriot way
Fall ass backwards into one of the greatest qbs of all time. sounds like a plan!
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 10, 2012 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
really?
And let’s not forget: The Kansas City Chiefs, owned by Clark Hunt, son of team and & AFL founder Lamar Hunt, grandson of billionaire oil baron H.L. Hunt, have made the Playoffs in only 1 of the last 5 seasons and 3 of the last 14. So how have revenue sharing and the salary cap helped the football team in the city most often cited as having “no chance” in baseball?
Just because you help level the playing field financially, doesn’t mean you make sound football decisions that get you to the playoffs.
"I believe you do what gives you the best chance to succeed"
Right, sure he does. That is the biggest lie I have heard in awhile.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
He forgot to say...
“unless the Roony’s piss me off and i don’t like it here anymore, then yea, i am gonna mail it in”
At least the Rooney's can now see the warning signs
once Haley starts looking like a homeless guy, start double checking everything he does.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Maybe Haley's secretive nature
is a cover up for the fact that he has no idea of what he is actually doing.
Good luck Steeler’s you’re going to need it with this bum.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
IMO, IF Carr doesn’t resign, and I truly think there is a decent chance that he does, only because of his relationship with the other Brandon, who also is going to be a Chief for the next 5 years, then I would strongly recommend the team sign Terrell Thomas out of New York. He was poised to have a breakout year heading into this season, and suffered a Moeki in the presason. I personally believe the drop in production would be very very minimal from Carr to Thomas.
FIFY
“There’s a lot of talk about systems, offense and defense, and I believe youdo what gives you the best chance to succeed,run draw plays on 3rd a long with your smallest back”
The defense will never see it coming…
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
When the qb youre stuck with cant throw down the field and youre in third and long, what else are you going to do? He wasnt calling draws in zona? we said he was a genius.
by Rupert Daniels on Feb 10, 2012 10:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who is "we"
I never said he was a genius..and I hated the hire from day one.
Screens worked pretty well for Romeo after Haley left. A competent OC\HC would have seen that. They watch a lot of tape, I watch a lot of DVR’d games…and I could see the effectiveness of the screen.
He sucks…sorry.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
Maybe Thomas Jones will sign with the Steelers.
Haley said. "If the best chance to succeed is running 63 times a game, you run 63 times a game.
I like it.
Just give the ball 60 times to Jones, and 2 to Rashard Mendenhall.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan

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