2012 NFL Mock Draft Goes OT Again For Kansas City Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM CST
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PrintWe've been looking at a number of 2012 NFL mock drafts over the past few weeks and it seems most people think the Kansas City Chiefs will go after the big uglies up front, offensive or defensive line.
SB Nation has consistently mocked an offensive tackle to the Chiefs while both Mel Kiper of ESPN and Don Banks of SI.com selected Penn State DT Devon Still. We've also seen some people send Alabama RB Trent Richardson to the Chiefs.
So now we look at another mock draft -- ESPN's Bill Williamson, who has the Chiefs selecting Stanford OT Jonathan Martin.
Two reactions...
First, I can't complain about the idea of adding offensive line help. GM Scott Pioli has said publicly that improving the offensive line is a priority. He says that stuff a lot about improving the depth and things like that but he specifically named the offensive line, which he doesn't often do. So no only do I think offensive tackle is the best move, I think it's a move the Chiefs might legitimately make. Does Martin play left tackle? Right tackle? However it works out, I'm fine with creating more options along the offensive line.
Second, we're weeks away from having a grip on who the No. 2 offensive tackle is -- Martin, Iowa's Riley Reiff or Ohio State's Mike Adams (or whoever else comes up in the mean time). The Chiefs have those guys ranked -- unfortunately they're not sharing their big board with me. So we don't know how they view these three guys and various mock drafts are pretty inconsistent when it comes to where these three go.
So, I like the idea of the selection, taking an offensive tackle. Time will tell if it's Martin, or someone else, at No. 11 or 12.
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I'm fine with a 1st Rd OT
As long as he can open holes like a damn can opener for JC!
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Joel, I can't believe those guys are being so greedy that they aren't sharing their Big Boards
some people, I yellya
I wouldn’t be TOO disappointed with Martin … I mean, I suppose if I had to I could maybe learn to live with it, if I had to … but if DeCastro was on the board I’d be very unhappy with us passing up the bet player on the board
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I would kick Martin out of my bed.
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 1, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Hogs the blankets
Greedy bastard…
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 1, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
True dat.
About all he can block is Jared Gaither, apparently.
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by Tarkus on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So if Richardson can't block the TV I guess
blocking the “Ice Box” aka Shaun Smith would be out of the question.
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No...he just molests Offensive lineman
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by aPacificChief on Feb 1, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Per our friends at Walter Football:
For Chief fans who want a tackle or something else over Richardson, let me remind you of Arizona’s 2007 NFL Draft. The Cardinals had a very slight need at running back (as much as Kansas City needs one), and Adrian Peterson was on the board at No. 5. They instead opted to take an inferior talent who filled a much bigger need. Five years later, I’m sure Arizona would rather have Peterson over Levi Brown.
Richardson is the best running back prospect since Peterson. Taking him here is the right move because you don’t choose a Levi Brown over an Adrian Peterson.
Let me tell you an equally compelling story...
About two kids named Demario Williams and Reggie Bush.
by juvatbull on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dunno.
Bush finally became the RB he was made to be and Mario is good but is always on IR
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Bush took how long to become ... what?
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I agree partly. If Richardson's on the board I would have to think a team would be willing to trade up for him
Richardson still on the board to swing a deal to move down when Chiefs pick is best option other than landing Luck or RGIII
We don't have a need at RB though, we have JC
I know he is coming off of a knee injury, but I think he will be just fine. Frank Gore tore up both of his knees and he still performs at a high level and Welker tore up his knee and he was good to go in 8 months
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true, but even before the knee injury, JC was getting banged up during games. 17-20 touches max for him
That still leaves 20-25 carries. Don’t want Cassel to have to throw more than 20 times a game
exactly
We will someone else to share snaps with JC who can take a few good hits and still keep on truckin’
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If we are drafting a complimentary RB
rather do it in the 4th or later. Recent history will tell you plenty of good Rb can be had late.
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yes, we need a RB who say nice things
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by upamtn on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so it would seem
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fixed
Don’t want Cassel to have to throw more than 2 times a game
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fixed
Don’t want Cassel to have to throw more than 2 times a game
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touche
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fixed
Don’t want Cassel to have to throw more than 2 times a game
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by severn58 on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
the definitive fix
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'nuff said?
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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by ChiefWildcat on Feb 1, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
You know you opened up the flood gates for all the Cassel supporters now
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JC can't carry the load.
Jamaal Charles is a 195 pound running back coming off a major knee injury who has never carried in ball more than 230 times in a season as a pro. If Trent Richardson falls to them he would be the best player available. Thomas Jones is at the end of his career and Jamaal Charles is coming off a serious injury. Running backs slide in the draft, but Richardson is a special talent and too good for Kansas City to pass on. In 2011, Richardson had 24 total touchdowns (21 rushing, three receiving). He also ran for 1,679 yards, averaging 5.9 yards per carry. Richardson caught 29 passes for 338 yards and three touchdowns as well.
Love how people try to say Richardson is such a special talent.. yet him ''falling'' mid to late first
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
For Chief fans who want a tackle or something else over Richardson, let me remind you of Arizona’s 2007 NFL Draft. The Cardinals had a very slight need at running back (as much as Kansas City needs one), and Adrian Peterson was on the board at No. 5. They instead opted to take an inferior talent who filled a much bigger need. Five years later, I’m sure Arizona would rather have Peterson over Levi Brown.
And for what its worth, since taking Brown over Peterson Arizona has gone to and almost won a Super Bowl while AP has wasted away in god awful Minnesota.
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The Vikings were a game away from getting there
If Favre wouldn’t have thrown that int against the Saints
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That year had more to do with Favre, their receviers, and their defense though...
All Day has been great every other year and they haven’t done squat.
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What an odd summation to that game.
Favre’s int lost it? Wasn’t the 8 lost fumbles, the blatant roughing the passer calls not called, the rediculous pass interference in overtime….oh and how about the 12 men in the huddle that pushed them out of field goal range requiring #4 to actually throw the ball in that spot, rather then taking a knee and setting up the Field goal.
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
I don't need all of your facts and evidence
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by KingChief on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Chiefs need a RT, but if they grade out Martin, Adams, Glenn, RT ____ at about the same grade, trade down!
One of those guys should still be available 5-10 picks later.
Go further than that.
Even from the bottom of the first or top of the 2nd, they can get a massive RT upgrade to BRich.
I worry about either DeCastro or Martin from Stanford.
Did one of thise guys make the other look much better than he actually is? A la Sims and Julius Peppers?
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Cause one was LT one was RG?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't Decastro LG?
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 1, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
No, RG
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
He's a RG?!?!!?
We want a RG to be 11th overall?
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
No we want a RG at 11th overall to switch to LG
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Ahh
I still don’t want a guard that high, but especially RG.
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
He would be LG, not moving Asamoah
Guard would help in the redzone and short yardage, I can see the reasoning behind it
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
this^^^
great OLines help the QB and the RB … everywhere on the field
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he's an elite top-ten athlete who happens to play RG and is hands down the best Interior Lineman in the country
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I think played RG but could easily play LG at NFL level
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You think?
You’re not even sure where your man crush played?
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Oh. Maybe Im just imagining him as a LG because he would be replacing Lilja (most likely)
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by nateforchiefs on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
that's my hope
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I have a feeling if we are going OT
we will trade down and get one because we can get one of those guys in the back of the 1st round
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that's the spirit of Pioli
never accept the best thing that’s out there when you can trade back and get mediocrity instead ;-)
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Good thing we traded back instead of getting Berry
;)
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
That was a bit different.
Not justifying it but trading out of the 3rd pick with a lack of “I WANT THAT GUY” was pretty hard. Rock and a hard place there…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I didnt take it that way...
Looking back at that draft was really tough to do anything but take a chance… Man what a crappy top 10 that year was!
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
It takes two to tango.
And I don’t think there was a lot of teams wanting to give up draft picks and a hell of a lot of money for a mediocre prospect.
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Not only that.
Picks that high were really expensive then. I don’t think Pioli’s phone was ringing off the hook from potential suitors.
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I agree...
After the top 3 OT’s it is a pretty good drop off. Adams will go MUCH higher than his film says. He looks the part of a perfect OT in the NFL and teams will fall in love with him…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I've read that
Sanders is pretty good…if we address G in free agency, then we could get Sanders on the cheap and pick up an extra pick or two…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 1, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I heard that he played poorly in the senior bowl
of course I don’t know that for sure I don’t have NFL network
Skinny looking OT, looks more like a TE
Scaaaaaaaaaary.
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I thought the same thing.
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he looks more than 20 inches across at the belly. That is not skinny.
It might just be his small head.
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by Chiefs_swagger on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Did he play RT or LT at Stanford?
And if he played LT then is he just a product benefiting of DeCastro being that good or even having Luck be his QB. Great QBs can make a poor offensive line look decent…
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LT
How did he benefit from a RG?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Kept his armpits dry?
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by Tarkus on Feb 1, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
OR having a great QB?
Did you stop reading?
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Or ya know.. you used OR.. one or the other..
I chose one.. care to answer how he benefited from a RG yet?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
OR ever heard of something called a "team sport"?
They have to play as a cohesive unit. One could make an argument they all benefited from eachother.
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good point, which is why we should want the best OLine we can get
especially the interior as a group … LG-C-RG … we have Hudson and Asamoah already, so now all we need is DeCastro
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great OLines help make great QB's
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Great running game can hide bad QBs
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
What's easier
Plug in a journeyman and surround him with perhaps the greatest line of all time, or get a real QB?
I know “get a real QB” isn’t exactly easy either, but if should be your #1 job if you are creating a team. Plus I’d argue the game has changed, even from a decade ago.
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Until we can get the QB
Which no matter how bad some of us want to go get RGIII, might as well fix the Oline and help the running game and QB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
I know I know I know
I’m speaking in all hypotheticals, and I am all for improving the Oline, my point is that I feel you’ll never be a SB contender with a great Oline, great running game and a ho-hum QB.
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
the Ravens would prove otherwise
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WITH a great defense it can be done
However a good QB changes everything
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Had the Chiefs been able to field something better than the 30th ranked defense any of those years
We would have been a SB contender with a great o-line, great running game, and a ho-hum QB…
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Why did my phone try to autocorrect ‘ho-hum’ to ‘up-hum’? How is that better? Is that even a phrase?
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why do we want "the easy way"
shouldn’t we want “the best way” instead?
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The best way is to get the franchise QB.
There is not a doubt in my mind
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
if we were closer to being a complete team and didn't need to fill in holes ...
yeah, I might agree with that
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Craig
I agree, the best way to ensure continued playoff/Super Bowl contention for years is to land the franchise QB.
Unfortunately, the best way is also most difficult way, because there are like 4 or 5 such QB’s each decade or so.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I'll take the franchise QB if available.
But if not, then I want to give my non-franchise QB all the help I can.
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Alex Smith this year and Matt Cassel in 2010 showed what a good Oline and running game can do
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
even for a not very good QB
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I don't get it
The line was good in 2010, but shitty in 2011? It was esentially the same line.
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Lilja and Weigs were not the same players
Brich.. is well Brich
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Waters was gone, Wiegs was another year older, Asamoah first year starting, Lilja at different position
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he said "different" not "the same only more so"
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Except he regressed.
He was serviceable in 2011. 2012? Not so much.
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Better run game made Brich look better cause he didn't have to protect as often
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
JC made the line look much better than they were.
Or the slowness of the RB’s this year made them look worse. Either way the RB hid deficiencies.
Ding ding ding
Great QBs can make a poor offensive line look decent…
Addressing the Oline with no QB is like putting $1000 tires on a piece of shit car.
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
not addressing the Oline is like a shiny new car with no tires
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers
Consistantly had below average lines. Rodgers was downright bad and Indi hasn’t had a good Olineman in Peytons time, other than the Joel Thorman lookalike.
by craig in calgary on Feb 1, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda like this
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Interesting... the guy's a beast, but with Hali and Hosuton at OLB, if the Chiefs feel he can be the guy at SILB
I think he played ILB at Alabama last year, and OLB this year if I’m remembering correctly
Do you mean Hightower who played ILB?
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Team Zing!
there ya go
we can lose games 3-0 and go 0-16 while having the best defense in the league
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
We can win 2 a year
I mean we play the Raiders and with our secondary, surely we can get a few more pick-6s
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
you win
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
If Haley could win more than 2 games with 22 guys off the street.......
….. then RAC should also.
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All of their LBs move around, but he is much more of a SOLB prospect than SILB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
DeCastro at 11
Glenn in the 2nd.
Albert/DeCastro/Hudson/Asamoah/Glenn
by DizzyKC on Feb 1, 2012 11:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we address G in free agency we will pick up a T in the first
vice versa. I can see Pioli trading back and taking Glenn and picking up another 2 or 3 after signing a T in free agency
Crap on crap
still gets you crap it is just shinny new crap…
That would be like replacing Cassel with Campbell…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
This isn't Madden
You can’t have All-Pro players at every position. You can only upgrade the positions you have, and that kid from Buffalo would be a HUGE upgrade. Like I said, anyone would be an upgrade, BRich graded out as the worst lineman in the NFL
Bell?
The guy who is a good pass blocker but subpar run blocker?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I've heard opposite
A finesse pass blocker, who is decent in space but is subpar at in line blocking and sealing the edge
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Fred Jackson seemed to
have a pretty good year until he got hurt. That seems to tell me that Bell can run block decent enough.
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Chiefs 2012 Record will be 12-4, AFC West Champs!!
BJ Penn, the best P4P fighter on the planet.
Chael Sonnen is the savior of the UFC MW divison.
Team Zing!
you're right ... you can't have every all pro out there
and your point? we know it’s not Madden … well, most of us know
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
You mean the guy who played in more than 8 games only once in 4 years?
Oh and he is a LT…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Haley didn't think he was better than BRich though
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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We can only guess if that is true or not
Gaither is a LT, it is possible he couldn’t switch to RT…
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
It's more he didn't want to play RT
The Ravens flipped him to RT when they drafted Oher, but the 2 big money spots on the oline is C and LT and he knows he won’t get the same payday at RT as he will at LT
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Except when he signed
he said he didn’t care which position he played, in large part because Albert is one of his best friends. He was also the backup RT most of the year, so he was a Richardson injury away from playing RT anyway.
That’s not to say he wouldn’t prefer RT (every T would), but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t or couldn’t play RT.
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They moved him back to LT because Oher is a subpar LT according to Raven fans
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
How can Oher be subpar
when they made a movie about him being on the Blindside. Can’t call him Blindside and then make him play RT. I think I want my money back for that movie now
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They are going to draft a left handed QB?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
perhaps it is because Flacco can't see open recievers?
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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I thought it had more to do with McKinnie
Because McKinnie signed fairly late and was more comfortable on the left side, they slid Oher to the right side because they felt he was more versatile. Probably don’t do that if you think he’s a lockdown guy at LT, but I don’t think it’s necessarily an indication that they think he’s not any good.
/couldbewrongthough
by u2nspenserfan on Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Even before Gaither was let go, fans wanted him moved back to LT and he was for a stint
Before not being resigned IIRC, fans did not like Oher at LT.. can’t say I saw a lot of it to really know if they were right or not haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Your tackles are only as good as the Guards next to them
If we can pick up Nicks in FA, I say draft an OT.
If we can’t pick up Nicks in FA, I say draft DeCastro
Think how good Albert can be
with a Guards that doesn’t get pushed back every play.
And Asomoah is terrible?
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
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by NJChieffan16 on Feb 1, 2012 12:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd like that get Nicks
and draft Decastro
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 1, 2012 11:52 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
For what reason?
If you get Nicks in FA, no way do you need another first round guard when we already have Asamoah, and Hudson at C waiting.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think you can say that for the whole o-line...
1 weak link anywhere on it you can generally scheme to overcome. 2 or more is generally a disaster.
by u2nspenserfan on Feb 1, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Watching the games I think he did pretty good
so I would say he is developing just fine.
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My problem with Martin
I see him as a natural LT and not a good fit at RT. I know we like undersized linemen, but Martin struggles with the same things Richardson struggles with at RT.
If we did go Martin, I would rather plug him in at LT and move Albert inside to LG, but why fix what ain’t broke in Albert?
Our options are to go LG at our first pick and take the “sure thing” in DeCastro and then try to go RT later (I like a few of the 2nd-3rd round prospects) or try to sign a LG in FA (everyone wants Carl Nicks, but he is going to be too expensive) and draft a RT at #11/12 or trade down.
If Nicks can be had for the right price (which is about 20-25% less of Evans’ contract), pull the trigger. There are teams that are likely willing to pay him, notably the Cowboys (report came out last week that they want him). I don’t see us winning a bidding war with the Cowboys.
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Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Honest question
I’m fairly confident Pioli will address the RT position either in FA or draft. My question is: Do you think Mims has a chance to push BRich completely off the roster?
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No
Brich can stay as a swing tackle as he has experience, Mims can go back on the PS or be let go all together
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
I hope he addresses the OL in FA
I’d like the pick but would really like a more impact player with our 1st rounder if not a QB then NT/ILB but also wouldn’t be mad to see Trent slip right into our hands but I don’t see him falling out of the top 10
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Some mocks
have Trent slipping all the way to 17 or 18…RB’s in the draft rarely go first round…has to be a pretty special back…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 1, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
No NT worth a first for our scheme, nor is SILB that big of a hole
We can use an upgrade yes, but that pick can go other directions first.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
again, I agree with you
I don’t see a NT or SILB in the first 3 rounds that would over-ride my thought of loading up on OL and TE/RB
I like Hightower, and think he would be a great pick up in the second
I just think there should be better options Oline/TE/RB/DB even
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
so we should stack up on OL?
I do like that but idk only if they go Decastro in the 1st and idk who is going to drop in to the 2nd for OT Adams? idk but I do like a chance at an explosive player in the 1st
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
What about that kid Ronz?
C/G ssame size and stats as DeCastro. You cover 2 positions in one pick. Any word on how Mims is developing??
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Ronz?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Will be gone by our second pick, not worth our first..
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
does anyone realize that Albert was a RT in college? let him go to his normal position and get a quality LT. Albert has done a good job, but we can do better
Actually he played LG
Have fun with your ‘normal’ position crap. Martin/Reiff/Adams would out play Albert at LT for us this year, we would just weaken the line
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
finally
some people may be wising up.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
How is that?
Passed 999999999 years ’’experts’’ have mocked an OT to us haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
NT
Delvin Johnson NT/DT out of Marshall 6-21/2 325 has good film on youtube
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