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Where Will Free Agent Peyton Manning Sign?

There's a chance that Peyton Manning, one of the greatest quarterbacks in league history, will be a free agent this spring. If that happens, I believe he'll sign with the team that gives him the best chance of winning championships during the last few years of his career. With that in mind, here's a list of key criteria Manning will likely consider as he examines suitors:

  • Defensive Ability - Do they have a strong defense against both the pass and the run?
  • Offensive Ability - Do they have a decent receiving corps? Do they have a solid offensive line? Most importantly, do they have a strong running game (think about John Elway's success with Terrell Davis)?
  • Management Stability - How patient is the owner? How successful is the GM? How proven is the coach? How secure are all three in their positions?
  • QB Situation - Have they acquired a QB recently who is expected to become the starter? We're assuming Peyton will play for more than three years, so he's less likely to sign with a team that has a future starter waiting expectantly in the wings.
  • State of the Team - How old is the roster? How have they performed in the past few seasons?
  • State of the Division - Are the other teams in the division good? The worse they are the better, as it will make it easier for Manning to get to the playoffs.

This article will use these factors to identify the team Manning is most likely to sign with.

Star-divide

Narrowing the List

Let's quickly narrow down the list of destinations. The reasoning below includes Peyton's considerations as defined above and the team's perspective based on their QB situation:

Team Current QB Potential Destination?
Arizona Kevin Kolb Just acquired Kolb
Atlanta Matt Ryan Solid starter
Baltimore Joe Flacco Maybe
Buffalo Ryan Fitzpatrick Extended Fitzpatrick, rebuilding
Carolina Cam Newton Stud young player, rebuilding
Chicago Jay Cutler Solid starter
Cincinnati Andy Dalton Stud young player, tough division
Cleveland Colt McCoy Rebuilding, tough division
Dallas Tony Romo Solid starter, owner thinks he's a good GM
Denver Tim Tebow Rebuilding, GM learning on the job
Detroit Matthew Stafford Solid starter
Green Bay Aaron Rodgers Solid starter
Houston Matt Schaub Solid starter
Jacksonville Blaine Gabbert New owner, rebuilding
Kansas City Matt Cassel Maybe
Miami Chad Henne Rebuilding, tough division
Minnesota Christian Ponder Rebuilding, young player in wings
New England Tom Brady Solid starter
New Orleans Drew Brees Solid starter
NY Giants Eli Manning Solid starter
NY Jets Mark Sanchez Maybe; a popular media pick
Oakland Carson Palmer Rebuilding, unstable, just acquired Palmer
Philadelphia Michael Vick Solid starter
Pittsburgh Ben Roethlisberger Solid starter
San Diego Philip Rivers Solid starter
San Francisco Alex Smith Maybe
Seattle Tarvaris Jackson Maybe
St. Louis Sam Bradford Solid starter, rebuilding
Tampa Bay Josh Freeman Solid starter, rebuilding
Tennessee Matt Hasselbeck Young player in wings
Washington Rex Grossman Rebuilding, tough division, unstable owner

Determining the Finalists

Let's look at the remaining five contenders in greater detail:

  • Baltimore Ravens - I think this is the ideal destination. The defense is incredible, they've stockpiled good receivers in recent years and they have an excellent RB in Ray Rice. Imagine that rock-solid defense with a consistent and perhaps even high-scoring offense. Unfortunately, it's unclear if they intend to move on from the mediocre Joe Flacco, and they play in an extremely tough division against the equally good Steelers and the emerging Bengals. Furthermore, Ray Lewis is 36, Ed Reed is 33 and Reed has considered retirement. If I was Ozzie Newsome, I'd bench Flacco and put on a full-court press to get Manning, but that scenario is too perfect to actually happen.
  • Kansas City Chiefs - With a highly regarded GM, a young roster, a solid three-deep receiving corps with a good pass-catching tight end, a defense that improved throughout the season, an absolute stud RB in Jamaal Charles, very good defensive coaching and no proven QB or QB-in-waiting, the Chiefs should be one of the front-runners when Peyton starts examining suitors. They have the added advantage of playing in a division with no dominant teams, which should make the road to the playoffs easier. However, they'll have a new HC next year, the RB is returning from a torn ACL and their offensive line has been inconsistent.
  • NY Jets - Why would Peyton want to play Belichick's Patriots twice a year? Why would he want to go to a team currently surrounded by allegations of "me-first" players? The Jets are often mentioned as leaders in the potential race for Manning, but they aren't a good match. They seem to have a good defense (though they were 20th in scoring defense this year), but they're unsettled along the offensive line and are thin at WR, especially if they cut or trade Holmes. Sanchez is also only in his third year and they paid three players and a second round pick to the Browns to get him, which means the OC is a more likely candidate to be replaced.
  • San Francisco 49ers - With impressive first year HC Jim Harbaugh, the league's second best scoring defense in 2011, recent first round picks on the offensive line, and an older but productive RB in Frank Gore, the 49ers might be the most attractive destination for Manning. They have the added advantage of playing in one of the weakest divisions, which should make the road to the playoffs easier. However, they're basically one-deep at the receiver position, have a rookie GM, drafted a QB with a high second round pick in 2011 and their offensive line picks haven't yet proven themselves.
  • Seattle Seahawks - The only way Manning would go to the Seahawks is if the 49ers were off the table, which we're assuming they're not. Pete Carroll has taken a 5-11 team and gone 7-9 in consecutive seasons, Marshawn Lynch is not a reliable threat and Doug Baldwin is their most productive receiver. They fielded a top ten scoring defense in 2011, but their performance may have been inflated by getting to play their own scoring-challenged division.

Examining the Finalists

Based on our analysis by team, we can narrow the list down to two finalists: the 49ers and the Chiefs. Each team has its own advantages:

The 49ers

  • The better coaching situation - Harbaugh proved himself by improving a 6-10 team to 13-3 with a division title. The Chiefs don't have any coaching situation to offer up for comparison, having fired their head coach late in the season.
  • Unproven division opponents - Both divisions are bad, but the Chiefs have to play the Chargers with Philip Rivers, who, prior to this year, was considered to be one of the better QBs in the league. The closest to a proven QB in the NFC West is Sam Bradford, but the Rams are looking for a new GM and HC.

The Chiefs

  • The more proven GM - If he's going to play for more than a couple seasons, Manning will consider which GM will be able to make the necessary moves to keep the team competitive. The 49ers have a solid roster, but it was put together by Scott McCloughan, who was forced out in 2010; new GM Trent Baalke has only run the 2011 draft and off-season. Scott Pioli has a long history of being among the best GMs in the league, and a player as immersed in football as Manning surely noticed all the keen moves Pioli presided over while at the Patriots.
  • The better receiving corps - Manning will surely take into consideration how effective he can be with the team's receiving corps. The 49ers are one-deep at receiver with Michael Crabtree. They have a good but not elite pass-catching tight end in Vernon Davis. Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and Moeaki provide a clear competitive advantage for the Chiefs.
  • No established starter or QB-in-waiting - Harbaugh was only able to work with 49ers starting QB Alex Smith for a short period of time because of the labor negotiations, but the results have been impressive. If the 49ers believe Smith can mature into anywhere near the first overall pick he was selected to be, it could be disastrous to bench him in favor of the much older Manning. The 49ers also moved up in the 2011 draft's second round to pick Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick, a strong indication that they eventually expect him to be their starter. In contrast, Matt Cassel regressed in 2011, and the highest pick the Chiefs have spent on a QB under Scott Pioli is a fifth rounder for Ricky Stanzi. This combination means Manning would likely be more secure as the starter for the Chiefs for the duration of his career.

Where I Think He'll Sign

There's no clear-cut front-runner, as the 49ers and Chiefs are very similar teams: they play in weak divisions, have strong defenses and playmakers on offense. However, San Francisco's better coaching situation and unproven division opponents are two key advantages that I don't think Manning will be able to ignore. Manning may also believe the 49ers have enough to work with that he could make their passing game top-notch, negating the Chiefs perceived advantage at WR. Finally, the 49ers likely know that Smith will never be as good a QB as Manning and would be willing to bench, trade or cut him for the short-term success Manning would bring them. This combination leads me to believe that Manning's most likely destination if he becomes a free agent is the 49ers.

But remember, Pioli has a history of bringing in veterans with something left to prove near the end of their careers. If he hires a sharp coach and improves the offensive line's pass protection, I could definitely see him sweet talking Manning into coming to Kansas City.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Good read

I don’t think we will get him it would be nice! Also remember we have not resigned Bowe yet, so I would not call us 3 deep at WR. I do hope we resign him and Carr!

by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Jan 9, 2012 7:39 AM CST reply actions  

the Colts have til early march to decide if they want to pick up the option for 2012 ... that #28 Million doesn't kick in until that date

as per Andrew Brandt of National Football Post

A deeper look at the contract may provide a clue why the Colts waited so long to complete this negotiation. The Colts inserted a 2012 option that allows them to – perish the thought – move on from Manning with no further obligation.

A $28 million option bonus is exercisable on the fourth day of the 2012 League Year, typically in early March. If Manning is still a Colt that day, he will receive that $28 million payment whether the Colts exercise it or not (insured through a non-exercise fee for the same amount).

As any option clause in dozens of NFL contracts – I wrote many of them as a team executive – the team could release the player prior to the option exercise date with no further obligation. Thus, the Colts can terminate Manning – his contract, not him – prior to the fourth day of the 2012 League Year and the contract is void with no money due.

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by upamtn on Jan 9, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Cam Newton received a $14,518,000 bonus.

Luck’s will be higher. That plus what Peyton will get is an awful lot of money tied into one position on a team coming off the worst record in the NFL.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't bonus money counted against the cap every year in some fraction of the amount...

Not all at once?

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 9, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

If Colts keep Peyton without restructuring they'll be paying their QB's $52 million in 2012

Peyton gets $28 million on March 8th (trades begin March 13) and then is due a $7.5 million base salary. Luck with receive around a $15 million bonus plus a low base salary. Some where in the neighborhood of $2 million.

Peyton is $35.5 million and Luck is $17 million for 2012. There is NO WAY they pay that much money to two QB’s next year. If he’s healthy, he’s playing somewhere else next year.

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by BJ Kissel on Jan 9, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Hard to imagine the worst team in the NFL paying that kind of money for one position.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

However, don't forget that the Colts had already planned on taking the Manning cap hit.

While that is a lot of money to pay QBs for one year, you have to look at the long term return. Does Andrew Luck make them SB contenders in his first season? Probably not. Regardless of all the hype, he will still be just a rookie and has plenty to learn. However, a returning Peyton does make them competitive right away.

Keeping Manning pays immediate dividends while drafting Luck works best as a long term move. So, why not take the big hit for one season in exchange for getting the best of both worlds? Let Luck ride the bench for a season to learn from Peyton. This also makes Peyton easier to trade in the 2013 season because teams will avoid the roster bonus.

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by citadelchief on Jan 9, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

If they Keep Manning they have to re-sign Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday and Robert Mathis

Those guys are free agents too and they can’t pay for them all. If they decide to make a run with Peyton they’ll need these guys if they’re serious.

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by BJ Kissel on Jan 10, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

and Manning knows that as well ...

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by upamtn on Jan 10, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Dallas Clark too

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Saturday and Mathis they definitely need.

But Manning has already shown that he can take average WRs and make them look a lot better. He should be fine with Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon.

And with Saturday, he’s probably more likely to stick around WITH Manning than without him. On top of their own friendship, Saturday is also coming to retirement age soon. He’s not going to want to be a part of a rebuilding team this late in his career.

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by citadelchief on Jan 10, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The $28M is a bonus

and it would be spread over the cap for the four years of the deal. So this year Peyton would be $7.5M in salary plus $7M in bonus, with a cap number of $15.5M. Luck would be the same, $15M or so signing bonus, but with low salaries (Cam’s four year deal had salaries of $.4M, $1.4M, $2.4M, $3.4M after $15M bonus) giving him a cap number under $5M. The cap won’t prevent them from carrying both if they want.

The complication comes if they want to get rid of Peyton next year or the year after. If a player is cut or traded mid contract, then all of the bonus money that hasn’t been prorated into the cap comes off the next year. So if the Colts pay Manning, play him in ‘12 with Luck on the bench, and then want to trade Peyton in the next offseason, then the remaning $21M of his bonus would come off the cap as dead money in ’13, and if they cut him, any guaranteed salary remaining would have to be paid and come off the cap, too. Under the old CBA, they could wait until June 1 to cut or trade him and the cap hit would be split between that year and the following year, but I don’t know if that’s in the new CBA.

sooner or later, God'll cut you down...

by nmchief on Jan 10, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem also would be, ya know, actually giving a guy $28 mil, cap hit or not

And then even thinking about trading or cutting him. Under one of your scenarios, of trading or cutting him after one year, you would pay him $28 mil in cash bonus and then $7.5 mil in salary, so $35 mil of actual cash for one year?

And also draft Luck? Doesn’t seem plausible to me. I’m not saying they aren’t going to pay him, but I think if they do, he’s going to stay and QB there for at least 2 or 3 seasons minimum. Why they would do this, with Luck available, idk.

by kcsno56 on Jan 10, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I'm glad I don't have to make that call.

Not only would it be $35M for one year, but they gave him $20M last year, when they knew he probably wouldn’t play a down…

I personally think they’ll be forced to let go of Peyton and draft Luck, but what do I know…

sooner or later, God'll cut you down...

by nmchief on Jan 10, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

very nice analytical breakdown and summarry ... well done, well done indeed

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by upamtn on Jan 9, 2012 8:01 AM CST reply actions  

Wrecked, for the dream.

This has been my wish all along. Thanks for identifying the potential suitors for this hypothetical situation.

Now click those heels together three times…

by Ozarks on Jan 9, 2012 8:04 AM CST reply actions  

like the Eskimo who was lost in the Great White North and did that, while repeating ...

there’s no place like Nome …
there’s no place like Nome …
there’s no place like Nome …

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 9, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

actually

Nome is a great place!!!

by FrozenFan on Jan 9, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice breakdown, but you omitted one important factor

M.O.N.E.Y.

Not that he’ll go to the highest bidder necessarily, but it will be a factor.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 9, 2012 8:10 AM CST reply actions  

Yep.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought about money a lot but I don't know how much Manning cares

I’m sure he has some ego and expects high-level compensation, but I just can’t imagine a guy who loves football as much as he does with a net worth north of $100 million on the last few years of his career taking the larger contract rather than the best fit to win championships. As far as dollars under the salary cap, it’s so malleable I didn’t feel like discussing it.

Money is definitely a factor if he gets traded, but that’s another article.

by Wait and See on Jan 9, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, money is less about need.

And more about ego, standing, and feeling appreciated.

At least in the case of players who are already filthy rich.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

which is why that $28M figure can be tossed out the window

he’s going to get big money … regardless of where he is

re-sign with Colts (possibly for less)
re-sign and be traded as part of new agreement
walk as Free Agent
retire

can’t see any other options here … a lot will depend on how he feels about Luck coming in as the “obvious” heir to his Indianapolis Throne (not to mention how he’s doing physically in the next month)

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by upamtn on Jan 9, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Easy for you to throw someone else's $28M out the window.

And you completely missed my point.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

that's what I do best
And you completely missed my point

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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by upamtn on Jan 9, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Point taken.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

What?

I missed it. =(

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by TRSChief on Jan 9, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Manning will NOT be

Cut by the Colts! The colts are you made Manning and he is what has made the Colts the Colts. IF they actually cut him, what would that say about him? would he even be worth signing? probably NOT! He is a Colt for life. IF they were to cut him he would retire and just go back to his job on the sideline(or in the booth) like he had this year! Stop Dreaming people!

by soldierguy38 on Jan 9, 2012 8:15 AM CST reply actions  

I dont know aout that JMC.

The colts have had a few other QBs, most recently was right before Manning..our other ackillies heal as a colt in case you forgot, Harbaugh. My only point here is that the colts where not made by Manning, he did a lot..no doubt but they where a playoff team before he got there too just sayin.

As for being a colt for life, things can change. No comparison of talent here but the situation…Trent Green left KC after doing great things here because of a coaching change and guy who was impersonating a QB who shall not be named. Yes Trent was done so not a perfect compairison but the situation is not that far off.

As for retiring if cut, I dont think that is in Manning, if he can play he will play. Be it as a colt or somewhere else. There are records he has not set and more that one ring to be chased for a QB that is so passionate about the game.

Nothing here is dreaming, noone knows what will come of this BUT the fact that Indy CAN cut ties with no penalty, take possibly the bast QB prospect to come out of college in years, reload with the saved money by letting Manning walk and build for the future makes an argument for the fact that Manning could be a Free Agent. I dont think he will be myself but I am not going to be short sighted and say its a dream, too much there that makes sense.

**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**

by BDCinSA on Jan 9, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah he looked REAL excited to be on the sidelines this year...

Thinking that he would retire or move on to coaching is more of a dream than him being cut by Indy. There is a business side to football that wil always account for things happening.
I agree that Manning will probably be a Colt next year.

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 9, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Like Favre was a Packer for life?

Things change, thats just how it goes.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 9, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Montana in SF

I agree man thing happen in the NFL…

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 9, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that had a lot to do with Polian's firing.

It gave them an opportunity to make a clean break and start fresh.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

It shields the owner from fan wrath a little bit

“well, we’re starting all over from scratch and rebuilding, and it was the GM’s call”

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 9, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

$$$$$$$

which Clark Hunt is hanging onto for dear life. He is very David Glass-like.

"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance

by KHAZAD on Jan 9, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Derrick Johnson, Jamaal Charles, Tamba Hali, and Brandon Flowers

Would like to disagree with you.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 9, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The 12 playoff teams

who spent an average of $23 million more than the Chiefs an payroll beg to differ.

"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance

by KHAZAD on Jan 10, 2012 2:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, my mistake

Those were early numbers, prior to cuts and such. Actually the number is closer to $36.5 million, or nearly 1.5 times as much per team.

I don’t think teams have to reach the hard floor until 2013. Mr. Hunt has chosen to take his profit while he can. Looking for him to go all in on the 2012 season is a fool’s dream.

"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance

by KHAZAD on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Those playoff teams have damn good QBs to take a big chunk out of their cap

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 10, 2012 5:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Could I see the source you're using?

I’ve been looking for a site that has that info forever….

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Altius

for 2010 and 2011. Usa Today for 2009 and earlier.

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by KHAZAD on Jan 10, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you!

Now with regards to the amount of money spent… I’ll agree with you if we don’t get Bowe and Carr re-signed and make no other moves.

The way we’ve gone makes sense to me if Pioli viewed us as a young, up-and-coming non-contender.

No sense locking up all your future money in contracts if you want to retain flexibility.

I was all on board with the “Hunt is SO cheap” talk. But dropping over 150 million dollars on four players in the last year and a half has given him some grace for me (I could includes Succop and Breaston here as well, another 35 million or so).

I’m waiting to see if he keeps McClain as well… I could go back to agreeing with you.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

correction

Pro Football Talk for 2010- that was the hardest to find.

"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance

by KHAZAD on Jan 10, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always found number different from site to site

It’s frustrating.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 10, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

These "Hunt is cheap" arguments get so old

Pioli is allegedly the highest paid GM in the business and one of the first moves was to give Cassel a HUGE contract that most people argued was TOO MUCH money. We’ve seen four good, young players get sizable extensions (deservedly huge in the case of Hali), and we’re likely to see the same with Bowe and Carr (or a a tag and trade). Which really good players have we let get away since Pioli got here because we wouldn’t pay them? (And don’t say Shaun Smith, go look at his numbers and role before and after 2010.)

Every time a player comes up for a new contract, people immediately start saying “Why haven’t we signed him? We’re cheap!” Negotiations take a while; it’s really that simple. In the current case, we even had something vitally more important to do (find a head coach) and people still won’t show any patience.

I will give you the smallest bit of credit because at least you attempted to compare us to playoff teams and gave numbers, but what about all the teams that spent a lot of money and didn’t make the post-season? Show us a longer-term causal relationship between spending and success if you really want to make your point.

by Wait and See on Jan 10, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

The Chiefs

despite our hopes, and talk (Just like this year) of our cap room and the money we have to spend, were surprisingly dormant in free agency last year. They made a conscious decision not to address their depth, which directly led to us missing the playoffs.

The Chiefs were 32nd in payroll in 2008 and 2009, 31st in 2010, and 30th in 2012. That is a significant pattern. They have spent less than any other team over the last 4 seasons, and only the Buccaneers are close.

Despite Tampa Bay cutting their 2011 payroll to a level that would have been last in the league every year since 2003, they have still spent $4 million more than us over the past 4 seasons. The next closest is the Cincinnati Bengals, whose owner Mike Brown, has a nationwide reputation for cheapness. The Bengals have spent $69 million more than the Chiefs since 2008. In all, the other 31 teams spent an average of $123 million more than the Chiefs since 2008, or nearly $31 million per team, per year. Our own division spent a total of $358 million more than we did, or around $30 million per team, per year.

My point is that all evidence points to the fact that Clark Hunt is the cheapest owner in the NFL, and that only the Glazers are even in the running. Any hopes that he will break out the wallet for 2012, when he does not have to, are false hopes. Our only saving grace is that he will HAVE to add $30 million or more by 2013 because the hard floor will kick in, a rule that was meant for owners like him.

Jeff Fischer turned us down because when he brought up weaknesses that needed to be addressed, Hunt and Pioli showed little interest in addressing those needs. He has since narrowed it down to two teams that seem less playoff ready than the Chiefs, but whose owners have shown a willingness to spend the money to address their needs. (Between the two teams, they have spent $246 million more than the Chiefs since 2008)

Quod Erat Demonstratum.

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by KHAZAD on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

you were privy to those talks and know what was said? wow, cool! so, just what needs WERE those? I mean, is it possible that what Fisher thinks are "needs" are simply different than what Pioli thinks? (and if Pioli is right, who needs Fisher)
Jeff Fischer turned us down because when he brought up weaknesses that needed to be addressed, Hunt and Pioli showed little interest in addressing those needs

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by upamtn on Jan 10, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Insufficient at best, intentionally misleading at worst

The pattern you show in your second paragraph is that our payroll has continued to climb relative to the rest of league since 2008. Why did you start with 2008 anyway? Clark took over no later than 2007 (Lamar died at the end of 2006). Could it be that you didn’t want to include the fact that we were fifth in the league in spending in 2007?

Do you remember what happened to the roster from 2007 to 2008 and why? Edwards and Peterson went full-on youth movement and dumped every overpriced, ineffective veteran they could. Our spending did exactly what any good manager would want it to do in that situation. You’re now seeing it increase slowly as Pioli extends the young guys who have performed well and sign multi-year deals with free agents he thinks can be effective Chiefs.

Using Cincy, Oakland, Denver and TB as spending examples is an awful choice. Since 2009 (when our new GM/coach arrived), Tampa Bay and Denver have worse records than us, Oakland has the same record as us and Cincy has won 2 more games. The Chargers have a much better record, primarily because of 2009, and appear to be on the decline. You’re upset that we haven’t spent as much as those dysfunctional teams? Are you saying you’d be happier if we spent money like them but performed the same as we have?

Also, who exactly do you want to spend the money on? FA’s weigh a lot of factors (winning, geography, teammates, coach, etc.) in determining which team they go to. A player who only thinks about money is probably not a guy you want (see Albert Haynesworth).

upamtn covers the Jeff Fisher point perfectly.

Tacking QED on the end of an invalid proof doesn’t make it valid.

by Wait and See on Jan 10, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I never understood the "Hunt is cheap" thing for these very reasons.

The Chiefs are worth about $1 Billion. If he’s so concerned about money, he could sell the team and live whatever lifestyle he wants for the rest of his life.

by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 10, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Put your head in the sand if you want

It makes no difference to me. I did not include 2007 because that year was a year of transition after Lamar’s death. It had nothing to do with our salary, much of which was committed to by Lamar.

Jeff Fischer said that the Chiefs were not committed to winning, and the financial evidence of this is overwhelming.

We have not gone up in Salary over the past 4 years, as a matter of fact the 2011 payroll was our lowest since 2002. We have merely not been last the last two years because of an historic payroll dump by the Glazers in Tampa Bay. We also manged to spend a million more than the Panthers last year, but even including 2011, the Panthers have spent $84 million more than the Chiefs since 2008 (and they still rank 28th in the league over that time) I was not trying to say that the teams I mentioned were better than us, just that they were trying harder. (Though the Chiefs are in a 3 way tie for the 27th best record, and last in their division over that time.) I used our division teams because they are our direct competition, and Cinci and Tampa Bay because they have reputations as cheap teams but have spent more than us.

I don’t want us to stupidly spend money like Washington or Dallas, but being last in the league and not addressing needs that even a casual fan could see is unacceptable. Spending 72% of the average is unacceptable. (The highest salaried team only spent $92 million above average so we are a true outlier at $123 million below average) It will be legally unacceptable (thankfully) in 2013, but there is no reason to expect any change this year.

Under the Hunt/Pioli leadership, we are the cheapest team in football. This is a fact, not an opinion. If you want to make excuses for the fact, feel free. I hope the Chiefs surprise me and take their payroll over $100 million this year, and worry about cap room in 2013 instead of about spending enough to reach the salary floor. I don’t think it’s going to happen, and I think that nationwide the perception that the Chiefs are more concerned with profit than a winning product is the prevailing opinion. I think it is the correct one, I think this is who Clark Hunt is, and I think they are doing a disservice to their passionate fans, including you.

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by KHAZAD on Jan 10, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

If you are interested in actual facts on salary expendatures

Between 2003-2008 they can be found here.

The Chiefs were 2nd to last in the NFL in that time period.

What they have done since then, I think you know about. The Chiefs were also specifically mentioned in a email from the Players Assoc. to all the players during last years CBA negotiations as an example of not spending near the cap. There is no getting around that over the last decade, the Chiefs have spent less on player salaries than almost any NFL team. You can cherrypick individual years where spending wasn’t at the very bottom, but overall, it has been.

NOW, the good news for Chiefs fans is, the NFL is forcing the cheap owners to spend money in the new CBA. So starting in 2013 (NOT next season) the Chiefs will be forced to return to having a competitive payroll, similar to what they did for most of the 90’s when they were consistently spending at or near the cap. Oh, it’s also when they were consistently in the playoffs, too.

by kcsno56 on Jan 11, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I liked your post that you linked

For the record, I’m not saying that Clark’s not cheap. What I am saying is that we simply don’t know. Not having spent money does not necessarily mean will not spend money.

by Wait and See on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

That is accurate.

This is the last offseason where he will get to decide on his own. After this year, the NFL will force him.

Let’s see what he does with Carr, Bowe and a potential FA Manning. I would never call him cheap again if he pays what it will take to bring those 3 in.

by kcsno56 on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

That was a great post

(that you linked) The thing I noticed is the relatively small difference over that 6 year period compared with the 4 year difference that included 2 basically uncapped years. They had somewhat of a salary floor in prior years though there were more loopholes in 2008 and 2009 after the NFL opted out.

Over your 6 year period, the Chiefs were only about $95 million (about $16 million per year) below the highest spending team and only $39 million ($6.5 million per year) below the average of the other teams.

Since the opt out, under Clark, the difference is much larger. They are $215 million (about $ 53.75 million per year) below the top spending team and about $123 million (or about $30.75 million per year) below the other team’s average.

Taking only the two uncapped years (there was some semblance of a cap in 2011 but there was great leeway given on the top end and no penalty for the bottom end) the difference is even more drastic. They were $144 million ($72 million per year) below the top spending team and $67 million ($33.5 million per year) below average.

The Chiefs spent about $9 million per year less in 2008-2011 than they did in 2004-2007. In 2010-11, given great leeway in their spending, they reduced their spending by $3.5 million per year compared to 2008-09 (After they initially cut all their veterans.)

With no floor for 2012, I think it is reasonable to expect more of the same.

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by KHAZAD on Jan 11, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Some really smart guy put that post together awhile back...

But yes, I would agree that it would be foolish to expect that Clark will spend a great deal more money in ’12 than he has the last decade b/c he has given us no reason to assume he would.

Again, fortunately, in ’13, the NFL will force him to. Great, great, news for Chiefs fans, and the only thing I was really concerned about in the last CBA.

The Chiefs have been living off the reputation they built in the 90’s of spending to the cap. It’s fairly remarkable considering how long ago that was, that this myth is still out there.

by kcsno56 on Jan 11, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The fact that there is a floor in 2013

actually makes me feel better about 2012. Will they really let DB or BC walk just to save money for 1 year when they’ll have to spend it the year after. I mean if those guys walk who do we pay in 2013? I think we’re close enough to 2013 now, where you can lock up assests long term, if they don’t we’ll be forced to spend money in FA and certainly overpay.

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 11, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

do you think they could pay Bowe less in 2012

and then overpay the rest of the years. The reason to do that would save in 2012 and then use what you saved in 2012 to help hit the floor in 2013 and so on?

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know how Bowe would go for it.

That’s the only problem. Maybe he would…but really, that is pathetic if we are really scheming that way.

How can we structure contracts to have the highest cap #’s in years we have to get to a floor…depressing.

by kcsno56 on Jan 11, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Smart business would be to puch back the bonus

Now this is all on the basis that Peyton would do it. He could just be like Pay me or Cut me. Dont think EGO wont have something to do with his choice. No one wants to have someone looking over their shoulder like Luck would.
This would allow Indy to actually get picks for Peyton. If this year showed anything it is the fact that they need a CRAP load to make this a legit team. They might lose two OL to retirement, lose Wayne and Garcon, lose Mathis to name a few.
A healthy(might be a bigger if but who knows) Peyton would still get you two 1st round picks and it would be “Hey I was traded because Indy wants to rebuild.”

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 9, 2012 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

Why would Manning be concerned about netting picks for Indy, if he's getting traded away?

That’s essentially shorting the team that he’s going to. He’s a competitive guy. He wants to win, and he wants to win the super bowl. Shorting a team that he’s going to sort of defeats that purpose, when he could just get cut and sign wherever he wants to – with that team’s picks in tact.

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by TRSChief on Jan 9, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

Only way Manning would get traded would be if the Colts told him they were going to keep him, pick Luck and start Luck. Manning might request a trade then, while the Colts would still be in a good position to either get picks or have a great backup

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 9, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Not all people

are like “F-YOU” I really dont think Peyton is that type of person. Also as a competitive person would you rather be traded or cut?
Also look at Farve in GB now… You dont think for one minute that he wont put “perception” into his thinking. If he is given the chioce to help his former team(and retirement team) or pull a power trip… Perception in the fans eyes. Then again he may not give a crap…

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 9, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

You're misunderstanding.

It’s not about “FU!”

It’s about not putting the team you’re going to at a disadvantage. Not only are they going to eat what’s inevitably going to be a HUGE salary for Manning, they’re also losing picks. The same picks that could be the difference in him getting another super bowl ring or not.

It just doesn’t make sense.

It’s possible I guess. Things that don’t make sense happen all the time. But it still wouldn’t make it make sense.

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by TRSChief on Jan 9, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you have a link to that?

I was wondering the smae thing myself.

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 9, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Thx man

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 9, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Two things missing:

1), the Chiefs still provide the easier path to a SB, even if winning their division is harder.

If you’re Manning, would you rather have to possibly face: Brady, Rivers, Shaub, Roethlisburger, Flacco, etc?

Or face Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Vick, Romo, Manning, etc?

2). Manning is said to be open to allowing the Colts to move back that $28 M bonus (it makes me sad as well). The implication is that Manning would be traded if this happens….though I’m assuming that by agreeing to do it, the Colts would probably have to agree o trade him to the team of HIS choice, not the team with the best offer, the price could be way too high for an aging future HOF QB coming off (essentially) IR.

Now, if the compensation is in the form of a conditional 2013 draft pick, fine. Otherwise, I’d have a hard time throwing a package at the Colts that could be used to trade up and draft RG III, though even that isn’t my preference.

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 9, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

Question becomes how does the 28Mil bonus work

Will it be lumped onto another team, or will the Colts still have to eat it?

Not many teams out there that could absorb that type of cap hit right off the bat.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 9, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

sheeeeesh people

if the Colts move before early March there is no $28 million …

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by upamtn on Jan 9, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't you sheeeeesh me!

Pick your game up!

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 9, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

don't you tell me who to sheeeeesh and who not to sheeeeesh, young man!

sheeeeeeeeesh!

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by upamtn on Jan 9, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Just did!

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 9, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

This is the only QB I would advocate going all out for

I’m anti-trading up in the draft and anti-giving Matt Flynn a ton of cash.

I hesitated to get on board with this, but if it were an actual option, it must be done and the Chiefs get a few years to be an AFC powerhouse while presumably Stanzi continues to progress.

by Steve_in_RI on Jan 9, 2012 10:11 AM CST reply actions  

ok

Let’s sign Manning. Get Gonzales back and draft DeCastro or Richardson. we could run a 2 tight end(good ones), 3 deep wide out (Priority #1, re-sign Bowe) and the best RB duo in the league…..oh, and Payton Manning.

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 9, 2012 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

Gonzalez just signed an extension with the Falcons.

And I hope they don’t draft a RB in the first round.

Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC

by Tarkus on Jan 9, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure it wouldn't happen

But you make some damn fine points. Good research. rac’d

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by TheScootness on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 AM CST reply actions  

Didn't Tony G sign another 1 year contract with the Falcons?

People who think the Colts owner should give Peyton a 28 million dollar bonus are good at spending other peoples money. I could see Elway going after Manning,I don’t think they are rebuilding any more, if they get a TE and a couple WR they can be dangerous.

I don’t see the Ravens giving up on Flacco, I would like Manning to finish his career in KC.

by rdlvegas85 on Jan 9, 2012 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Tony G

did sign a new contract, i didnt realize. Sorry for bringing up old shit and reminding people of good times. TE wont be as BIG of a problem next season with Tony M coming back. We need him back. most teams run 2 TE, this year we had 0.

Go luck yourself.

by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 9, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

We're better if we can keep Mo's healthy

unfortunatley his health was a knock in college.

Uhhh...I hate looking at the 1983 Draft and seeing 2 HOF'ers picked after our washed up QB pick.

by Ren on Jan 9, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd LOVVVE to see Peyton - insert Joe Montana here

I just don’t see it happening. Wrecked regardless.

Uhhh...I hate looking at the 1983 Draft and seeing 2 HOF'ers picked after our washed up QB pick.

by Ren on Jan 9, 2012 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

One note...

Alex Smith is a free agent. They could easily make the change at QB without Manning having to “push” him out.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Jan 9, 2012 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

Atlanta Matt Ryan Solid starter

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ha

by Chiefshero on Jan 9, 2012 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

I know, I know

But you’re not going to convince me that they’re going to give up on him.

by Wait and See on Jan 9, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

would love manning in kc, i actually think if hes healthy, he brings more than montana did at that time.

peyton could take this team to a superbowl, and i really dont think anything outside of staying healthy is all it would take

Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jan 9, 2012 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

You have to spend money to make money

Just think how many fair weather fans would fill (Blank)Arrowhead each Sunday just to see the Chiefs with Peyton Manning play and national coverage and tourism for the city, merchanizing, just dreaming

by antony555 on Jan 10, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

Real sellouts, jersey sales, playoff ticket revenue, all that would add a lot of revenue.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 11, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

If we did get Manning.

We wouldn’t have to worry about getting an OC, since he would run the offense anyway.

by Rocky Mountain Chiefs Fan on Jan 9, 2012 1:53 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

You can pay Peyton the OC's salary too - brilliant!

Uhhh...I hate looking at the 1983 Draft and seeing 2 HOF'ers picked after our washed up QB pick.

by Ren on Jan 9, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Bring in Caldwell also, I say

Caldwell would be a nice fit as OC, although it’d be even better to coax Tom Moore out of retirement.

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by burntorangehorn on Jan 9, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

IF Manning is a FA, which I don't think he will be...

…this will be a very interesting thread to revisit. What would be really amazing would be if the Colts were to release Manning and fire Jim Caldwell. At that point, Manning and Caldwell could almost present themselves as a package deal, with Caldwell in line for an OC or even HC position, and Manning as a challenger for a starting QB job. The really telling statement would be if Caldwell went somewhere and didn’t push for Manning, because that would indicate to me that he, the coach closest to Manning, doesn’t think the star will be able to play at a good level again.

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by burntorangehorn on Jan 9, 2012 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

I agree that the 49ers and Chiefs are most likely to sign Manning.

However, you don’t mention how much cap space each team has. If Manning chooses the 49ers over the Chiefs, he will either take less money or the 49ers will have to create some room.

Good post though. How do you make charts like that?

by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 9, 2012 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks

If you right-click on the page and select “View Page Source…” you can see the source HTML. Basically it’s table class=“zebra”.

I looked for cap numbers briefly but only found older data, besides which I’m not sold on money being a limiting factor as I think he’ll do a reasonable deal if it means he can win.

by Wait and See on Jan 9, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks. That could be useful one day.

Apparently SBNation actually helps you out with that kind of stuff if you actually look. Maybe my next fanpost won’t just be a block of text.

As for the cap, I think you’re right for the most part. He would likely play for the 49ers over the Seahawks even if the Seahawks offered a bit more. But when it’s fairly close, like the Chiefs and 49ers, I would say an extra million dollars could push him our way.

by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 9, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

and to think I make the Draft Big Board charts by hand :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 9, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree

If Manning is healthy, KC has to do everything in it’s power to bring him in. San Fran will definitely be a contender for his services as well.

All that being said, if the Chiefs sign him they’re overwhelming favorites to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl provided health isn’t an issue.

We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.

by Flowers24 on Jan 9, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

Don't Forget

That just like you said, Manning will want to go to a team that could possibly compete for a super bowl within the next 3-5 final years of his amazing career. While we all know how much he loves the Colts, keeping in mind how competitive the guy is, and all the doubt surrounding him staying there, whats to say he doesent ask for his release? And yes, I totally agree, moneywise, theres no way such a needy team invests so much into one position.

Relentless.... Just like the Honey badger....

by Undaunted_Fish on Jan 9, 2012 4:56 PM CST reply actions  

Your forgetting about Washington as well

Maybe not the best situation but money has never been an issue for that team unlike the cough cough Chiefs. They’re dysfunctional but their D is solid. Manning has shown he doesnt need too much offensive help to be great. Don’t think it’ll happen but just a thought

by drew.bouchard on Jan 9, 2012 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

I was going to include them as a contender but I thought there were too many negatives.

Pros: Mike Shanahan is far and away the most appealing element of that team. Two-time Super Bowl winning HC who can plug any RB into his system and get 1,000 yards out of him. Also was the one who eventually won two Super Bowls with Elway at the end of his career. They obviously don’t have a starting QB or starter-in-waiting.

Cons: Their leading receivers are Gaffney and Moss, both of whom are over 30. The owner’s impatience causes the franchise to be unstable. The defense ended the year 21st in points allowed, so it’s hard to believe they’re elite. The NFC East was considered the hardest division in football just a few years ago and it’s easy to see why: the Redskins’ opponents all have above average QBs (Vick, Romo and Eli Manning). Speaking of Eli, I don’t think the brothers Manning want to compete to get to the playoffs. Finally, I still don’t believe money will motivate Manning at this point in his career, not even Snyder-level cash.

by Wait and See on Jan 9, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPN guys said

RG3 would maybe go to washington

by antony555 on Jan 10, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I am 100% certain Washington will come out of this offseason with a new 'high-end' QB

It’ll probably be RG3 or Peyton. The opportunity is there, and Snyder won’t let it pass him by.

He’ll spend or trade whatever is necessary.

by kcsno56 on Jan 11, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah he will spend but manning won't go to the skins

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Jan 11, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

KURT WARNER:

“no disrespect to Kevin Kolb, but if you have the chance to get a Peyton Manning you go get him”….
Same goes for KC….i dont give a shit what QB we have on our roster if there is a “chance” you investigate it…he INSTANTLY makes ANY team better if he is healthy

Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!

by KCinAZ on Jan 9, 2012 6:59 PM CST reply actions  

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees would like a word with you
he INSTANTLY makes ANY team better

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

CHIEFS WILL!

by NJChieffan16 on Jan 9, 2012 8:14 PM CST reply actions  

reply fail...

Meant for KCinAZ

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

CHIEFS WILL!

by NJChieffan16 on Jan 9, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

This is how you make a post.

The content was recycled and over used but the execution was amazing! Great post.

by Lucasjr5 on Jan 10, 2012 1:54 AM CST reply actions  

not sure any "content" here is from the recycling bin ... other than the question of "where does Manning go?" itself

but you’re right: this is indeed how a post should be done … if only

/sigh

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by upamtn on Jan 10, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Where Will Free Agent Peyton Manning Sign?

He’ll sign the clipboard at his orthopedic surgeon’s receptionist desk.

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 10, 2012 5:57 AM CST reply actions  

zing!

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by upamtn on Jan 10, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I personally think Peyton Manning is done with football...Medically speaking.

As a Chiefs fan, if we had a medically cleared Manning…We could absolutely destroy the AFC-West!!! If he is cleared, I hope Clark Hunt gets aggressive in acquiring him. With him as a Chief, we would only be a few lineman away from being completely dominate.

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Clark Hunt & Pioli, get some KING KONG BALLS and move up to draft a QB in the 1st RD of the 2012 NFL Draft: RG3 or Luck.

by ChiefsatWar on Jan 10, 2012 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

I agree

He should retire, medically cleared or not. Could be one whip-lash sack away from some REAL serious issues.

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by ArrowSpread on Jan 10, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Peyton ain't going anywhere

He wants to stay there and they want him to finish there. Plus he’s re-structered his contract a couple times I think before so I see him doing it again.

by KCinIL on Jan 10, 2012 5:38 PM CST reply actions  

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