Why hasn't KC developed a drafted QB? (Redux II)

Played after back-up Leinart went down, started his next game.

Palko got benched for Orton

and said he was the future and never played him

I don’t understand why Stanzi never played either.

One very unusual case does not mean this exact thing should be common occurrence. And it certainly should not be the expected result from starting a 5th rounder. Otherwise, everyone would be pinning the fate of their franchises on 5th round QB’s all over the league. There’s a reason you don’t see that.

Second, it took two starters ahead of Yates going out with injuries before he got the nod. It’s not like the Texans went out on some limb that the Chiefs won’t touch. Barring injuries to Schaub and then Leinert – Yates never sees the light of day this year.

I’m as curious as anybody to see how Stanzi can do with the keys to the big boy car. But c’mon nei – try to get some kind of perspective. Any kind. At all.

So, why didn’t Kansas City even attempt to develop Ricky Stanzi?

Don’t you think that is kinda what they are doing right now? Developing..?

Houston absolutely does not want to be playing Yates. You are approaching it as if this was their choice. If Schaub and/or Leinart stays healthy, Yates has the exact same year as Stanzi.

Secondly, I don’t care if it was by 8 votes, how could you guys let Romney win when he pretty much wrote off the state for the whole campaign.

I’m throwing all my support to Rick Santorum..

;D

Will get his chance next season…And I think Palko may be working at jack in the box next season too….

one thing I think people have to remember about the Texans is that they are a VERY strong AND complete team on both sides of the ball … and have a ton of special players (Foster, Johnson for starters) … they have an amazing OLine

the fact that they have RB’s galore and both CAN and WILL run for 200+ yards/game means the other team HAS to respect that, and that opens it back up for the passing game … enter Schaub who isn’t what we think of as “elite” but it sure looks that way sometimes …

enter Yates, looking damned good … but take away Foster and Yates doesn’t look QUITE so good, as defenses can sit back on the pass more

make sense so far?

not to take anything away from Yates, but that is a COMPLETE team down there … plug n play version

the Chiefs? well, with no Charles and no Moeaki and holes in the OLine, not there yet, sorry! and as gatsby pointed out, maybe Stanzi is indeed BEING developed … is he better than Palko? well, he’s still on the team, so I’d assume so

why didn’t he play? who knows … maybe he just isn’t quite ready yet, maybe the Chiefs figure why push him when not needed? the worst option is that he just isn’t as good as we’d like him to be … time will tell, but one thing for sure: you can’t tell anything based on preseason … by that measure even Palko looked decent

give it the off-season and see what happens next year … for all we know Stanzi MIGHT be our starter, making all the Orton v Cassel talk look hilarious in retrospect … if Stanzi is good enough then yeah, he’ll get his chance, and if not then it doesn’t matter and he shouldn’t be out there anyway

remember too: everyone learns at a different rate … maybe he just needs more time, the game is far more intricate than some people think it is

we’ll see

Just because he didn’t play doesn’t mean we’re not developing him. Haley believed, for whatever reason, that Palko gave us the best chance to win. Whether it was because he overestimated Palko, didn’t think Stanzi knew enough of the offense, or whatever, Haley thought it was the best move. Personally, that was one of my few complaints with Haley, but we need to see the status of our QB’s at the beginning of next year. We drafted Stanzi for a reason.

A good defense
A good running game
A good TE

Texans have all of those, we have the defense.. Charles went down, TonyM went down. Even if Stanzi was on the same level as Yates thus far in their learning curves, Stanzi wouldn’t have lasted IMO

because they are incapable of doing so under their current structure…40+ years of history tells you that the organization is laughably inept at determining what a QB needs to do to be successful…there’s a reason that teams like green bay and indianapolis have a long history of great QB play…because they have obviously committed to the QB position and making it successful…the chiefs, meanwhile, try to half ass it at the most important position, and as a result we’ve gone nearly two decades without a single playoff win.

This was my first attempt at a Fan Post, and I must admit I did it too quickly, too emotionally, and with too little backing data… and as too much of a Stanzi homer. So I edited it a little bit and put some stuff in there that probably should have been there in the first place.

If there is a next time, I’ll try to incorporate some of the things I’ve learned. Thanks again, and GO CHIEFS!

How you can say that “Chiefs organization” can’t develop their own quarterback when the GM, coaches, scouts, etc. have changed hands several times since the Texans came to KC. What Pioli/Haley (Pioli/Crennel now I guess) have or haven’t done and can or cannot do has nothing to do with anyone that came before them. So, what is this underlying problem that keeps completely different people in completely different eras from drafting and developing a quarterback?

Unless you are saying that the Hunt family is telling everyone that they should not draft a quarterback, I just don’t see what your point is.

I definitely want to see this team draft and develop a franchise quarterback. I don’t, however, want to see them reach for a questionable talent in the first couple of rounds this year. IMO it’s give up a ton to trade up and get Luck or RGIII or wait till the later rounds and take a low risk pick on Keenum, Davis, Moore, etc.

The Chiefs definitely have failed to develop their own guy, I just didn’t quite understand what you were trying to get at. I don’t see an underlying factor that is the reason for it, I just think it kinda happened that way.

RAC knows firsthand how many times his D was hung out to dry with shitty QB play. Stanzi is gonna be a good one.

1st team reps does not equal “develop a QB”

I’m actually glad they didn’t toss Stanzi into it this year with the O-line issues and poor protection that’s been the the bench-mark this season.

I think Stanzi has the potential to be a pretty good QB, but to truly develop him, you don’t put him in the thick of things(nfl speed with a leaky O-line) to get his block knocked off — the only thing he would’ve “developed” this year would’ve been happy feet and that would’ve killed his future prospects.

How often do those guys start the season as the #2 QB? Developmental QBs are typically #3s their first season. T. J. Yates, your apparent barometer for Stanzi, started the season as a #3 behind Matt Leinart.

Scout team reps are more valuable than you are crediting them. It gives a rookie an opportunity to get used to the coaching staff and see the caliber of players that are going to be on the field at the pro level. We’ve been excited about the quality of the defense, so how can you say he gained little to nothing going against them on a regular basis?

There is a reason why people talk about 3rd stringers that come in and excel. It’s extremely rare, and you shouldn’t expect it. The fact that Stanzi wasn’t #2 in his first year doesn’t mean the Chiefs definitely don’t value him. Palko should be ahead of him in the offense, as he had time in the system. Stanzi had no time for learning this year. I think you have judged the Chiefs’ plans for him way too early.

That said, no way in HELL I want Stanzi starting at any point during last season. Why? Because our Running Game and O-Line sucked Donkey Balls.

IF we had Charles still active and IF Moeaki was also healthy then MAYBE I would have let Stanzi start (still a dumb idea).

I want Stanzi to be successful, and for that to happen he will NEED a better then average running game AND a better then average O-Line. The moment both of those are in place then and ONLY THEN do I want Stanzi to start.

Thank you for reading my 2 pennies.

I give you Todd Blackledge…

Just because Stanzi is #3 on the depth chart does not mean he is not being developed. I’m not going to pretend I know a lot about him, just what a friend of mine who is a huge Hawkeyes fan told me, which is he will need a few years to sit and learn but can be really good if he’s not pressured into it. He’ll probably struggle at first and throw up some picks but once he calms his nerves he has a ton of potential.

One of the things I like about Stanzi is his ability to come back and win games. All be it some of the games he put his team in a hole, but he never gave up and has a ton of 4th quarter come backs from college. I’d like to see what he can do and I was definitely ready to see Palko benched for him early in the Pitt game but maybe it’s better he wasn’t rushed. Guess we’ll see in time…

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I agree that a lot of good players come out of the NFL draft, good scouting has paid off more than once, hope this is read by a scout or personel person…talent is out there, just gotta dig and look for it.