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The Peyton Manning sweepstakes is going to be utter madness. No matter his health situation, 20 some teams are going to go all out to convince Manning why he should come to their city and set up shop.

Teams like Philadelphia and San Fransisco are going to offer Peyton a chance to play for a perennial contender. Arizona is going to point to what Kurt Warner did with Larry Fitzgerald as well as the weather. Miami is going to ask Peyton, "If it was good for LeBron, shouldn't it be good for you?" The list goes on and on.

But what, you ask yourself, does our beloved Chiefs have to offer? And at a glance, it would appear "not as much as others". The team has been in flux for 5 years now. 3 head coaches, massive turnover on the roster, inconsistent play. You may say "But that young core is outstanding!!" Maybe. I think they are, but the proof isn't there to a casual observer. Losing by 27+ points five times in one season may cloud the issue in Peyton's mind.

There's the bar-b-que. Of course in order to feast Peyton would have to give up 8 home games in a dome for the first time in his pro career.

But KC does have something that virtually no other team has in the NFL.

An open Offensive Coordinator spot.

Star-divide

I know that the comment "Manning for OC" has been jokingly bandied around this site multiple times. But what if it wasn't a joke? What if Pioli/Hunt offered to make Peyton Manning the co-Offensive Coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs?

Think of it. Offer to let Manning have full input on who was his co-OC on the sidelines that worked with him. Give Peyton the full control that a standard offensive coordinator would have. Let him have input on free agency and the draft. If he can't play because of health issues, so what? He'd be part of the staff until he was healthy enough to get on the field. Give him assurances that when he retires, he could take over the position full time.

Then take all that cap money to raid the free agents from Indy that he would want on his new offense.

Let's be honest. I love KC. You love KC. But Kansas City has been a backwater for the NFL for a looooonnnngggg time. Convincing Peyton Manning that his new home should be Arrowhead is going to take creative thinking. And this is about as creative as a team could get.

Manning would come onto a team with an established defensive coach that has been around the block and would not feel threatened. Crennel would have his OC. KC would have its QB. And Manning would have his introduction into the NFL coaching world. Is there any doubt that's where he's going after his career is over?

If it didn't work, so what. Swing for the fences. Landing Manning as a QB/OC would immediately catapult KC into the NFL's upper echlon in terms of media coverage. Prime time games would be guranteed. Even if Manning didn't get on the field the NFL and its fans would want to see if a player/coach could actually work.

The move would be dissected ad nauseum for years by every sports news agency there is. And ultimately, isn't that what Clark Hunt wants? His team in the national media, discussed, dissected and generating revenue along with that interest? Win for the business side.

And if the football side worked...

What say you AP? Crazy talk?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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PEYOTE

“Did you see the size of that chicken?”

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Feb 1, 2012 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

I think someone would have to be high as a kite

in order for this to happen. A huge gamble having him play and be part of the coaching staff.

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Feb 1, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Has going the standard route worked well?

When you’re 18 years deep into a playoff drought, it’s time to roll some dice.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Touche

but what will be the price to attain Peyton. Is Indy really going to just let him go? Is it worth trading what Indy will want for him? If we don’t sacrifice any pick RD 3 or above, it could be worth it. If it doesn’t work out, well I guess we’ll get a new OC, HC, and GM out of the deal.

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

From all I've heard this morning, Peyton is going to be out and out released

Shefter speculated that it could happen as early as Tuesday after the SB.

And if Pioli can’t turn this ship around we’re going to have a new OC, HC and GM anyway. Generating that much buzz for the team along with revnue, might make Clark stick with Pioli no matter what the team’s record was.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

if he's spending his time as OC when does he get to practice? and if he's spending his time practicing he can't be making gameplans?

you did say “if he can’t play” … even as OC … what makes you think he even wants to do that? and if he did, why wouldn’t he want to stay in Indy, the town he owns …

thing is, he’s already said there that he does NOT want to get into coaching or be OC … I’ll take him at his word

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if that is something he would want to do, BUT

Making him an offer to do so would definitely make KC standout in the sweepstakes for his services. If he doesn’t bite because it’s not something he wants to do, so be it. But you have to admit it’s a lure that no other team could use. And ultimately getting him is what would matter, whatever it took.

As for the nuts and bolts of the scenario, they’re all details. Half the allure would be making it work. For a guy that has climbed the mountain sometimes the best bait is offering him a different mountain to climb.

I would envision something where Manning has a co-OC that he hand picked to work with. The day to day job of OC would be run by Manning’s co-worker. All decisions about the offense and game planning being vetted by Peyton. Or something to that effect.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

1st let me say

I like your outside the box thinking,but don’t you think Manning has all the say he needs on plays,players & anything else he wants?In a show of good faith I’d say ask Peyton what he needs to come here.Who would be his favorite draft pick,OC,Center,& TE.Then have at it.

John Soellner

by chiefs63 on Feb 2, 2012 7:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I can definitely agree with this stance

And would be more than happy for the Chiefs to comply if Peyton is all about playing and healthy enough to do so.

by mushin on Feb 2, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Unless he says that he is going to play next season, aye Ups?

Then you don’t trust him as far as you can throw him with nerve damage in your shoulder and neck.

I don’t think Peyton wants to be an official OC, but KC does offer him a unique situation to pick who he wants to work with and have input on the offense.

Peyton will play and he will receive a monster contract for some team.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

he might
Peyton will play

and that contract is why he’s saying he feels good … I’d expect him to say the same thing, but he would have input regardless of where he goes (if anywhere) just going to the line and calling audibles … never seen anyone quite like him, as if he has a “virtual game” helmet and “on visor display” handy at all times

he’ll have input on every play … if he plays

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed...

Peyton Manning is going to be a rich man for the rest of his life with or without that next contract IMO.

He is an endorsement machine and will make huge money in the broadcast booth. I think winning another championship will drive him, especially if Eli wins on Sunday.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Gatorade!

I don’t doubt his drive or competitiveness … that I would NEVER doubt

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Yet you doubt his ability to return from an injury...

I can see where you are coming from. Just look at a guy like Priest, I get that.

However, I know some team is going to give the guy money and IMO it should be the Chiefs.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

well. on that part ...

not the neck surgery itself, but arm strength … if he’s not “there” yet, how many GMs are going to give him a monster contract? and if he doesn’t get back to where he was and you have him signed … see what I mean?

and the longer it takes for him to get there, the lower the offers will be … would you give him $20M just on name value in the hope that he MIGHT come back to full or nearly full strength?

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"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

His contract will definitely be structured unique.

Have you watched him throw?

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

There was talk about his contract this morning on Mike and Mike

The thought was, with play numbers, he would get a 10mil bonus, then 5 mil for every 8 games he played next season. The pay would be based on his ability to get on the field.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I would try to set his contract up where the big money comes up late in the contract and decent but not over blown money in the first year.

I think manning would work with u on it.

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

u need to sign the guy and take a chance

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The Colts owe Manning a

$28 million roster bonus in the beginning of March, so they almost have to cut him. Trading him isn’t really a reasonable option.

by KC4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Which makes it even better for the Chiefs.

a. We don’t have to cover that $28 mil…
b. We don’t have to give up any draft picks for him.
c. we have as much cap space as about any team out there, so we can give him a nice contract…probably not $28 million nice, but can he really demand that?

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Or let Manning retire

No way I would take a risk on him for the amount of cash he would want, and have another short stopgap.. just to be in the same situation in(best case) a few years.

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 9:17 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

The last playoff win.....but no Super Bowls.

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Feb 1, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

And that's not on the elderly QB who was at the end of his career

That’s on the leg of some guy whose name I can’t recall due to it being physically ripped out of my memory cortex

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

So possible we sign PM, and still not win a SB or even a playoff game

due to circumstances unrelated to the QB playing well. Well crap.

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

It's all possible

But if Manning can get on the field and even be 80% of what he was he’d be the best QB KC has had since Dawson.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

We could use an upgrade at QB,

and PM makes the most sence, I’ll agree with you on that. I don’t know about the having him on the coaching staff part.

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know how that would work, but I don't see any other way to actually bag Manning

It could happen, but KC is probably not on his top 10 list of the 20-some teams that he’s going to be wined and dined by.

It’s not going to be about the money. It’s going to be about championships and the extras. You can’t get any more “extra” than that.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

The other way

Have him be apart of the new OC signing. Let him have his say, and pick who he wants. If Clark, Pioli or RAC doesn’t like the OC, we don’t have to sign him.

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Feb 1, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this as well

But as a mental exercise, this one is much more fun.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I would put him in the top 3 on the list kc to get manning

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

but that stop gap might get u a super bowl and for sure a playoff win, which the chiefs haven't had in 18 years.

Its montana all over again with manning.

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

It's time we get away from stop gaps and get our franchise

Likely wont happen this year and with Bowe and Carr needing deals, no way I’m tossing a ton at an old broken QB

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

But you agree we need to upgrade QB

And we’re not getting one in the draft with enough chops to be a short term solution. That leaves FA. Which leaves Peyton Manning or Kyle Orton. I’m all for Orton, but would rather have Manning.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Just like Stanzi on AP

I don’t get the love, but each to their own

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Stanzi

I swear I have never seen so much love for a guy that didn’t even play a snap in my life

In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti

by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I know, huh! he has the same NFL exxperience as RG3 and Andrew Luck!!!

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"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Except those guys are 1st round guys

Not 5th rounders that couldn’t beat out Tyler Palko

In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti

by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

that 5th rounder was ahead of Palko the last 3 games

hey, I’m not a fan of bringing Manning in either

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't want to be know as the team

That manning got paralized on, because our RT whiffed on a block and Terrel Suggs blind sided the guy

In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti

by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Well he's cleared to play.

Are you saying we shouldn’t have a quarterback?

by bamachief5558 on Feb 3, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Fans on AP fear drafting a qb in the 1st round like a vampire fears holy water

No way I would take a risk on him for the amount of cash he would want, and have another short stopgap.. just to be in the same situation in(best case) a few years.
couldn’t have said it better myself

In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti

by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 1, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

we all have our opinions, one way or another :-)

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 2, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Great stuff Mushin...

It is nice to read some words about Peyton without the author assuming that he will never play again.

It is an option, and the Chiefs need all the options that they can get at this point in the game. Taking Peyton Manning won’t set the organization back several years.

After all, most fans think that Clark Hunt is so cheap that signing Peyton Manning would just catch us up with the rest of the league in terms of dollars being spent on free agents. Back to even.

There is no better risk than Peyton, no other scenario is as big of boom or bust. After 42 years it is time to push the Super Bowl chips in and call Manning’s agent with a blank check. It is not your money…

Come on guys, what if he is healthy?

QB: Manning
RB:Charles, Mclain, McCluster
WR: Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin
TE: Moeaki
LT: Albert
LG: Lilja
C:Hudson/ Saturday (in FA)
RG:Asamoah
RT: Martin (based off mock today)

It is something to drool over. But, but, but, one hit and his career is over… shenanigans. No one knows that will happen and even if it does the Chiefs draft a QB in the first round next season or start Stanzi.

Then you can all laugh at Clark as karma takes his money, since everyone thinks he is so cheap. It is a win-win and at least the Chiefs attempted greatness. It is right in front of this team for the taking.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

wow, that makes it a smart and safe move? if it does??? and if it does, that's a good thing for Manning ... how?
No one knows that will happen and even if it does …

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Regardless of whether you agree with the risks of injury

Manning is probably going to take them somewhere, KC or elsewhere.

He isn’t going to just walk away.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, that's what has me worried ... I take those added risks seriously, I don't think one can objectively look at the situation and NOT take them seriously

and from that standpoint alone .. the added risk as per NFL doctors cited by Cole … think about it, watching a game regardless of what team it is he plays for … he drops back, he’s hit hard … the worst happens

is that what anyone wants to see? of course not … to me it just isn’t worth that risk, but yes it’s his decision

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

It isn't about taking the risks seriously

If he is medically cleared to play, he is only at as much risk as any other player out there.

Your concerns about his arm strength are more troubling then the one hit argument. That is every Sunday in the NFL for every player.

Do we want to see him lying motionless? Not moving after a big hit? No

However, I would rather see it here in KC, than watch him hoist a trophy because Denver, Oakland or San Diego (or anywhere else) decide to take a risk that KC didn’t want to go after because of avoiding a potential heart wrenching moment. Screw that, it’s football and Manning will play somewhere.

Better here than there.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Manning would get..

1. Another shot at playing
2. Unprecedented power as a player
3. A team with an actual running game
4. An above average D that has potential to be more
5. Official entry into the gates/ok joes debate

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

he's had all that ... and I have no doubt he could buy all those BBQ places outright if he wanted to

if one accepts that there’s even a little more risk from the surgery, then it comes down to a competitive guy playing for glory that he already has, and that glory outweighs the risk of serious and debilitating injury

and that’s it?

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

To quote you earlier in the thread,
I’ll take him at his word

He’s come out publicly and said he wants to play in 2012

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

You can only take him at his word if it fits your agenda,

Right Ups?

Otherwise Manning is just saying that for the contract?

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

20 teams??

C’mon, man…it’s not nearly that many…

NFC teams that have their QBOTF: Packers, Bears, Lions, Vikings, Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, St. Louis, Arizona (maybe), Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Bucs (maybe).

That leaves Washington, Seattle, and San Francisco. I think SF will roll with Alex Smith. He played well in the playoffs.

AFC teams that have their QBOTF: Patriots, Titans, Denver (for now), Oakland, SD, Pitt, Bengals, Ravens, Colts (Luck), Browns will get RG3, Texans, Jaguars, Bills (maybe)…

That leaves the Jets, Chiefs, and Dolphins,

IMHO, Manning will be playing for one of these 6 teams. He won’t want to go deal with the drama in NY. The Dolphins would be an attractive team with Jake Long protecting his blind side. Chiefs have one of the better receiving cores out there, and are in a weak division. Seattle has a good running game. SF will stick with Alex Smith. Washington is in a tough division, and have crappy receivers apart from their tight ends. IMHO, the Chiefs have as many benefits as any of those other teams, and have the cap space to boot. If we get a decent RT in the draft or FA, we could be a dominant force.

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

Most NFL teams would bury their own QB's to get Peyton.

It should be a spectacle to behold.

Think Miami going after Harbaugh, there are going to be a few butthurt starting QB’s next season in the NFL from this Manning sweepstakes.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think so...

Romo is a good QB…no way the Cowboys go after Manning. Eagles are just learning to play with Michael Vick…I don’t think a lot of those teams mentioned have the cap space…I think KC has the best situation with the best cap space.

If getting a HOF QB in his twilight years is so great, why didn’t more teams pursue Montana? I think, like that situation, this is a good choice for KC, provided Manning can play.

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

The Eagles fan base is NOT happy with Vick right now

Not sure how the coaching staff feels since Reid never talks to anyone, but Vick is an injury prone QB that was shown to be turnover prone last year. Reid is also on the hot seat here in Philly as well. Vick lost Philly games last year both by throwing too many picks in the games he played and not staying on the field. If either of those scenarios don’t happen the Eagles may have been where the Giants are.

And as for Romo, he has literally lost the Cowboys games. There is rumblings in that fan base as well about Romo. And there probably isn’t any other owner in football (with the exception of Miami) that has his ear open to the fan base like Jerry Jones.

Plus Jones has a track record here. See Drew Bledsoe.

by mushin on Feb 3, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

My NFC team is the Cowboys...

and I would be PISSED if they picked up Manning. Romo will lead them to a SB in the next 3 years. Bank on it.

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll call you crazy and leave it at that

Nothing from Romo has shown that he can be consistent enough to bank on anything. He does have the talent and could certainly get hot at the right time, but he’s a friggin yo-yo at the position.

by mushin on Feb 3, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

You've left a lot of teams off that list

Live near Philly and fans and media are salivating at the chance.
Dallas would definitely kick the tires. It’s Jones style.
Manning would be a HUGE upgrade for Balt, Oakland, Denver, titans and bills. (Adam schaefer identified tenn as a possible suitor, his words not mine). RG3 would ride pine. Zona has already expressed oblique interest.

Basically any team that didn’t have a top 5-10 QB would inquire. And if he was healthy some of those teams would inquire as well.

Peyton Manning is arguably the best QB in the history of the league. Again to quote Adam Schefter, “it would be negligent for teams to not look hard at Peyton Manning”

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

echo

Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

foxtrot

oh, wait

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by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed...

but there are teams that have no shot or like you said have an established QB. The Texans, Titans, Jets, Dolphins, Chiefs, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks, Ravens, and Falcons are really the only options when you really think about it. The rest of the teams have a 0% chance in my opinion. Is is NOT going to play in the NFC east against his brother, I don’t care what people say.

by Crown Chief on Feb 1, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely...

which leaves out the Eagles and Cowboys, who I think are settled on their QB’s anyway…

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

well said

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Feb 1, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

If you look at reasons "why?" to go to a certain team then the Chiefs probably fall in the middle of the field

But if you look at the reasons “why not?” to go to a team then I think we fair much better. We aren’t the Jets(enough said), we don’t have to play against Brady twice a year, we don’t have to play against Eli twice a year, we don’t have zero starting quality OLineman(Zona) and we’re not the Browns.

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by GenericBrand on Feb 1, 2012 12:41 PM CST reply actions  

I'd agree with that assesment

And don’t think it would get it done if Manning was the target. It’s his last stint. Why settle for the middle of anything? He basically holds all the cards here and could do whatever he wanted.

KC would either have to back up a line of Brink’s Trucks (and that might not work) or make a unique offer that other teams wouldn’t be able to match.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus if he wins a SB in Kansas City it gives him a one up on Joe Montana.

Legacy is important

Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

In terms of weapons...

the only rosters in the NFL that exceed or come close to the Chiefs are New England, Philly, Dallas, and maybe the Texans. The Texans have 3 big contracts up in Williams, Myers, and Foster; and they are already in salary cap hell so I don’t know how they would pull it off. Plus, I don’t think Peyton wants to play for a old division rival, look at what it did to Favre’s legacy in Green Bay when he was in purple. I don’t think the Chiefs have to sale anything if Peyton is healthy and available unless the 49ers swoop in. But, its likely that Peyton won’t get healthy until at least April meaning the 49ers will have to make a move with Smith, hopefully allowing the Chiefs to be the sole favorites.

by Crown Chief on Feb 1, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree somewhat

But I wouldn’t call KC a competitor at first blush. As a fan of the team I think they are, but the proof is in the record to everyone who isn’t following this team religiously. Peyton would have to take a HARD look to see the diamonds in the rough here. And it’s Pioli’s and Hunt’s job to find a way to make him open his eyes and actually look.

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point...

I guess I had my homer glasses on there. Not that I think I’m over rating the talent, but over rating everyone elses perception of our talent.

by Crown Chief on Feb 1, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Living in PA I get them ripped off my face daily

“They have a team in Kansas City? AND paved roads? I’ll be damned.”

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Tell me about it...

I lived in Dallas for 4 years going to college and had to explain to people that I did not, in fact, grow up on a farm.

by Crown Chief on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You want Peyton?

Two year deal with a base of $10 million each year, with incentives up to $20 million with a SB win.

Then sign C Jeff Saturday, TE Jacob Tamme and an OC of his choice. Franchise Carr and sign Bowe to a 5 year deal. Also sign LT Demetrius Bell.

Deal Dorsey to Philly for their pick #51. Trade our 1st in 2013 to NE for their #32.

R1 #11 RB Trent Richardson-Alabama
R1 #32 LB Vontaze Burfict-Arizona St.
R2 #43 G Cordy Glenn-Georgia
R2 #51 FS Markelle Martin-Oklahoma State
R3 #76 NT Hebron Fangupo-BYU
R4 #106 SS Brandon Taylor-LSU
R5 #137 CB Donnie Fletcher-Boston College
R6 #170 DE DaJohn Harris-USC
R7 #206 WR/RB Chris Rainey-Florida

We would be maxed out at the cap, but this team could win it all !!!

by 102win on Feb 1, 2012 4:59 PM CST reply actions  

Not a huge Burfict fan

But I like what you’re sellin

by mushin on Feb 1, 2012 5:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks, this team would be so good!!

I think Burfict has the most upside, he is that high risk.high reward type guy. I trust Romeo will FIX his issues.

by 102win on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

RB's are a dime a dozen

so why take 1 with the 11th pick?

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 2:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't agree with taking a running back that high either.

Although, if the Chiefs did take Trent Richardson. I wouldn’t be upset at all.

It is more of a luxury pick and it would be nice to see the team go in a different direction.

Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 2:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I am with you, but

In this “Manning Mock”, I think Peyton would like a two headed monster back there.

by 102win on Feb 2, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

here are the top 5 rushing leaders and where they were drafted

1. Maurice Jones Drew 1606- 2nd round
2, Ray Rice 1364 2nd round
3.Michael Turner 1340 -4th round
4.Leshon Mcoy 1309-2nd round
5. Arian Foster 1224
undrafted

In fact , I have to go to the 7th leading rusher to find a 1st round pick Marshawn Lynch 12th. You can get an elite RB in other rounds. Plus, I think Richardson is overrated

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Again I agree.....sort of.

I think it would help with the process of “selling the Chiefs to Peyton”. That offense would be full of weapons. Balanced attack with a top 5 O line—-Where do I sign??

by 102win on Feb 2, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

i do like ur Rainey pick

Only the Rainey I like his first name is Bobby

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

Chris Rainey > McCluster

by 102win on Feb 2, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

No Chris Rainey IS McCluster

Bobby Rainet was a 1 man wrecking crew at WK. He almost had a 100 yards against LSU. Late round steal

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

that is an interesting plan, in my opinion it will cost more for Manning in deal length.

Cordy Glenn is gonna be a beast.

Meh...
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@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 1, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I look at it this way.....

I don’t think he will get a longer deal, it is just to risky.

I bring Peyton in and tell him the above plan. “BTW, Mr. Manning we finished 7-9 with huge injury issues”. If we had Manning last year, we would have made the playoffs. Also, the above plan adds three starters (at least) thru the draft, three in FA (with Manning) and three returning from IR. Charles and Richardson equal one, so we are improving 8 starters total!!

We are a great option for Peyton Manning.

And yes, Glenn to go with Bell makes our line one of the best in the league.

by 102win on Feb 2, 2012 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Really??? Another Manning post

he isn’t coming here period ,plain and simple. But I have a better idea. How about we draft a QB in the 1st round(something we haven’t done in 30 years) instead of relying on retreads like we have the past 20 years. In this case, a retread that is 36 and has 3 neck surgeries in 2 years. Time to get over this phobia of drafting a QB early.Until then.

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 1, 2012 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

Quarterback is a hot topic around here.

If anyone knows that, it’s you Saints.

Everyone assumesjPeyton Manning is done, but if he isn’t done, then he has a chance to play another 1-4 years….right? That is potentially four years with the franchise QB you have been griping about every other day since you joined AP.

What would be the problem with that?

The Peyton Manning bust factor?

Why would you worry about a Hall of Fame QB busting and not a QB that has never played in the NFL?

If your argument is Peyton Manning get hurt and mortgaging the future with his contract if he is injured. Wouldn’t the Chiefs be in the same situation if they traded two drafts to get Luck and he busted though injury or whatever other means?

At least with Manning the Chiefs won’t lose all of their draft picks long term. If he gets hurt the Chiefs play Cassel or Stanzi and reload next year in QB strong draft IMO.

If it is about money, fans complain about Clark not spending to win all of the time. Wouldn’t Clark Hunt paying for Manning just catch up the organization in terms of fans thinking that Clark is cheap?

Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Feb 2, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions  

ok......

He is just a stopgag QB. Where is the long term plan? No QB older than 38 has won a super bowl. So that gives him 2 years to do so here. Don’t forget also, he was bounced out of the 1st round of the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years. Throw in a neck injury that can flair up at any time and it’s just not worth it.

At least with Manning the Chiefs won’t lose all of their draft picks long term. If he gets hurt the Chiefs play Cassel or Stanzi and reload next year in QB strong draft IMO.

Ya, but look at the money you would have to spend. At least 16 million a year, combine that with Carr and Bowe deals that have to get done, and you have almost o cap space to do anything else. in other words, Pioli has to hit on almost every pick in 2012. Do you have faith he can do that, because I don’t. If you trade for Luck ,you would give up a lot and still have a ton of cap space to make moves. You would also have some draft picks to work with

Not only that , you would also have a QB for the next 15 years instead of 3 . It is a much better LONG TERM plan..

Why would you worry about a Hall of Fame QB busting and not a QB that has never played in the NFL?

For starters, his age and neck problems are major , huge red flags. Luck has no injury history and is 23. Apples and oranges, besides, Luck has almost 0 bust potential. This fan base deserves a franchise QB. I am sick and tired of another AFC team holding up the trophy named after our late owner, while this team sits at home. And I am tired of throwing band aids at our most dire need. It is time to fix the problem once and for all

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 2, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

A future HoF is not a band aid, anymore than Montana was

It’s about taking a shot. It’s not a decade long fix, true, but it’s not a one year experiment either.

For the neck, ever player on every team is one play away from being done for the season or their career. By that argument NO player should ever be signed because they could get hurt.

And finally, for Luck, there is just no way KC is going to be able to trade up to get either Luck or RGIII. There are too many QB needy teams in the top 10. If there were only one or two other teams ahead of KC that were more QB needy than the Chiefs maybe…but there’s not. The bidding war for the top 3 picks is going to be ridiculous. Getting that far up in the draft would make what Atlanta did last year to get Julio Jones look like good business sense.

And don’t leave out the most relevant point here. Bringing Manning here would make just as much business sense for the franchise as it would football sense. Don’t ever forget, the NFL is a business.

by mushin on Feb 3, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

you pay what you have to pay

to get a franchise QB, no price is to steap.That is how important it is

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 3, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

unless the guy doesn't work out and you're left with a team that's worse off than if you hadn't paid that steep price

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by upamtn on Feb 3, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

If I could pick, I'd take Luck or RG3

Bit it’s not going to happen without putting a second lien on the house here. To jump from 11/12 to 3 (at a minimum) will take a ridiculous amount of picks. I want a 1st round QB so bad I can taste it, but it’s not happening this year unless they reach for Tannenhill. And that would be one hell of a reach unless they trade back.

As for the topic? I was planning to dissect the KC superbowl matchup this week…if I can’t go there might as well discuss outlandish ways to make that post a reality in the future.

by mushin on Feb 2, 2012 6:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Not even a guarantee that Tannehill will be there at 11.

I’ve seen several mocks that have Washington taking him at 6.

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree

And I’m not a Tannehill fan to begin with. Though if you had a veteran QB that could get the job done for a few years while he matures I might be more open to him. And Cassel isn’t that guy. Orton probably isn’t either.

by mushin on Feb 3, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay...

who are we getting in the 1st round? We’d likely have to give up 3-4 1st round picks to get the Ram’s 2nd pick. That’s where RG 3 is going. Are you willing to give up 4 1st rounders to get RG3, who has never played a snap of NFL football, or would you rather go after perhaps the greatest QB of all time? We will know before the draft whether we can get Manning or not.

If we do not get RG3, and Luck is absolutely out of the picture, Indy is not trading that pick, then who do we pick? Are you going to use our 11th pick on Ryan Tannehill? Or do we draft a prospect in the 2nd or 3rd or later, pick up Manning, and have Stanzi and either Foles or Osweiler or pickyerguy train behind Manning for 2-3 years? Worked for Rodgers and Brady….

by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm digging the idea a whole lot, mush

I really like bucking the trendy league and doing something different. I wonder though, are their rules against player/coaches in the NFL? If not, sign him up, give him the title, start working on his future after football while he can still play.

Put a clause in his contract that if he can’t play any longer, his yearly salary decreases to the level of an assistant coach.

Send this idea to Pioli and Hunt. Go against the grain, take a chance with something that isn’t the norm. Start a new trend.

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I don't know why a player couldn't be a coach as well, Vrabel was in all but name

If there was push back I would think it would come from the Union as opposed to the league.

by mushin on Feb 2, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Does he like river worms?

I’’ll even bread’em and deep fry’em fer him! And even give’em a side of dipping BBQ sauce – his choice fave! :+) Well, as long as he doesn’t choose Arthur Bryants … yeckkkk!

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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 2, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

WARNING! THIS POST NOT INTENDED TO BE A LOGICAL ARGUMENT!

But it would be sweet to have national attention on the Chiefs that mushin described. You know for something besides Haley’s appearance.

I know it’s just the way national media works, but I get so tired of hearing about the same “America’s Teams” year in and year out.

by Nankerpang on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

Oh it's logical,

It’s the basic premises that are a bit left of center. What else you going to do in the offseason? Watch media day? :)

by mushin on Feb 2, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually ac·knowl·edge the fact my g/f actually exists???
What else you going to do in the offseason?

Well, I can peer thru the very frosty window and she’s out shoveling the drive way, and she looks really cold. And I’m hungry …

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