Bill Muir Confirms Retirement; Jim Zorn Reportedly Wants Chiefs OC Job
by Joel Thorman on Feb 1, 2012 1:19 PM CST
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PrintNo offense to Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com, but I was very skeptical when I just saw his report that Kansas City Chiefs assistant coach Bill Muir was retiring. That's because we heard the same report from the NFL Network's Jason La Canfora a few weeks earlier only to see Muir come out last week and say he was not retiring.
But this time around it sounds like Muir is actually be retiring.
The KC Star's Adam Teicher is reporting the same thing -- Muir has told the Chiefs he'll retire. Check out the story here which includes quotes from Muir himself on his departure. So that's done (we think).
Also of note in the report is that Teicher says Jim Zorn, the team's quarterbacks coach, has interviewed for the Chiefs offensive coordinator job and he could consider resigning if he doesn't get the job.
The Chiefs reportedly denied a request by the Chicago Bears recently to interview Zorn for the quarterbacks job in Chicago. I wondered then if it was a sign that Zorn was in play for the Chiefs offensive coordinator job.
So it sounds like it's your move, Chiefs.
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Skitzy?
Muir is actually be retiring.
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
by severn58 on Feb 1, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This sounds like a disaster...
All of these coaches are leaving and we’ve hired exactly ONE guy…
Pioli and crew…you’d BETTER know what you’re doing. You’ve waited so damn long now, we lost a lot of potential coaches.
This reeks of the 09 fiasco, which led to an embarrassing season. We are ready to WIN NOW! Quit playing around with the fans, and put a product on the field that is well coached. You have most of the talent you need, put the damn pieces together and let’s go. Enough of the “Patriot Way”, and all that hoopla…Get it right, or get out of town.
by KCTigerChief on Feb 1, 2012 1:24 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
If anything we need to get back to the Patriot Way...
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 1, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't the Patriot way involve one Head Coach with all the titles
And a bunch of 20-30 somethings acting as a gopher for each of Bill’s many hats?
Ha touche
Where are they this weekend? Bam!
by KCinIL on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The question should really be...
Where are they if they don’t have Brady? Is BB all that? Or is it that with Brady you can’t look bad? I simply wonder what would have happened if Bill Never had Tom.
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
True. But that was one year on a team built for Brady.
How well did that same HS player do after he left the Pats?
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't that the point?
That he won without an all-time great QB? Not ultimate won, but won.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
point taken
Here’s just where I’m going with this, and I really don’t know, hence I’m putting it out there. BB has had Brady the whole time (didn’t draft him to be the guy, but he got his diamond in the rough). And when you have a guy like that, an all world QB, then everything else falls in place. He’s had a ridiculous 124-35 record over 11 years. A QB like that just doesn’t come around, well ever.
So if BB had to go with Bledsoe and then some other QB for some of that time does he have nearly the success? I see what you are saying with Cassel, but could he do it continually? Could he have done it if the team had been riding on his shoulders from the get go?
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well, the other example you can look at is Peyton-less Indy.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
exactly.
However I’d say Dungy is a much better coach than Caldwell. So it’s not a perfect example.
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the samples sizes aren't very big in the NFL.
Still, one team loses their superstar and goes 11-5, the other team loses their superstar and goes first overall.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
True
What that says is that caldwell got handed a team and him and Irsay did nothing to change it’s aging player problem – similar to what happened here when Herm was hired. Green retires and our Oline is old and all of a sudden we’re shot to hell. Very similar to Indy.
BB never got in that situation. So one thing he’s been very good at is keeping his team young, or young enough, keeping new guys coming in and learning from the vets and then letting vets go (Vrabel) – or getting them specifically for a one year filler (Junior Seau, Brian Waters).
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
And Indy's now-fired GM built a whole team around one player.
Hoodie doesn’t just keep his team young, he keeps it flexible. Damn, wish I could do the same about my joints.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That is the genius of Belichick
He adjusts to what his team is. This version of the Patriots are very, very different than any other team they have taken to the SB. I mean two stud TE’s, really? Who does that shit.
He does the exact opposite of Haley. He takes the team he has and adjusts his systems to the personel. Haley tried to adjust the team to his systems. (4-3 to 3-4 when we didn’t have the personel, change the offense completely despite an OLine not built for zone blocking or WR’s for his system.)
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Belichick is a jerk all the time ... players adjust to him or be gone
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
That is true as well. He is an asshole, at least from what we see.
They adjust mentally but he adjusts his systems for the players talents.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
It just kills Ups that a perceived meanie can succeed in life :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yeah. It seems that as I age
The little injuries add up and no longer heal like they used to. I no longer bounce.
Oh wait, this is a football, Chiefs related thread… What were we talking about again?
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know, they say memory is the second thing to go.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
damn, now I forgot what I was going to say ...
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
There's an argument for that but also an argument for it the opposite way
How many QB’s have we seen come out of the draft who had all the tools imaginable, who seemed like can’t miss prospects and failed. I’m not talking about the idiots like Ryan Leaf either.
Take David Carr. Dude had a rocket arm, came with a great college pedigree but came into a bad situation in Houston, got pounded into the ground and was never the same. Rick Mirer, arguably not the smartest guy in the world but few remember that he had a better first year than Drew Bledsoe.
Yes, having a great QB can do wonders and I think that gives teams a head start over everyone else. You put Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers on any team and they have an advantage over every other team. Even with those players, if they are not in the right situation though they can’t succeed.
Best example I can think of is would Joe Montana have been Joe Montana had he not been drafted by Walsh and put in the West Coast Offense, imagine if he had been drafted by the Chargers and put in an Air Coryell offense stressing downfield passing. He wouldn’t be what we all know of. Archie Manning is another example, one of the best QB’s on a terrible team. Put him on a better team and we would all think of him very differently.
Great QB’s put you in a position better than others but great QB’s can’t be great without something around them. I know the Colts fell apart this year without Manning but that has been coming for a bit, Caldwell is a terrible HC, and Manning was also basically their OC.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
When did Haley do that?
He did go 10-6 with a QB with two full years of NFL starting experience. But also went 4-12 and 5-8.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
The "Patriot way" only works if.....
…you have Belichick and Brady. Without those two, it’s nothing more than a myth.
Not really true
there is an actual process behind the scenes to identify talent which is, the ‘Patriot Way’.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Who's all these coaches?
You wanted muir to stay? I couldn’t be happier this dudes gone. Couldn’t call plays for shit.
by KCinIL on Feb 1, 2012 1:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Muir was a good Oline coach but not a good coordinator....
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 1, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
It would have been nice having him stay on the line,
but I am happy about the new perspective this team will get.
They were not good at carrying out the offensive coaches blocking schemes, especially in 2011. Time to move forward. Wouldn’t Will Shields be a great assistant?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Was he considered not a good fit for OL coach
Anymore? Since we’re more zb and he was more a power blocking coach, or am I way off?
by KCinIL on Feb 1, 2012 1:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He did a great job in 2010 installing Weis/Haley
in 2009 it was shaky, but “goff” the lineman were not great either.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Story sounded like he just wants to retire.
I’ve been denying myself a lot of things over the years but I’m at a point in my life where I want to do some other things."
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He wants to nap on his couch instead of a booth
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Ha! Personally, I think I'd take on a boat building project, or maybe a world tour type of thing.
And then probably nap on the couch instead.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
WR coach, Asst OL coach, ST coord (filled)…and if we don’t give Zorn the OC he’s gone too.
I wanted muir to stay as OL coach, look at 2010 when that was his sole job…Lead the league in rushing…Charles is a part of that, but he’s gotta have the blocking to make some of those runs.
The problem is, if they had planned all along to hire Zorn as the OC, then why on earth have they waited so long???
Apparently they haven't planned that all along.
Since they still haven’t done it, and Zorn is apparently thinking of resigning.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
I didn’t actually finish what I was going to say lol…
If they hire Zorn now, in order to keep him (remember we DID block the bears from interviewing him), then it just looks like a giant waste of time.
If we DON’T hire Zorn, and I’m sure he’s made his case known to management, then we’ll lose him, and denying the interview to the Bears was pointless…
I’m just frustrated with how our front office has been handling things…Makes zero sense…and it’s driving most fans who’ve been fans for decades absolutely nuts.
That's true.
But even if they hire Zorn now, that doesn’tmean that was their plan all along. Maybe they’ve interviewed other guys (and may still from one or both SB teams), and then decided Zorn was the best guy for the job.
If you remember, RAC actually told them to go out and interview other candidates, because he wanted them to be sure he was the right guy for the job, rather than just a hire of convenience.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
haley called the plays not muir as much
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
And had nowhere near the talent we have now
by KCinIL on Feb 1, 2012 1:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blame pioli
Even though Crennel makes coaching decisions? Makes no sensr
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
All along I felt that Zorn would be our OC
Bring in some quality assistant coachs and I think we would be good to go….all we need now is a RT and a QB
Arrowhead pride addict
Well at least Oakland hired Knapp
That worked wonders for them a few years ago.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I can't really think...
Of a coordinator out there that I would want or that I am excited about. Zorn was put in a bad situation in Washington when they couldn’t find a head coach. I think he is hungry to prove himself as an OC after his stint in Washington.
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Zorn wouldn't excite me.
But then, neither would just about anyone else.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
He was supposed to be good three years ago, yeah.
Now the bloom is off of that rose.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
If they fix that O-line in Pitt
He will look really good there. Pitt situation reminds me a lot of Arizona, questionable line, hall of fame QB, excellent receivers. Receivers were a bit better in Arizona but the running game is better in Pitt.
by Streetcleaner on Feb 1, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
agreed...
A hungry coach with something to prove is better then a green OC IMO tho
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by groundedchevy on Feb 1, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Zorn had his fingers in the horrible offense in 2011,
do we really want him being the guy transferring that kind of ugly continuity moving forward.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
He was mostly just relaying plays to the QB's headset.
I’m not going to hold the playcalling against him.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Nor I
And the playcalling DID improve over the course of the last few games (although RZ miscues kept that from being reflected on the scoreboard).
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
While running someone elses offense
Zorn is a WCO guy and would overhaul the whole mess.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I realize that
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
WCO could work with the pieces we have in place
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
this is a great point.
may be what the team is thinking as well.
by cheapham on Feb 1, 2012 1:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
And played for eons in an offense really similar to the E-P.
And coached several times (Detroit, Baltimore, KC) in Coryell or E-P offenses.
So he spent five, six years with Holmgren. Some of that WC shit is pretty cool—deep crossing patterns?
I’d go for a blended scheme at this point—who cares about what name it is? Whatever puts points on the board.
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 1, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
I bet money
Zorn was barely involved. Never know. Full offseason, coach hungry to prove e can do it. Could be good.
by KCinIL on Feb 1, 2012 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If he was barely involved, that is sad
Who would sit by and watch this offense fall apart without getting involved?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
The way Cassel and Palko played
I think Zorn may have been a Pioli hire and Haley let him do as little as possible
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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Haley seemed to love him.
But who knows what goes on behind closed doors. (Without hearing the cell phone tapes.)
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Haley probably loved him because he kept his mouth shut.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Is that a reason to promote a guy or not promote him?
It is a touchy situation.
I didn’t want Zorn to be the OC before, if this report is true and he is giving ultimatums…however vague, I really don’t think that would be the way to go.
Unless of course the Chiefs already gave him the job and he said that as an after thought.
Either way, I am not a fan of OC Zorn or the Chiefs utilizing a more WC offensive style.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
When somebody interviews for a promotion, it's pretty common for them to move on if they don't get the job.
In the executive circles, anyway. Means their progression has stopped here, so might as well go somewhere else.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
What's wrong with the WCO?
Requires smart route-running, big receivers, and runs after the catch. Crossing patterns, zone-man combo blocking schemes…
I don’t see an issue here. Fill me in, CBO.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
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requires smart QB ... we have Cassel ... next?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Ups, buddy, good to hear from you.
The question wasn’t “Why shouldn’t we run the WCO?” The questions was, what’s (inherently) wrong with the WCO?
And honestly, Cassel’s very intelligent. He’s just inept as far as accuracy, footwork, and making his reads. To me, that’s not intellect…it’s skill…and he isn’t.
If you’d said….
WCO = not inherently a bad offense
WCO requires a more accurate passer.
…that’d make more sense, regarding the question I ASKED :)
/pokes the bear, to see if he’s awake
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
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how you is, sal? good to seeya ...
hey, I was going off your comment, you are correct, he’s got a brain (come at me, bro!) but the skills …
did you see the thing in Arrowheadlines yesterday, Gannon’s bit about a QB test
all QB;’s should take that
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Agreed.
And with the complexity of passing games in 2012 compared to the mid-90’s?? Testing like that should be REQUIRED.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
I din't say there was anything wrong with the WCO
I loved the 1980’s 49ers when I lived in Nebraska growing up before I moved to Kansas City. It is a good system.
However, I just don’t see Jim Zorn as the guy to usher it in to Kansas City. Tom Clements, Joe Philbin? Maybe a little bit better…who knows?
I would rather see the team stick with the EP, it is a proven system and both of the Super Bowl squads utilize it. If the team does change offensive systems, I would rahter move back to the Air Coryell, as there are still good coaches to be had to teach the system and I think Jamaal Charles would excel in that running style… along with Dexter McCluster (picture those sweep plays and pitch outs.)
Any NFL offense can work if it is executed properly. The most improtant thing is getting a solid play caller and I don’t think that is Jim Zorn in Kansas City. This team needs continuity on defense, on offense, IMO it needs to go away from last year.
This team needs good coaching, hope that helps.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
LOL, good coaching would TOTALLY help. We're on the same page there, CBO.
I guess my take on things….
-Zorn doesn’t necessarily mean WCO. The guy played in Chuck Knox’ pro-style sets in Seattle, coached in a Coryell-based scheme with Cameron in Baltimore and coached in Bobby Ross’ multiple set/pro-style offense in Detroit (note: this is a similar system to the Erhardt, as any play can be called from any formation and there is a focus on running the ball and intermediate passes). There’s nothing saying he’ll junk our system for one that no one on this team knows.
-Zorn might be the shittiest playcaller since Paul Hackett hooked up with Mike Solari in an Arrowhead bathroom….OR….
-Zorn might be the next Norv Turner, a guy who knows how to call a bland offense based on the “flow” of a game.
When it comes to Zorno we just don’t KNOW. To me, that’s the rub…assuming Zorn’s a no-coaching SOB because Snyder wouldn’t let him hire his staff or call his preferred offense to me, just isn’t fair. But we can’t assume he’s the best ever, either—we have no justification.
Me? I think he’s a “meh” hire but he might be more….My money is on an outside candidate and with JZ remaining as QB/Passing Game coordinator, or ass’t HC. And I’m OK with those things, personally.
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by go_saleaumua on Feb 1, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
What makes you think he didn't want to?
The qb coach doesn’t have that kind of power. Especially when dealing with am OC and an arrogant hc
by KCinIL on Feb 1, 2012 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Flacco just didn't want him to leave
If i remember right he made a very big stink over it, why cause because Zorn was making a great improvement in his play,must have did some good the ravens barely lose the game
Can't blame Zorn for the Haley/Muir playbook
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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peyton manning and mims
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
both jokes are getting stale
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
but Vrabel just keeps on retiring
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Andy Brown > Alex Marvez
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by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 1, 2012 1:26 PM CST reply actions
I'd be alright with zorn as OC
not my first choice, but i think the guy deserves a shot as an OC. he’ll be a thousand times more creative than Muir, that’s for sure.
by cheapham on Feb 1, 2012 1:30 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Not sure how I feel about Zorn as OC..
I’d rather have Hue Jackson but it could be worse than Zorn I suppose. Just wish we would hurry up and sign someone already.
Agreed.
I’d rather have Hue Jackson but it could be worse than Zorn I suppose.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
I'll third that
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Now if only someone would give me a fifth.
This news would sound a lot better then.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
fif
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Get a four pack of this and you'll be a happy camper
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
There you go
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Too small, what is it?
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
thats the look of a chief fan who hasn't seen a playoff win in 18 years
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think that Jim Zorn will be able to ultimatum his way into the position
of Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator. That is just not a good way to go about getting a job.
Jim Zorn is an average QB coach that doesn’t need to be put into a job that is above his pay grade, especially by using resignation threats as a means to an end.
It’s time to move on.
How about bringing back the Air Coryell?
OC Al Saunders
QB Hue Jackson
OL Asst Will Shields
Who knows where this goes, but that is a good opportunity.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:33 PM CST reply actions
Zorn did help Hassleback and Flacco as a QB coach
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I agree, Jim Zorn is a decent QB coach
Do we want our offensive ceiling to be Flacco and Hasslebeck’s glory days with Zorn?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
did Zorn help Palko?
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Moot point, no one could help Palko.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
Well then...
Did he help Cassel?
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
no
only the shake weight can help Palko
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
That was a lost cause
No one could have helped him, maybe Kurt Warner could give him the hookup at the store he worked at, and in a couple of years he could work his way up to assistant manager
How about
OC: Zorn
QB/OC-Asst: Jackson
That way, if Zorn messes up, he is fired and Jackson comes right in at OC
by Mitul V. Patel on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
So if Muir retires can he spill the beans if he so chooses?
Or does the “shut up and don’t say anything” clause only get thrown out on resigning?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Muir will use the
“I’m old so I forgot I had a confidentiality agreement” card
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I would have kept him in a heartbeat for OLine
I would have skipped a couple heartbeats (then cried a lot) if they kept him as OC.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Yeah, too bad he's hanging it up. Now we need to find a good O line coach.
Really good, since we are apparently going to draft about 27 O linemen this year.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
how about teerlinck i believe manning old oline coach
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
He was a Haley puppet, should have stayed oline coach
OC was not what he was cut out to be, maybe when they played with leather helmets, on their knogens, he should had retired before he came to the Cheifs, what good was he under Haley.
Thats why Haley hired him cause he still wanted the play calling job, that was not Muir it was haley wanting someone to keep cool and his mouth shut.
The first time i heard him have a conversation with the media was after Haley got kicked to the curve!
Two oc's in two year and looking for a third, defense one reason that their so much better
than the offense, unless they can get someone very good in here, avg of 10 to 14 pts a game, and our defense might as well get conditioned cause they will be on the field all year and looking at 3 and outs, and ints, and fumbles
"OC or I quit?"
Sheesh, is this really the way things happen at 1 Arrowhead Drive these days. How does this stuff get out to the press? It clearly shouldn’t. Time to face it Chiefs’ fans, the clowns are in charge of the circus.
He never said that
It just says he could resign.
by KCinIL on Feb 1, 2012 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Paranoid Chief Fan is Paranoid.
/shrugs
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
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Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Jimmy!
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 1, 2012 1:39 PM CST reply actions
Personally, I think Zorn is the way to go.
we can now take a step forward rather than a step back. He has experience.
seems to be the only option. i dont like the sound of a resigning coach
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
Zorn is doing the right thing
He isn’t making enough money in KC given his resume to stick around as a QB coach. He can hook on with a team with a much better situation at QB. A new OC may want to bring in his own guy.
This does look like a mess. Maybe it isn’t, but it is strange the OC has been so strung out.
Cassel probably should keep the same offensive to have the best year. A new offense makes no sense if we are sticking with Cassel.
Because the old one has been so successful.
A new offense makes no sense if we are sticking with Cassel.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
hey, you can count on that offense for one good hail mary td :)
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
By the way
perfect timing for Will Shields to come in and coach the o-line.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 1, 2012 1:41 PM CST reply actions
Asst. only.
I’d hate for him to be THE guy when he has almost no experience doing it.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Can we do Shields and Roaf
as co-assistant o-line coaches to make a head o-line coach?
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 1, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Shields train lineman that are entering the draft
so that would give him some experience
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
That's why I said almost no experience
instead of no experience whatsoever.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Plus he has down those interns with the Jets awesome line
and worked with Bill Callahan (vomit), so there is that to.
I think he is ready for an Asst OL tag.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying.
I just don’t want him as THE OL coach. That guy has a lot more responsibilities than just teaching technique.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
agreed...
I’m not sure many people want him to be the guy right away.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Lets steal Grunny from Weis.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Depends on the shirt...
some of us may have bigger shirts than others
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I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Feb 1, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
maybe weigs retires and they make him oline coach
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
muir may not even be done. look at the 2000 rams. fresh off a super bowl win....
martz takes over
all of a sudden, mike white, frank gansz, and others fled….quickly….away from martz. heck, gansz even retired, then took a job in jacksonville
Pay Brandon Carr/ Pay Colquitt
Team Colquitt
I'm not retiring, I am not retiring...
Oh wait… what? Oh, I guess I am retiring.
"If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you got."
Yogi Berra
by Supersport on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can see where Zorn is coming from
I imagine he was interviewed awhile ago for the position and they’ve spent so much time looking past him this offseason for a different candidate, then the team goes and blocks a potential job in Chicago. I think I’d feel the same way.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
When you fire your head coach with three games to go, you should have a big
advantage with regards to hiring new coaches, obviously that advantage no longer exists, and hasn’t for quite a while.
The more I consider it, the more I am just fine with Zorn being made OC.
He was helping calling plays and whatnot last season. Continuity can never hurt.
I don't either.
Which is why I wouldn’t hate it. He’s also already familiar with the QBs.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
He can hit a trash can better than anybody else on the roster.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I hate it
I really really wanted some outside help for our offense, so far we haven’t made any significant changes to any position other than ST. HC hired from whithen, DC same, although I like Crennel’s defense, I wish he would have let Gibbs or Thomas have the title, OC should be new blood not a holdover from last years debacle.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
I do have a conspiracy theory
A new OC is headed to KC and they know who he’s bringing with him. Scott does early house cleaning and lets go of receivers coach and assistant o-line coach. Muir had the chance to stay but chose not to. “I don’t want to work for that guy, I’ll lose my normal Noon to 3 Sunday naps.”
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Feb 1, 2012 1:52 PM CST reply actions
News Flash:
It’s not had to hire someone as your OC/DC in the NFL. Zorn and Muir aren’t a loss. If they were going to be a loss… Pioli would hire them for a better position.
Hunt and Pioli is turning this organization into the Raiders
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
The Chiefs will never be the Raiders.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Truth. Ouch.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Cole 3rd rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 4th rd, S G. Iloka or DT/NT Hicks 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar or ILB Galippo 6th; FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill; Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Chiefs got one
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
The stuff that's been going on lately is very Raider like
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Sure, there has been some shady stuff presented, especially by the spurned local KC media,
but unless the Chiefs give Sabby Piscitelly 100 Million this offseason.
They are still light years from the Raiders organization. Come on.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
wow ... just wow
the soap opera continues
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Whats scary with that is it could drag on for months
A la Favray.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I'm a Chiefs fan
Holding hope for something that’s likely not going to happen just comes naturally.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Difference is, Peyton is not a drama queen.
So it won’t be near as annoying.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
no, he's a master media manipulator
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Here's a question, if Zorn resigns, could he coach elsewhere?
I would think that he’d be blocked from coaching in the NFL for breach of contract. College might be an option.
If he resigns, then Chiefs aren't paying him, should be free to make a living working somewhere else
I think he'd have to sit out a year
(Assuming he signed a two year contract.)
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Good thing the Chiefs fired Haley during the season to get a head start in selecting the new coaching staff
Luckily there isn’t an expansion team entering the league in 2013… even they’d have coaches in line by now
by Chiefs_KC on Feb 1, 2012 2:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
yeah the chiefs still got to work out the right 53 formula yet
i here the chiefs are looking at the job page of the star for coaches
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
so, we refuse to allow Zorn to perhaps get a better job ... yet also refuse to go ahead and promote him here
what great guys!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
They didn't deny him from getting a better job, they denied him from getting the same job with a competitor
Which is well within their rights. Just as it’s within Zorn’s right to resign.
He couldve potentially been the OC in Chicago
Even if he was interviewing for a QB coach job. Also QB coach with Cutler > QB coach with Cassel.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
The gentelman's agreement in the NFL seems to be
that teams allow their personnel to interview for jobs that would be a promotion, but not for the same position with another team. Chicago said the interview was for QB coach. If they wanted him for OC that’s on them for screwing the pooch.
I thought Mike Tice was made the OC
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Pioli couldn't tell if this guy wanted it, since he was waiting for a reaction....and the Ravens just went ahead and announced the hire :)
ROOT with your heart.
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by THE_TRUTH on Feb 1, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
NIIIIIICE!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
How is going from QB coach to QB coach a better job?
Let’s not aid in the spreading of disinformation…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
How so?
To know that would be to know his personal opinion of the Bears organization and QB, something we’re not exactly privvy to.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Even if it was possible to go from one coaching position to another
I would rather coach cutler than cassell if i was zorn
that was on me, I thought they had wanted him for something that was a promotion
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
They did, he would be designing the pass plays and working with Cutler.
Only difference between him and an OC with Chicago is that Meathead Tice will be calling plays full-time. Zorn (and now, Alex Van Pelt it sounds like) would’ve drawn up the plays he could have used.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
These things happen. Gotta be careful though
You’ve seen how easy it is for a rumor to spread like wildfire here…
Now, if you’re INTENTIONALLY spreading rumors that’s fine :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
speaking of rumors ... I heard something about Vrabel retiring ... just a rumor, though
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
No way
Dude’s got at least a solid half decade left in him…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
nah, all that matters legally and rulewise is job title
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
The argument was that the job in Chicago couldve been a better option
Cutler > Cassel is a better option.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
true as far as NFL rules go, but if I"m Zorn I resign from Chiefs and hire on in Chicago if KC doesn't want me as OC
Get away from the Gong show and a QB coach looks a lot better when he’s working with a good QB. I’d be looking to get away from Pioli’s performance to this point myself. Former NE coaches that left have a hard time getting re-hired in the league unless it’s with their own cirlce of friends.
He Can't Do That While Under Contract To KC
Not unless KC releases him from his contract (which is unlikely) or the Bears pay the Chiefs compensation for him. Same deal with Vermeil and Herm…we had to pay compensation for Vermeil even though he was retired, because he was still under contract. Resigning doesn’t void it.
easy solution to that problem as demonstrated by Haley, go tell Babb that his phone was tapped
Chiefs don’t want to pay remainder of contract due to breach
Because Zorn Might See A Better Chance For Advancement There
If a guy is taking a lateral move like that, it’s usually one of two things…1) he’s got a coach he really, really wants to work with, or 2) he’s not getting promoted where he’s at so he’s looking for a job where he’s got upward mobility.
That's all conjecture.
As far as the reports go, Zorn didn’t ask permission to talk to the Bears, the Bears asked permission to talk to him.
Everything Here Is Conjecture
You think Emery and Zorn didn’t talk while Emery was with the Chiefs? You don’t think Emery knows Zorn wants to be an OC and if KC has no intention of promoting him? These things don’t happen in a vacuum.
Of course Zorn wants to be an OC, but he wasn't interviewing for the position
And it’s just as easy to say that Emery saw value in Zorn and sold him to Lovie as a good component to help Tice manage Mr. Pouty head.
This thread has ran so far off the track it’s crazy
SHENANIGANS!!!!!
wait ... Pioli allowed Emery to talk to Zorn?!?!?!?!?!?
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
That's fair. Conjecture, but fair
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
That's just speculation on your part
synonyms are fun!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
And you're absolutely right
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Except Chicago asked for the interview.
Not Zorn. Who is to say he wanted the job, and who is to say they’d have ultimately hired him?
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
My take
I’m beginning to think that perhaps Zorn to OC has been the plan all along. Tarkus made a good point the other day by saying that if Zorn was OC in waiting, they would’ve hired him already. But the contract situation with Muir prevented that from happening.
Until Muir has officially submitted his resignation to 1 Arrowhead Dr, he was the OC. If they fired him and moved Zorn to OC, they’d have to pay Muir the balance of his contract (and based on the coffee incident, we know Pioli is serious about conserving money). So they waited and waited and maybe even offered some sort of severence to get Muir out. I expect the Zorn hire to come quickly after the ink on the resignation is official.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
what gets me is that a week ago Muir was quoted as "I'm staying til they say otherwise"
did they say otherwise? did the TELL HIM to say otherwise? and if Zorn is to be new OC, why wait?
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by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Easy button
did they say otherwise?
Yep, after a span of 8 days it only makes sense unless he forgot what he said 8 days ago.
What was my point? -I forgot.
and if Zorn is to be new OC, why wait?
2 Words: Peyton Manning
Or get Stanzi to choose one.
Either way, I’m thinking Pioli had an excuse in his first year since he came late to the dance. But what’s the excuse for waiting now? None, his options are slim.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
I cannot and do not wish to think of Manning as having anything to do with Kansas City
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by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I approve this message
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
ups u might remember this guy played for the chiefs olineman Tom condon, the same tom condon who is peyton manning agent.
as they say food for thought
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Either way, I’m thinking Pioli had an excuse in his first year since he came late to the dance. But what’s the excuse for waiting now? None, his options are slim.
If he were to hire an OC before Muir resigned, he would be effectively firing Muir and therefore owe Muir the remainder of his contracted salary. He is trying to save money by either waiting for Muir to resign, or trying to get a resignation out of Muir using a severance package that is more favorable to the Chiefs than his current owed contract.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Then again, Pioli could have gone to an arbitrator for Muire like he did for Haley if he was so concerned about cash
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
If Saving Cash On A Coordinator Was His Rationale
Then we’re really in trouble. Muir makes nickels and dimes in comparison to players.
They waited because they had to, hence my second paragraph above
If they announce Zorn as the OC, they’re actively firing Muir, which puts them on the hook for the balance of his contract. If they wait until he resigns on more favorable monetary terms to the Chiefs, then they can promote Zorn to OC without having to owe Muir as much money.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Makes sense. But what about the talk of Muir moving back to O line coach?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
It's never a bad thing.
To have a former NFL QB as your OC.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
Where's Blackledge when you need a good OC candidate?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Giving interviews in PA about the passing of Joe Pa
he was on the radio the other day out here. I vomited a little in my mouth.
No kidding.
Getting sick of Blackledge whining about how poor Joe Pa was treated.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
My Take
Zorn didn’t have a particularly strong interview for interview for OC and isn’t really under consideration, was hoping the Chiefs would let him walk for the Bears QB coach job once Emery became GM there, and now that they haven’t promoted him or let him go his only option is to force the Chiefs’ hand by threatening to resign (which means he’d have to sit out until his contract is done, unless someone pays compensation for him).
Whenever it gets to the point where an employee is saying “promote me or I quit” that’s a sign of problems ahead.
And I Say I Suspect They Don't Want To Promote Him
Because if so, I think they would have done it by now. Basically, seems like he’s a fallback option in case nothing else works out. They didn’t want Muir, they aren’t really stoked about him, but nobody else seems to be a candidate for the job.
by UCrawford on Feb 1, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In addition, if they can't get anyone else as OC and go with Zorn, by not retaining Muir they can spin it that it's an upgrade over last year's playcalling
Even though it’s probably the same thing, different name
See my post above...
Who’s fault is this? Pioli had an excuse his first year since he got hired late, but what are his excuses now in waiting. The applicant list of qualified (emphasis on qualified) personnel is getting smaller.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
I Agree
His handling of filling out Crennel’s staff has left me very concerned. I think he’s demonstrating a lack of ability.
You mean Crennel's handling of filling out Crennel's staff.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
True
I don’t know what the division is, but if the problem is with Crennel it’s just as bad. Possibly worse, actually, since that would mean that Pioli has just hired a coach who can’t convince the guys he wants to work for him.
Or a coach who's not very good about staffing.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Or candidates that aren't thrilled about working for our GM.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
You mean candidates that aren't thrilled about working for our head coach.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No, I meant exactly what I said.
Pioli going to arbitration over Haley’s contract is bad ju-ju when other candidates in the NFL see it.
The only time that’s happened before was with the Raiders, and if some of those are the type of coaches we’ll end up with, it’s going to be a long ride.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
The head coach works for the owner and/or the GM,
the assistants all work for the head coach.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
...and S@it rolls down hill.
Just because they report to the HC doesn’t mean that the GM doesn’t have a lot of input.
Kind of like a VP of a company reporting to the president…doesn’t mean the President can’t have a lot of directions for the subordinates under the VP.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
Yup
There’s two basic problems with what happened with not paying Haley’s contract.
1) Haley made some very outlandish accusations about the Chiefs’ operating environment. Allegations of wiretapping. Coaches don’t usually accuse their bosses of that…because coaches don’t want to burn bridges for their next job. That Haley would go on the record means he really believed it happened. Combine that with Babb’s story where other former employees believe it happened, and coaches start thinking it might be true.
2) The Chiefs’ response to that story, apparently, was to retaliate against Haley by withholding his contract. A relatively small amount of money in NFL terms. The smart move would have been to give a response along the lines of “What the fuck ever…the dude is a headcase” and shrug it off. Retaliation makes it seem that Haley said something that made them very uncomfortable and possibly true. Especially when you combine that with Pioli’s love of secrecy and the Patriot’s history while Pioli was there (Cameragate).
Basically, it doesn’t even matter anymore if the Chiefs were/are wiretapping or not…because of how they’ve handled the Haley situation, it appears that there may be something to the wiretapping story. And coaches don’t want to work in an environment like that if they have other options.
by UCrawford on Feb 1, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It Makes Sense
And I have no idea if the Chiefs were wiretapping or not. I think Haley was a jackass and a headcase. But that also doesn’t automatically mean he was wrong or lying. And it wasn’t just him making those insinuations to Babb…other employees did so before the Haley story became public. That’s quite a bit of smoke.
Haley never said a work AFTER the firing
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Nope
But he talked to a reporter about his suspicions beforehand. And that’s what got him into trouble. I suspect that’s the “cause” the Chiefs are now claiming for not paying his contract.
talking to a reporter is grounds for withholding pay?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
If the report is true, and might have some truth who knows
then that would be the case maybe, if it were for something else.
I personally believe all of this was a pissing contest between Haley and Pioli over the QB that got drafted in the 5th round, and the fact that Haley was looking for a replacement for matt cassel.
by Bigcherokeechief on Feb 1, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
I Think There's A Lot More To It Than Stanzi
And I think Pioli had plenty of reason to fire Haley. His inability to get along with any OC he had was grounds as far as I’m concerned.
well if that were the case
the cause would have no grounds since he was bond by no contract to keep his mouth quiet. That being said, he never spoke on the record about it either, it was at beast hear say.
by Bigcherokeechief on Feb 1, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Clarifying
He told Kent Babb about his suspicions that his phone was tapped while he was still the Chiefs’ head coach. The story about it came out after Haley got fired. So I suspect the Chiefs are claiming that Haley making accusations against the business while he was an employee of the business is grounds for not paying his contract.
He made no such public accusations
Babb reported on an off the record part of a conversation in which Haley was trying to find a location for them to meet, and injected his own speculation into it.
by Bigcherokeechief on Feb 1, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
That was my interpretation.
Didn’t actually quote Haley about that, did he?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I believe
he said something like, they met, then change rooms a couple of times and that Haley looked worried and said he wasn’t sure if the rooms (conference room was bug) Later second hand source reported to the reporter that haley was concerned his phone was bugged. At which time a good part of AP put on there tin foil hats.
by Bigcherokeechief on Feb 1, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Okay...Let's Look At It This Way
When the story came out, did you tell yourself “There’s absolutely no way that Scott Pioli would ever attempt something like that with his employees.”?
Keeping in mind that this guy is part of the franchise that got draft picks voided for Spygate.
No, I didn't tell myself that.
I also didn’t tell myself “Wow, Pioli absolutely wire-taps his coaches.”
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Neither Did I
Like I said, I have no idea if he did or didn’t wiretap employees. But I consider it a possibility.
And I do believe that some people in the NFL believe it.
not only draft picks but also a $500,000 fine for Bellicheck I believe
That dollar amount isn’t chump change. Then the NFL destroyed all the evidnce it gathered so no one else would know what actually NE did.
Does It Matter? Seriously?
That’s what people believed happened. People believed Haley claimed his phone was tapped to a reporter. Haley certainly hasn’t come out and shot down Babb’s story. He hasn’t claimed he was misquoted. And the Chiefs withheld his salary because they claim they had cause.
If I’m a good coach looking for a job in the NFL, I want nothing to do with a place like that.
yet they are all rumors, Haley has told no reporter that his salary was held for cause..
by Bigcherokeechief on Feb 1, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
You're Not Getting It
It doesn’t matter what actually happened in the wiretapping story if the coaches we want to hire believe that story to be true.
The NFL is a business that thrives on secrecy and rumors. If a story gets put out by a newspaper reporter making outlandish claims and the team isn’t suing for defamation, people will start to believe that the story has legs. And so will coaches looking for a job.
You are talking about appearances. I hate that appearances sometimes take precedence over reality.
I had a platoon sergeant who was all about appearances. Stylish mofo, spent every free minute in the gym, used scalp wax. Really smart guy, too. Backstabber extraordinaire. Everybody hated him. I and all his other squad leaders complained openly to the CO about him, repeatedly. CO was on the verge of retirement and didn’t do anything about him. He drove a couple of good soldiers out of the army before he finally PCS’d to Korea, a duty station where they don’t put up with crap. A couple months after he was gone, we heard that he’d been transferred to a chair in the personnel office.
Anyway, I really hate assigning any importance at all to appearances.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yes, I'm Talking About Appearances
Yes, it’s unfortunate, but perception is reality. The Chiefs have done nothing to change the perception that this is the kind of behavior they’re capable of.
I don't know that I'd want a football coach, much less a leader,
who would turn down a job based on what he reads in an op-ed piece.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Hate To Break It To You
But everyone in the NFL lies at some point.
And the fact that the Chiefs haven’t sued the KC Star for running it leads me to believe that there might be something to it.
How would they sue for that story? It was just a collection of ex-employees' opinions.
Babb was very careful not to inject personal speculation into it. Actually, I think the story was very well-written on the surface, I just question the motivation behind it.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
exactly
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Defamation
Happens all the time to tabloids that run speculative pieces with no information or misleading information.
It wasn't speculative on the paper's part, though.
That’s why I say it was well-written. It was a collection of, basically, bitching by ex-employees. Oh, and a few employees who didn’t have anything bad to say, but it’s tough to remember those parts for some reason.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I Agree, It Was Well-Written
For me it was a “Hmmm” piece. I don’t really care one way or the other if the Chiefs are wiretapping their offices. Hell, I think they have a RIGHT to tap their own offices and e-mail system and company-issued phones. I’m fine with it…as long as they get results.
But they haven’t really gotten results. Things aren’t that great. And based on the trouble they appear to be having filling out Crennel’s staff…
Well, if YOU don't care about them tapping their own phones, and I don't care about them tapping their own phones,
then why would a good NFL coach care about them tapping their own phones?
Anyhow, I agree, I don’t care how they run their office, I just want to watch a winning team.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
And Just To Be Clear
While I don’t care if a company taps its own phones, there’s no way in hell I’d want to work for a place that does that kind of crap if I have any other options.
ok then "assume" that Babb had no personal motivation, it was just a story to him
now what?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
HA! WHY would I assume that?!
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
all aboard!
Everyone wants to be on the agenda train.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
In the best circumstance, Babb's "personal motivation" would have been to write an interesting/profitable story.
And controversy sells.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Babb Did Interviews Afterwards
He said he’d gotten a lot of flack about his article from colleagues. He also said he’d been told directly by other colleagues that the Chiefs had been leaning heavily on the other media outlets in town by threatening to move their sponsorship elsewhere if they ran with the story.
Like I said…there was a lot of smoke.
Maybe they were worried about, you know, appearances.
Even for a guy who poo-poos on appearances, I can recognize that it was just bad damned timing on Babb’s part.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That was the first thing that mad me upset about Babb's story...
He could of ran it in March after the staff hires, if it even needed to be run at all.
I wish he would have thought about the ramifications of his actions, but I can see how reporters wouldn’t do that. It was still a dick move on his part and benefited no one in the long wrong. Not even Babb.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
And I Have Similar Stories From My Time In The Army
You know the deal…it’s as often the appearance as the reality that matters. That’s why you have to look good in addition to being good.
But the moral of my little story
is that the pretty, backstabbing bastard got his sooner rather than later.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
They All Do Eventually
One of the things I realized after several years in that kept me sane was the realization that every major backstabber I knew in the Army got caught eventually. When you’re the kind of guy who thinks the rules don’t apply to you, you’re probably not going to be smart enough to be able to get around the institutions in place to enforce those rules for long. If you’re a backstabber, eventually people will figure it out.
People always get caught eventually.
Yeah, Cash did an awesome job with that song.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I side with Zorn
He has put in his time as QB in every city he has coached.
He was one of our playcallers last season…well he atleast got to repeat to Haley what Muir said to him? Who knows!
Anyways, If KC will not let him jump ship when he wants they better make it worth his while.
He has been in the business as a respectable coach too long to get pissed on.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 1, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And
KC doesn’t have to make it worth his while if they keep him. He’s got no options except quit at that point unless someone is willing to pay the Chiefs for him. Which is unlikely.
I do agree that if this is the case, it’s bush league on the part of the Chiefs.
That's what I'm saying
I know KC has the power in this case.
I just think Zorn deserves to be allowed to interview with another team if we don’t have plans with him. It’s a respect thing.
Obviously if he doesn’t wanna be here, do u want him on the staff? I don’t.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 1, 2012 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where was the report that he didn't want to be here?
The Bears asked permission to talk, KC said no. End of story.
This story is growing different new herpes like bumps faster than Snookie.
If Emery Didn't Think Zorn Was At Least Somewhat Unhappy
He wouldn’t have asked for permission to speak to Zorn.
Not true at all
Teams ask permission to talk to guys all the time. And it has nothing to do with how they feel about their current job and everything to do with a team seeing a guy they consider a quality coach and trying to hire him.
I don't actually believe anything here other than what is a direct quote
Half of the items on this thread have to do with the Wrapper Report as opposed to anything that has actually transpired here.
Direct Quote From Pioli To Joel Was That Haley Wasn't Getting Fired
And we found out before the end of the year that was a lie.
You really believe only what GMs and coaches say is going on?
Nope, but there were indications that Pioli was fibbing
LOTS of smoke there.
There is no smoke here. There is one report that says Zorn would like to be promoted to OC here. Not in Chicago. And that he would be unhappy if he wasn’t. Understandable.
The idea that Zorn was pining for Chicago is an invention of this particular discussion. It’s certianly not from any source outside AP including NFL beat men, GM’s, Zorn or even the ghost of Al Davis.
So he wanted to give him a job because he though he might be unhappy?
Or because he wanted him on staff because he’s a good coach?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Agreed
That’s why what’s going on right now in regards to staff is really starting to concern me.
So far they just had their o-line coach quit, they’ve apparently got an unhappy QB coach who would rather quit if he’s not promoted or allowed to take another job, and they aren’t bringing in a lot of talent. We’re well on the way to the Maurice Carthon era as OC…and that would be VERY bad.
Trends?
*Internet chatter said Brad Childress wouldn’t consider the OC position here because of the QB!
*Mike Sherman said that one of the reasons he looked away was because of our QB!
*Jeff Fisher withdrew his name in favor of a team with a “better QB!”
*Todd Haley’s dad’s comments about our QB!
Things that make you go Hmmmmm?!!
WAR Kansas City Chiefs KINGDOM!!!
by Jason Drue Keith on Feb 1, 2012 2:50 PM CST reply actions
they all love our QB?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
VERY much so!
I used the caps because I know you like them SO much!
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by Jason Drue Keith on Feb 1, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Got links/sources for those first three?
Because that’s the first I’ve heard any of that….
Teicher never stated Zorn would resign.
“Quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn has interviewed for the vacant coordinator’s position.”
That’s all that is said about Zorn
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Yeah, I was wondering about that, too.
From all the comments on here, I just assumed I missed an earlier story somehwere.
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adamteicher Adam Teicher
Zorn has told people he may resign if not promoted to offensive coordinator
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
He may be fired if not promoted to offensive coordinator
Like, if the new OC wants a different QB coach, you know?
Zorn & Bowe Need To Shake Down Clark Hunt For Huge Raises
Pioli is such an idiot. Jim Zorn & WR Dwayne Bowe have all of the leverage to demand huge raises to sign new contracts as OC & WR. I just hope Crennel & Zorn get along because Pioli will probably draft a nose tackle instead of an offensive tackle so he can blame Zorn for the Chief’s crappy offense in 2012
by Chief Fan from DFW on Feb 1, 2012 3:32 PM CST reply actions
u really think money was the hold back between muir and zorn for the oc job
cmon on, that sounds real bad, when other teams here that shit. we got to get this guy to resign, before we name our new oc
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Obvious this is Zorns retaliation for not getting to interview with the bears
Wouldnt mind him at OC, he was involved in playcalling that led us to 2-1 to end the season so well see.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Zorn knows QBs
And he couldn’t do shit with what he had last year.
And I’m sure Haley made Palko play, not Zorn.
Our problem is at QB, so give the reigns to someone that knows QBs right now, before the draft board is set.
GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How's Jamaal doing anyways?
Heh, if Haley was getting into it with Pioli over Cassel not being good enough,
I wonder what Zorn would do.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
FWIW
Zorn did a pretty shitty job with Cassel BEFORE Palko came into the mix.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Seems weird
That Chiefs front office would want to create this mass of confusion surrounding the recent happenings by saying little or nothing at all.
Although Zorn didnt seem to help our QBs this year, he seems to have a hand in the development of Flacco. If he can help Cassel im for him staying here. Cassel needs all the help he can get, stability is a step in the right direction. He hasnt had much of that in KC.
So why not give Zorn a shot at OC. He appears to be hungry for the opportunity.
He spent one year wth Flacco
To me, the experience Flacco had gained before Zorn came into the picture helped him more than anything Zorn did. Jim Caldwell was the QBs coach for the Colts, but who credits him with developing Peyton Manning?
The fact that the Ravens front office (one of the best in the league) canned him after one year says a lot to me and I have heard many of his ways are unconventional and frankly, the results aren’t there.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
As i look at the stats
2009 Baltimore 16 88.9 315 499 63.1 3613 225.8 7.2 21 12 35 56 3.5 1.6 0 36 218 8 2
2010 Baltimore 16 93.6 306 489 62.6 3622 226.4 7.4 25 10 43 84 5.3 2.0 1 40 294 9 4
2011 Baltimore 16 80.9 312 542 57.6 3610 225.6 6.7 20 12 39 88 5.5 2.3 1 31 203 11 6
seems he dropped nearly 10 points in qb rating after Zorn left. Flacco was very upset when he was released.
Zorn may not be sexy but he was a major part of Joe Flacco's progression in 2010.
Oh, and if this is correct….Zorn actually WANTS to be the offensive coordinator. Apparently a lot of coaches don’t want to come here. And here’s a guy who WANTS to stay.
Hmmm….
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*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.
if that is the way Zorn feels
then do not let the door hit you on the way out.
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